Nameless Voice and Sienna's fourth career - an analysis

Been reading a bunch of theories on Sienna's career and I haven't seen the Nameless Voice (Be'lakor) being mentioned much. He pretty much confirms what's going to happen to Sienna, on top of the recent journal.
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[@JellyCubess]

"whatever happens, saltzpyre definitely won't like it" is the best summary of anything related to anyone in this game

[@wyvernharries4788]

vague enough to imply anything but true enough. lmao

[@anonthe-third2367]

Saltz is like a cat, he abhors change of any kind that he didn't bring on himself.

[@zulupox]

haha!

[@thecabbage84]

The Shadow of Mordor music goes well with the Nameless Voice.

[@sauronplugawy3866]

Be'lakor is just deamonic version of Kelembrimbor

[@Hanfgurkenhasser]

Was about to say, the music was selected perfectly.

[@user-pv5vv6vk1c]

@@sauronplugawy3866 So Dark Lord Sauron 2.0?

[@MagpieTheConqueror]

"NOT A NECROMANCER, MARKUS!"

[@anonthe-third2367]

😬

[@North29TH]

This didn't age well.

[@gregoreisenhorn6601]

ouch

[@MrRasta3600]

I've always asumed it would be death magic of some kind because of how much happens with the death winds of magic during the endtimes.

[@DARK_DEEP]

Awadakedawra?😅

[@sauronplugawy3866]

That or Necromancy.

[@sethleoric2598]

​@@sauronplugawy3866damn he got it

[@nathanpace3090]

And guess who got it right, haha

[@Scatmanseth]

“SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG” -Sienna in a few months, probably

[@papaduck5251]

warrior priest and necromancer predicted ahead of time pusfume pusfume pusfume pusfume pusfume pusfume

[@AccursedPaladin]

This career might be the end times for Sienna

[@Zargex]

And for vermintide 2

[@Janfon1]

UPDATE: I WAS RIGHT LOL Been reading a bunch of theories on Sienna's career and I haven't seen the Nameless Voice (Be'lakor) being mentioned much. While I think he pretty much confirms what's going to happen to Sienna, on top of the recent journal, it's important to state he could be just playing tricks on the wizard. Still, I perceive this more as a message from devs. To be fair this video could have been made months ago, but hey lol She is either going to be a necromancer like Sofia or in some shape or form develop a strong bond with Morr or the wind of death Shyish. While the road ahead is pretty narrowed down now, it still has some branching paths. You can see my first attempt at giving the Nameless Voice a face here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXmXdGqvoJeJnbc And the very first Nameless Voice animation here (Remember Rambler): kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKSbnn2Xh850fpo Music used: Middle-Earth Shadow of Mordor - Options Menu Music Sofia fanart by Minoukatze (before the release of Tower of Treachery) (www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/nxpppp/aaaah_sienna_has_an_evil_twin/)

[@ivanmayorov5252]

Wind of Death wizards also aren't necessarily necromancers, the latter develop on Nagash's legacy and the former are just using the wind

[@EmperorZoron]

It's impossible to change winds though and I can't imagine Markus tolerating a necromancer in the keep, especially with him being a knight of the grail. Bardin would absolutely be against it. Dwarfs hate necromancy. I fear it'll be a shark jump if they do any of those options.

[@brimstone920]

Assuming I'm remembering correctly, a Steam post from Fatshark addressing some of the theories pretty much shot down her going the Lore of Metal route not because of Sienna's character but something about how much work it'd be to introduce a good bit of completely new spells and staves. I admittedly know very little Warhammer Fantasy lore but unless there's some possible way to overlap the fire business with some hints and flavors of the wind of death, I don't much see it. There might also be something to say here about trusting Be'lakor for hints.

[@brimstone920]

Seems I've been proven wrong.

[@EmperorZoron]

They jumped the shark and I ain't happy.

[@totallynotavoyeur6977]

Shame, I really hoped for a "shieldmaiden of Myrmidia" career or something, letting magic take the back seat and focusing on martial prowess in hopes of lessening her addiction. Still, I guess it's more appropriate for mages in WH to go off the deep end, for one reason or another.

[@newwordblues3030]

I kinda doubted something like that simply because 2 other careers have already kinda done that (GK and WP) sacrificing range for pure melee potential

[@G1ingy]

I've heard a lot of this, but IMHO that's...kinda boring. Unchained already thoroughly explored that route, and if it's a 4th career the last thing I want to see is even more fire magic no matter how much or little there is.

[@josefstalin8069]

the nameless voice animation is so fucking good holy shit

[@windwind3170]

Poor Victor... His only friend became French and a simp, the Elf became a tree and even more insufferable, Master Dwarf has become useless and in need of constant babysitting and now this...

[@anonthe-third2367]

useless? clearly someone hasn't played with an engineer main

[@gregoreisenhorn6601]

If you die as engineer constantly learn from your mistakes & optimize your build. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

[@AccidentProneHobbyist]

I missed it when the nameless wasn't Belakor and was hunted towards it being Drachefells

[@zeezeezapauka8262]

I literally can't wait for her career she was always my favorite

[@DiemosT113]

Same!

[@alanmechling9822]

We are a rare few.

[@user-pv5vv6vk1c]

@@alanmechling9822 The rare player that can max kills in a match with unchained and not blow himself up.

[@play3rthr339]

That ending, Belakor literally like "damn bitch you live like this?"

[@aelfynnalochoir8249]

Victor's going to have a heyday losing his ever loving mind

[@mememindmind1010]

"Change is a natrual part of life" BROO TZEENCH MFER

[@TheChaos791]

I always think about some sort of Soul Flame, each time Sienna kill someone she gain a little fire, a bit like a will-o'-the-wisp who alight close enemies and if she have a lot of them will increase the damage and the power of the ult.

[@raven75257]

And now we know that Sienna is a necromancer. Those lines make a lot of sense now

[@brianmoyachiuz905]

Necromancer confirmed 🔥💀

[@alekwolfe1513]

It sounds like to me he's mocking her for not being able to control her magic because of nagash screwing up the whole wind of death.

[@Philipp54461]

Love the Shadow of Mordor melody in the background. Brings up some good memories of a very VERY good LOTR game.

[@Ix99oblivion]

I doubt she will be a Necromancer or Death Magic user. But I think as shown previously, and by the Nameless Voice teasing, that Sienna will become a Black Magister, trying to use dangerously other Winds of Magic (Possibly by using fire but imbued with other winds of magic), in the hope to deal with the family issues in a definitive way (Plus maybe Sienna "falling" by just risking her soul for a higher "fire" magic that is more exciting).

[@saltedhorsemeat4843]

@@cristodemonte1690 I think Sienna was the one in Chaos Wastes who openly despises Tzeentch the most so I've got some doubts she'd willingly indulge in anything related to him

[@karolkwiecjasz9356]

I like to keep hope that Sienna will get a Magister Vigilant career that just gets those voicelines as mocking and talking to her internal regrets. But right now the most propable is just a tzeentchian cultist.

[@niekesselbrugge1132]

Sienna using other winds has actually been confirmed in some way. Just look at the end of the trailer of the latest free DLC

[@JohanKylander]

"I'm NOT a necromancer Markus! NOT a Necromancer!! - Sienna ff.

[@I_Willenbrock_I]

Humans in warhammer can't just switch the wind of magic they have chosen. Even the most powerful and talented mages fail to control more than one windand usually end up being consumed by them.

[@MadjGB]

I'm going to guess she's looking to tap into the winds of death in an attempt to stop he sister from coming back, IIRC very hard for humans to master a 2nd wind, ends up with them being all chaos like, or she'll tap into Dhar

[@GenProwl]

"One must understand something to abhor it, after all." - CLEARLY be'lakor has not been on the internet.

[@StarCityDragon]

Other four dlc careers could possibly survive end times (Grail knights were saved, sister of the thorn will become a weird tree, Victor is Victor and Bardin as engineer can survive end times as well). So probably smth similar for sienna…

[@boss-rm9ie]

Engineer is weak af

[@gregoreisenhorn6601]

Ofcourse they would all survive since the shit times never happened smh.

[@elcatrinc1996]

Dude, that voice is almost identical to the most sadical parrts of AM from I have no Mouth, it makes me shiver

[@Koyu_Ruh]

Aged like fine wine.

[@KubinWielki]

I wonder how they're gonna handle her 4th career, simply because so far each of the 4th has been kinda "the best self" of each character. Not sure how a necromancer or a dark mage fits into that in Sienna's case.

[@ladonmccabe]

Best self is questionable. Look at Kerillian, she's obviously suffering over her choice as a Thorn Sister. Filled with godly essence is more like.

[@Bricriu-gj9dd]

Best self?? Best self?!?!? THEY TURNED KRUBER FRENCH!!!!

[@El-Burrito]

Getting Outcast as a Dwarf is usually not a good thing. But it's hard to be upset when you have a minigun

[@WhompingWalrus]

Gotta love how nobody thinks the Warrior Priest made a mistake.

[@Jepicus]

@@El-Burrito He was already an outcast though, I guess now he just admits it. Self exile was the whole reason he was a ranger.

[@levizone3622]

I doubted tbh but a brother was spitting

[@schism_9893]

This aged perfectly

[@vargwardwad4459]

I appreciate the wording referencing Tzeentch to dissuade research.

[@sebastiangaleano2041]

Right on the money 🔥💀

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

The distortion makes it actually creepy as just an animation. The acting and lore makes it really fucking disturbing and uneasy.

[@SomeoneYouDontKnowOfficial]

I really like the idea that more than one of the DLC careers were hinted at by the Nameless Voice

[@touatiamir7592]

usually saltzpyre is hard to please but this time , he is definitely doing to be mad furious

[@user-gw5qi5zu8i]

The thing is if she is to keep her identity is battle wizard, where could she go? Im not sure how warhammer mages work, it would be kinda strange for her to "change school"/learn new or not, but maybe there is something related to fire magic that she can expand on?

[@Athalwolf13]

If i remember correctly, while you *can* use multiple winds of magic, actually channeling them "safely" takes tremendous amounts of studying and efforts, so generally very long lived races can do it. High Elves, Dark Elves, certain vampires and Lizardmen come to mind. It might be possible however she draws on dark magic - different from the lore of darkness and lore of death. Its extremely self-destructive as you draw from all wings of magic without filtering them. ( Usuall the different schools are like lenses or filters. Lore of Fire for examlpe filters out all other winds but the red wind - Ashqy - so you can channel it into various spells)

[@sovelissfiremane]

"Family are such a very bad influence, aren't they Sienna?" That just hits completely differently now.

[@MrSamulai]

Knowledge? Change? Pink fire when?

[@El-Burrito]

Always just assumed she'd become an Ice Witch for some reason

[@wouju9600]

I can't imagine the fourth career being anything else but a necromancer one. Well there's also my dumbass theory that she was going to become a ice mage(witch) but, I doubt that will happen

[@smash3r01]

My original thought was a Priestess of Myrmidia, exchanging the Addictive Flames of Aqshy for the Holy Fire of Myrmidia. Espescially since the other Four have at least one career devoted to their/a patron god. But every new detail is proving me wrong.

[@aeterna789]

Magister Vigilant Sienna hunting down her sister Sofia. This also makes her a kind of Witch Hunter and thus Saltz x Sienna ship is about to sail.

[@mikena7263]

Yea İ remember reading about her becoming a Magister Vigilant and it made way more sense than a necromancer

[@gregoreisenhorn6601]

@@mikena7263 Agreed & any reference to that theory on fatsharks part would be good if even just a cosmetic.

[@Felix-Felix]

I've seen the blog post and was about to ask you if any new lines were placed. Thank you for posting this, bro. Since the beginning I assumed Sienna was gonna be a Necromancer. Shame. I really wanted a Gold Wizard.

[@connoo2890]

Damn. Looking back at all of this, with the career we have now? The foreshadowing is TOP!

[@patryk9354]

If Sienna turns out to be a necromancer type class, she will go from my least favorite to the top.

[@sauronplugawy3866]

Guess what?

[@lagoonman427]

Wonder what they gonna do with sofias corpse. Animate her? Have her as a spirit that can help them? Leech the necromantic magic from Sofia for herself? Gotta be something...

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

No need for leeching, necromacy became accessible to every sorcerer during end times

[@FuPlaayz]

We now know it's actually Necromancer!

[@valsistem]

I'm sure due to the change of flames its gonna be Winds Of Magic chaotical flames. Likely multiple ones, not one. Reason she cycled between each color but went back to normal flame at end to show she's still in control and not lost to chaos. Likely not Sienna reviving Sofia but using Winds of Death (possible reason she's pale, too) to prevent her from coming due to her necromancy aptitude. (or used her body to grow stronger)

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

...Hm... Death Magic... Or perhaps Necromancy/Vampire Magic? Hell, she might turn into a Vampire for the sake of destroying them. After all, Vlad von Carstein is on the side of Order during the End Times.

[@TheWoodWraith]

Hey I recognize that Shadow of Mordor/war tune. Nice hearing it again while Sienna descends into madness and uncertainty.

[@sadgamer8487]

Sienna: I know you are suspicious for what I have chosen, but you really shouldn't.

[@North29TH]

Now we should be

[@sadgamer8487]

@@North29TH Unfortunatly :(

[@G1ingy]

On the one hand it does feel like all these quotes pointed at her becoming a necromancer. On the other hand this might be a bit of confirmation bias. Sienna's always had bad blood with her sister, and it's well established since V1 that she's kind of on edge of losing herself to magic. Even her Unchained career is more or less her having lost herself completely. The comment on her looking pale does shift this a bit closer to Fat Shark's foreshadowing though, but it could have referred to anything else.

[@SamEstine]

Dear Janfon, please keep it up. Just like how you willed Saltzpyre's Warrior Priest of Sigmar career into existence, please do the same for Sienna. May thou remain blessed in these trying times.

[@Are567]

Fraticide

[@lefteron6804]

Not a necromancer Markus! Not a Necromancer!......Unless.....

[@ShebbyYT]

hey bud you called it lmao

[@Janfon1]

First the Warrior Priest and now the Necromancer lol

[@teeth716]

I’m getting vampire vibes: “not her choice” “started out as research” “bad influence”

[@damsen978]

1:10 referring to Sofia being her relative and a Necromancer obviously.

[@zoroark097]

I can't help but feel like this could be teasing vampirism in some way, no idea how they'd pull that off, though

[@insaniam_convertunt_scientiam]

She sounds rather _undead_ to me.

[@gorgeousfreeman1318]

I think she probably absorbed Sofia, I don't think they're going to have Sienna killed The DLC is supposed to be their response to a certain event in their life, and is supposed to be the best version of themselves. Maybe, for Sienna, necromancy is far less addicting?

[@North29TH]

Sienna said to the skeletons at the end of the trailer “Now, let’s go save the world”. That is all I need to know that Sienna is still there.

[@phantomsandmorois]

I played Chaos Wastes recently as Sienna and I heard one of these voicelines. I KNEW I should've paid more attention to them lmao. I thought, "Huh. That's funny" and never thought much else. I seriously have a singular braincell and it doesn't work half the time

[@mrschizo2837]

Important to remember that it doesn't entirely have to make sense to be added anyway. If it did, we wouldn't have things like slayer.

[@SS-kr5us]

She's a necromancer/death bringer

[@danny_decheeto8300]

The DQ lips after one sip of Chaos cool aid:

[@arxidiax2arxidiax276]

Didn’t a dev confirm it wouldn’t be a necromancy class in a Reddit post before the tower map was released?

[@vid2ification]

Masters Vigilant make sense

[@Gimli261]

Hey Janfon, do you have a database or record to hand of all these new dialogue lines? I cant' find then anywhere on the net. Cheers!

[@SianLucky6]

Amethyst Order I'd guess, it has smth to do with dead, without beeing linked to necromancy if I'm correct. It's more a wind of magic used to get rid of necromancers.

[@martinlysy]

I though it was voice of drachenfel, somehow attached to them after their quest in the castle.

[@lieuwedewolf2476]

Is the music in the background from shadow of war?

[@not_ryuka]

NOT A NECROMANCER MARKUS!

[@TK--cs4xo]

Continue shooting*

[@gregoreisenhorn6601]

oh blessed shot!

[@meanietrooper]

Right on the money

[@onurcelik8560]

no way, nurgling sienna

[@guts8909]

Even if sienna becomes a necromancer, i cant see how will that translate to the game 🤔

[@WhompingWalrus]

Given how much longer she's taken to develop than all of the other careers, I could see them slapping in a whole new system for reviving what the others have just killed for a time. Or for healing allies when she sucks the life out of rats. Or giving her lifesteal, but a slow life drain so she needs to continue to siphon life to keep swinging & casting. I mean probably not, but could be cool!

[@jabloko992]

It won't. She's not going Necromancer, mark my words. I bet 5 "I told you so"s

[@WhompingWalrus]

@@jabloko992 I'll take that bet. Best keep your skeleton locked up tight when the repo mistress comes.

[@phantomsandmorois]

@@WhompingWalrus Well... Sienna's a necromancer now lmao

[@WhompingWalrus]

@@jabloko992 I have come to gloat.

[@abox6989]

Well, you were right

[@martinmarzano1523]

Either necromancer or a shadow wizard, both are terrible. If she becomes a necromancer, then Krubes will hate her, if she becomes a shadow wizard, she will be closer to Be'lakor (which is why hes so proud of Sienna), which Saltz will hate. I never agreed Saltz apprehensive attitude against Sienna before, but after this, I will have to agree Sienna is becoming a proper heretic, not the good 'lol jk, just to make you mad' kind of heretic that is our magic addict arsonist wizard we know and love, but an actually 'flirting with chaos' kind of heretic, which is *very* bad. For the record, it wouldn't be the first time a hero turn """evil""", just look at fookin' wutelgi with her 2 evil careers, however its kind of tolerated because she's an elf, and knife-ears will do knife-ears things, it's to be expected, which is why Saltz did not jump on her throat I believe. But Sienna? She's the team grandna of the team, and the one closest to chaos, she leaning dangerously close to chaos is a *very* bad omen for the team. The only positive outcome I can see is she becoming a knight of Moor, protecting the dead instead of using them, Krubes will still not like it, but Saltz will respect her a little more for it.

[@felixdumbravescu2725]

Rely makes me worried the Ubersreik 5 might end up with atleast a -1 by the end of this story.

[@Csatadi]

So proper role players will be allowed to shoot her with ult as BH.

[@anonthe-third2367]

I feel like Saltzpyre would be more outraged by Kerillian's choices if he understood elven lore and what thise choices really mean instead of the surface level "elves stinky" attitude

[@rubz1390]

Who is the voice actor for Belakor?

[@user-rr8iy6mv5f]

A deathmage? Somehow, cause humans are allowed to use only 1 wind of magic...

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

End times => wind of death became accessible to every sorcerer. Necromacy => not a wind, but a methodology to use winds. Both are accessible

[@DaglessMc]

called it 5/5

[@Commandos12]

DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?

[@christianclark347]

RIP Order of Fury and my shield and spear wizard dreams. But in practicality, how is she gonna shoot "necromantic" magic? Just shoot cyan/purple flames instead of red ones? Kinda effin' lame if that's the case. I hope it's better than that whatever it is.

[@TheWaluigiman1]

I don't think It's Shadow/Necromancy. For one, that type of magic would not make her flames go full on rave with color. Two, Bel'lakor lies and manipulates and usually fails. After all, he said that it was his voice Saltzspure heard in the Citadel of Eternity and that is a straight up lie. Three, every class is something like a Closure or a renewal for every character. I don't think Sienna will be any different.

[@Vestein1993]

I hated killing Sofia. I mean come on guys, we waited 4th Sienna for so long and now when you finaly made brand new mage that looks exactly the same - we have to kill her? Since body ain`t founded I still hope that last career will be Sofia instead of Sienna. Elegantly mindblowing way to add a new wind to our team. I guess Olesya and Saltspyre could fix her mind and convince her joining the club.

[@simonhansson4115]

I doubt she'd go full necromancer on us.

[@jabloko992]

Noooooooooooo no no no no no no no no. There is absolutely no way Sienna is going Necro. That's a step too far. Never even mind Saltzpyre, Kerillian would straight up kill her, so would Kruber and I'm pretty sure even Bardin would struggle to accept something like that. And of course, SP himself would sooner execute her than to see her cast just 1 spell. Beyond that, it goes against her character, in it's entirety. She's all about that fire, passion, intensity. Turning her into a manipulator of the dead would be a straight up character-suicide (both literally and figuratively). Beyond even THAT, she would be wholly incompatible with all of her old gear, especially her staves. She would have like 3 staves and 2 melee weapons, because I don't see Fatshark do any more than that (Darktide still only has 4 Psyker staves lmao). It would make more sense to introduce a sixth character than to butcher Sienna like that.

[@phantomsandmorois]

Oof. She went full Necro lmao

[@flaviangsm2]

Stop getting the title when people search for gameplay to see if its worth to start playing again.