NAR: Kenneth Hagin and T. L. Osborn - Episode 48 William Branham Historical ResearchResearch Podcast

[@kristabinkley5228]

I appreciate this video. Thank you. My parents and grandparents are caught up in the WOF😢 My dad recently gave me a book by Kenneth Hagin. I recently left the Assembly of God church that we were going to for years. So refreshing to be in a reformed church.

[@Michael_Chandler_Keaton]

Amen sister! Coming to Reformed theology is so eye opening, the sovereignty of God and the depth of His providence, it's truly a special thing.

[@polares420]

Congratulations i hope you find the truth about the Reformed Church now

[@roberteaston6413]

In 1999 there was a businessman named Doyle Harrison. Also known as Buddy Harrison. He published books and was the son in law of Kenneth Hagin senior. He died of cancer at 59. At his funeral were the majority of WOF preachers because he published their books. I asked this WOF lady about his death from cancer at 59. Without any hesitation she said that he was a fake and was only in it for the money. Later this lady went to hospital because she had MS.

[@Mamo-br4nu]

Hi please enlighten me on the reformed church

[@truthwins1426]

@@Mamo-br4nu do yr research and you’ll find much..

[@donnag.3611]

I love & appreciate every video I've watched so far!!! I know it takes a LOT of time & research to present these truthful videos! I praise our Lord & Savior for the both of you!

[@kitnewlin3068]

I'm alternating between laughter and outrage. I remember it all and I still can't believe I fell for it. You're so right: "What was I thinking?????" Thanks for another great video! Bless you, guys!

[@leoandolino4668]

You are not alone!!!

[@charlesgriffiths750]

It's disturbing today how little faith pastors have in God's Word to captivate men's minds and lead us to salvation.

[@snappytherefore]

This episode brought back memories. I was at William Branham's funeral as a girl, and I remember Junior Jackson and TL Osborne speaking there.

[@BernadeteSCosta-id5bf]

Realmente eles falação em ressurreição ?vc continua acreditando nos cultos dele .eu sou do Brasil e acreditei nele 47 anos .hoje tenho depressão por tudo que vem desta mensagem ... é assim que se chama no Brasil "mensagem do profeta "

[@snappytherefore]

@@pristineclear8604 No honey, that's not really true. It's just that people say. And yes, the people were saying he was going to rise from the dead that day. I remember my momma weeping on the way home after because he didn't.

[@leoandolino4668]

This is so fascinating. It really needs to be a documentary.

[@jobrown8146]

Thank you for the diagram. It gives a really good overview. Very helpful.

[@bemoguy]

Back in the mid 1990's, there was a HUGE blow-up in the Wod of Faith Movement when late Word of Faith pastor, Fred Price did a series on Race and Religion. He played a tape of Kenneth Hagin Junior. Pastor of Rhema Bible CHURCH dropped his mask of congeniality and plainly stated from his pulpit that Black and White Christians should never inter-marry. To paraphrase it, "We can be friends and fellowship together, go around in groups and work together, but DON'T MIX THE RACES AND MARRY EACH OTHER!" Brother Price didn't say who it was, but his voice was easily recognized by those of us in the movement at the time. Junior lost members friendships, and ministry partners over it (as he should have!), and a week or so later, he issues a weak, pathetic, vague apology for saying "something" (although obviously, he was of the same mind). He showed his "true colors" that morning.

[@jerrysullivan8424]

I have Fred Price books in my library, you are 100% correct Ben.

[@lesliewells-ig5dl]

Wow! Sickening!!

[@sektekultovi]

wow, they are really all from the same nest

[@reidferguson3386]

Another great episode men. I was especially interested in T.L. Because he was such a close friend of my grandfather. He stayed in our home. We were not in The Message, but my grandfather was a “prophet” and healer, and T.L. Sometimes called my GF for a “word for the Lord.” My GF’s church was independent, but closely affiliated with Elim BIble Institute - and was certainly friendly with the Latter Rain. Great work! We knew Jim Beall well (Myrtle’s son) and I was originally ordained under the I.A.O.G. - but came out later - especially as I embraced Reformed theology and left Pentecostalism. So many connections. I.Q. Spencer was also a family friend.

[@lesliewells-ig5dl]

That's so interesting!!

[@Whereevertheymaybe]

I tell ya I am so enjoying you all's podcast, I feel like I am in college learning so much wow. Truly amazing information. Thank you for your heartfelt passion. As always the Truth sets us free. Maranatha

[@haregewinbekele8276]

What men has done to the gospel of Jesus Christ is sad. Jesus said follow me. Thank you Jesus for loving me. I will follow you to the end by the power of your name and the help of The Holy Spirit.

[@tritan004]

I want to thank God for delivering my wife and me from the Word of Faith cult. These preachers prey on the sick, but are really after their money. E.W Kenyon had a big influence on Osborn and Hagin. He taught that Jesus died spiritually and actually became sinful on the cross. This is a damnable teaching. This is teaching another Jesus. Jesus was the pure and spotless Lamb of God. He was the holy sinless sacrifice dying on our behalf. He rose from the dead and is seated at the right hand of the Father and will come again in power and great glory. " Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and he was buried, and he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. " 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 " Repent and believe the gospel." Mark 1:15

[@lesliewells-ig5dl]

I actually heard a clip of Todd White, one exposing him as a false teacher, saying that on the cross Jesus became a pedophile, a murderer, a rapist, a thief etc etc, I would definitely call that a damnable teaching!!

[@englishbiblereadings6036]

@@lesliewells-ig5dl Notice how they denigrate our precious saviour Jesus Christ at the same time as promoting themselves as gods.

[@lesliewells1062]

@@englishbiblereadings6036 Exactly!!!!

[@maximumdube2953]

Have u ever read a Bible or at least seen one before? Please go buy one and read 2 Cor 5;21, "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." 1Peter 2.24," who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree," The bible is full of too many scriptures contradicting your nice ignorant views

[@Rick2012C]

Adam died in the day that He trangressed by disobedience, when were dead in tresspasses and sin, Christ took on and destroyed the one who the devil who had the power of death

[@jackinthebox53]

Lee Vayle would talk about these guys all the time. It's true, they really did work close with the message people back in the old days.

[@jackinthebox53]

@@pristineclear8604 Like your ability to discern the truth, he died.

[@sharongilbert6712]

Thanks for your hard work!

[@dimakatsomokgeledi3999]

The fact that I joined the church thinking I will receive or have an experience with the Lord,wow this is scary 😨

[@BarbaraCarty-zc8dn]

You will have experience with Jesus when you humble yourself and seek him. Remembering His Word is always the faithful standard. Jesus is the baptized. Seek Him. He will bless you. He promised. It will be so. God bless and anoint you.

[@marcfreeman3455]

Thank you for this work of God

[@ioanfaur3200]

Work of God ?,😂😂😂😂 Those guys didn't converted a single person in their entire life, and do you call this hilarious video to be the work of God ? This is what God is doing, defaming His Own work ? Weak up, brother. How can those two atheist guys deceive you ?

[@dieselcowboy777]

No this is Satan's work coming against the message that Jesus Christ sent

[@carlosparra1777]

T.L Osborne was in PHX Az before his wife passed away at a diversified church giving a lecture. My friend said he was boring to listen too.

[@jerrysullivan8424]

When I attended TL church back in Tulsa back in the late 1980s he was not the speaker, His wife was preaching. after the sermon, the people went in line to greet TL as I did but not his wife. I was able to give him a bear hug and notice how frail he was. but he had a big smile on his face, He seem to be a very humble man.

[@fabiolahook8877]

Yes, he seemed better than the others but until now I had no idea of his close association with Branham.

[@stevenjohnson3883]

Another great video guys! I always look forward to every new one! I was a follower of Kenneth Hagin, even attended Rhema its second year didn’t graduate, praise the Lord! But I knew there was always a gap they seemed to hide about Hagin. He talked about when he was a pastor, then he goes into the evangelist field in 1949. After that there are mentions of some meetings, especially when he claims to have had one of his phony visions. But I noticed how they never gave much detail then suddenly jumped to his move to Tulsa and shortly thereafter Rhema. You guys have filled in so much about William Branham. But when I went to Rhema the word was Branham was ok until the end. But they never elaborated much. I began to suspect that there was more of a connection between Hagin and Branham but didn’t know where to find it until you guys came along. The other little thing that got me a while back is when you mentioned Branham’s favorite song “Only Believe” which was Hagin’s theme song for his radio broadcast. I was in the movement from 1973 until 1982. Thank God I am free! Again, thank you for your research and information, it has filled in many missing links. Love your books I have given you 5-star reviews a while back! By the way I recently published my own book on Kenneth Hagin, and I do list you as a resource! You guys are doing wonderful awesome work!!!!!!

[@lesliewells1062]

That is really interesting!!

[@bemoguy]

What's the name of your book?

[@lesliewells1062]

@@bemoguy I would like to know that too!

[@kevinevans8892]

​@@lesliewells1062 me three

[@kevinevans8892]

@@bemoguy it's Deconstructing Kenneth Hagin

[@bonitagrindle8313]

If someone came up to me huffing, puffing, and hissing, I would not walk away. I would run away as fast as I could.

[@DrWasambla]

😂😂😂😂😂 Bolt would have nothing on you!

[@ivanasimic2072]

One of the best videos, so much good informations

[@nickconner8443]

I heard Hagin in the seventies, more than once say that the Lord gave him a word of prophecy in the presence of Gordon Lindsey. He did not give names but it was readily apparent it applied to William Branham, AA Allen and Jack Coe. He says that he and Lindsey appealed to the prophet to stop teaching the false doctrine and stick with being a prophet. He seemed to still believe that Branham was gifted as a prophet. Also, Hagin did not learn the word of faith from Branham or Christian Science or Latter Rain. His conviction on confessing the word came out of his own experience as a boy in 1932. A former AG pastor in the eighties says this was exactly what he taught in those early days of his ministry prior to the Latter Rain or knowing Branham. It is true that TL Osborn was greatly influenced by Branham. Hagin was not. Hagin readliy condemned foolishness like not going to the doctor or claiming a dead person is healed.

[@laiddownlife]

You're on point. It's sad that they're lumping him in and making him guilty by association. Kenneth Hagin was a true servant of God and he taught scripture and shared testimonies

[@Rick2012C]

Thank you same for me, T L encountered Jesus way before Latter Rain

[@sektekultovi]

@@laiddownlife No, he is not, he was a snake in the grass, this is why I was so deceived 30 years ago in age of 19.

[@jknga5869]

​@@laiddownlifeHagin used very little Scripture. Just enough to lead his congregation into his personal experiences. I know, I came out of a church that was under his authority.

[@laiddownlife]

@@jknga5869 if you listen to any of his messages, you'll find a lot of scriptural usage. Including his books. So that's not true. Of course I can't speak to your church. Judas was an apostle of Jesus and we know what sort of fruit he bore.

[@lesliewells1062]

Wow, thanks for making that complicated chart, Charles!!

[@ioanfaur3200]

😂😂😂😂 It's funny how you accept two atheist guys, who didn't converted a single one person in their entire life, to teach and to explain you the Christianity. They can not prove in anyway and with nothing that the Lord Jesus Christ is real in their lifes, but you accept as truth their false theories.

[@xandervideo1]

Superb video, very informative. Thank you.

[@LolaPope-s3p]

In the message, I noticed some of the deacons or ministers claimed speaking in tongue during a service with no interpret, therefore nobody's know what they are talking about when apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 14 explains how it should be done in order or hold your peace.

[@bigtobacco1098]

Where did this gift go for 1800 years ??

[@elvicsolgb]

I met Richard Gan a number of times in the church that I once was in and also in the camp meetings of the group that church belongs to. He’s the one who propounded that the seven thunders in Revelation 10 are the seven ministers that will rise up in the last days before the rapture in the seven continents of the earth. According to his teachings, these seven ministers a.k.a 7 thunders fulfilment are the culmination of the 5-fold ministry that according to the Message teaching will give the so-called ‘Rapturing Faith’ to the bride. And in connection to the Jacksonian sect of the Message, Gan also teaches the ‘Adoptionist’ version of the deity of Christ which teaches that Jesus didn’t become fully God until his baptism by John the Baptist when the Holy Spirit descended upon him and he’s declared God’s Son and the Word became flesh only that time when God tabernacled in Jesus’ flesh.

[@Charles-Paisley]

Richard Gan's interpretation of the seven thunders being seven men is actually Raymond Jackson's, he originated that belief. That was my church here in Jeffersonville. You are describing the core distinctives of the Faith Assembly - Raymond Jackson sect of the message. There is a slight difference in Richard Gan's version of Serpent Seed, otherwise he taught a nearly perfect copy of Faith Assembly's teachings from my sect of the message. Richard Gan was one of the most prominent of our preachers.

[@FrancisOngou]

​@@Charles-Paisley true

[@FrancisOngou]

​@@pristineclear8604 Gan is from Singapore..he died one month ago

[@dieselcowboy777]

@Charles Paisley no wonder you are so screwed up.... Jr Jackson's church are not message believers....they are whacked

[@therecoverytabernacle]

Thank you both!

[@ivanasimic2072]

I had no idea about T.L.Osborne and what he is saying about Branham and god in flesh. I saw him at conference in Sweden back in 90s when I was in WOF sect. Now things became clearer and clearer. From Sweden into Croatia, but before them there was Full Business Felowship sect over here...interesting to know what spider web is all of these. They got me when I was 19 and had no idea about these movements. 30 years later I learn about all of this, thanks to you gents. Thank you! God bless

[@lesliewells-ig5dl]

I know, I'm learning the truth now, from John and Charles about the Branham culture all these years later,. Next year it will be 20 years since I got out. I was so ignorant back then and all those years I was in it. I'm so glad that John and Charles and others are working so hard to get the truth out now!!

[@ivanasimic2072]

@@lesliewells-ig5dl I sharing it all over the internet here in Croatia. This is SO IMPORTANT! People have no clue how dangerous these groups are.

[@EnlighteningTopics]

Sid Roth speaking in tongues is worse than Kenneth’s. It’s a lot scarier. He’s another word of faith man.

[@Jesus_istheanswer4_theworld]

@@pristineclear8604 you hate tongues? Mercy! Tongues is a spiritual gift of the holy spirit. Hate is a strong word Pristine. 1 Corinthians 14 14 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,[b] but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.

[@Jesus_istheanswer4_theworld]

@@pristineclear8604 ohk

[@Jesus_istheanswer4_theworld]

@@pristineclear8604 ohk

[@Jesus_istheanswer4_theworld]

@@pristineclear8604 dear pristine, what WB did is nothing new. I have witnessed miracles personally so I'm not surprised when I hear his gift of descernment. Until followers of WB acknowledges that in John 14 [12] Jesus said Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. I believe WB believed in Jesus, that's why he was able to perform the miracles he did. Instead of you talking about WB everyday please talk about Jesus and believe in Jesus and I assure you, you'll do greater works than WB did. Talk about the miracle working power of Jesus. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, He turned water into wine, He fed 5000 people with five loaves of bread and two fishes, He walked upon the sea and oh! he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. When Jesus died on the third day He rose from the dead! That's the God we serve. Talk about Him. Hail the power of the name of Jesus and have faith in him and I assure you, you'll do greater works than WB . God bless you 😊

[@dieselcowboy777]

@TRADE WITH ME discernment is not a gift....and no man has had the ability to discern people's hearts since Jesus Christ did it.... So yes it is new....because it was actually Jesus Christ entering into bro William branham and doing the discernment of hearts....that was not bro William branham doing that... Jesus christ has never entered into any other man to discern the people's hearts....bro William branham was the only one in 2000 years to do that... That's why William branham was fulfilling Jesus Christ's own prophecy of the works that i do shall he do also and yet greater works shall he do for i go to my Father...

[@ThisBloke760]

I was a seventh day Adventist for 48 years until Jesus called us out. My question is, has any good Christian thing come out of America? The ones I know of are, spiritualism with Mary Eddie baker, Mormons , SDA, JW, world wide church of god. The jonestown thing now the United Methodist church.

[@sektekultovi]

nope, sadly

[@bemoguy]

I remember hearing back in the 1980s that there was massive infighting in the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship International. It made me very sad to hear of that, as I had held them in high regard.

[@jerrysullivan8424]

Ben many left the FGBM and joined this organization, "In the 1990’s, CBMC officially changed its name to Christian Business Men’s Connection, but no matter what the name, there have been tens of thousands of intentional businessmen that have made this ministry thrive. These businessmen embraced two core beliefs: share the gospel with those who don’t know the Good News and then go and make disciples: Be intentional about carrying out The Great Commission. (Matthew 28:19)." In years past I have been a member of both. "90 years in the making. CBMC began in 1930 as Christian Business Men's Committee in the United States in 1930, when a small group of Christian businessmen coordinated a series of pre-Easter prayer rallies. With the Great Depression in its second year, these men saw an urgent need for spiritual revival and took it upon themselves to plan a six-week evangelistic series of meetings at the Garrick Theater, in the Chicago loop area. Public response to the first gathering on January 6, 1931, was overwhelming, as more than 800 packed into the 800-seat facility for all six sessions. As the meetings were drawing to a close, the downtown Chicago business community wanted to continue the gatherings as more and more men were experiencing life change through their newfound relationship with Christ.

[@lesliewells-ig5dl]

​@@jerrysullivan8424 interesting!!!

[@bemoguy]

@@jerrysullivan8424 wow! I had never heard of them!

[@leoandolino4668]

@@jerrysullivan8424 I once attended a meeting of FGBM in KC MO in the early 1990's and as I recall a gentleman stated that Branham had wrong teaching but was used of God. Not exact quote.

[@roberteaston6413]

David Wilkerson would not speak at a FGBMI meeting because they preached the prosperity gospel.

[@robertparsons313]

Fantastic research, guys! Wow.

[@helenr4300]

really appreciate your studies, and the chart is so useful

[@therecoverytabernacle]

Excellent work

[@Star-dj1kw]

❤❤ Great Research!!

[@susandumbill8805]

A great deal of confusion here. I'm from a House Church & Charismatic background in the UK, still live here, & am becoming more aware of the origins & influences of people like Branham etc. I am beginning to recognise where the leaders I was under were getting their information & who & what was influencing them, which therefore influenced the rest of us. There were also cultic qualities in one Fellowship & several of us had to get away from that. If only we could keep it simple: the Gospel is simple, uncomplicated, and so should be the Christian life. We really all must keep asking Jesus for more wisdom, discernment and guidance. It should be obvious that the likes of Branham etc al were deceiving and being deceived, and we want nothing of that! I'm reminded of RT Kendall's advice: read your Bible and pray a lot. Bang on! Personally, it's enough for me now, after nearly 40 years in the above kinds of churches & Fellowships, to try to have a simpler, quieter life, less complicated, & trying to figure things out, and suss out yet another church I have recently started attending. I'm pleased to say they seem normal, and seem to care about newcomers and each other, which to me is a good, healthy sign, and I don't think it's Charismatic, but more traditional, where the Word and the Gospel are very much the focus. A refreshing change. I'm very wary though, & am not willing to allow anyone to lead me astray if I can help it. I'm so tired of that. Let's remember - it's the HOLY SPIRIT who will lead us into all truth. GOD help us all ❤

[@trinidad2450]

I was almost sucked into a church that was preying on people’s wallets. That pastor told us we had to invest or plant a seed, I can’t remember which. Well, I gave $50 which I couldn’t afford to give, but I trusted God to provide for me. One time I was in the Ladies Room when one young lady asked me if I spoke in tongues yet. I didn’t and told her that. Something didn’t seem right, so I left that church and started going to another one. The pastor there taught from the Bible. Fast forward to today, I’m very wary of many pastors because many chose to follow the man trump, and many still do. I won’t go into more details than that. Let us keep our eyes on Jesus, He alone is the Truth. Greetings to you from Southern California!

[@janszoke]

I am also coming out of this junk after 40 years. I totally agree with you. It takes a bit of time to untangle from WOF mindset. God is so good!

[@Ruby-wise]

Interesting side-note…I learned that Kenneth Hagin prophesied William Branham’s early demise for preaching heresy…from a taped message from….Kenneth Hagin himself!! so when he passed the prophetic buck…we who were listening and memorizing his sermons in the 80’s ….heard him say this! I’d be willing to say, more than once! ( I recognized the WB name as my family carted us around to countless revival and evangelistic tent meetings).

[@CarolineAnandSiddiqui]

Please make video on Derek Prince. The evidence against him is minimal. He did a lot of good work adopting children. I believe he was a good man who got deceived. It would be very helpful to many if you made a video about him please.

[@jeffdobbins2147]

Thank you for this information! Something you could add to the chart is that coming out of Maranatha Campus Ministries was Every Nation. EN was formerly called Morningstar, but Rick Joyner already had that name, so they changed to EN. EN was started by three former high leaders of Maranatha; Rice Broocks, Phil Bonasso, and Steve Murrell. They are an "apostolic" movement tied to the NAR and WoF, although they do tend to be more gospel-centered.

[@ConstantCompanion]

You make it sound like we're all just too smart to fall for parlor tricks anymore. When my church disbanded I visited an IHOP for about a year on and off. The sanctuary was always blacked out. The only light in the place shined on the stage. Kind of like a magic act The pastor rigged a little demonstration one sunday.. this one wasn't even very hard to figure out but they all fell for it. Ca He put a kiddie pool to the corner of the stage filled with water. Then, at the end of his sermon, announced a flash baptism of all the people that got saved that morning. Several went up.. I couldn't really tell because it was dark. He made it appear like God told him to do this. But really, he had volunteers. Not even a very good trick, but after the service? I went up to him and said that was a pretty good trick. He laughed and said yeah. It went better than I thought it would. So yeah. People have not changed. It's always been with parlor tricks and it probably always will be.

[@DrWasambla]

Great episode as usual, thank you. It is interesting to hear that Hagin distanced himself from Branham. Winners chapel where I was unfortunate to be for many years, hails Branham as a great man of God and even have his books as part of their bible school curriculum. Here's the kicker... Apparently, Hagin is the "spiritual grandfather" of Oyedepo who is the leader of winners. Rest assured, Oyedepo teaches some wild things!!!

[@LeavingtheMessage]

That is huge! I was unaware of that connection.

[@jonathanmcclinton8730]

I don't know much about the different versions and words that the people use, but, when I look in the word Acts 20:29-30, when things gets blurry for me I just seek it out in the word it makes it clearer, well at least for me, did the sharks swim in the streets before Billy Paul laid down @ 3:33, I guess the promise was kept, remember that God loves numbers, in fact he name a book in the Bible, Numbers I believe, but again I don't know about the talk of it, but what he wants me to say

[@truthwins1426]

Oyedepo eh🚨the evangelist jd shuttlesworth n fam are in bed with these Nigerian prosperity pimps.. they love Hagin n to osbourne.what a web of hucksters ..Christian mafia.

[@englishbiblereadings6036]

My Mum had a fair few books by Hagin she bought in the 1980s. He evidently had an impact on English Charismatics back then. I still have no idea who was promoting his material?

[@FaithandFoodSecrets]

Loved the little inside joke of Charles saying he wanted the WOF to prosper. (Prosperity Gospel) Its unbelievable how gullible we all were before. I still laugh at myself wondering how i could of been so dumb to fall for anything leaders would say. Just thankful to know better now.

[@dieselcowboy777]

You are gullible because you have never been born again....and you still are listening to these 2 liars making up their own version of history that definitely isn't accurate

[@lesliewells1062]

I was so gulliable!!

[@dieselcowboy777]

@@lesliewells1062 you still are

[@lesliewells1062]

@@dieselcowboy777 I don't respond to pro Branham hate speech. All pro Branham speech is hate speech.

[@trey7572]

They did it for the money. Just like Bill Johnson, TD Jakes, Robert Morris, Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland, Steven Furtick and so on.

[@paulisaez]

Hi guys. Am I able to print this map?. Thank you for all this information. Regards from Sydney.

[@valeriegoldstein3483]

The first thing I am appalled over is what did this do to the “levitating boy” and his chance of receiving the true Gospel??

[@dannyboi_663]

It sounds like Kenneth was just laughing at how gullible his audience is.

[@lesliewells1062]

LOL!!!

[@stevenjohnson3883]

There is one tape where Copeland gets down on his hands and knees with Hagin and they are both laughing like hyena's. Like you say laughing because of the gullible followers and they are laughing all the way to the bank! There is also one video where Hagin is tapping people and of course they go into a laughing fit or some other type of fit. And one of the people he touches is Ken Jr. He falls out and goofs around. And when JR, thinks the camera has passed he quickly gets back to his seat and yucks it up with his wife. You can tell what he did when tapped he did it strictly for show!!! Hagin called it Holy Ghost meetings and they are bizarre to say the least! There are several more I have seen and clearly some people are just acting and some may indeed be controlled by a spirit but it is NOT the Holy Spirit!!!!

[@lesliewells1062]

@@stevenjohnson3883 That is so strange!! Definitely sounds like a strange form of entertainment.

[@carlosparra1777]

There is abundance of positive confession in mesa Az churches and in this message for sure. I've seen it first hand..women dies, say she's better now....healed...but she's dead. SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING about their tent, return ministry, restored message ..keep on repeating it, it'll happened😂😂 wow! We were hoodwinked...suckers. THANK YOU LORD for opening my eyes to Objective Truth.

[@lesliewells1062]

Amen!!!

[@jerrysullivan8424]

Just think how the ministry would look if Branham had not died in 1965.

[@jerrysullivan8424]

@@pristineclear8604 Yes, The Bible is clear, nothing happens good or bad without being in the will of God. this is hard for us to understand, The Bible also makes it clear, some are taken home early to protect them from falling away into more sin. All of us are called home when God knows that it is our time. while Satan is trying to find loopholes to avoid his being put into the pit of hell, God is still directing everything. It is hard for us to understand that the warfare in the heavenly is being played out upon the earth, God our creator already knows the outcome, while Satan is trying to find an escape clause to keep him from his final destination and man is in the middle of the heavenly war.

[@lesliewells1062]

That is a very scary prospect. We'll never know, which I'm glad about. I've often thought it could have come to a Jonestown type event.

[@colleentimeisup]

Kenneth Copeland copies the goofy noises of Kenneth Hagin

[@lesliewells1062]

He totally gives me the creeps!!! His laugh is weird!!!

[@Schottinthedark]

Is this chart available somewhere?

[@heidispeasmaker4809]

Have you stopped putting the sequential numbers on the podcasts? That really helped when I get behind. Thank you for all you do!

[@IC-XC_NIKA]

Guys, don’t forget Rex Humbard, also LR / MSOG.

[@BC-qb2if]

Would the FGBMFI be to the small/medium businessman what The Family was to the senior government officials and major corporation executives? Did the FGBMFI ever create prayer cells the The Family did?

[@lesliewells1062]

Goid question!!

[@jerrysullivan8424]

Not so much prayer cells like the Family as much as business connections. When I was a member it was much like making contacts for businessmen much like being an AMWAY dealer. most of us who were members were not businessmen, what I personally witnessed as a member was many were at the meetings more to hear the speakers like Branham and see the miracles. these meetings always were conducted during breakfast or the Dinner hour after the meal the speaker would give a message. However, the officers were always businessmen or pastors. As I remember it, I was a member in the late 1980s we had meetings once a month every Sat evening. I was not a businessman but was in management at my job, a deacon in my church and had many personal friends who were members

[@lesliewells1062]

@@jerrysullivan8424 That's really interesting!

[@dirtoftheearth5523]

I a little sad that it stop pop cost I hope you keep it going

[@obeedoo]

I've always said you don't have to lie to get God to heal you. (Huffing and puffing for God! LOL!!! 😁)

[@IronHorseMountainMan]

You can trace this all the way back to Genesis, the Beginning.

[@leoandolino4668]

I suspect that money, fame, prestige, self-esteem- a number of the things Satan tempted the Lord Christ with, and he outright rejected - these guys accepted- like so many others in other fields like politicians. I remember an Oral Roberts special on TV and his guest was Jerry Lewis. I was a child at the time and thought that Jerry had become a Christian. If he wasn't why was he on the show? Oral Roberts former daughter-in-law wrote a book that exposed this as well. I haven't the book but heard she stated something to the effect that he had been poor and that it had an effect on him and had something to do with his lavish lifestyle. Mike Murdock would also be an example of this.

[@esthersixberry7696]

I left the Pentecostal church when I found out that they believed Jesus was born just a man and he got born again in hell!

[@alphawulff6354]

Did you guys cover David walker levitating in another video?

[@Charles-Paisley]

Episode 15

[@jerrycole4098]

Where can one obtain a copy of this chart diagram of a Pentecostal movement

[@samwa8577]

Very good. Please remember, that Pentecostal, began in the early church, not L.A. , and is an essential truth. Just because insane beasts, used this, for profit, does not mean that the Baptism with the Holy Spirit, is wrong, in fact, it's the opposite, a vital doctrine, and praying in the Spirit, is the initial evidence, but not the only, and I feel for people, who throw this away, once they learn the facts about these terrible false ministers. 2. I thank God, that I was raised nothing, although it would have been good, to have heard the Gospel, as a child, but I did at 19, and became a Christian then, so 42 years ago. So, for those of you, who grew up, in WOF; UPC; the so-called Message, etc., I sure feel for you, but please do not leave the truths behind, such as the fact that prophets can exist, the gifts of the Spirit, and more. If needed, just don't go to any church. 3. I don't know where you are, but on the West Coast, happily, the Charismatic movement (a vile thing and NOT the same as Pentecostal, at ALL), WOF ( wicked), etc., are almost extinct. 4. I knew two people, who knew Branham, and Coe. I met "TL" once, plus Coe Jr., plus dozens more, lesser known. I knew Joe McIntyre, quite well, and many more. All were terrible people, who exchanged their souls, for punishments, hard to imagine. You can see, merely by a photo, how bad they are. Look at Copeland. He looks all messed up. Billy Graham, looks bad, the list goes on and on. 5. We forgive every one of them, with our whole hearts, and allow God, to help us, to move on, but for the love of God, please be sure, to believe the doctrines, just not these fafse pastors.

[@ourclarioncall]

Is this a Calvinist cessasionist channel ?

[@cestmoi5687]

I don't think so. I haven't gotten that impression and I've been bingeing on the videos. ​@@ourclarioncall

[@rickcampanella4254]

And all those groups think Darby lied

[@jeffhicks2425]

NAR... Not Actually Reliable

[@lovethegrandkids3732]

Charles, was your grandpa, Sam Paisley from New Brunswick who came to Lundar, Manitoba for a few years?

[@Charles-Paisley]

Yep.

[@lovethegrandkids3732]

Interesting! Lots of stories about that era!!! Wow!

[@paulahurst3415]

Why in the world would a professing Christian leader use the Masonic Lodge for anything? (minute marker 21:12)

[@BC-qb2if]

In that clip of Kenneth Hagin wasn't that his version of speaking in tongues?

[@JeanneSmith-lw8zw]

sadly your talking about many I have met and considered my "heros". I have taken your advice to stop listening to it all. Small steps to keep me from totally freaking out.

[@lesliewells1062]

I love how you trace this back to ancient Greece. Most people don't realize that this isn't anything new. It's really sad that children and grandchildren all the way down believe the stuff their elders taught that was so false! British Israelis is such an evil teaching.

[@dieselcowboy777]

Bro William branham said British Israel is a false teaching....

[@lesliewells1062]

I don't respond to pro Branham hate speech. All pro Branham speech is hate speech.

[@lesliewells-ig5dl]

​@@dieselcowboy777 I don't respond to pro Branham hate speech. All pro Branham speech is hate speech.

[@niemand262]

24:00 Ordinary People radio. False shepherds, portraying themselves as ordinary people. Gosh, that sounds like modern politics.

[@ryuhayabusa5222]

I love ur channel bet the fake ones hate it I believe God has u two n others are lifting the skirts and ripping their masks off total narcissists they are and were great vid

[@lesliewells-ig5dl]

I love it too! I needs to be done!

[@johnnyplunkett8532]

Did Rick Joyner ever confirm he saw William Branham on a throne in Heaven alongside other believers in his final quest book? It could have been A. A. Allen or someone else.

[@jerrysullivan8424]

That is a good question, I also would like to know that one.

[@theophaniccivilizationchannel]

@johnnyplunkett, I listened to one of Rick Joyner's testimony wherein he said he saw William Branham in Heaven

[@johnnyplunkett8532]

@@theophaniccivilizationchannel thanks, he doesn't name him in the final quest book.

[@lesliewells1062]

@@theophaniccivilizationchannel What a mess!

[@theophaniccivilizationchannel]

@@lesliewells1062 There is surely gonna be many who will be surprised when they get to Heaven to see many who they ruled out and regarded Hell bound there and enjoying the comfort of Heaven as victorious overcomers.

[@IronHorseMountainMan]

Maybe you could do a chart of the splinter cults of the message.

[@dianefarrell2343]

It depends on what you consider "False Doctrine" I've been told I'm a Pharisee...LOL!!!

[@hattie-thebatty-2486]

Hmm Apparently T.L Osborn was the "7th Son of the 7th Son" Reminds me of the Iron Maiden album of the same name 🎸🎤🎛 Scandal Skirt 👗 will stick with the Headbanging not the Preacher 🤘🤘

[@calebnationdaveeickenroth9753]

Are you saying the charismatic renewal was a false movement?

[@fabiolahook8877]

Well maybe it was religious hysteria with a few miracles and conversions mixed in.

[@marthasobieski4817]

Has anyone on here read “Healing the Sick”, by TL Osborn? If so, what are your thoughts about it? I read it when I was into the WOF cult and I’m curious, are all of the stories he told of all the healings truth or all lies?

[@jerrysullivan8424]

I have read most of his books back in the 1990s, all that I remember is the pictures.

[@trinidad2450]

Without having read the book, without any fear of being wrong, I’d say all his stories about healings he may have done are all lies. It’s so easy to say he’s healed folks, I’d want the proof. It’s not the healings that we should crave, rather Jesus Himself and His teachings.

[@annielyst]

What was Episode 47 and what happened to it?

[@LeavingtheMessage]

Overcoming: Forgive to Heal - Episode 47 William Branham Historical Research kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4a5opuXjMSZd9k

[@annielyst]

Thank you - wasn't sure if that was part of the Revival History series.@@LeavingtheMessage

[@rickcampanella4254]

The Yellow Pages of Apostates

[@rickcampanella4254]

His car wouldn't start

[@grahambosch6479]

Yes, we understand fully and its true the dogs are barking furiously but this CARAVAN/ THE BRIDE OF CHRIST is moving on...

[@discipleinlight]

While its true there are many false teachers and prophets this site seems to merely be an attempt to destroy faith in God and the gifts of the spirit. Thank God I had holy Spirit manifestations from day one of my walk with Jesus!

[@cestmoi5687]

It's not. I have found these videos eye opening and a confirmation of my suspicions that there are a lot of people using the purported word of God for their glory and gain. The truth is the truth. It hasn't at all shaken my belief in the gifts of the Spirit because I base that belief on the Scriptures, not on any man. But it's clear there is something very wrong with a lot of what happens in this movement. In my opinion, the well meaning people get deceived because of an obsession with signs and wonders, and a lack of emphasis of proper reading of the Bible (not cherry picking).

[@williamevmur9097]

they ALL warned Branham ...

[@LSax5631]

I don't think hagin was mentally disturbed..he was just another grifter...general grifter..

[@Jesus_istheanswer4_theworld]

Ephesians 6:18 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.

[@ourclarioncall]

Is this a Calvinist cessasionist channel ? I just ask because there seems to be so many of them now I don’t wish to debate, just want to know from which perspective/doctrinal lens things are being viewed I always try to check out what people believe before receiving from them and hopefully youl commend me 👍 Greetings from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Charles-Paisley]

This podcast this historical in nature, not particularly theological.

[@tinagentilini4166]

I've always been uncomfortable with so much of it. May I politely ask if you guys are cessationists?

[@JeniJackson-w8h]

As a follower of Derek Prince's ministry, I would be surprised if he didn't call out Branham. I recently saw a letter that he had written to Mike Bickel - giving him a sound warning - which he obviously did not heed.

[@suzanholland]

I will push back strongly on one comment, that "without those three elements you don't have Azusa Street"... Without the Holy Spirit, you don't have Azusa Street!! (all the terrible doctrines that came out of this and certainly infiltrated this "move of God" aside) The Adversary always hijacks, distracts, manipulates, attempts to destroy, etc. what God, by His Spirit, is doing. So, while pointing out the errors, we MUST stop and ask ourselves, "What was GOD up to?" grace and peace

[@Rick2012C]

Spiritual death is the broken relationship that Adam experienced when He committed the first transgression. When Jesus experienced becoming sin and separation from the God the Father.

[@lesliewells1062]

John and Charles, you mentioned that you were going to talk about something Having did in the 80s that changed things? What was that? I don't think you ever got back to that. Thank you!

[@lesliewells1062]

It changed Hagin to Having! This thing thinks it can read my mind, LOL!!

[@barbcarter690]

Azusa street is connected to Seymore. He listened to Parham, but Parham disagreed with Azusa street church.

[@phillipsugwas]

There appears to be a record of the Azuza street revivals which records an arm being renewed and restored? This linked to a factory accident. There was a resultant revival in the factory.

[@Kerygmame]

ALL evangelicals do word of faith not just charismatics, every one who stands in the altar call gets told "God says you ARE saved, just believe."That's how bad folks get into the church.

[@phillipsugwas]

I find the assessment of these groups to be descending into exremely distracting hyperbole . Is that a wise approach to follow?

[@nnodunnodu7914]

Nice soundtrack

[@Rivingtons-go3vg]

Do you have any evidence for your claim that Hagin learned about divine healing and faith from Branham?

[@Rick2012C]

Mark 11:21-23

[@phillipsugwas]

Did this gentleman (WB) have a tripartite view of mankind as opposed to a duality?

[@lovethegrandkids3732]

I’m having trouble signing in on your site to contact you as I never get the login code sent to my email

[@williamevmur9097]

what these guys do mix up truths [good and bad] with gossip and lies