Otsukaresama~! Very interesting takes on love and values you two! (о´∀`о) What I find interesting the most is discovering that Kaida have more self-esteem than Nagao Σ(゚ω゚) from their personalities or how they present themselves, Nagao seems to be the one with more self-esteem than Kaida but the topic about the hamburg steak made it clearer that it's the opposite. Despite both being a self-axis person, Nagao seems to have little value of the perception of "himself" and would rather change himself than the people around him. It would be very shallow if I just conclude it as his inert kindness but it seems Nagao has a tendency to be self-axis when alone but when surrounded by people or people he's close with he tends to lean on other-axis. Due to probably being unaware that he has low self-esteem, people on his close circle constantly influences and change his perception of "self". He unconsciously adopt to how people in his close circle want him to be and views it as "himself" therefore there are a lot of circumstances where he doesn't assert himself when surrounded by people. Thus the "himself" of that time rejects the perception/opinions of people outside his circle (As someone who easily gets lonely and desire companion, I wonder if it's an unconscious desire to be accepted by others in a group) (´ᵕ `ก).。oO I think that's probably the case of his nonchalant ways. He doesn't care about himself due to his low self-esteem but he also doesn't care about others as a self-axis ๛ก(ー̀ωー́ก) it's an interesting paradox (*´▽`) Meanwhile it's interesting that Kaida have a firmer stand on "himself" and have self-esteem. I think the reason why I thought he has low self-esteem is because he's very sensitive or thoughtful about people's perception of him. But the discussion made me understand that Kaida knows what is "himself" and has clearer perception and belief about it thus he has better understanding on beliefs and opinions that differ from him σ( -ˇ.ˇ-。) I got excited about psychology and philosophy that it became a wall of text but thank you for this interesting collab! There's difference as romanticist and realist at first but once you open the lid, you two have more similar views than we thought (*≧∀≦) Excited for the next ones! I would love to hear about song discussions as well and a love consultation with Genzuki as well (о´∀`о)