Naim Supernait 3 (Vs. Hegel H390, NAD M33 & Kinki Studio EX-M1+)

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Kinki Studio: www.kinki-studio.com/ex-m1-plus
NAD M33 : nadelectronics.com/m33/
Equipment Used in Review : PMC Twenty5.23 speakers, Buchardt S400 Mk 2 Speakers, KEF LS50 Meta Speakers, Hegel H390 Integrated Amplifier, Kinki Studio EX-M1+ Amp, NAD M33 Amp, Innuos Zenith server / streamer, Bluesound Node 2021, Chord Qutest DAC.
TIME CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
0:32 Rationale for review / Power Inlet / Speaker Matching
1:59 Speakers used in test
2:28 Slew Rate
3:18 'Global' Sound Quality
5:42 SQ Comparisons to Hegel H390
9:44 SQ Comparisons to Kinki Studio EX-M1+
11:36 SQ Comparisons to NAD M33
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[@13thnotehifireviews7]

VIDEO CORRECTION and WRITTEN ARTICLE - www.13thnote.net/2022/09/25/naim-supernait-3-a-correction-about-the-nad-m33/ PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING 1) if you like what I do please support me on Patreon, PayPal or KZbin super thanks for ad free videos, private advice, and extra content, and if asking me more of my opinions additional to in videos. 2) please don’t ask me how something compares to another I haven’t reviewed as I don’t know. 3) be nice to everyone and me.

[@ericjensen9091]

I'm glad I found this channel. Excellent descriptions of how products sound. I do want to point out that Stereophile tested the Supernait 3 and found the power ratings to be very conservative. Naim seems to understate nearly all of their amplifier power ratings.

[@johndavidson5075]

First time watcher from Canada and I’m very impressed by your reviewing style. I look forward to more videos.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@user-bq8rq8cv4g]

​@13thnotehifireviews7 - Would you recommend pairing the Naim Supernait 3 amplifier with Kef Reference 3 floor standing speakers? Also, would you recommend listening to Rock 'n Roll music with the above-mentioned pairing?

[@nicolasfieldsoundservices]

Great review! Very educational. Also really enjoy your editing and the integration of performance/recording b-roll while discussing reference tracks. Subscribed!

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks very much Nicolas

[@idlohtrab]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 any idea how the supernait might match up with my cherished Proac D18,s ? I would be using the denifrips ares 2 as a start Dac

[@andreweima1966]

Very interesting video. Thank you! I like your 'slow' presentation and telling interesting facts.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you very much!

[@littlejoeotter]

Excellent video!

[@micha4519]

Cool music at the intro! Thanks for your video 😊

[@mikeuk4130]

Nice, balanced review of competing products in the UK market. Just technical enough, and gets to the important aspects of, and differences between the performances of the amps. Very constructively presented and seemingly without bias, it has also brought out a wealth of helpful, experience-based comments from the viewers. An antidote to certain reviews from the US where everything sounds great.

[@gaetancharbonneau3902]

Fantastic review, thanks Simon!

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks very much Gaetan.

[@marcostefanoboietti6013]

One of the best ampli coinceved🌿

[@MB-uw6eh]

Great review on 4 amps a lot of people would be in the market to buy. Clean, insightful, straightforward, perceptive and no bullshit.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Like it,

[@kjbiz]

Good review once again. Cheers

[@kiahweelee9994]

Great comparison and review.

[@daveturner2484]

Underworld, Yello & Terje as test tracks...you are speaking my language...btw excellent comparative assessment..thank you

[@edwardparish6621]

Awesome review. Thanks!!

[@williamdirks5805]

Very good review, thank you. You make the differences between amplifiers very clear.

[@cpg8000]

This was the most succinct, intelligible, and therefore meaningful commentary on these integrated units I have ever heard to date. Bravo

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you very much 😀

[@andrehb]

Great review, thanks

[@IrenESorius]

Wow Simon,, 🤩! Cheers,, 🍻😎👍‍‍👍‍‍

[@Nick-sk1qp]

Hello Simon, I really liked the comparison aspect of this video, which you provide very good information about pairing with the various amps and speakers. Thank-you

[@timothyfreeseha4056]

Always love your videos. Particularly your choice of components. I think the currency conversion between the US and UK may not be as steep as it has been at times. Still, this Naim is sold closer to 6000 dollars here. I did see one sold for about 5000 dollars. No doubt a great company with many exceptional products, especially if you are in the UK.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you very much. I think I did get that wrong re the US price with exchange rate at the moment.

[@ianorigbo7617]

Now that's what you call a review✌👌

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you.

[@klaymoon1]

Great review. Your video made me interested in Supernait 3. Which is bummer because it's so much more expensive in U.S.

[@ianwilliams5915]

First i must say buy what you want. Your preferences and room layout are more important. I had both the Hegel and Naim supernait and both were excellent (they really were) To me the Naim had a bit of a thump bass and slightly harsh top end (on some tracks). The Hegel was ‘good all round’ but with a slightly thicker mid range. Value wise the Hegel comes out top but not by much. Someone recently did a tare down of the supernait and component cost was £380 GBP. What I don’t like is that Naim seem to just pick a price as the what that deem they want the thing to sell for not what it really costs inc. R&D + profit. - Naim of cause are not the only ones to do this. I now have a Luxman L509x - clarity and subtlety that Naim can only dream of. If someone were to ask me which to get though is none. Get a reasonable system and with your money left over go and travel the world, make some memories with your family. - on my last day I can they say ‘remember when…’ - I will not be talking anything HiFi related.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

To be fair to Naim though they charge what the market bears and economists always say the first rule of economics is to charge the highest price. I doubt that it would cost £380. Most of the component costs is the case - it’s solid aluminium and milled on all sides, so not much change from a grand or two. Then the shipping costs in the supply chain, they went up ten to fifteen fold in the pandemic. Also electricity costs with the Russian situation and energy crisis. I was watching a documentary with a uk chef, whose electricity costs of his restaurant kitchen are going up from £5k to £35k a month. I dread to think what an electronics assembly factory costs. Ultimately though I suspect what Naim can charge is based on their reputation and historical presence with lots of brand loyal people and repeat buying, and if people pay it, as they do, then that’s the correct price. It may mean it’s not in the same market as other types. Not like a Veblen good, but the difference between a hublot and seiko in the eyes of buyers.

[@rmzidann]

Sounds like the Kinki is the winner based on price to performance ratio. Glad to know that. I am getting the Kinki for sure. Used one can be had for 2400 USD.

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

How did this work out for you? Have you had any trouble with the volume or source selectors?

[@garygriffiths2487]

Todd Terje Dont stop the dance remix, that will make the PMC 25's bounce Simon. Epic review. Mama says, "Truth is all that matters Beauty should be deeper than your skin" Kinda sums the Naim up..

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks Gary, I love his stuff . I wish he did another album like ‘it’s album time’ 🔉

[@paulroscelli2545]

Everyone makes mistakes don’t worry about it. Another great review by the way. I love to see you review and LTA amp, specifically may be Z40+ , I’m curious what your ears would hear

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks Paul, I’ll do another article this evening as I’m a bit of a perfectionist and hate making mistakes like that.

[@jasonme3557]

I have a rega Aethos and it 100% analog. Sounds amazing.

[@user-tw8qo5dj8h]

Rega Aethos💓

[@redstarwraith]

Great review. Loved the comparisons. Very useful!

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you very much.

[@Lee31_33]

Hi, thank you for this video useful. Sorry, for my poor english. Just to well understand/confirm. I havec PMC twenty 24i and nait xs + dac naim. I tought to go to supernait 3. But if i well understand, it is not a good idea as the pmc sound is too forward speakers with it and high frequencies are to high from your point of view, correct? According to you which ampli best fits to pmc 24i speakers?

[@Gez492]

As a general rule Naim work very well with Proac I find. Thanks for the comparison very fair and highlighted sonic difference as opposed to concluding this is best or that is better. I agree absolutely that speaker synergy is the key it always has been and always will be in my view.

[@morespinach9832]

Which is why active speakers are hard to beat. Amps paired and tuned to the speaker itself, by the manufacturer.

[@PS987654321PS]

@@morespinach9832 but by buying them active you’ve just made your speakers obsolete in a few years…amps, preamps, dac, has made incredible improvements in the past 5 years. Imagine being stuck with obsolete audio tech 5-10 years from now in otherwise fabulous and expensive speakers…

[@morespinach9832]

@@PS987654321PS not really. I’m enjoying Dynaudio Focus XD 20 after 7 years. Most systems with all that jazz and cables don’t match the SQ.

[@PS987654321PS]

@@morespinach9832 the Focus XD has been updated and will sound better than your old ones. If you had separates or an integrated amp,newer DAC your speakers would still be good. Are you suggesting that audio fidelity hasn’t improved in 7 years?

[@morespinach9832]

@@PS987654321PS no it doesn’t. Focus XD 10 is the new one and is a lessened version. Anyway even if it was, just like other speakers and amps keep getting updated. LS50 now has Meta. Your logic only makes sense in random “audiophile” forums. If I wanted to upgrade to a new version I always have various places to sell my old stuff and buy the latest version.

[@OriginalgEd]

Very nice video. I bought my SN3 for an absolute steal ("opened box") in July 21 to replace my Naim XS MK1. I adore the SN3 with my old Proac Tablette Reference Eight Signature speakers. Compared to the XS, the SN3 has vastly greater low-range heft and amazing mid-range detail. The amp really pulls you into the music, it's quite an amazing bit of kit (and incredibly well build). The other amps also sound like they would make their owners very happy.

[@ryansudding667]

Nice to know. I have an XS2, and SN3 on my shortlist to upgrade

[@scslite5206]

wait till you add a HiCap DR and you'll no doubt be amazed at how much more of the goodness will come out. I was skeptical especially for how much more you'd have to spend. But it is well worth it apart from going separates. Congrats!

[@OriginalgEd]

@@scslite5206 I added a teddy pardo hicap which I got years ago for my XS and I wired that up to the SN3 before I first turned it on. I've got a TP XPS PS on my naim DAC as well.

[@briancampbell7712]

@@scslite5206what is a hicap ?

[@pauln6803]

​@@briancampbell7712An overpriced external add on that powers either a preamp (either separate or integrated amplifier) or the analogue section of certain CD players. It's basically a power supply with a tightly regulated 12v output. The sonic gains are notable improvements in speed dynamics, grip and the overall impression (illusion?) of a more powerful amplifier. Other options are Teddy Pardo, Avondale and Custom Hifi Cables, which are cheaper, do exactly the same job (in fact they were all doing their own more modern and efficient regulation before Naim introduced "DR"), usually for less money.

[@paulomanique2786]

Great review and great timing for me. Interesting though you didn't use the MA Gold 100. I recently bought a pair and am now on the road for an integrated amp to match it. Any advice based on your experience. It seems the S3 would be to much of a good thing on the treble region. Thank you

[@pierremartin9048]

Well done

[@David-mi3il]

Fantastic as always

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks David 🙏😀

[@juhanisammalkangas9600]

Interesting review! I have Supernait 3 & Naim NDX2 streamer/DAC with PMC 23.i combo that I chose after long listening process. Few weeks ago my DIN port broke up on NDX2 streamer and I had to switch to RCA-connection and I immediately noticed that sound quality was not as good and one of the issues being a bit harsh treble with my PMC's. So my question is that have you had a chance to try these with DIN-connection or just RCA? Cause I think that makes a difference with this combo that I have at least. What comes to Hegel H390, I do agree that it's a bit more bass heavy and prolly wider sound stage, but the details that Supernait 3 can reveal and the dynamics are just better for me personally. I have only heard headphone amp from Kinki but that one I really did like and it had same characterics as you mentioned. Finally I believe stacking up Supernait with Naim streamer/dac has some nice synenergy too :)

[@martinaldred7065]

I have always run Spendor speakers and have recently purchased the A7 much to my delight. My dilemma is which amp route to go if any, from my Cambridge CA 61 bearing in mind I mainly listen to the BBC radio 3 and Jazz fm broadcast via AAC on a Cambridge streamer. They are all very tempting! Martin

[@Stephenwongdirectimaging]

Naim 200/202 pre + Buchardt S400 MKII work beautifully .

[@MrBbront]

Thanks!

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank-you very much too

[@RiaTolstoy]

Hi great review... Have you had a chance to hear the Rega Aethos? i know Rega don't put stuff out there for reviews so much. If you get a chance please do would be interested in your thoughts. I've heard the Hegel 390 v Supernait 3 v Aethos and brought the latter... Prefered the pure analog I think. Was impressed with the Nait and Hegel, just felt got more for money with Rega & Aethos was more involving and loved the walk in depth in soundstage (thru Spendor D7.2 speakers).

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you Ria, I haven’t tbh. I’m correcting my comments about the NAD. See my posted comment. Thanks again.

[@miltonballester1826]

I love my Supernait 3 with my Proac’s D20R. Sounds great. I bought the Hicap DR power supply for the SN3 preamp section and sound improved noticeably. I’m using a Denafrips Pontus II Dac.

[@scslite5206]

ditto, I also have an SN3 and, which already sounded great as is, the addition of the Hicap DR took it to another level sonically across the board. It replaced my Primaluna Dialogue Premium Integrated. And this review is absolutely spot on with regards to midrange punch. And the kick drums just sound so much more real and lively but not at all harsh. Using a Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE 80% of the time and it's sublime. Don't miss tubes at all. The funny thing about the PL it had a center imaging so low as if you're sitting at a balcony which was a bit annoying. The SN3 fixed that as well so it wasn't the speakers.

[@dafh5280]

Tried a Naim Supernait 3 along with another Naim (cannot recall the model) recently with an Arcam ST60 from a Naim authorized dealer in Uk and both gave RF interference and were not happy although other amps were fine. Any suggestions?

[@steverees1936]

Hi Simon. I would say the Naim is perfectly suited with the likes of Proac speakers, Chord DACs (which I've heard on demo's), sprinkled with Jazz and Acoustic music rather than say Rock music. Would that be your findings? Great review my friend.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks very much Steve, It’s a difficult one because music can be varied, also never tried proac at home, also speakers often different within a range 😀🔉🎼

[@Hysteric2006]

Naim and Dynaudio is a great combo.

[@morespinach9832]

Which Naim and which Dynaudio?

[@idlohtrab]

Great review , my savings are nearly complete for my SN3 purchase , thanks for the info , will be pairing with cherished Proac D18,s

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you. What did you take from this video re choices out of interest.

[@idlohtrab]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 Hi Simon , I was interested in how the naim compares with the Hegel Sound Signature , and it seems you like the sound signature of the naim as well , so as you own the Hegel brand its good to hear good things about the SN3, I will be initially using it with the denifrips ares 2 to start , thanks again

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

@@idlohtrab what about the kinki wink wink nudge nudge , and save grands

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

@@idlohtrab personally I think the kinki is the better all round proposition because it’s cheaper than the Naim and equally as good sounding, plus a little bit more neutral, but the problem with hifi is people buy based on brands and branding and expense and vfm doesn’t seem to matter. Not criticising as I’ve been there myself.

[@idlohtrab]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 thanks for the advice , love the channel , keep up the excellent work

[@Fred-ql3gq]

Great video, thanks. Love my Hegel H360, and love my Raidho's (XT-2's). Would like to replace my Oppo 105-D as a player. I have many SACD's so I need that option. Any ideas? I've pondered a lot of different options, but to no avail. PS Audio Perfectwave SACD player ($4K on sale) paired with a DAC like the Holo Audio Spring 3, or the Audio GD. But still stumped on what to do.

[@fizywig]

Which would pair well with the DCS Bartok connected to ATC SCM 40 speakers?

[@truman4956]

Lovely review. I’m considering your buying advice to pair with Q Acoustics Concept 500 that I got on the cheap.

[@slavopastor9296]

Thanks for your amazing reviews! I did audition the H390 so I know what I am looking at there. I also know the SN3 fairly well. My question is mainly about EX-M1+. How well would it pair with KEF Meta R3? Medium sized room, Electronic, Dance and Jazz music, Chord Hugo DAC, Apple Macbook Pro as a source via USB to the Chord. Based on your experience, which of the 3 amps would work best? Of course I understand this is subjective but for me base control, timing/rythm for the electronic music and soundstage depth and resolution for the jazz music are the most important parameters.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Hi Slavo, wow thanks so much for the donation. If you message me on Facebook or email me at simon at 13thnote dot net , happy to continue this there so you can access all my knowledge.

[@slavopastor9296]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 Will do!

[@joc1016]

Can you tell me why my Argon Solo dac sounds better than a Topping E50 dac I purchased. E50 has perfect measurements.?

[@danielmo6738]

Kinki is my favorite..

[@swiss889]

Great comparison sir, which of these amps suits the buchardt the best?

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you , I still feel that the Naim does😀🎵

[@Naitsabesuil]

Supernait 1 was my first amp, and I still feel a pang of regret for selling that beautiful piece. It brought so much joy and warmth to my listening experience. I moved on to an Accuphase, but it left me disappointed. Now, I've switched to an all-in-one solution with the NAD M10. It's convenient, but I know deep down that if the NAD ever fails, I'll go back to the Supernait. That amp was unparalleled, giving me countless hours of relaxation and joy, even at low volumes. The rhythm and style of the classic Naim are simply unbeatable, and you can find them second-hand in superb condition. Plus, it pairs perfectly with my British Spendor D7.2. I don't understand the fascination with tube amps. Every time I had the chance to listen to them, I felt they offered less control, more distortion, and were overpriced. I also don't get where the idea comes from that they're difficult to drive speakers with. In my 30m² room, even with several speakers, I barely hit the 12 o'clock mark on the volume regulator. The Supernait had everything I needed and more, and it remains unmatched in my heart.

[@andrew8992]

Interesting to hear your thoughts about the Supernait and PMC’s. I also have some PMC’s and when looking for a new amp I demoed the Supernait and Rega Aethos. I ended up buying the Aethos. Overall the Supernait is clearly the better amp, but I agree it does not pair well with the PMC’s, it exaggerates the PMC’s brighter top end and it was not a comfortable listen. The warmer sounding Aethos just took the edge off the PMC’s to give a much better overall tonal balance and listening experience.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

I totally agree. Certainly the twenty5 range or newer twenty5i range, but older pmc’s like the twenty series or older than that, or maybe old fact series, I wouldn’t be saying that and certainly not a case of a ‘house’ sound between pmc’s of different generations, at least as far as their bass/treble balance. Contrary to what I said, the nad does work with them all. Will correct it…..

[@GMG0479]

What a great round up! Any recollection of the Supernait 2 you can relate to? Is it a sensible upgrade for Supernait2 owners?

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you. Never tried the supernait 2 tbh. 😀

[@GMG0479]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 Which of the amplifiers in this roundup would you take to your lonely island?

[@roadmovies]

Current US price is equivalent to 5,280£. Much higher than in the UK

[@scslite5206]

Great review and I'm beginning to enjoy your take and approach. The question I had for you is which one would you keep between the Naim and the Hegel if you only had to have one? Putting aside speaker selection etc. I didn't quite get that from the video and just curious.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you very much. I’m doing that for patreon subscribers from now on

[@kirkaparty4143]

Great review. How would Buchardt I150 compare to these? And with Buchardt S400ii? Thx

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you but please read tagged comment.

[@ayfj4572]

I have a pair of Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor M stand-mount speakers and I'm in the market for an amp to pair with these gorgeous speakers. Would anyone have a suggestion, I'm thinking of the Supernait 3.

[@shemaya4979]

It's a nice comparison Simon 👍. I tried Supernait 3 and UnityNova from Naim with Focal Kanta2 speakers. Even though they promote these as a synagatic pair, I didn't like the taste of the sound. I think it is toomuch for beryllium tweeters. So I bought Hegel H390. But still I think I dont get enough bass. Is it French speakers dont have bass compairing to american speakers ?

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks very much. Dunno about that re french and American but you may want to try some of the mono blocks that Hegel make for extra bass

[@robk5745]

I’d look more at your room!

[@sbwlearning1372]

The Hegel is pretty powerful (the naim is overhyped) I didn't have any bass and was using a supposed 200wpc Arcam a49 driving small Ruark acoustic Templar 2s 88db sensitivity max power handling 100 wpc. I tried something new classD power amp 600wpc and 1/3 of the price of the Arcam. Now finally I have bass real string plucked in the air bass!! Amp manufacturers are very stingy with power. The Hegel should be enough but my experiments have shown me even in a small living room with small floorstanders power is king. Personally I would never drop below 300wpc now I am absolutely gob smacked at what real power can do. I found the Naim the most disappointing especially as it's the same price I thought the Hegel sounded lovely

[@dmd7472]

Please please where does Cambridge edge W and NQ sit in this conversation? 🙏

[@aceofspades6667]

The interesting thing is each of these amp companies promote a separate metric. Damping factor, watts, current, and now slew rate. Hegel’s damping factor is something that is real and it has nothing to do with power or decibel level. The control my Hegel had over my magnepans was special. Ifi just released a new streamer for 1200 usd/gbp called the neo stream . Looks like quite a nice package for the price.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

To be fair slew rate doesn’t have anything to do with power or db level as far as I know. It’s just different design philosophies I suppose. I saw that re neo stream, looks nicely made. 😀

[@Romulus980]

One of your best reviews because of the particular amps involved. I am being selfish but would there be any chance to do the same amps driving ATC SCM40 or 19 speakers...? I know ATC demand a lot of current but the Supernait 2 or 3 driving ATC speakers get a lot of thumbs up from users and would be very interesting how it compares with eg Hegel H390 driving the same ATC speakers...

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks very much stargazer. I doubt that will be possible to get them all at the same time tbh. I think they would work well with all amps here tbh.

[@pauln6803]

I've tried SCM11 with a Supernait 1 and it had no trouble making the ATCs shake the room with the volume pointing at 7 o'clock. The midrange was incredible with vocals and acoustic guitars but the ATC were a tad too dark for my taste, although this was mostly because of the CD5 as a source. I've found Naim CD players to be a little top end shy. ATC passives have a reputation for being hard to drive because of their fairly low sensitivity but they have a pretty flat impedance so don't necessarily need as much power as many think. It's also worth noting that Naim cripple their products somewhat so they can double dip your wallet for an external PSU, although that depends on how much you like the presentation of the bare bones product. If you love hard rock and metal and value slam above subtlety, then an additional PSU is a no brainer as speed and muscularity where the most obvious gains are.

[@Romulus980]

@@pauln6803 Many thanks for your insightful reply. I used to own a Naim System and found that Naim loves group music (eg Santana and The Pogues) but not so much large orchestras as found in classical music. But that was many years ago so the 'soundstage' may of grown with the later models of Naim. Despite Naim 'watts' having the reputation of being quite powerful I always found it frustrating that Naim do not produce Integrated amps with eg 150 watts into 8ohms so I can use them with ATC speakers. Many years ago I did enquire directly to ATC whether Naim entry amps can be used with their entry speakers their response was very direct in that Naim Amps do not produce the sort of amps which would drive their speakers 'properly'...

[@thebestoffools]

I found the SN3 harsh with poorly recorded material when matched with ATC (SCM7 and SCM19). But acoustic instruments had a natural tone. Also, if you're a fan of large soundstage and imaging, the SN3/ATC combo is not the king of instruments separation and 3D imaging. My 🪙🪙

[@nickevans3190]

I really enjoyed your review of the naim nait amp which my friend has and I do appreciate costs but when you add one of naims external PSU like the supermarket this takes the naim up several layers upgrades of sound quality, so if possible you could revisit the naim supernat 3 doing this?

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks very much. I obviously did the comparison amp for amp and adding power supplies pushes the cost up, as then a fairer comparison might be using added components with the Kinki etc like different power conditioners and so on. So such a comparison is probably moot. At the end of the day it comes down to a) is hifi a value proposition to the buyer or b) is hifi money no object buying but people want a branded name with different sound quality but not necessarily better

[@DBravo29er]

Naim Supernait 3, HiCap DR, WitchHat Morgana SNAICs and interconnect, WitchHat Phantom speaker cables, Chord Qutest with Plixir Elite BDC power supply, Chane L3c speakers. Just EPIC!!

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

It sounds epic.

[@DBravo29er]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 TBH, the above setup beat an H590 during an extended in home demo. It wasn't particularly close. Bettered slightly in some areas by a Pass Labs INT-60, but superior in others (would come down to speaker pairing. Naim says these are not speaker cable dependent; and they aren't in the same way as classic Naim. But using high inductance speaker cables (like Naim NAC A5, WitchHat N2/Phantom, or Kudos KS-1) really calms the brittle leading edges, adds more bass authority and control, & greatly expands soundstage in all 3 dims while also increasing air and image delineation. I used normal BJC Ten AWG cables at first and heard basically exactly as you described in your review; good, pleasant, but not overwhelmingly good.

[@jamesromeyn8165]

Thank you, Simon for remarkably helpful, succint and insightful content. Supernait 3 supplies enough current and voltage for my satellite loudspeaker load; the main amp in my system only reproduces above about 100 Hz. What are the lowest-cost new or used Naim power amps that at least equal the best musical qualities of Supernait 3's power amp stage for my application? How does the mid-2000 vintage NAP 150XS compare? How about more recent Naim power amps priced below the current $9k SRP NAP 250 entry-level power amp? What if any non-Naim power amps share the best qualities of Supernait 3's power amp stage? Exposure?

[@nikolay2687]

Hello, tell me how NAD 33 will be combined. With PMC 5.21i acoustics

[@wurzlgaming]

im proud owner of the Supernaits3 little brother the NAITXs 3 and fire up some NEAT Motive SX1 . and this combo is looking for some competition.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

They’re crazy bad value for money. Don’t know why people get allured to all the hype, reviews, and so centred on having to have a certain brand at the cost of so much gear that is more competitive.

[@sheerkhanful]

Always great to see the Supernait getting some attention. I own both a first and second generation of this amp and for me, it has always paired well with Dali speakers. I use a rubicon 2 and a menuet as well(with a rel t5i). Together with chord dacs, I no longer wonder if the grass is greener on other gear. For me, this combination of gear causes a visceral reaction when I hear it and I’m deeply pleased with it. My Supernait 2 also has the HiCap DR. Speaking as a confirmed subwoofer fan I’ve never felt the need to add one to my Rubicon 2’s. It just doesn’t need it.

[@lifeofvinyl3003]

Would you recommend the Hicap DR and did it make a big difference? I’ve been thinking of adding one to mine.

[@sheerkhanful]

@@lifeofvinyl3003 I do. Much blacker background with the accompanying jump in detail.

[@lifeofvinyl3003]

@@sheerkhanful thanks for the reply yes I have heard good things It’s definitely an upgrade I’d like to make sooner rather than later.

[@GMG0479]

@@lifeofvinyl3003 have a look at TeddyPardo power supplies. They have a whole line for Naim products. I have the TeddyCap SE with my Supernait2 (and also another PS for my Chord). Sounds fantastic.

[@lifeofvinyl3003]

@@GMG0479 ok not heard of those I’ll take a look many thanks for the recommendation!

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🤗👍SIMON SAYS…ALWAYS BE HONEST 😁👍😎😊

[@jasonme3557]

The most complete comparison would be the Rega Aethos .

[@danieloherrick6332]

Agree. I read/heard that REGA does not send out review units. I recently heard the Aethos with the LS50Ms--outstanding and I'm not a KEF fan.

[@altangasi4665]

Hello I am interested in your opinion. Have you ever compared Hegel h 390 against Kinki Studio Ex-m7 ? Which one do you think sounds better? Kind regards

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Have done that in previous videos but for further input you can sign up to patreon for my advice.

[@francogravina7772]

hello, love your video. Does the Supernait 3 enough power to drive the Fyne Audio's F1-12s ?

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thank you. with the price disparity you probably want to be looking at something more price commensurate I would have thought ?

[@francogravina7772]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 Nac 552 + Nap 300 DR + ND555 is much better I think? I hope not too transparent ?

[@briancampbell7712]

can you review the Ayon intigrated amps...very good quality from Austria... one of the best qualities available...they don't do all the marketing...so many people outside of europe don't know how good some equipment and speakers are from places like...Denmark, Germany, Austria and Italy...

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

I will try!

[@Pinio7063227]

Hello :) Witch amplifier is best choice for my focal aria 948 ? Hegel h390 vs supernait 3 ? Please help mi...

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Please sign up to Patreon and happy to help

[@aeonikus1]

One look inside Naim and Hegel and you can see that it's so crammed inside and you know it cannot sound better than Naim.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

I don’t think it’s possible to do that in hifi as there are so many factors that go into what determines a great sounding bit of kit.

[@marcoluca6552]

I have an old Arcam A32 (2002) I like the neutral of sonic balance. However I like to upgrade better amps. Do you think the Naim Supernait 3 is a good upgrade and share similar neutral sonic balance ?

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Not at all

[@marcoluca6552]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 Thank you ! what are the differences between Acam A32 and Naim Supernait 3 ?

[@zukispur5493]

My sansui au 717 special would fancy it's chances against them amplifiers

[@davidreece1642]

Hi Simon, have you auditioned the Exposure 3510 v SN3?

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

I haven’t David no, sorry.

[@davidreece1642]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 No problem

[@MrBerry67]

love my naim supernait 3 - in Sydney comparable cost is over 5200 pounds - unfortunately thats typical for English hifi products being sold in australia

[@musicnexo3114]

I stopped searching for Naim,Hegel,Nad,Kinki, even Bryston after I'm heard the Plinius Hiato driving ATC and PMC loudspeaker. In a different league

[@C_J__]

Interesting take on the SN3 & H390. I auditioned them back to back. I found the DAC in the H390 was just getting pipped by my Chord Mojo 1 which I found very disappointing. I hear the Qutest is more Hugo 2 Level so its interesting that you found the internal H390 DAC better than a Qutest! Secondly, I just found the delivery a bit too linear and civilised with H390 in comparison to the SN3. Don't get me wrong, I was very very close to pulling the trigger on a H390, its a fantastic amp and immense value for money, but for me, the SN3 just does dynamics & PRAT so well, its immensely entertaining to listen to. Coupled with the fact its upgradable, the addition of a power supply to SN3 easily moves it well past the H390 and then becomes comparable in cost to H390. Both are fantastic products though. As ever, listen for yourself.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

It’s more a valid discussion I think if systems are set out and so people can take a view if the experiences of the commenter is the same as the reviewer or others. Which is why you always need do set out equipment used. The equipment isn’t linear so the experiences are not.

[@CinemaDemocratica]

The convergence seems to be that the Hegel is (much-?) more accurate, and the Naim is (perhaps-?) a bit more musical -- especially if PRAT is one's idea of musical. The whole thing makes me nervous because I'm getting excited about the Amphion Argon 1's, and I'm worried that I'll feel like an idiot for preferring Naim over the brand of amplifier that the Argon's are voiced with at the factory. :D

[@ianjones1034]

Hi the Naim supernait 3 has a decent phono stage which i understand the Hegal doesn't

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

True, but similarly the Hegel is Roon ready and has a fab DAC, so horses for courses.

[@GMG0479]

If you hear hum from the transformer it means your mains power is polluted with some DC. Perhaps you should try a DC blocker.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

It can hum just on the big size of it too I understand, it’s not uncommon or necessary to correct if it’s slight as in my case.

[@robertwang7825]

If you already have a very good DAC , then the Kinki is a no brainer for its price and ability to handle most spkrs with its power and high damping factor. 80W may not be enough for some spkrs. For bang for the buck.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

It is tremendously good vfm I agree.

[@diseasex]

Is it worth buying chord quest when I have Hegel h390?

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

No

[@chrisxie2234]

Anyone here uses SuperNait to drive JBL 4309? Is it a good combination?

[@stephencosta6814]

Your the best ❤❤❤

[@ChrisMag100]

I recently had a Naim XS + Flatcap 2 in my system for a few weeks. It was very music when driving my Focal Scala Utopia Evo’s. Objectively, the pairing is a mismatch. $53k speakers running off $3800 (in 2009 dollars) worth of integrated amp and power supply but it was really nice sounding. My main components are a Parasound JC5 + Audio Research LS28 SE. That combo has more dynamics, transient speed and more transparency but it’s 4x the relative cost.

[@davidrivera2165]

Thank you for the thorough review on the sound character of the Naim, and specially for your transparent (pun intended) comparisons with the other three amps. Here in the US Musical Fidelity open box M6si are selling for $1,800. In my humble opinion, the M6si has the same analog limitation as the Supernait 3, but with a sound signature and character somewhere in between the Hagel and EX-M1+. For those of us that are into punchy dynamics and bass grip with decent soundstage & imaging, the M6si (220w) at the discounted price of $1,800 is a world beater. Thanks Simon.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks David, but have you tried all of these in situ? I’ve tried the M5si. It had a full soundstage on the plus side but bass a bit looser to the Hegel. The subscriber who brought it around was considering the Hegel as he has same speakers as me.

[@davidrivera2165]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 You're absolutely correct Simon. The Hegel 390 is superior in detail delivery and soudstage compared to M6si. My observations are couched in the current pricing for M6si in the US for open box or used ones.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

@@davidrivera2165 thanks David, helps me and others !

[@joseestrella334]

Thank you for reviewing naim.. No one does that really.. I do suggest you listen to naim, like they intended. Chord dac is fine but at the minimum try the nd5sx2 through din conection, maybe a hicap and a nap 200 with all the upgraded cables and power cords which is the true final form of that system.. And only the first gate before an nac 282 + nap 250dr. I also have an h190, Auralic aries g2.1, mytec brooklyn bridge, powered by ferrum hypsos.. And it doesn't even come close to supernait 3, nd5sx2. combo through roon. Using tekton lore reference and wharfedale lintons on both systems. But wharfedale with naim are naturals together. Cheers, great review.. Oh and you need at least 100 hours on that sn3 to start hearing its true colors.. Some say 400 hours... So happy listening.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks, this unit has had lots of time on it.

[@Michael-xz1nk]

Naim recommends keeping the amp on 24x7 / 365. I would never do that as I enjoy super longevity with expensive electronics. It just makes no sense to me.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

I think I agree it seems counter intuitive. also in an energy efficient world , can’t do that anymore

[@Michael-xz1nk]

Amen!

[@Michael-xz1nk]

This is the second time I have heard about the Naim hum when powering up. I’m a Naim fan but would not like drowning out the hum with music. I would hate the hum when in standby mode (on but not playing music. For $5,600+ US, it should not ever hum unless something is wrong IMO.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

It’s inherent in the design….. Like saying a car with wind noise is annoying.

[@Michael-xz1nk]

It would be a deal breaker for me. None of my amps hum. Different strokes.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Probably because the toroids are relatively small but comes bigger power supply’s means improved sq through gutsier drive !

[@GadZookz]

Just to be clear, are you saying this amp continuously hums after you turn it on?

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Amps with big toroids do, it’s to do with the windings and electro mechanical effects. It’s a question of saying so, and then also saying whether you will hear it at listening position. And as mentioned, no to latter. It does settle down after a while until it’s almost inaudible but you have to have your ear up to the case or close to hear it in any event.

[@GadZookz]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 Thanks. I have the Naim Uniti Atom and was thinking about adding some components. Alas, electrical hums are a nonstarter in the living room.

[@chrisbrook2267]

@@GadZookz I own a SN3 and I hear zero hum unless I put my ear to the case. I'm very OCD so I'd defo notice.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

It’s gonna depend on things like dc on mains too, which can differ between households depending on electrical appliances around your place. I agree it is not any issue whatsoever.

[@GadZookz]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 No doubt it will be drown out by the hum of my quantum phased interocitor Utopia only while it is in the same dimension. 🙂

[@comitatoutentitrn9921]

You guys in UK are lucky: here in Italy Hegel h390 costs no less than 5800 euros while Naim Supernait 3 costs 4500 euros. >So pirces are very different! Hegel H190 is around same price than Naim 😒

[@michaelmityok1001]

Super roundup of the integrateds most folk will actually buy, and importantly tested with 3 different and rather inefficient, demanding speakers. A follow up that digs deeper into the pairings more specfically would most likely get tons of views as well. I don't think the NAD got quite a fair shake using its analog input since the signal was processed again, as you mentioned it really should be used as a streamer amp. I've heard it and the Naim paired with B&W 804 D4s and felt the NAD was equally as resolving. The Naim does have more personality however which is a good thing - and despite what reviewers will tell you, "neutrality" shouldn't necessarily be the ticket for everyone.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Thanks very much , I agree with you Michael. So sorry about my mistake. I can’t tell you how annoyed I am with myself, pressure to finish videos and work involved is big.

[@alphaniner3770]

The Hegel, Naim and Kinki were all on my short list. Eventually I went for the Kinki power amp with a passive pre-amp. Neutral isn't my ticket too - I like subtle deviation from neutral. But my loudspeakers already provided that. With more neutral loudspeakers I would probably have gone for the Naim.

[@cdbeen123]

@@alphaniner3770 what speakers do you have ?

[@alphaniner3770]

@@cdbeen123 Tekton Enzo XLs

[@anjovandijk9797]

Hi Simon what do you mean with a headphonesc soul

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Where Anjo?

[@anjovandijk9797]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 on the NAIM supernait 3

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

@@anjovandijk9797 I asked as I wasn’t sure what I said as this video was a while ago and if you could give me a time stamp I can reply 😀

[@anjovandijk9797]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 9:14 > 9:35

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

Headphone esque….. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/esque

[@dab9742]

The EX M1+ is far ahead of Naim, who were among the best in these respects, when it comes to the quality of the cabling and the layout of the internal components. And regarding Heigel, they are light years ahead of the EX M1+. I think that Kinki Audio has reached a record, it is up to the others to try to reach it. My only negative point is the gold-plated ventilation grilles, which are not in the best taste in terms of aesthetics.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

I think having the option to spec the colour of the grills could be a good idea 👍

[@rog86]

Are you saying you prefer the kinki, or the Hegel? Cheers

[@dab9742]

@@rog86 Visually and qualitatively, I prefer the Kinki, but in order to make a fair judgement, it is best to compare these devices on your own system, in your own listening room, and with your own records ! 😉

[@rog86]

@@dab9742 cool, thanks....👍

[@jwester7009]

I wonder why people choose to compare Naim with some all-in-one mainstream systems like the Hegel and NAD. Naim SuperNait 3 is one of the few true analog products they have left in their line-up before they turn their entire product line into overpriced, mainstream kitchen radios, cheap streamers and soundbars. So it's pretty special because it represents what the Naim brand used to be about

[@villageroma]

If you try the Linear Tube Amplifier (LTA) Z40 you will trow the Hegel out of the window and will never ever look any other amp no matter the cost. Dont judge my bold statement, do your research and give it a chance, you jaw will drop on the flor..

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

It depends on the sound you want. I'm a fan of solid state amps.

[@villageroma]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 that has a solid state sound with astonishing dynamics

[@scslite5206]

which Hegel model did you throw out the window?

[@tommccarthy3385]

The Supernait is $5699 USD.

[@13thnotehifireviews7]

It’s probably the low value of the pound and shipping / energy costs in transportation. It was a lot lower. We can blame putin.

[@tommccarthy3385]

@@13thnotehifireviews7 I generally do.