Are There Any Beethovens Left? (Ft. 12tone)

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SOURCES AND FURTHER READING
Origins of the name van Beethoven: www.lvbeethoven...
Ludwig on Etymonline: www.etymonline...
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Did Beethoven’s love for married aristocrat and a doomed son colour his darkest work?: www.theguardia...
Karl van Beethoven: www.classicfm....
Beethoven’s Grand-Nephew: www.therestisno...
Beethoven Family Tree: www.lvbeethoven...
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[@FreeBroccoli]

I guess it takes a deaf musician to compose something unheard of.

[@danksamosa3952]

Genius

[@noodlery7034]

Underrated

[@ezra-keto]

*_woah_*

[@JLukeHypernova]

Now that's what I call music

[@colgatetoofpaste]

;-;

[@Angenga]

John Lenin, the motherlands most psychedelic musician

[@ianmacfarlane1241]

He's so dangerously deluded that if he told you that he was in The Beatles you'd have to simply agree.

[@Discosaturn]

He imagined no possessions. And no religion too.

[@allanrichardson1468]

His name was Lennon, no connection with Vladimir Ulyanov (who used the nom de Guerrero Lenin), nor to bedsheets. One of the most famous musicians of Deutero-Elizabethan England.

[@Discosaturn]

That's the point of the joke.

[@oliverhees4076]

Vladimir Lennon was the leader of the Bolsheviks, translated as Beatles in English

[@TomSistermans]

Last Beethoven died in ww1, he was the grandson of Beethoven's nephew.

[@KerimWirthSuperLps]

@@fluffytom82 Wow, really? How cool!!

[@JackOfBlades8642]

What was his name?

[@Scrub_Lord-en7cq]

@@mashynua1751 Beet B Hoven?

[@mashynua1751]

@@Scrub_Lord-en7cq wait a minute what is that pfp💀

[@DragonFang409]

Person 1: Hi, my names John, what’s yours? Person 2: *Beetroot Farm*

[@jaxonryder]

You should do Ben Franklin, since he has so many illegitimate children

[@buddyclem7328]

Illegitimate children don't carry on the family name.

[@matthewlee8667]

Beethoven's last descendent took up the mantle of his namesake and followed in his great ancestor's footsteps, taking up music. He worked hard and became a famous DJ and remix artist with the name of Beat Lovin (pronounced Bait Loeven)

[@hoangkimviet8545]

The next will be Mozart, Bach and Haydn :-0

[@Tufta759]

And Strauss

[@Suite_annamite]

*Bach is a very common family name: so either way, there are still plenty, ranging from the chief of the Olympics to the dentist down the block from me.*

[@Tufta759]

@@Suite_annamite I know it's popular. But the question is about particular line.

[@wingracer1614]

Well seeing as how the old stud had a couple dozens kids, I'm sure there are quite a few direct descendants floating around. Edit: Apparently not. Seems they died off in the 19th century.

[@nir_stern02]

So is Strauss but not every Strauss in the world is a descendant of Johann Strauss or Richard Strauss

[@Tigermink03]

This can only mean one thing: Dwight Shrutte is of the Beethoven ancestory! Beethoven is in occupational surname in German meaning Beetroot Farms, and Dwight is a German Beetroot Farmer... This is the ultimate conspiracy theory!

[@pinkegg3179]

when I hear beet, I think shrutte

[@GrumpyHobo]

I think it would have been funny for Dwight's last name to be Beethoven. Would have opened up some more great scenes. 😂

[@JaredJonesAZ]

Mose-zart

[@Ronaldosaid_shopee]

My last name is Beethoven 😮😮 💀

[@Ken4Iyfe]

*lenin* did you mean: VLADIMIR LENIN

[@drperson12]

Are there any Lenins left?

[@Ken4Iyfe]

Setsuko Momoka thats a good question

[@crewposter6726]

Setsuko Momoka Not really, Vladimir Lenin’s real last name is Ulyanov. Lenin was just an alias.

[@Ken4Iyfe]

5h4d0w The EdgeHog just because he used “lenin” as an alias doesn’t mean he **COULD** have generations down the line

[@crewposter6726]

Mid ary exactly

[@musik350]

tmw two KZbinrs you subbed but completely unrelated suddenly create a coop

[@buddyclem7328]

*coup

[@YannickDLproductions]

You say that his origins lie in The Netherlands. But actually the Van Beethoven family came from Mechelen (Malines), a city in Flanders, Belgium. As a Belgian viewer of your channel I find that important.

[@Copyright_Infringement]

At the time, IIRC, Belgium was part of the Netherlands.

[@elieli2717]

Well Flanders is majority Dutch speaking and many people from there have Dutch descent :p

[@thstguy8023]

Ey maet maybe get a watch n you can be Yannick De Early

[@sethleoric2598]

@@Copyright_Infringement this is why my dad keeps saying French Fries is in fact French.... nope

[@WOLF36554]

@@Copyright_Infringement for 15 years between 1815 and 1830. Not when the Beethovens lived in modern day Belgium

[@pegeonpera]

Are there any Beethovens left? Spoiler: *No*

[@NameExplain]

I see it as being about the journey, not the destination.

[@Claro1993]

I know somebody who is named Beethoven, and he is a comedian in my country.

[@BercyGW2]

thank you for 10 minutes of life

[@edwinchow44]

Is he a patriot?

[@Nightkite]

Wow lol

[@sekhmet7440]

I don't care if there's any Beethoven's with that surname. I want to know if anyone blood related to him is still alive.

[@Suite_annamite]

Watch *Immortal Beloved (1994)* with *Gary Oldman* as the titular character: it's the *best movie about Beethoven* out there!

[@jmchez]

Totally wrong woman as the the title character. All clues point to the another; the one mentioned in this video.

[@petenite]

Fact. Dwight Schrute is the last Beethoven.

[@nielcarpnava]

Dwight Schrute has a son named Philip so he's not the last 😂

[@joshou3759]

Are there any Hamiltons left? Are there any Washingtons left? Are there any Jeffersons left?

[@joe_ita]

Yes. Lewis, Denzel, and that family from the homonymous 70s TV show.

[@philipgagarin6673]

@@joe_ita He meant direct descedents

[@joe_ita]

@@philipgagarin6673 i was joking lol

[@buddyclem7328]

@@joe_ita Movin' on up To the East Side To a deluxe apartment In the sky....

[@TheStarswearee]

Let the world know their last names

[@brianriley5108]

I highly recommend the movie Immortal Beloved for anyone who enjoys Beethoven. It's a historically loose drama based on Beethoven's later life. Great music and great dialogue.

[@jmchez]

Totally wrong woman as the the title character. All clues point to the another; the one mentioned in this video.

[@Miriam-cn5ej]

Do are there any Einstein’s left

[@jmchez]

One of his sons was a somewhat famous engineer in America. One of his grandsons owned (no kidding) a used car business in California. In the 1980s, he had a real TV ad where he actually said, 'It doesn't take an Einstein to know that this is a great deal!". The NY Times had that story in an article about the Einsteins.

[@DomenBremecXCVI]

I wonder who the familiar face will be in the 12tones video! Must see!

[@WaterShowsProd]

I think they're going to do "Understanding Badgers-Badgers-Badgers". Should be interesting.

[@rydemk4168]

Famous in wars from Beetfarms. What a prestigious title.

[@nightwishlover8913]

It's pronounced Lud-VIG not Lud-WIG. At lesat 12Tone got it right!

[@Krissykr]

What's the difference Like I heard both of them say Ludwig and I can't hear a difference in pronunciation

[@maggie12md18]

Random person on youtube In the German language, w’s will most likely be pronounced as the v sound, so the word wasser (German for water) will be pronounced like “vosser” and the way j’s are pronounced has a rule as well. Jungen (Boys) will be pretty much pronounced as “youngen” due to the y sound replacing the j sound. Edit: the word “Ja” (yes) will sound like ya, which is pretty good for English as well, so that’s good to know.

[@noelleggett5368]

Actually, since voiced consonants are usually pronounced voiceless at the end of a word, a more accurate pronunciation would be /ludvik/.

[@nesirsitsir]

CARRLLLLL. CARLLLLLLLL. THE WALKERS CARLLLL.

[@Gameflyer001]

Nah, that "Coral".

[@MrCG35]

Ohhhh, hey, how did he get here?

[@lord_tony]

we may never have another Beethoven again but... we do have some geniuses like John Williams, Ennio Morricone and Hans Zimmer

[@BasicYutuber]

1:32 honestly I thought you were gonna say "tone deaf"

[@angelakamene4609]

My brain:sees "Beet Farm"= Shrute Farms. Conspiracy theory?

[@Tigermink03]

Aw damn I was *beet*

[@jaisheelal4002]

Angela Kamene I thought the same thing lol

[@LibertarianLeninistRants]

Beethoven's Choral Fantasia is great...but with the lyrics of Johannes Becher it became a masterpiece!

[@myklkay]

His father never hit him. He was rude, yelled at him, woke him in the middle of the night to play, but that's it. There's also the hypothesis that he had a child with Josephine, who's the best candidate to be the immortal beloved from the letter. She had a daughter, called Minona when she was separated from her husband, and the child has been conceived around the time she and Beethoven were in Prague at the same time. If you take a look at Minona's photography, you can see a resemblance with Ludwig. Nothing has confirmed this, but Josephine never told anyone who the father was, not even Minona (or she never wanted to tell anyone either).

[@evilqueen-et1du]

Of all the Beetoven songs to have in the background you choose my favorite. Thank you.

[@xerogh1821]

Two of my favorite KZbin channels, great collab!

[@rosalindkincannon1078]

Thank you for this marvelous video

[@toddietubby7450]

Beetroot, farms... OGM DWIGHT!!!

[@hugoleonardoamaral586]

Oh my, two of my favorite channels together? Sign me in!

[@lucasknox9694]

Nice music choice with his Moonlight Sonata

[@icantcomeupwithagoodusername]

that momment when you push a video to 10 minutes and 1 second but it get's demonitized

[@EdwinvandenAkker]

0:49 My surname is *van den Akker,* it's Dutch and yes I'm from Holland 🇳🇱. _van den = of the_ Akker = farmfield. But it sounds cooler when saying it meant Acre... like large peace of land. That's what I used to say, when I lived in the USA. HAHA... Oh well... what's a name...

[@jiraiyaofmountmyouboku1945]

My real surnam is Rachach wich is acient portugese for fisher or fisherman

[@mickel1634]

his family ties don't come from the netherlands, they come from Flanders, Belgium

[@Zx-hy9ys]

Now that I know the meaning of Beethoven's name I can imagine Dwight Schrute loving him.

[@hazmat4938]

So the question now is "where did he get that hair?"

[@bjorkforsale]

I have a question, how did Zhongguo become China? Srsly I have no idea.

[@Weebusaurus]

Simple answer, after the Xin dynasty. Pronounced "chin".

[@mickmickymick6927]

go to Xidnaf's channel. In short, China comes indirectly from the ruling Qing dynasty. The empires of China never really had a name and since they were the most important polity they called themselves the middle empire (middle as in between Heaven and Earth, as in, close to Heaven).

[@jaojao1768]

Zhongguo means "middle realm", however the western name comes from the Xin/Chin Dynasty

[@Suite_annamite]

*The Qin dynasty (221-206BC) and the Qing (Manchu, 1644-1911) are two completely different empires!*

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

China is Porcelain. Porcelain come from Zhongguo. China from Zhongguo Ignorant white people call the land China because it's where China come from.

[@globetrekker86]

Beethoven dedicated “Eroica” (aka “Symphony No.3”) to Napoleon, only to become disenchanted with the guy, later

[@barneysurethra4271]

You should do are there any mussolinis left

[@kiro2278]

Honestly, I don't really care for classical music too much, but Beethoven's work, especially after his hearing got worse and worse, are just admirable. Although I did a presentation about him myself for school (and having heard several of them, because I live in Germany...), this video was still interesting, as it went deeper into Beethoven's familytree. And now I also know what Beethoven actually means!

[@tmduboz9479]

Beethoven actually died at the age of 56 on March 26, 1827 rather than 1826 as states in the video.

[@globetrekker86]

“Too many Karls…” * Cue the Rick & Carl Grimes meme *

[@aphexart]

According to a Belgian newspaper we still have a couple 100 Van Beethoven's living in Belgium today... So if you are just looking for people with the same name... You can still find them in the country of his grandfather, Belgium... Back then it was the Netherlands... But now its of course Belgium.

[@tg1982]

Great video, beautifully edited and narrated, with the background music to top it all; moreover, the information, really interesting. Thanks!

[@heatherdominico3645]

What is Beethoven doing right now? I don’t know. Decomposing. Friend leaves the house.

[@omegayeet6183]

This is my favorite series of yours

[@Mattteus]

This is the crossover my musician/linguist heart longed for!

[@spiderlime]

are there any descendents of jean-baptiste lully, 1632-1687 left? he was a great composer of the baroque era, and court composer to king louis the fourteenth.

[@hglundahl]

You know "I'll be Bach" seems to run in Sebastians family ... found over 1000 in US ...

[@peabody1976]

4:32 "... but for the time was completely unheard of." Interesting turn of phrase, 12tone.

[@jacksonsawyergentry3646]

Beethoven died Monday 3/26/1827.

[@Sunny-sv7ib]

Hayden is my name, being Haydn with an e is my game

[@jessehawkes1298]

I can relate to the Beethoven’s. I’m literally the only one who can carry on my family’s last name. It’s in good hands lol

[@jaisheelal4002]

Jesse Hawkes So I'm guessing you're either the only child or you have a sister/multiple sisters that are all married? That's sort of sad really..

[@jessehawkes1298]

Two sisters, my uncle never had children of his own. Yes sirree, it's all me

[@jaisheelal4002]

Jesse Hawkes Oof I missed a few possibilities lol That's a lot of responsibility, I suppose.

[@suelane3628]

The last one in your line! There is likely many of your Hawkes relatives still around, but you will likely share common ancestors from the tenth century onwards...earlier for aristocracy.

[@suelane3628]

I meant in relation to the actual origin of your Hawkes line which won't predate the 10th century when the Normans started to instigate surnames in Britain. They already had surnames as had the SAxon chiefs. I am not sure how surnames started elsewhere in Europe and I am assuming your surname is British! Apologies.

[@Millbrook1974powderedwater]

The name was Ludwig von Beethoven in stead of Ludwig van Beethoven. "von" is German, "van" is Dutch. Translated it would be "from".

[@jamesslick4790]

".....one of the first Rock and Roll stars...Ludwig van Beethoven." I endose this affirmation!👍👍

[@ojcmaboloc2658]

3:32 "Tame"

[@kevintheskullanderson2879]

There was and will only be one Beethoven. Nobody else has ever succeeded in doing what he did, and that's writing a orchestral, choral symphony while completely devoid of hearing. Nobody since his time has ever succeeded in interpreting Beethoven's work, but that's only because nobody else that ever interpreted his Ninth could conduct the entire thing while completely deaf quite like Ludwig did.

[@pianoman3615]

Beethoven didn't play Violin. He played Viola. And he died in 1827, not 1826.

[@Electy]

Are there any Mozarts left?

[@seeking_answers661]

It seems Beethoven ancestors and of spring were either musiscans or members of the army hence the name and the meaning of his surname involes war and peace, precisely farms and military.

[@suelane3628]

Actually Beethoven's Choral Fantasia predates the Choral Symphony and some of the phrasing reflects the musical structure. I am not sure if it was a full orchestra, but it is easy to find here on YOutube and is worth a listen.

[@t-brick]

0:15 yep that's a like from me good sir.

[@z7z7]

Alex Delarge: *heavy breathing*

[@HARSHNEHAL1996]

I think justin bieber is somehow connected to beethoven

[@Navarro1030]

As a historian of science i cant wait to see this episode for the darwin family. I would be happy to help patrick with the research if needed

[@franzjosephaque2066]

There could be the descendants that are not mentioned from the family tree.

[@antontait4515]

Damm that’s seriously cool I wish I could make this kind of videos

[@buddyclem7328]

I thought this video would be about present day deaf musicians. Despite the misunderstanding, I enjoyed the video very much.

[@jonaspfaumann5754]

Pls make a video on the descendants of Konfuzius. Spoiler: There are millions...

[@elijahminiuk2058]

I don't think there are because if there were, I'd probably would have HEARD about it.

[@kevinhutcheson1854]

The van in van Beethoven is Flemish.

[@erickleiter5931]

Slight detail/correction: Beethoven died in 1827 not 1826

[@Ellie_2810]

Beethoven was good because he had beats in his name

[@jackeller6270]

Cool Video!

[@NahedElrayes]

WTF. I know this was purely focused on the name Beethoven, but pretty annoyed 12tone just skipped over the female links in his family tree like that...are we seriously not interested in finding Ludwig's closest living relative, just because he might have a different surname?

[@xtaekneekx]

That's for a different channel not focused on names

[@rastahatattack706]

a. It was Name Explain that skipped over the female links, not 12tone. b. The video's called "Are There Any Beethovens Left?" not "Who's The Closest Relative of Beethoven?" c. If you're really that interested, you could do the research yourself.

[@Angelgreat]

Are there any Van Goghs left?

[@Alex-fv2qs]

Vincent may have had an illegitimate son called Willem Vincent's brother, Theo has quite a few descendants, the most famous of them being the also named Theo Van Gogh, a controversial Dutch film director I don't know if Cornelis, Vincent's other brother had any children

[@CommonCanc]

Do the romanov family next

[@nicholasthuraisingam4857]

Ludwig From Da Beat Farm

[@eskipotato]

I found my favorite KZbinr crossover.

[@tiberiuswolf8259]

I’d ask for a study into the descendants of Jan Vermeer, the Dutch Renaissance painter, but as I am one of them it wouldn’t be terribly interesting. He has a lot of descendants.

[@yab191]

@4:46- major problem with that fact. Might want to fix his death date :)

[@IcyPandaGirl]

As a descendant and namesake of a Carl, I can confirm that once theres one Carl in the family theres a bunch.

[@ProfessorPineappleEdits]

Soooo.... the last Beethoven was also called Karl :'D 8:20 Hermine is also the german name for Hermione from the Harry Potter Books/Movies!

[@BreadLoeuf]

Famous in war from beetroot farms? He attacked his enemies with FlOWeR PoWEr

[@jmchez]

Are there any Frankensteins left? Yes, that was a real family. No, they didn't have anything to do with Mary Shelley's novel but she used their name.

[@treespunk]

Do we all agree that his "goatee" is really his mouth?

[@mahraba874]

NEON GRAVESTONES TRY TO CALL

[@justinh4455]

hey i was actually thinking this question today! what a coincidence

[@BrandtsBuijs]

There are probably still Beethovens. A quick genealogical search (gw.geneanet.org/jlerminiaux?lang=en&p=ludovicus&n=van+beethoven), this is the grandfather. But you have to travel back a long time for the other branches that survived Ludwigs branch. I found a Michel and Jean van Beethoven, born in 1950 and 1953, brothers. Also an Emilius van Beethoven, married around 1900, and having 5 sons. Their common ancestor is Aert (Arnold) van Beethoven (1535-1609). Ludwig is a descendant from eldest son Hendricx (via Mark, Cornelis, Michiel, Ludovicus, Johan to Ludwig). The others descended from younger sons Lambert and Jan. Hermine, daughter of Karl and Caroline married Emil Axmann, they had a son named Egon Axmann (1881-1926). Karoline married Franz Weidinger, Marie with Paul Weidinger and Gabriele with Robert Heimler. The family more or less lived and lives in Belgium, the southern part of the Netherlands (I saw Wouw, close to the Belgian border), Northern France and Western Germany.

[@prodbyxanderjohan]

So Beethoven had Dutch blood running through his vains.

[@mickel1634]

no he had flemish blood

[@torinjones3221]

So in short: there are no living descendants of Ludwig van Beethoven.

[@magnet7326]

Do mozart!

[@Mattteus]

(His 'pastorale' symphony is my all-time favourite of his. The 9th is too overblown ( then again I feel the same way about La Gioconda))

[@Keke_Poutri]

I really wish beethoven's family generations still decendants 'till now, like a great great grandchildren Most classical long time families can't keep their decendants, there are just fews like queen Elizabeth. . Or I just don't know..

[@Shrooy23]

4:44 did he really die in 1826 or do you want to check that?? (He died March 26th 1827!)

[@TheWoodenWilbert]

Well.. there still might be... you could look at his father’s family.. maybe find a cousin that had children and go off from there...

[@LetsTakeWalk]

Nice episode. On a different NOTE (get it?) are there any Tchaikovsky's left?

[@DJTileTurnip]

1:53 What?