Naked Bible Podcast 152, 153 - The Gog Magog Invasion | Ezekiel 38-39

[@erinstover195]

It just gets better and better, Gods Word just keeps on getting more and more exciting. Will meet you someday in that unseen realm❤.

[@angelsolis5077]

"AMEN" ❤🧡💛💖💚💙💜🤎🖤THE RAINBOW OF OUR SAVIOR’S LOVE. MAY GOD BLESS EACH OF MY BROTHERS, AND SISTERS. 🙏✝⚔

[@Idontlikethisever]

I miss these good times. God bless you soul my good brother.

[@realitywins6457]

Heiser’s money shot from Part 2: “Some ppl let their system get in the way of the text. We’re not about systems here; we’re about the text ... I don’t care if the text fits into your system or if it fits into A system.”

[@marigh38]

Thank you again for these podcasts of Dr. Heiser's. Miss him and didn't even know him but feel like I do through his work.

[@sreed7637]

He was an amazing teacher…

[@angelsolis5077]

AMEN 💟❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍💟

[@therealkillerb7643]

Thank you! Four years at a evangelical university, three different evangelical seminaries, and not ONCE, were these connections made, or the text taken seriously as you did here. Much appreciated. After listening to this, I picked up another two of your books.

[@markbirchall2060]

YES Bible students NEED someone other than dispensational, pre-trib rapture, brain washing!!

[@markbirchall2060]

And to think Hal Lindsay and Tim Lahaye among many others are multi million aires from writing books on Bible end times prophecy. Yet they have been wrong on virtually everything they thought the Bible predicted. How can they look in the mirror? They have made the Gospel a laughingstock.

[@qazyman]

@@markbirchall2060 This is what you call losing at spiritual warfare

[@onefeather2]

Wow, well said, I agree. They have done more damage than good.

[@alerdman2002]

Doesn't the Bible tell us what Gog is the chief Prince of megagon Tubac I'm gone

[@bobjackson3307]

Wow! my entire World View, Spiritual view, and systems have been set right. Thank you for helping me prepare my friends and Family.

[@onefeather2]

Thank the Lord someone knows about the countries and places in the Bible. So much to take that it is good to listen to a couple times or more and take notes.

[@angelsolis5077]

AMEN 😊

[@braggsean1026]

This man ratified my faith after pouring into the other ancient texts of the pagans in the area. I always had a feeling, the way the OT talks about other gods and magic, that God never says they don't exist, they just are not worthy of my worship.

[@michaelsnellgrove3310]

This stuff is like a magic key;it opens up everthing!

[@fromthewrath2come]

Wish these teachings were available in the 90's when I was struggling to pay tuition to seminaries that did not deliver.

[@stompthedragon4010]

Looking forward to this. Always questions about Gog and Magog. 2 hours in, one of my biggest problems for me in reading yhe old testament was my mind stumbling over unfamiliar names and pronunciations. I love having it read to me! Thank you

[@mishaanton5436]

After listening to Michael Be used over much time he has gained respect. I sure appreciate this teaching on this Escatalogical point. Dr. Heiser as much as it seemed you were saying it was a bit like walking thru molasses for you, (lol) we need to HEAR your especially gifted exegesis. Thank you sooo much !!! Bless you and the host ! 🕊

[@mintee094]

This is deep.. need to listen to it a few times to sink in

[@angelsolis5077]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU,, FOR YOUR TEACHINGS, AND THIS PODCAST. GOD BLESS TO EACH OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST OUR SAVIOR. ALL PRAISE BE TO OUR GOD, YAHWEH.🙏❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🤍

[@drsnooz8112]

I'd be curious to hear you elaborate on leviathan and behemoth as being "metaphors for cosmic darkness" and NOT dinosaurs. A surface reading of Job's description makes it very clear that leviathan is a fire-breathing dragon. He's a truly fearsome dinosaur in every sense of the word. Yet when I delve deeper into the narrative history of leviathan and behemoth, it becomes clear that they ALSO comprise a binary force of mythic evil. I don't think it's wise to separate the two narrative tracks into an either/or choice. Each is true. Both Ken Ham and Michael Heiser are correct. For my part, I think it makes the text that much more compelling when we accept that there might not be a clear delineation between metaphors for cosmic darkness and giant earthly lizards. We want to imagine that the unseen realm is cordoned off from our physical world, that its terrifying monsters can't break through and harm us. We imagine this, even as we stare at the physical manifestations of those very monsters. We ought not make the text conform to our quaint notions of how things are. Let it say what it says.

[@braggsean1026]

that is a very interesting point of view. I just had an idea pop in I haven't heard talked about much before that I think runs along your thought process here. Dr Heiser assures us that at least some of the entities in the ancient pantheons are real beings, The Divine Counsel, what their true names are in God's language I think doesn't matter here on earth but guys like Baal Hadad, Chemosh, Enki, Dagon, and maybe even maybe Asherah are real beings with supernatural bodies. Why can't Yam (Leviathan) be a real supernatural being too? The Watchers achieved physical form, cannot the other member of the Heavenly Host do the same?

[@stompthedragon4010]

I think Jordan Peterson has fascinating lectures on the psychological aspects of the biblical stories, myths and legenfs, the dragon of chaos

[@r.sampson1421]

I think this is very reasonable. (What you post) I am also disinclined to created false dilemmas.

[@beppiek]

@@stompthedragon4010 What an oxy moron type comment Peterson needs to stay in his lane

[@vickiezaccardo1711]

My daughter has had 2 pugs. Both have been couch perchers. Really appreciate Drs teaching on Gog Magog, and on Rosh. I have been referring to his teaching.

[@bamagirl7394]

Thank you Mr Mike. I wish I had found you years ago. I know you are with our Lord now, you are sorely missed.

[@benrutherford4487]

For he must reign till he has put all enemies under his feet and the last enemy is death- and they lived and reigned with him for 1000 years

[@GraceOnly3]

This is great, thanks for combining these for us for easy reference.

[@sreed7637]

Miss you Mike.

[@danielchrysalis6554]

I agree. Need a full revelation breakdown. Though hearing Michael state the difficulties i see why he tries to minimize it. Lol it would be pretty hard to just burn through it without breaking down the systems people have had beaten into our heads. But i believe it can be done. Just don’t worry about this or that, start with a disclaimer “half of you will disagree with half of this & the other half will disagree with the other half!” Lol just nail it & don’t worry about what people think going in. Just give us your full pov & it may help to shatter the nonsensical dogma that people cling to by just hearing it. I agree it isn’t either or, it’s definitely all the way around. It’s a confusing book but the most important in our present time. Just stick to what verse is referencing what. Even just breaking down the sins of the churches would help many people understand many things.

[@jaredyoung5353]

Keep up the great effort. Your doing God work!

[@RB-jf5ww]

Is it only me that still misses dr Hieser I wish the lord wouldn’t have taken him so young.

[@mariannedippenaar8488]

Wonderfull!!!!! Thanks for the truth. So logic if y talk

[@subduechaos]

Best answer for Ezekiel 38-39!

[@Tiki71]

If Gog is the chief Prince of Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Gomer, Togarmah and those places are all historically in Turkey, doesn't it make sense that all of the 7 letters to the 7 churches are all addressed to the same TERRITORY? One of those letters even describes the place where Satan's seat is and where he dwells. In Daniel we're told the angel had to fight the Prince of Persia and will have to do battle again with him and the Prince of Javan (Western Turkey area). it creates a different way of looking at the four, possibly territorial spirits "bound" at the river Euphrates. What if they're not handcuffed under the water, but are actually territoriality limited or bound to the locations God put them over since the nations were divided at Babel (with Principalities put over them), that run along the Euphrates. That would be the areas of Turkey, Assyria, Iraq, & Iran. All areas mentioned in Ez. 38. They are not allowed to confederate into a revived Islamic empire and invade Israel until the appointed time, down to a certain year, month, day, & hour. My thought is they invade just prior to the mid point of the 70th week, overrun Jerusalem, the spirit Gog enters the AC, commit the abomination of desolation, and they trample Jerusalem for 42 months, while the two witnesses give him the Pharaoh treatment.

[@benjaminroberts3808]

I’ve been trying to work out who gog is for a while, love the topic it’s so confusing and controversial but my 2 cents is this: gog is a “chief prince” like Michael is a chief prince this means much like the prince of Grecia or the prince of Persia as spoken of in Dan 10 gog is a principality over a certain geographical area as Michael is prince over Israel so as Mike points out this geographical area is the majority of turkey and into the surrounding areas east and north of turkey or Asia Minor interesting to me that this is where civilization would’ve began again after the flood and then the migration of the people into the area of Babel for the first world rebellion maybe gog was the principality overt the first world empire in rebellion against God as he will also be the principality over the last world empire that will rebel against God led by the Antichrist.... revelation 20 makes it clear gog is no human

[@leedatsit1799]

Would love it if you could post time marks for different subjects/proof points for quick reference. Heiser is helping me educate all who will listen on many things.

[@benrutherford4487]

I had always understood that the battle of Armageddon was when satan was bound in the bottomless pit for 1000 years- the millennial reign- revelation 19:11- 20:6- then after the 1000 years satan is loosed to decieve tje nations in the 4 quarters-"gog and magog" to gatjer them to battle- i always heard this called the battle of gog and magog- revelation 20:7-9- i had always made a distintion between Armageddon and gog and magog- one at the beginning of the millennial reign-one at the end

[@CSoMusik]

We always see patterns of types and shadows that exist in a physical and spiritual world. Why can’t this be describing both of these scenarios playing out simultaneously?

[@crisseven1764]

I don’t see how a 1000 year period can be a random period of time. Also, this reign references the saints who overcame the beast reigning with Christ and the beast did not appear yet. If you also read Isaiah 11 and Zechariah 14, it implies a physical Messianic reign on earth by Jesus.

[@bassmanjr100]

Pretty silly really. Is Satan bound in the abyss right now? To be loosed later for a little while? You wouldn't know it by looking around.

[@crisseven1764]

@@bassmanjr100 exactly lol

[@truthseekerjen6254]

You should put Michael’s name in the title. More people would listen.

[@georgeins.c.494]

No doubt, without question. Great commentary and idea.

[@TheIrishmanCan]

followers of Michael know it's his podcast

[@roybatty2544]

It's ok because most of us Heiser fans know Naked Bible is his & Houseform Apologetics have so many of Heiser videos. 😁👍

[@radovanradovanovic2755]

I like your new logo .. it looks like angels in coalition or the principalities of the world in disarray and fight because there came a good bible teaching amongst the sons of man in early 21 century..

[@HouseformApologetics]

lol the logo is pretty legit right! thanks radovan

[@coriander3170]

It looks like a bunch of pigeons fighting over bread crumbs. Pigeons/doves are basically the same birds. Except pigeos are more pedestrian. And doves are used as a representation for peace and the Holy Spirit. And bread is used to symbolize the Word.,the Bread of Life, communion... So we have pedestrian birds along side the common man. And man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Worth fighting for!

[@H-4th]

@@HouseformApologetics Wondering if inspired by Ezekiel and Isaiah: cherubim and seraphim

[@mishaanton5436]

Not reading Hebrew.. I would every much like to know who or which English translation of Hebrew Scriptures is best with whos commentary and dictionary w word Etomology. ⚡⚡

[@joelnorton9742]

Refusing to learn hebrew is like tossing the english dictionary and trying to understand.

[@urbanevintner105]

Ok is it possible that Gog is a member of the heavenly host? That would clear up a lot. Is there a scripture that says the Antichrist is human? I know he has human attributes. Could Gog be an angel, the spirit of iniquity that someone restrains? Then you could have two separate wars of Gog and Magog 1000 years apart. Ezekiel called him a prince. I thought princes and principalities referred to the heavenly host. Thanks for clarifying.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

The key is the parallelism and chaiasmus. Established in creation and by the cornerstone and pivot point of the cross. Revelation has chaismus and chronologically linear narration.

[@raymondschlichting6778]

I don’t have a predetermined opinion on Russia. That said the connection that I hear is that the sinthians ( may be spelled wrong) are mentioned as one of the nations coming against Israel and the area that they inhabited was north of the black sea which is currently in southern Russia. That said anyone’s guess is as good as mine.

[@rogercoleman8515]

My lord..thank you very much Micheal..i mean it, God bless sir! Makes SOO O much more sense..

[@blackdog75]

i’m thinking gog is never going to be found in history because he doesn’t exist as an historical figure. i think (obviously can’t prove) that gog is probably the spirit behind those peoples mentioned. edit: if gog is the “chief prince” of magog et al, and michael (in daniel) says that he was hindered by the “prince of persia,” would this not seem to indicate that ezekiel is talking about a spirit?

[@MichaelWilliams-ph4ri]

1:56:20 - in the original Greek, the word for 'thousand' is in the plural, and there is no indefinite article 'a'. So a plain reading would render it 'for thousands years' unless I am missing something about the Greek. They did not use numbers to precede 'thousand' I understand. Anybody? Been wrestling with that a while.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

What if the septuagint is correct, and the masoretic text that is 1000+ years later and post Christ is wrong? Why is the hebrew text ALWAYS the one to decide fact? When the LXX is probably sourced from an older hebrew text that is more reliable?

[@drjohnmcduffie]

Then the question is...what source, what time frame, who are the writers and their culture...and why isn't sited as a/or the source???

[@johndarrow1995]

You must start with the individual conversion before going on to the group without the individual there is no group

[@vegacool1]

Why can't it be both, literally and cosmically?

[@leedatsit1799]

I like how you think. I never have seen why people always seem to feel they have to go to one extreme or the other. Like you say, it can be both. How would that look, do you think? I'd be interested in how you might see this working out.

[@krackmusik97224]

What about meschek being moscaya or Moscow?

[@lakevacm]

It's more likely the city in Turkey.

[@austynstephens9263]

Nah fam

[@patrickedgington5827]

I agree with you this is day of the Lord vocabulary. But scripture says in that day the elements will melt with fervent heat that the earth and all that is in it will be burned up and that we will see a new heavens and new earth. That must take place after the thosand years and the white thrown judgment because there is never to be unrighteousness in the new world. It seems then the day of the Lord goes on for some time. If so why put Gog Magog at the outset rather than were John puts it?

[@ricks531]

It seems to me the day of the Lord is the 1000 year millennium time period beginning with the rapture of the bride......“But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.” ‭‭II Peter‬ ‭3:8, 10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ clearly laid out here....from rapture (thief) thru the new heaven and earth

[@drsnooz8112]

When bird flight flocks go horribly wrong, it looks like the graphic above.

[@shiftxrqt]

What happens these days to flocks of birds when a Cardi B song on the radio

[@jamesmabry7180]

Thank you

[@jimdee9801]

The one thing irritates me with the erudite Dr is his constant use of minority text Westcott and Horte versions.

[@joelnorton9742]

Please give details of textual disagreement. No one learns anything from criticizing without specifics of the claim

[@dkelley9661]

@@joelnorton9742 generally speaking, the Westcott and Horte versions are associated with a translation, made by the leading proponents of Critical Theology. Further, Critical Theology looks to support Biblical concepts with Humanist and contemporary secular paradigms. Critical Theologians generally can be seen as disparaging Biblical legitimacy and literalism. Critical theology was a concept I grew up with, and has suffered a good deal of push back over the last few decades. Essentially, one needs to determine whether one trusts the Biblical text, or not. Less than 5% of the text is even remotely errant, even in translation! The text remains largely intact, except for some well known variances. One’s ability to relate the Biblical text to ancient history and Hebrew language and culture, as well as a good understanding of Christianity historically, are hugely insightful, to parsing difficult references, in my experience

[@christiankalafut5572]

An important issue but mainly irrelevant to Ezekiel which was written in Hebrew with an important primary witness to the text in the LXX. Another important early source for the biblical text would be the DSS, though not of Ezekiel of what we have remaining.

[@eatingamandarin]

Dr Heiser states the Day of the Lord as being the second advent, and structures his hypothesis upon this foundation. However, the Day of the Lord is an advent of God upon Man. 1. The judgement upon Egypt at the hand of Babylon - Jer 46:2, 10, 13 2. Judgement upon the false prophets of Judah at the hand of Babylon - Ezek 13:5, 16 3. Judgment upon Egypt at the hand of Babylon - Ezek 30:3, 13 4. Judgment upon Judah at the hand of Babylon - Joel 1:6, 11, 13 5. Judgement upon the northern 10 tribes at the hand of Assyria - Amos 5:18, 20, 27, 28 And a dozen more references to judgement upon Israel, judgement upon the nations, first advent, second advent. The salient flaw with equating all ‘Days of the Lord’ as one, however, is anchoring the Rev 20 judgment upon Gog&Magog at the Second Advent. The Rev 20 judgment executed upon Gog&Magog is by fire from God the Father out of heaven. The Rev 19 judgement executed at the Second Advent is by the Lord Jesus with the double edged sword which proceeds out of His mouth. 2 different events. The Rev 20 judgment is rightly placed just prior to 2Pet 3:10... the Day of the Lord whereby the earth is burned up and a New a heavens and New Earth are created - Isa 66:17; 2Pet 3:13; Rev 21:1 Conflating the Ezek 38&39 Gog&Magog wars with Rev 20 judgement upon Gog&Magog forces the text beyond what it says. However, I’m agreed that Rev 20 mention of Gog&Magog is troublesome.

[@TheGreatWhiteNorthEx]

Sorry dumb question.Transcript @ 06:25 says enemy from cellphone which is the mythicnorth the place the bad place? Surely this is not what you actually said?

[@vanuaturly]

Zaphon

[@robertbruce1552]

Well I had listened to John piper and three other guys on premillinialism and they seem to have pieces if what Mike is saying.

[@RestoringReality]

How do people think there are four corners on the exterior surface of a spinning sphere of mostly water?

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

No one does. It’s literary language

[@VaxtorT]

Behemoth is most certainly a description of a sauropod dinosaur.

[@joseph.bittick]

Love your work Dr., but I am disappointed you didn't finish ch 39. It speaks of God's people who died by the sword and being returned from exile. This is an important factor in the timing of this prophecy.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

And I Beheld the earth and there was no man. The hills trembled and the birds had fled. Rapture, desolate earth wandering devil with his angels with no one to corrupt.

[@anieves6306]

+Jamie, what about the verse where he is released to deceive the nations of the earth? do you study at all?

[@user-ef5dy3is1l]

GOG & Maygog are in the same location as Armageddon. The valley of the kings. It’s where the kings always met for battle. Two wars at the same location.

[@DimensiondelosSecretos]

Armageddon is not a valley. Its a mountain, it rrpresents israel. Even heiser knows this

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

@@DimensiondelosSecretosvalley of Hinnom. .

[@sammcrae8892]

I've heard some teachers say that the valley of Maggidio is coming from a mistranslation. And the battle will actually be the mount of Zion, or Jerusalem. But you never know. Personally I think that The Valley of Decision is a much better place to stage a modern battle of several armies and a cast of millions!

[@saqu7143]

Huh?? Armaggedon is a bad transcription of the Hebrew Har Meggido, which is a "mountain" in the Yezreel valley in the North of the country. The showdown of God's victory over the hordes of the Gog umagog war are the mountains of Israel (Yehuda and Shomron) amd somewhat East (the valley of burial) NOT the same location at all. And also not to be confused with the valley of Yehishaphat...

[@rosalinesahu7272]

Is it just an audio speech? If the geographical places r shown along with the speech description, helps understand.

[@jmorra]

Michael forgot to mention the "primary source" of the Gog- Magog- Russia connection: Jack Chick tracs. They were everywhere in the seventies, and had a huge influence on American religious ideas. Still do, unfortunately.

[@jsmith359]

Great Teaching... So glad you lay out Gog and Magog as described in Rev 20... This is exactly what it is and when it is... Ezekiel 37-39 has other clues like being in the latter of the days and Israel dwelling peacefully... Peter also connects the New heavens and earth to the day of the Lord--reminding us that with God One day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day... The day of the Lord commences with the Seven Seals-as the 7th Seal holds the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls then extends into the 1000 year Millennial Reign with Gog and Magog being Satan’s final demise and final battle (Rev 20 & Ezk 37-39) The wedding feast of the Lamb is Christ taking back the earth at the battle of Armageddon (fought at Mt. Zion/Jerusalem and uses the ‘Supper of God’ language for the beasts and birds devouring the enemies of Christ (beast system and false prophet antichrist) When Satan is released after 1000 years of Christ’s peace on earth Reign, he and his forces get whats coming in similar fashion to what the beast system and his antichrist already got a 1000 years prior... Thus, after Millennial Reign of Christ is white Throne judgment and then New heavens and earth... It was all the day of the Lord which involves all His plans coming to pass in prep for His eternal family... It all fits... So agree with the conviction on systems versus what the text actually says... If I am anything in terms of eschatology, I am a Revelationist of Christ God bless you Dr H

[@brightredtulip]

Michael should never do audio only... you should be on video and with your presentation slides. Excellent! though!

[@mikedag1176]

I love Michael's 💘 slides!

[@joelnorton9742]

Avarim related to avaris in egypt? I think so.

[@testimonies888]

But John is not the author of Revelation - Jesus is the author of Revelation and John writes down what is revealed to him.

[@asabovesobelow7200]

They come back later after a thousand yr reign

[@arcticfox2639]

Who's talking on this video?

[@sonorasenora5911]

What's the wing3d figure on your site..can't make it out

[@Holly070]

JVI was always talking about Russia invading Israel at Armageddon. Guess not!

[@klmccune]

No you don't have to cover systems, I've wondered for years what you think about this. How about, this is what IIIII think?

[@lw216316]

Is it literal or symbolic ? my answer is....yes. sometimes it is both ! Let me prove that to you - Galatians 4: 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. Sarah was a literal person. She was also symbolic based on the scripture . Hagar was a literal person. She was also symbolic based on the scripture. Not everything is both but some things are. Moses was a literal person but he is also symbolic of the law. It does not have to be one or the other. It can be one or it can be both. We should keep that in mind as we study prophecy.

[@jsmith359]

I believe the simpler point is the Day of the Lord describes not only the Second Coming but the eternal extension of Christ’s forever reign from both this age of heaven and earth and then into the new heavens and earth at White Throne Judgment. Thus, Jesus wiping out the beast kingdom at the 7th Bowl of God’s Wrath transcends into His millennial reign and the final judgement of Satan Himself where death is defeated. As Paul writes, the last enemy to be defeated is death=at the second death judgement (Rev 20) whereas those in Christ have already had the victory over death at the First Resurrection/Harpazo at the Last Trumpet (7th Trumpet) a thousand years prior... A key here is Peter’s OT quote, one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day... It’s all the Day of the Lord from the opening of the 7th Seal until the new heavens and earth-which I would then call by the text description as the “eternity of the Lord” where death is forever defeated and cast into the Lake of Fire...

[@LIF1395]

I’m lost at the 1000 yr reign issue. Sorry. Because John wrote what he saw.

[@Tom-xg1kj]

Christ comes back to reign for 1000 years.

[@joelnorton9742]

Tartarus. And the ramparts of magog as it was known By the chinese. The great wall. If we reject historical interpretations we cannot even define languages. If we can't define in biblical text should we not look linguistically? Culturally? Historically? While understanding the lies are mixed in. But i view it as cultures trying to make sense of it from their lost perspective.

[@rustusandroid]

Clearly, Ezekiel gives us information, and Revelation gives us MORE information in better detail. It's not that hard, folks. Let the Bible tell you what it wants to tell you. Armageddon war, second coming. Bind Satan thousand years, Christ rule on Earth. Satan let out for unknown time to deceive nations, Gog Magog. Elements burn away with a fervent heat, new heaven and new earth. --> Made it here? You are blessed. No one really knows the good things God has for us from this point on.

[@Godrules]

There is a GOGlandia in Georgia, which is right next door to Turkey(approx 150 miles East from its border). Also Georgia at one time was a part of Russia(not necessarily meaning something but).. This is not the same as the Gogland many speak of (which Putin was born) or the Island Gogland either, which is very far north near Finland. There seem to be a lot of "GOG" throughout areas north of Turkey, so why couldn't it be any of these candidates, seeing they are literally labeled "GOG" in some way shape or form and seemingly there are no "GOG"s in other places around the world. The Georgia one seems to fit quite well seeing its actually in that region and they have their name literally spelled this way GOGlandia, with the GOG capitalized.

[@ritamassey7604]

Gog is a title and Rosh in hebrew means head/chief as in Rosh Hashanah. There are cities of meschek and tubal located in Turkey easy to find on a map

[@menknurlan]

Simply because the books were not written in 2021 with google maps of modern names. As dr heiser said the names were not known in ancient times. You can have a 100 GOGs in modern day, that doesnt matter or change the argument because its modern and not biblical times.

[@ragingoracle6239]

Is seems Gog is one of the sons of God judged in psalms 82 to whom God charged with running/managing certain pieces of the earth after they were divided up at the tower of babel. Like the "prince of the kingdom of Persia" (Not a demon, this is actually a high ranking son of God, so high that it took a Chief Prince level Son of God name Michael -who happens to be the Advocate/Manager/Prince of Israel to help fight him so Daniel could receive his words from God ) and "prince of Greece"(not a demon).. .....Gog the "prince of Rosh ("of rosh" seems to actually means "chief of"), Meshech, and Tubal" (not a demon) these likewise...are Not "demons" and not humans, it seems to me that Gog is one of those sons of God that did not rule/manage the land "portion" provided by God (Deut 32) in the way God expects them too and got judged in Psalms 82.. Gog is classified as a Chief Prince (same classification as Micheal to a degree) of the Meshech, and Tubal nations. This is why he shows up in Revelation AND Ezekiel.. A regular human cant show up in the current and latter days (end times). God judged them in Psalms 82 and said that they will die like men for how they managed the nations and Ezekiel 39: 10 apparently provides the prophecy account of Gog dieing like a man and gets buried like a man in the later days (place to be called Harmon Gog which means alley of the multitudes of Gog) after the devil/dragon is released from the pit post his 1000 years in the pit... The devil/dragon compels the nations and Gog to go against Israel and Gog gets crushed. According to Revelation 20: 7-8 Gog + nations including Magog dont attack Israel until AFTER the 1000 years after the devil/dragon is imprisoned. So it seems to me that people should be worrying about the "Scarlet" Beast before they worry about Gog. Thoughts?

[@joelnorton9742]

Igigi and the ma-igigi. In sumerian. Gog magog. Connected to the magi? The igigi are the watchers children.

[@joelnorton9742]

Magi hats are found in germanic tribes. Look up the berlin hat.

[@ingognito369]

So rev 20 7 says after the thousand yrs Satan released and he gets the nations gog and magog... so how is this the same event as Ezekiel 38 39 which you say happens at the 2nd coming...the day of the Lord is a thousand yr period in which a lot happens

[@larrybedouin2921]

The final 'prophecy against' (final act in judgment) in the book of Ezekiel. Son of man, set thy face against Gog H1463 ["mountain"], the land of Magog, the chief prince H5387 ["one lifted up"] of Meshech H4902 ["drawing out"] and Tubal H8422 ["thou shall be brought"], and prophesy against HIM. [satan] And say, Thus saith the Lord YHWH; Behold, I am against THEE O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: {Ezekiel 38:2-3} .... After many days THOU shalt be visited: in the latter years THOU shalt come into the land that is *brought back* from the sword [the day of the Lord / Armageddon] and is gathered out of many people, *against the mountains of Israel* [mountain against mountain] which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. THOU shalt ascend and come like a storm, THOU shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, THOU, and all THY bands [fallen angels], and *many people with THEE* {Ezekiel 38:8-9} .... And *THOU shalt come up against my people of Israel* as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and *I will bring THEE against my land* that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in THEE, O Gog, before their eyes. Thus saith the Lord GOD; *Art THOU HE of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel* which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring THEE against them? And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in *the fire of my wrath* have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; {Ezekiel 38:16-19} Parallel scriptures: And *when the thousand years are expired* satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, (two parallel merisms) to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. {Revelation 20:7-9} Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the (new Jerusalem) city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. {Revelation 22:14-15} in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. .... And he [Jesus Christ] shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, *neither shall they learn war any more* {Micah 4:1&3} ^ Contrasting verses concerning the battle of Armageddon. Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. Let the heathen [unbelievers] be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. {Joel 3:10-12} Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. And the slain of the LORD shall be *at that day* from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: *they shall not be lamented* neither gathered, *nor buried* they shall be dung upon the ground. {Jeremiah 25:32-33} ^ Contrasted by, And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. {Ezekiel 39:19}

[@globalwarninguk]

I don't know what mike's escetalogical position is but by the way he spriritulizes Ez 38/9 I would say he is an A- millennialist.

[@jillianjenkins7952]

He doesn’t spiritualize it, he places it at the end where it belongs. And he has said many times he is NOT an amillennialist, he just thinks the final battle ushers in God’s Kingdom on earth and that it will last forever, not just 1000 years.

[@NewSquallor]

@@jillianjenkins7952 for one that claims to take the text and not impose a system seems kind of silly to then dismiss what the text says about a thousand year period followed by one further judgement then the new world.

[@lonestarstate6570]

Michael Heiser said, "I don't think it's Russia not because I'm liberal, David Baker doesn't and he's an evangelical with a HIGH view of Scripture". This is a really interesting quote, it seems to imply that Heiser does not have a high view of scripture!

[@kellywheatley807]

The Gog Magog Invasion: Both Giants are celebrated each year in the UK. What about the obvious? KZbin, there they have more information about the parade...

[@GoshMrJosh]

Hi Kelly, I'm from America. Could you explain more or guide me to some information. I'm very interested in learning more. Thanks

[@mario.migneault]

aftter hearing so many positions on end times, i stopped this intense study, some things are repetitive like Zecharia 12:10. and Mathew is part prederist and that part could repeated. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 have a good study if you wish

[@beonoc]

54:54

[@brotherchrisrco1125]

Come to the Live Naked Bible Podcast and See Michael Heisers Naked Revelation...😳

[@zionbound5801]

Let the Holy Spirit teach you then you will be well taught. How can you not see that that which is prophesied in Eze 38 is that which was revealed to us in Rev.20:8-9. We see that YAH prophesied that He will bring Gog and his allies against His people / His land. View Eze 38:16. And we see in the Book of Revelation, John revealed to us that YAH used Satan to gather Gog ,Magog and their allies, deceiving them, to bring them against His land populated by the saints. 1st look at how the invading passy is described in Eze 38:16 "And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, AS A CLOUD TO COVER THE LAND ; it shall be in the latter days. Note that it says" in the later days. And here is how Gog ,Magog and their allies are described by John in Rev 20:8 ;" THE NUMBER OF WHOM IS AS THE SAND OF THE SEA ." Compare the two and the only difference is the words used the describe the same Gog,Magog and their allies. 2nd. Ezekiel is prophesying and John revealed . Ezekiel was told to prophecy whereas John was shown the fulfillment of the prophecy.... and he revealed it to us. In Ezekiel. 38:22 , The Lord told Ezekiel to prophesy the way in which He was going to destroy Gog,Magog and their allies. It says, "And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I WILL RAIN UPON HIM, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, AN OVOVERFLOWING RAIN, AND GREAT HAILSTONES, FIRE, AND BRIMSTONE." Adding Revelation 20:9 it says that AND "FIRE CAME DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN, and devoured them. So far I haven't heard any of the scholars pointing out the reason why YAH was bringing such an attack on His people in His land. It is there in Ezekiel 39. Who are the saints whom Gog Magog and their company is going to attack? They shall be the descendants of those who shall make it into the kingdom i.e the land of Israel wiith Christ.... andl spent 1000yrs with Him. Because they will transgress in the land , at a time when they were dwelling" in safety and none making them afraid" that YAH will bring Gog Magog and the massive armies against His people. "And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword." See Zechariah 13:8.

[@daryjackson8296]

There is not indication anywhere that John is repurposing verses from the Old testament in writing Revelation. He is not doing that. He is just writing what he is seeing . I don't know why you keep saying John is making a writing out of Old Testament verses. He is not doing that. He is just doing what Jesus told him to do, in Revelation 1:11, "What you see write in a book..." He is just writing what he is being shown.

[@armandolima823]

I agree Rosh doesn't have anything to do with Russia,but the argument you invoke is absurd. You compare words in different languages, but you seem to forget that you are talking about phisical places, not verbes or adjectives. For example, the land of "America" is written, spoken and read "America" in all languages. This goes for nearly all names of places or cities or countries or whatever geographic locations.

[@MrSparkums]

Ashkenaz lands..

[@kileyClarkHiddenObserverPoetry]

Man, it good to hear Hank Hanegraaff back on the air. I forgot their was one person in the world that knows everything.

[@JosephQPublic]

What if our globe map is inaccurate, thus throwing a lot of this speculation off? I think the earth is flat which could change the geography of the map entirely.

[@nikkiqualls8670]

Joe Public what makes you think the world is flat

[@johnruby1363]

There are truly no verses in the Scripture that support a Flat Earth.

[@beppiek]

What I think is funny about believers believing in flat earth is because of wording Like when I say my 60th birthday is right around the corner … is there a corner? Besides I think a globe is more miraculous and could fit nicely in the palm of His hand …. And it would take an Amazing God to keep it all in place …

[@bassmanjr100]

If today is the millenium then Satans chain is too long and he isn't bound tight enough. 😂

[@saqu7143]

Right... Something I noticed is that this type of reasoning is basically only existing when they try to get Israel out of the equation. As in literally. Well, we'll see how that goes...

[@bruceross9521]

Gog ..king of the locusts ....Amos 7 Septuagint

[@edhirsch9969]

Unfortunately your research is appalling. The Great Wall of China was known as the “wall of Magog” when it was built. How could you not discover that?

[@brookecaylor6734]

1Timothy 6;3 If any man teach otherwise,and consent not to wholesome words,even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ,and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;He is proud,knowing nothing,but doting about questions and strifes of words,whereof cometh envy,strife,railings,evil surmisings...(knowing nothing,knowing nothing,knowing nothing) thats you

[@FriedrichBoettger]

Once you drop the cold-war suppositions about Gog and Russia, current American foreign policy makes even less sense. Wild eschatology is not as harmless a hobby as we once assumed.

[@joelnorton9742]

Amun anything is the source of light as opposed to ra or ray. Why so little comparative linguistics. One eye closed.

[@Lionspride-jq1pf]

I think gog=man, and magog=woman, also gog=God, and my god

[@jameymassengale5665]

@1:00:40 the inheritance of YHVHJESUS, also refers to ISRAEL, which takes us to Ephraim and Manasseh in the latter days. Now while the BRITAIN-US interpretation seems to be the most consistent since both at one time controlled ALL THE GATES OF THEIR ENEMIES, the sea gates in particular, Suez, Panama, Gibraltar, and to they are the greatest nation and commonwealth in history, I see the Russo China, Spain Mexico, and the Merovingian middle territory to Charlemagne trying to control the Roman Catholic and Ottoman Turk. Since Satan in the north is trying to steal the blessings, what are your thoughts on how Satan views and responds to Jacob's prophecy??? (I generally take Joseph to represent the TRUE church in the, and I say generally because Judah here birth Shiloh, and where I may differ with Brit Am is to blanketly extend specific geographic reference to every passage of those nation identified as Edom for example. It seems Jacob prophecies the diaspora and exile, HOWEVER, I would look at who is allied with Edom, as Britain and the US were allied in establishing Israel in the aretz).

[@TheChampFighter]

Israeli(🇮🇱💩) shill.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

"The septuagint translates this passage" goes on to use the septuagint's translation to justify how it's talking about the "cosmic mythical north" and then goes on to say that this is the primary meaning of the text and that the human element is part of it, but secondary.... I don't understand why the LXX always has to be the red headed step child.

[@jamesbultemeier]

Gog is not Antichrist. Gog of Ezekiel 38/39 is the White Horseman/1st Seal of Revelation. Gog dies on the 6th Seal by God Himself. Gog is buried in Hamon-Gog. Gog will be resurrected out of this grave in Hamon-Gog into Antichrist. Antichrist is thrown into the Lake of Fire not buried in any grave. Gog dies on the 6th Seal. Antichrist rises as the Beast of the Sea on the 6th Trumpet. This is why Gog has his own name and is not Antichrist. You have to understand who the 1st Seal and White Horseman really is. Gog. Antichrist is Supernatural. Gog is a man who will die and be buried.

[@suzannemoore6115]

Russian propaganda…makes sense