NAD C658 BluOS Streaming DAC with DIRAC and MQA

The NAD C658 is about anything you need, save a power amp and speakers. It’s a pre-amp, MQA DAC, streamer and even room correction.
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[@vitordomingues5837]

You own the "art of simplicity" in your speech, where the layman becomes a "teacher", with your's words. Thank you Sir.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

🙏🏻

[@stevenmoore1443]

I've watched this video twice, and I have one on order right now! Thanks for the thorough and clear review!

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Glad it was helpful!

[@kclee1]

Hi, after 2 years, what's your verdict on this C658, assuming that you did purchase it?

[@stevenmoore1443]

@@kclee1 It was only a year ago, but I did purchase it, and I love it. I use it with the NAD C 268 power amp feeding Klipsch Forte IV, and I am really happy with the results. If you are looking for a pure streamer and don't need the pre-amp, my father-in-law just got the Bluesound NODE (which is another NAD company) and it sounds really great on his system for a lot less money.

[@stevenmoore1443]

Also, I finally ran the free room correction from Dirac and it made a huge difference for the better. The NODE doesn't come with that.

[@kclee1]

@@stevenmoore1443 Thank you for your reply.

[@gerdputtiewalker201]

I was also in doubt about an all in one solution. This NAD was reviewed in What Hifi and, apart from the build quality, ticked all the right boxes for me. This review convinced me to go for it. Thanks Hans for this video and keep up the good work!

[@kclee1]

Hi, after 2 years, what's your verdict on this C658, assuming that you did purchase it?

[@gerdputtiewalker201]

@@kclee1 I'm happy with this purchase. Cannot compare with other solutions.

[@kclee1]

@@gerdputtiewalker201 Thank you for your reply.

[@korbindallas6727]

Great review. Plus like others, good timing for my own personal situation. I just have to decide which path to take; powered speakers with a streamer like the C658 or use with an amp and passive speakers. You answered all of the questions I had. Things like ease of use, connectivity, control, Roon endpoint, and sound quality. I also liked the way you provided where the NAD fits in among other like or similar devices. Thumbs up!

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Thank you so much

[@ceescosijn5656]

Hi Hans. I use the NAD C658 in combination with the Dynaudio active speakers Focus 200 XD. Superb sound, so i agree fully with your conclusions concerning the NAD. Thanks for reviewing this one.

[@ceddy1031]

Hi Cosijin, since you bought the C658 I do have a question. I have the Cambridge CXN V2 but the streamer will not do MQA. I might sell it and get the C658, I know this unit will do full hardware decode for MQA. Can you just use the RCA or Coaxial Digital line out from the C658 connected to the amplifier input for the full MQA decode? I ask cause there are many DAC will only get your MQA with usb connection I just hope this is not the case. Thanks

[@UKTonyMagill]

I'm thinking of buying the C658 to use with my Dynaudio Xeo 6 actives, so I'm glad they work well with your Focus 200's. Does the Dirac make a lot of difference?

[@kclee1]

Hi, after 2 years, what's your verdict on this C658?

[@ceescosijn5656]

@@kclee1 i update to the NAD M 33. But at the end i used the 658 in combination with the 298 and that sounds really well.

[@kclee1]

@@ceescosijn5656 Oh so you have two NADs at home? The M 33 not in use?

[@Johnd3s]

Many thanks Frank for this very good review, this NAD was/is top of my purchase list along with the C268 to partner it.

[@stephencosta6814]

It's on my top list also it really does so much a complete solution

[@daveg56]

Great timing of this review Hans as I'm considering purchasing a streaming DAC. Options at this stage are this, Auralic Altair G1 and Brooklyn Bridge. Thanks for your reviews, always informative.

[@Mattiu75]

I'm in your very same situation, other than I am trying to decide between the Altair G1 and the X45 from Cocktail Audio. Have you considered the X45 as well?

[@daveg56]

No haven't see that one... yet.

[@klewja]

If you can save for it maybe look at the Aurali Vega G2 and if you can stretch look at the dCS Bartok.

[@hushpuppykl]

daveg56 ... the Mytek BB is really nice. Lush sounding.

[@kclee1]

Hi, after 2 years, what's your verdict on this C658, assuming that you did purchase it?

[@ryanburr8419]

Excellent review as always Hans. I've had my eye on the C658 for a while and as there are no local dealers reviews like yours are very helpful. I'm trying to make up my mind between this and the Minidsp SHD. Or perhaps going more discrete with streamer such as the Bluesound Node 2i -> Minidsp SHD studio -> DAC with volume control (perhaps a Topping d90 - please review it if you can). It's very difficult when you can't hear for yourself to know what you'd be losing or gaining.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I understand your problem but I have the same kind of problem when asked for such advise since I don't know you nor your listening habits, demands and so on. Apart from that I don't know the SHD Studio nor the Topping D90 from hands on experience. Sorry.

[@ryanburr8419]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel I understand Hans, audio is personal so I wasn't expecting definitive opinion. But I think you are acquainted with with MiniDSP SHD Studio since you did review it. :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKPCoKR8bs-VY5o

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I was mixing up the SHD Studio with the one with DAC's. I love the SHD. Studio, I use ti myself, but that's combined with a more expensive DAC and a far more expensive streamer. It's all down to money. IF you want BluOS, MQA, DIRAC and a proper DAC below € 2000, the C658 might be your choice sound wise and it's easier to handle than all separate components....

[@noga8974]

The more expensive shd (non studio) version is another option

[@stephen9463]

Did you ever choose a setup Ryan? I too wondered about the mini dsp shd vs this c658. Looks like he uses the mini for room correction?

[@arnarn4112]

Thank you for this. I can’t give enough upvotes!! Just the kind of in-depth review that I want to see regarding a product that I’m thinking about getting.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@skyandground178]

This is a great review, again. Your reviews help me to make me a good picture of the hifi quipment. Thank you for this. I want to upgrade my hifi system so that it can stream from Amazon in the best possible quality. My old system was Cambride Audio Azure 851A, Marantz NA 8005 and KRF R900. The idea is to substitute the NA 8005 and the 851A by NAD C658 and C298.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Good luck!

[@skyandground178]

And this is what I did. The combination of NAD C658 and C298 is fantastic. It's a great streamer and DAC and in addition to this the C298 ist fantastic, too. I am enjoying the music!

[@bynekm]

Excellent review. Thank you so much!

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@edshipe2555]

Thanks for the review Hans. I have the Buchardt A500s with streaming Plantun hub. So far it's a pretty convenient combo streaming music mostly from Tidel sounds fine. However it doesn't do MQA which is part of my Tidel package. Also you must use and IPHONE to use the app and room correction. Call be biased but this is an Android house and I don't want to buy a used IPhone just to use with the hub. I know I'll have to use balanced cables between the C658 and A500s but am still considering doing so.

[@StanleyBeamish69]

Did the NAD work well with the A500? Thinking of doing exactly the same thing.

[@ericc.3524]

The best review I've watched. Thank you, Mr. Beekhuyzen!

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Wow, thanks!

[@larsv6144]

Hi Hans, since you have tested both the C658 and the MiniDSP Studio, which one do you consider the better SQ option and customer friendlier? I currently have a Musical Fidelity M5si, Topping E30 dac and Bluesound Node 2i (Tidal HIFI MQA) and Quad Z2 speakers. However, I am very interested in Dirac and like to keep using my Tidal Hifi account. I know with the MiniDSP option I will not be able to use MQA. So the C658 will offer an "all in one box" solution that I would like, however will the sound quality of the MiniDSP be significantly/noticeably better in my setup? I do have a class D XTZ Edge I can use or purchase the NAD C298 purifi amp that I am testing right now. If you would opt for the MiniDSP solution in my setup, would you choose the Studio with external DAC or the SHD version with internal DAC?

[@shawnsturgeon5152]

Also interested in hearing Hans Thought on this! I have the C658 but it has no digital out that would give me the option of trying different dacs! For this reason i would like to try the SHD Studio and an extenal dac. But i would like to be sure the streamer and dsp section of the SHD is of better SQ then the C658. Thanks

[@ProjectOverseer]

Excellent review, Hans 👍

[@reclermo]

If you don't take into consideration the amp function of the M10, is it worth the extra money over the C658? Is the DAC different/superior on the M10? Trying to decide between both units as I already have a Prima Luna amp.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

That's comparing pears and apples. I evaluated the M10 over its internal amp where the C658 was reviewed over the Marantz K Lite and Audio Note Soro SE. And then the C658 wins. But it brings you more and larger 'boxes'.

[@patrickctleung8555]

Thank you Hans. Your review is most informative and useful as usual. I am seriously considering buying the NAD C298 and the C658 as I will need to exit some components in a stereo system which currently has a Chord Hugo DAC and Focal Aria 936 speakers in the audio chain. However I am not sure whether the DAC inside the C658 will be able to deliver the level of sonic refinement of the Hugo. Please comment. Thank you. Kind regards.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

It is very difficult to say that since they have different characters. I would rate them in the same class though.

[@patrickctleung8555]

Thank you very much Hans.

[@edmundgil6008]

Thsnk you Hans!! Wishing you good health & joy! Looking for a streaming multi use integrated “one box” solution. (I’m getting old I guess) just so much easier. My first amp was an original NAD 3020…. This looks like my new multi use solution’

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Go for it

[@snowpuppy77]

I have a vintage NAD 218 THX 225 wpc amp that will drive a pair of Magnepans with a sub. Need a preamp and this one is on my short list. Would normally use a more conventional type preamp but this digital C658 is tempting especially with your recommendation which I trust.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Go for it!

[@hlind1734]

Hi Hans, Very nice review. I'm confused about the Roon endpoint functionalilty. I'm currently using the NAD C388 with BluOS upgrade, which works fine with Roon, but the c658 is not listed on Roons web site ?. I'm considering the c658 due to Dirac. My c388 sounds great but is struggling with handling bass in my room. Thx.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I use the C658 for surround but also use it from time to time as Roon endpoint. It works like a charm and it is certified by Roon.

[@radiomuzika2501]

Superb review Hans, well done, very well. Please reply my question: can I directly connect USB/hard drive to play WAV formats without using smart phone, tablet or comp?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

You can play music from a USB drive but you do need a smartphone, tables or computer as a 'remote control'. There need not be music on the latter three. It's just for selecting music from the USB drive.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

BTW, you'll be hard pressed to find a digital player that doesn't use a smartphone or tablet as remote.

[@radiomuzika2501]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you very much, you are really polite, helpful and professional.

[@TheDeviant72]

Great review , im stuck between NAD C658 hooked into my older C350 amp or ditch the c350/c658 altogether and go for the M10

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Feel the force, young Deviant72. Force You feel.

[@TheDeviant72]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel M10 it is then :)

[@larsv6144]

Hans, is this a better option than the MiniDSP Studio (+ a good DAC) you reviewed before? BluOS is definitely better than Volumio I believe. Since you have tested them both, I would like your opinion.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I can't say what is the best choice for you. Please watch the reviews and judge for yourself.

[@morespinach9832]

Sound wise this one is better, but the connectivity of C 658 is superb.

[@nielsfranck4750]

Hi Hans, loved your review. I only have one small question: Is it possible to assign radio stations or playlists from eg. Spotify to the buttons 0-9 on the remote?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

It can store radio stations. If it can be uses for the streaming functions, I’m not sure. You find the manual at nadelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/C658_dut_OM_v02.pdf

[@jespergth9437]

Hi Hans..thanks for the video..great work as always..but in NAD`s description it says ESS Sabre Dac...and not Burr Brown..??

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

That already was mentioned below and my answer remains that I could only find two Burr Brown’s

[@jespergth9437]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Ohh I am so sorry...I did not read all the comments on you're video..stupid me..

[@trannel73]

Hello Hans. Thanks for your great video. Do you think this DAC is a good addition to my NAD T778? Several times I find the sound quality of my AVR not 100%. I plugged in a high quality CD player and feel there’s a huge different when it comes to high-res files. Do you think I could get more out of Spotify/Tidal and high-res files on my file system?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Skip Spotify, for the rest it probably will bring improvement.

[@vaaelx4357]

Hi, Very good review. It is only one thing I wonder about. Can you use Dirac live on the subs too? (2+1 or 2+2) I can't find any information about it. I want to buy NAD c658 or Minidsp shd. I'm not sure which to buy

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

As far as I know DIRAC does use the sub-outs as one output. I think that's the same with the MiniDSP..

[@johngeloso6224]

Thanks for the great review, as well as the review on the Denafrips Pontus ii. I’m currently considering one of these external DACs for my Linn Majik DSM. From purely a sound perspective, i.e. soundstage, deep base, crisp highs and smooth mids, which of these 2 DACs, perform better.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Please watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6rOnK2uitingpY

[@RoelandCSchaart]

Hans do you think it is worth upgrading from Nad C510 to the C658? Thanks for your great videos!

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I have no way of telling. I don't know the C510, I don't know your environment and I don't know you. You yourself has to decide. Feel the force, young Roeland. Feel the force.

[@rdh67dh]

Awesome review. I have a NAD C658 and C268 bought by your review. Should a M22 or C275BEE make a big difference for my setup? B&W matrix 805 and REL T9i connected? Thanks Hans.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I have not reviewed the M22 so I can't say. And even if I had, it's virtually impossible to predict your situation....

[@rdh67dh]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel thank you. Also thank you for your awesome channel! Zo niet Nederlands om aan te geven dat iemand een geweldig kanaal heeft opgebouwd😉 Veel mensen zijn je dankbaar,waaronder ik! Fijn weekend.

[@mokyingleung]

Great video. Should I upgrade my Node 2i to Nad C658?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

How would I know?

[@kosdan]

Hi Hans, Does the volume control in the app control the volume in the digital domain or in the analog domain (in the preamp section)? Thanks you for such comprehensive reviews.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I can't remember although I expect it to be digital. But no worries, watch this video.

[@wvansluisveld3011]

My c390dd is on its last legs and looking for a replacement. Currently on the fence between this device + c298 or the c399. This video has been very helpful for either, as it seems to be largely the same device but then with power amps integrated vs separates.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

If you use good interconnects a separate power amp can be a better solution. Whether you need it is something I can’t say.

[@wvansluisveld3011]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thanks for your response. I've been satisfied with the c399dd so I probably don't need it. However, I do understand my Audio Physic Tempo 25's are quite power hungry and I may get some further improvement out of it.

[@anmic3590]

Hi! Thank you for the review! I was wondering if I should go with the this one or the Eversolo dmp-a8. I’m strictly interested in the best streaming sound using tidal in my stereo system. Still looking for the perfect combo/solution. I have the focal aria 948, svs sb-1000 pro, preamp/ amp Pioneer c73/m73 class a/b from the 90s. Thank you so much!

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I have not yet reviewed the amp-a8 so I can't say. But apart from that: I don't do personal advise. It just takes too much time.

[@anmic3590]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you so much!

[@JMN_ALC]

Thank you for another thorough review. I would appreciate your opinion on this unit versus other streaming solutions you have reviewed regarding Tidal SQ e.g. Node 2i, M10, CXN v2, Edge NQ, Streambox S2 Ultra, Zen MK3, Primo, DigiOne Signature, WXC-50.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Those I have reviewed can be watched and will tell you my opinion. If not, I can't help you.

[@Malamba4231]

Thank you, Hans. I understand your position about not publishing a negative review, but the issue for the viewers is, if we don’t see a review from you for a particular product, it could mean you didn’t like it, or only that you didn’t come across it yet. Is there a simple way for us to distinguish those two possibilities?

[@MarcelH666]

Why should the opinion of 1 man be that important if it concerns your ears? User reviews are way more valuable.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

No, there isn't. But if you would publish a list of equipment I don't like, there would be no or little motivation and that would not be fair either. BTW, up till now I only rejected one product (and, no, I am not going to mention it).

[@Malamba4231]

Zes Zes Zes It doesn’t really, but you and I are evidently both watching his channel. His opinion must mean something, or why are we spending the time?

[@Malamba4231]

The Hans Beekhuyzen Channel: understood. Thanks for responding.

[@sherpadelgatos]

great video and very promising product. thank u

[@raydionangy]

Hi Hans. Thank you for your review. I currently own a pair of Buchardt A500 active speakers and was wondering if the NAD C658 would make a good partnering device for them. I am currently reasonably happy with the sonic performance of the speakers but would like to find a more stable preamp than the supplied Platin hub.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I don’t know your speakers so I really can’t say. Sorry.

[@raydionangy]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thanks anyway for the prompt reply. Perhaps Buchardt audio will send you a set for review one day, I'd be most interested in your opinion of them.

[@JayGreezy]

How have I not heard more about this streamer? Whats the catch? It does EVERYTHING the Cambridge CXN v2 does AND everything it doesn't. It seems like the perfect streamer, can you stream Amazon Music UHD and spotify natively in Hi-res? OR do you have to use chromecast like in the Cambridge and lose all quality of sound? There has to be a downside here, I don't want to by pessimistic but this seems perfect.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

It is a very nice streamer! And it does Amazon Music UHD. If Spotify HiRes will be supported we'll only know when Spotify comes to the market with HiRes.

[@supermrevo]

Thank you for the review! Does it sound significantly better than the Bluesound Node 2? I have Node 2 and I’m thinking about upgrading?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

No, it doesn't

[@supermrevo]

The Hans Beekhuyzen Channel thanks! I can save some money then!

[@baileywhippet]

It's way better than the Node 2 I just replaced with it. Add Dirac and it's a game changer.

[@stephen9463]

Would you be able to use this c658 in place of the minidsp shd studio in your system setup #1 being fed by the auralic for any technical advantages in regard to MQA, sample rate or otherwise? Have you done this comparison within your setup? If yes what sounded better to your ears in your setup? Or is this not possible? Sorry for the complicated questions. I appreciate your work. Thank you.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I use the MiniDSP as digital in/digital out Dirac processor only, not as a streamer. The NAD does not have a digital output. You can use it if you connect the analog outputs directly in the amp.

[@gibgun]

Thanks for the great content as always. How does this compare to the Mytek BB?

[@SPLATON_89_64]

HI Hans I am your fan from Hong Kong, can you give me advice. I already have a good gaming PC , great usb DAC and great active speaker. Should I buy a usb clearer like ifi micro iusb for my PC or just buy a music/network player like sotm /innuos product? thank you!

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Sorry, can't do personal advice.

[@MarcelH666]

Keep it to your pc if that's your thing (it is mine ;-) You can buy some stuff made by Elfidelity (usb filter, pci filter), a Schiit Wyrd (usb decrapifier). If your speakers accept a digital signal you could even lose the dac and purchase a Schiit Eitr (usb->spdif). Good luck and if you have any more questions: just ask.

[@mrronenza]

Thanks for a great review.

[@rsg2099]

Within the NAD website, it is mentioned that DSD is converted using BluOS desktop app. This detail is not mentioned in your video but in case you tested this type of files, is there an audible diference?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Is there an audible difference with what?

[@ashlamshaan7542]

Hi Hans thank you for the great detail review. I have a question can I play dsf file stored in my external hdd via c658's USB?? Does the c658 has inbuilt player to play dsf, dsf, hi res flac?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

It can't play DSF files directly but it is possible via the BluOS app. It can play PCM up to 192/24.

[@ashlamshaan7542]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel thank you so much for the info

[@Shoaibexpert]

Great review. I have a DAC/Preamp and need a DIRAC solution without buying HW, of it's possible, that works with Roon. If not possible, any alternative room correction that does Time domain adjustments? Thanks

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

That's like asking for a Ferrari that can also do off roading😁. The only way to use MQA and room correction is when the room correction is in the amplifier hardware, like with the NAD Master M10.

[@rdh67dh]

Hans, I have the following setup. NAD C658/C268,REL T9i,B&W 804s. Will replacing my C268 by two van Meedevort PA-333 amps make a big difference? Wil these amps match in my setup?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I really can't tell. I don't have hands-on experience with the Van Meedevoort amps, I don't know your preferences nor your listening environment.

[@rdh67dh]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel already switched to a M32.

[@RB-mp2gs]

Outstanding review Sir! Thank you.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Glad you liked it!

[@jayjames1336]

Hi Hans I want to add a streamer to my music fidelity m3 amp and m6 cd, I wondering if I get a better result adding the Nad 658( I don’t need a pre amp) or connecting a node 2 and either using its dac or the music fidelity dac. The nad has no digital out so If I consider that I hope id be getting an improvement over the music fidelity dac. Otherwise I’d rather save the grand and put it to something else in the system .Hard one to answer without listening but any thoughts appreciated. I did read some of the questions below, so I guess in your experience on your system was there much difference in streaming sound between the node2 and the nad

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I can't hel you directly but you find all the network players I have reviewed here: kzbin.info/aero/PLMbsmejHnP8HQVuvO_xSXAPmV1CVswsvi

[@kaushikbanerjee1494]

Very informative and to the point !

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Glad you liked it

[@MrChillywilly7]

Hi Hans, you reviewed the Boston acoustics m 350 years ago.. I've got them hooked up to a receiver, but I'm looking for a good integrated amplifier for 2 channel music... In the 1000 to 2000 range.. Have any suggestions? Great content as always! Greetings from another Dutch man)

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I can only point to my reviews but I have reviewed very little amps. Sorry 😐

[@cablebrain9691]

Wow.....350 years ago! I think you had better re-foam those woofers surrounds first.

[@MrPhilgos]

@@cablebrain9691 Tx for the smile!

[@ryanburr8419]

I bought the NAD C658 and I have to say that I am disappointed. BlueOS is easy to use and features such as DIRAC and home theatre bypass are very welcome. Unfortunately however, my father, an audiophile guest and I all agreed that the sound quality of the NAD is poor for its price. It does not measure up well to the discontinued Aurelic Aries Mini. The Aries Mini came out in 2016 for a retail price of $699 USD, so it is quite a fair comparison because the Aries Mini is much older and considerably cheaper than the NAD. While the NAD is not harsh, it's lack of audio resolution is very noticeable. Vocalists lack the individual timbrel characteristics that I expect to hear. Instead one vocalist tends to sound very much like the next. Another issue is the sounds of drums which seem to die almost instantly: like they are being playing in anechoic chamber. The Aries Mini does not suffer from either of these faults. If anything I find the Aries too excitable but it can be tamed by selecting the smooth filter in the settings menu. Altogether the NAD doesn't sound bad but just unsatisfying. I feel that it under-performs audibly for its price.

[@CedricRachmad]

which power amp did you use?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

The power amp of my Audio Note Soro SE.

[@CedricRachmad]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel thanks, but I was wondering about Ryan Burr's amp :) since his experience is not that great.

[@kclee1]

Hi, after 2 years, what's your verdict on this C658, is it still the same?

[@aussie8114]

Would this be a better quality compared to the blue sound node? As a transport only and as a transport with DAC.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

It’s better in both cases.

[@richlarson3463]

Thank You for the Review

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

My pleasure

[@theHerathrig]

Lets say your using receiver with audyssey multeq xt32 and you want to use the c658 dirac, do you turn off your receivers audyssey and let the c658 dirac take over? or can both the audyssey and diract exist?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I don't know the Audyssey from hands on experience but I think you better only use Dirac.

[@57Canham]

Hi Hans! Will you be reviewing the Schiit Modi 3 DAC? I’m on a very tight budget and I’ve heard the Modi 3 is a very good budget DAC. Thank you for a very instructive channel!

[@joshbraun7152]

Can you just connect your computer to the 658 via USB for music playback?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

No, you can't. You have to connect over the network, either wired or WIFI.

[@hfuffvnjvnijd8989]

leuke channel!! very informative

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

🙏

[@klewja]

Hans have you had a chance to listen to the dCS Bartok. It is pretty incredible.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I have heard heard shows, not under controlled conditions like in my setup 1

[@klewja]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel I hope that you get to have one in for review. I replaced the Auralic Aries G2 and Chord Hugo TT2 with one and am very impressed with the improvement in SQ in my speaker system (magico S1MKII, with a hegel H360 and all transparent power conditioning and cabling) and my headphone setup with the Abyss AB-1266 Phi TC. I have tested it with the auralic as well and found minimal to no improvement over the inbuilt streaming module.

[@morespinach9832]

yes, but that's like 10 times the price. Of course..

[@adamhindle9215]

No digital output though, so using an external DAC isn't possible. No mention of this oversight. A Bluesound Node has coax and toslink digital outputs, so why not the 658?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Because it has a good DAC?

[@adamhindle9215]

No doubt Hans but it would be nice to have that option. I like my Chord dac... ;)

[@martinkammerer9376]

Very good review. I love your speech - simple and direct. I have my eyes on the C6658 too. I think it`s a lovely product that includes a lot of useful features. I would like to match the C658 with my Arcam A19 Amp but also with a blueray player. Can I control the volume and blueray player with my TV control?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I really can’t say

[@davidmcarthur7029]

I would love to own it, but way out of my price range. Could use something cheaper $100 to $300 max range... suggestions? (My system in a small apartment/flat. )

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I am afraid not. Sorry.

[@morespinach9832]

That's too low. Perhaps used, or just a Raspberry Pi.

[@jordenb9469]

Now here is the biggest question. What in your opinion has better sound and features. This Nad 658 or the Minidsp shd? You have tested both as I am in the market for one or the other. Please let me know. I take your word above others online. Thank you.

[@davida8682]

Thank you Hans for yet another great review. Without Dirac, I found the C658 to be very harsh, and overall, unpleasant to listen to. I didn't want to rely on Dirac to enjoy the music. Functionally though, it was fantastic. I switched to the Elac Audio Alchemy preamp following your review of it, which I find much more enjoyable, albeit in a higher price.l range. Thanks again for your excellent videos.

[@gabriel_8801]

Same question here. Following your videos about dedicated streamer I do hesitate between the MiniDSP SHD and the NAD C 658. Besides functions and practicability which one did you found the most enjoyable to listen to ?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

That's comparing pears and apples. I evaluated the M10 over its internal amp where the C658 was reviewed over the Marantz K Lite and Audio Note Soro SE. And then the C658 wins. But it brings you more and larger 'boxes'.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I would never describe the C658 as harsh, it's a bit brighter than the Elac Alchemy. The C658 can sound harsh if you use Dirac and us for instance 20 nodes to correct the frequency curve.

[@davida8682]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you, "bright" is probably the better description. Probably accentuated by my ribbon tranducers...

[@HungryEatNow]

do you encounter software issues? Able to reconfigure Dirac filter

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

If I had encountered software issues I would have reported them.

[@HungryEatNow]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel just to check specifically the sub out as I have read users having popping distortion issue

[@pliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

Great review thanks ! Could you recommend a good cd player that will outplay this streamer ?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I have not reviewed cd-players for years.

[@jungfraulicheukulele8682]

I have seperate pre and power amps - can I connect the C658 to my pre amp? I cannot connect anything else but the pre amp to my power amp.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Yes, you can. Actually it often sounds better than connecting it directly to the power amp.

[@jungfraulicheukulele8682]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you very much for the reponse, Hans!

[@lahlberg1838]

Hej Hans. On the extension card that is shown on the video there is a HDMI Out. If you connect that to a TV will it then be able to show a CD cover picture and what the CD contains when playing a CD from a NAS or laptop over the Network? Will it show whats on a HDD inkl. CD cover if one being connected? I'm looking for a device that manages that but they are hard to find.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Sorry but there is no HDMI out on the C658.🥴

[@lahlberg1838]

OK Hans but then I do not understand these words in the english manual "A HDMI OUT: Connect to corresponding HDMI port of HDTV, projector with HDMI input or TV that supports HDMI CEC/ARC." What do they then mean?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Sorry, my fault. Trying to answer too quickly. I don't know if the extension card will show the music playing. But my review sample came without the HDMI expansion card.

[@lahlberg1838]

Ok Hans, you are still the best!

[@hclandscapes]

Do you have any news on the new NAD C399?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

No. Sorry

[@hurkamur1]

This thing looks awesome. How is the phono stage though?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I didn’t try, I’m no vinyl user. Sorry.

[@sebastianw0611]

I have the unit and the phono stage sounds fantastic. And you can set it to analog mode which means that the phono signal will not be converted to digital.

[@victormaratovich7412]

@@sebastianw0611 you lose the function of the room correction in choosing analog. Have you tried it both ways and is there any appreciative difference either way? Just bought my c658 haven't set it up yet... Thanks

[@crossocean5663]

Not sure. Would it be a good fit for the ATC SCM50ASLT?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I can’t say. I have no hands on experience with the ATC’s

[@crossocean5663]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel dank je wel Hans. Super channel

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

👍🏼

[@fhaquuu]

Can the xlr and rca output pre outs work at the same time?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Yes, that’s possible

[@fhaquuu]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannelThanks. I would intend to use the rca pre outs direct to subwoofers in that case as it’s true stereo signal value the mono output you reference on the actual sun outs. Much appreciated

[@evansstudios]

You mention it having Burr Brown DACs, but NAD's specs say Sabre

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

I only saw two Burr Browns.....

[@catified2081]

@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel just read what hifi review. Said saber chip.

[@IsaacChew]

hifi noob 2018 I wonder if it could be that the burr browns are used for the subwoofer outputs. And Sabre for the main 2 channel conversion. Just a wild guess.

[@HenrikG1963]

What I miss is, output like tape monitor.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

On a digital pre-amp???

[@rowlandjw]

For all the features on this dac interesting there in no USB class 1 or 2 input, only one for a Hdd.

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

since it is a streamer, you can play all music from all your computers in your netwerk. So what is the use of a USB input?

[@rowlandjw]

I get it won’t be a deal breaker for most. But wanting to plug a laptop or tablet into a dac is not an unusual use case. Cambridge, Mytek, Schitt, minidsp and just about all other streaming dac products carry a usb audio input so it’s interesting to me that NAD has decided not to include on this or indeed on the M range either which in all other respects give you the kitchen sink.

[@IsaacChew]

John Rowland A user of this streamer/dac/preamp is unlikely to attach an external streamer like a laptop or ipad to it. Because a laptop as a streamer would pales in sound quality and function as a streamer.

[@MrCraptakular]

Hi all, had anyone tested this to see if it correctly streams the new Amazon Music HD and Ultra HD content?

[@WhatEver-dx3eu]

@@MrCraptakular Provided you have an appropriate subscription, yes, it will stream all Amazon music content correctly.

[@johnsullivan1307]

Why do you need DIRAC ? What does it sound like out of the box?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

Dirac corrects for acoustical problems of your listening room. It doesn't 'sound' right out of the box, you have to do measurements using the supplied microphone. That sounds complex but is really rather easy. Watch my review of the NAD T758v3 where I fully describe the system: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5upo2yrl8yYopI

[@dengdeng80]

Hi hans..can this device connected to external dac? via usb?

[@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel]

No, it can't.