NASA’s wild plan to turn the sun into a telescope

[@Seeker]

There are LOTS of details about the Solar Gravitational Lens project that we didn't have time to get to in this video, let us know what your top questions are and we'll answer them in a short!

[@animalbird9436]

Nope.still be a data refigure and false colour composite lol

[@pitthepig]

I would like to know about the challenges of transmitting data at such great distances. The telescope would be almost four times further away than voyager 1 is now.

[@animalbird9436]

@@pitthepig look on you tube for your answer..but choose credible info not bull poopoo.x

[@gnorbsl4194]

why not make longer videos or a series instead of the shorts?

[@animalbird9436]

Did u know for free you can get data and your comp makes a pic of the sky a d nasa have admitted using a similarbprogramme..lol..

[@Craneman4100w]

So, if I make it to 105 I might see an image of an exoplanet. Cool, I guess.... 🤪

[@HelloThere.....]

Depending on your age now, if you're under 50, you're very likely to make it to 105 as long as you don’t mess it up with poor lifestyle choices

[@Cnith]

Very exciting stuff! I guess the exoplanets rotation and weather will also make it harder to get an accurate idea of what it actually looks like, when you "deconvolute".

[@koiyujo1543]

Yes finally I'm so happy you guys did another video upload for stuff like this!!! I've been waiting a long time! Awesome and interesting stuff keep up the good work!

[@ivanostellato9478]

a prism expands detail .. when projected into a vanta black room will even enhance luminosity

[@Ddub1083]

a prism breaks up light and causes overlapping frequencies to spread out. not sure how on earth that would "expand detail"

[@particles343]

I heard about this. They come up with some interesting concepts.

[@timetodestination9538]

Amazing stuff! Every Seeker video gave me hope on humanity.

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[@HaloForgeUltra]

Looks like we have an exciting future to look forward too.

[@Reth_Hard]

If we ignore death and suffering, yes, very exciting.

[@Reth_Hard]

lol

[@matiulhaq7371]

never ignore death

[@ravenlorans]

Of More and More CGI????

[@drstone3418]

How about launch objects in space for gravitational single shots

[@trichardson8222]

Great video! Best yet IMO.

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[@TheTrackRecord]

If the blue marble was constructed from months of satellite data wouldn’t the clouds have moved? Or were they added on digitally?

[@stinkiaapje]

Well yes moved. The satellite basically takes a picture of a little square. If that little square turns out to be a cloud it will be white. Now it will take a picture from the next little square, most likely the cloud is still there. On the next day it does the next section but it could be that the clouds are gone, now you get an area without clouds and this will change. So you can have clouds that look like the picture even though it moved. That's why the clouds probably have weird shapes.

[@TheTrackRecord]

@@stinkiaapje thanks

[@1.4142]

The clouds are from one day, superimposed over a stacked map of the surface.

[@Ddub1083]

technically the clouds are from a period of 2 days... but the pictures of the land were taken as wassux said and they took multiple photos of the same area so that they had a complete globe without cloud cover... then they added cloud cover from a 2 day period on top.

[@chillout1109]

Fascinating 🤯🤯

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[@K0GAi.]

Jeez, that’s like 40 years from now, that is disappointing, and that is probably because we don’t prioritize accordingly. If we stopped worrying so much about war and all that detrimental stuff, we could do it probably in half the amount of time or less. 🤦🏼

[@dbystruev]

To stop worrying about wars, we need to eliminate borders and the narratives that divide countries and nations, as these are artificially constructed. Open borders lead to increased global GDP and reduced poverty, by allowing labor to move to where it is most productive. But massive population movements result in new conflicts, ultimately sparking new wars.

[@RGAstrofotografia]

Just point Webb to Sirius and use the coronagraph to image the Einstein ring of a planet around Sirius B.

[@martti1190]

Interesting

[@JustNierninwa]

That's really cool. But if angular resolution is the issue, couldn't a big telescope array do the trick? I mean, I'm not sure how much light you'd need to accumulate and I assume the Sun's light might be problematic (and from what I gather L2 is basically in the Earth's penumbra, not the umbra) and I mean if I understood correctly the VLT is basically just that? But also, it seems that, if you take an object far enough from the Sun, or large enough but with a mass still magnitudes lower than the Sun's, you could get an L2 point in the umbra (Pluto's L2 point is in its umbra). So in theory it would be possible to have a telescope even more shielded from the sun's light, especially as further out there's even less, and if there can be an array orbiting the L2 point, or a very large one with a bunch of different mirrors in a sort of parabola, couldn't we combine something that could be large without as many concerns about gravity with the benefits being further from the sun and all that?

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[@Ddub1083]

L2 isnt in the earths penumbra. it is outside of it. If it was in the earth penumbra it wouldnt need all the shielding because the earth would block all of it. the earths penumbra extends some 800,000 miles and L2 is at over 900,000 miles from earth.

[@RichardKCollins]

When you use visible light you are cutting off your options from the start. A solar system wide radio telescope will help.

[@gideonwilliams6307]

I get that we would need to be at that distance to take that photo with that resolution in that cone of light. Would it be possible to simply place 4+ telescopes in a ring to capture pieces of the image instead of at the cone's apex?

[@Ghost-soul-pirate]

Thankyou so much 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@HelloThere.....]

Do we only need to use the sun for this? Can we not utilize the other planets too? Yes the image won’t be as focused but still it's better than nothing. Gives us like 7 more opportunities each time. We can also potentially utilize planetary alignments as well.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

Only 40 years away huh? That's kinda wild. Well we'll see. Maybe I'll still be here- who knows?

[@ivsravindra]

Excited 😇

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[@BenMalas]

Where are the other Seeker hosts?

[@Ddub1083]

A better way to determine is to look for such a satellite in our own solar system. If we think about how we would set this system up to take photos of the earth, then we can look in the place where it would be possible to do and if there is a satellite there then we know there is intelligent life who thought of the same thing and sent a satellite to image earth.

[@RGAstrofotografia]

Considering that black holes, in addition to lenses, are also mirrors, we could obtain the image of the Earth, in the past, from black holes of stellar mass close to the Earth. This way we could test the algorithm to recover the image using VLTI to observe black holes less than 100 light years away. The VRO should find several of these objects from 2025 onwards. #HospicioToday

[@syahali979]

great idea

[@Pseudo___]

... that date is gonna push

[@kkolomoisky]

Are you sure it called magnification of the light and not concentration of the light? You magnify the object by concentrating the light in the focal point.

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[@nathanjohnson9715]

someone should create a chart with distances from known exoplanets and the respective distances to the "sweet spot" for gravitational lensing. Or better yet, is there an equation to figure this out myself?

[@jakubiskra523]

The distance stays mostly the same. 550au

[@Rmm1722]

cool

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[@glennnile7918]

Why can't we use a telescope on or around the Earth that uses our sun as a gravitational lens?

[@abinjoseph9808]

iam glad even with a low bduget for cgi, they did a good job

[@HugoTron]

This. Is what I like to see. Outside of the box and logical video with facts. Thank you for the upload. I want to hear the male commentary. Not female. Thanks.

[@M.Chief99]

I don’t exactly understand. How are we supposed to see an object behind another object? In this case, an exoplanet behind the sun?

[@Xplosivo2319]

the sun bends the light because of his enormous Gravity... what we analyse is this bended light

[@EstamosDe]

So, an advanced civilization, may have a swarm of satelittes as a sphere around an star to look in every direction?

[@radivojr]

No, they have antigravity and chronovisors, just like our shadow government

[@Ddub1083]

be easier to just have a single satellite that can change orientation.

[@EstamosDe]

@@Ddub1083 It wouldnt be able to look everywhere at once in that case, but with a swarm it could, station like

[@monopolybillionaire5027]

We should lazer scan space at the speed of light

[@kingwillie206]

That’s already been done.

[@jari2018]

So if Alpah Centauris planets are much close the 1000x1000 pixel image would be much more detailed - over 2000x2000 and if one wanted an imperfect image on could take a picture earlier - a 256x256x is ok to identify someting and 512x would be even better

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[@MajinBuuuuu]

moral of the story... we won't see this happening

[@williamb9389]

I am starting to see a lot of these kinds of statements… probably because people are disappointed in the JWST to some degree. Why aren’t we looking at potential exoplanets MUCH closer to earth? It drives me insane that we are focused on these objects billions of light years away. There are plenty of potential exoplanet candidates much closer to us. Some of those should provide much better images.

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[@Ddub1083]

ummm the closest star is 4 light years away... currently no telescope is able to image an exoplanet even at only 4 ly... we only can infer their presence by looking at the light from their star.

[@agxai]

Are we Alone? obviously not!

[@valdezwashington8334]

Finding life outside of our solar system doesn't make a difference if we'd never be able to reach them. Say we found life saaay just a thousand light years away.. that would mean it took that light 1000 light years to reach us. How would we know that life is still there at our current time

[@monopolybillionaire5027]

Things take too long I'll be dead before they even start this stuff

[@GOLDCOASTROLLOUT]

52 seconds in, anyone else see a face ☺️

[@jadusiv]

The would also need to block the noise generated by the suns corona, but AI should eventually be able to do this. It would require a second object out in front of the telescope. Sending a satellite out this far to image a single planet is considered somewhat ridiculous unless we somehow found an amazing single candidate for life or received a radio signal from a nearby planet. You’d also likely still need to make some incredibly quick and massive adjustments in speed and location, meaning this isn’t very feasible until we have very small efficient fusion drives. These would also allow targeting of more planets. The tech is at least 40-50 years off, not including the time spent getting there. The optimal focal distance is also likely as far out as 900 AU. I wouldn’t expect to be seeing any closeup shots of exoplanets in our lifetime. Maybe after 2100 or so.

[@nonwibb]

Humans live for a while

[@sgbench]

"You'd also likely still need to make some incredibly quick and massive adjustments in speed and location..." Why do you think that?

[@jadusiv]

@@sgbench The positioning has to be perfect, and it will change over time.

[@sgbench]

@@jadusiv First, the positioning doesn't have to be perfect. Gravitational lenses have depths of field just like optical lenses do. Second, I don't think the mission is designed for long-term imaging. The satellite would simply continue on its linear outward trajectory and take photos while it's in the field of focus.

[@ivanostellato9478]

that fake earth image was drawn more than photographed ... interferometry with a visible clock referencer

[@alejandromorazan3420]

Cant we just use the cameras of a galaxy s23 ultra instead of those fancy telescopes? Lol jk

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

2060? I should still be around.

[@protectork9831]

Imagine instead of ficing billions to Ukraine, Isreal, and trillions to wars in the Middle East ; we focused on exploring the universe

[@moflyboyblanquito541]

Find a mirror of sorts out there and look into our past.

[@staygolden9264]

TELESCOPE? YOU MEAN A 5000x POWER MAGNIFYING GLASS IN A TUBE POINTING AT THE SUN? WHAT CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG

[@drstone3418]

How much of a planet's mass is moons or rings.or close orbit

[@Ddub1083]

0, a moon or rings are not part of the planet.

[@attakorns]

Instead of putting a new telescope 550au from our Sun, why don’t we use an existing telescope and a different star that is 550au from the telescope instead?

[@javiej]

Because the closest star (Proxima Centauri) is approximately 200.000 AU from us.

[@attakorns]

@@javiej Ahh thanks mate!

[@tramsgar]

Why does a science channel "translate" from km to mi?

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[@lolums1458]

Bunch of squares in space

[@lllololoollollooolll8698]

Why don't they ever give us high res mile long images of planets, I'm sure they have ways of getting through the planets atmosphere. I just want to see the ground in detail...

[@pitthepig]

What? You didn't watch the video??

[@user-Aaron-]

@@pitthepig That was my initial reaction too, but I think they're referring to the other planets within our solar system.

[@pitthepig]

@@user-Aaron- maybe, but we have images from the surface of Mars, Venus, and some comets. The gas giants don't have a real surface, so I guess this guy doesn't know what he's talking about

[@Razalipuchong]

Edit

[@greenfoxes5903]

Lets hope we can maintain our own civilization by then. The planet is going to be a very different place in 2060. Climate change is going to reshape our world.

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[@brokinglet5483]

Holy ads!!! Great video though

[@Assertiveman]

Not nasa america* becsuse they pay for it

[@Nathan-ki4qn]

Allright then i will find a sooner solution for this, bazinga..

[@herbertaponte8431]

No way something can reach us because we are all there is, no?

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[@nu-beings]

These guys aren't thinking outside the box enough...just build transmitters and receivers that are solar powered by energy pods/batteries/generators, then strategically place them on the Moon and Mars based on a mathematical computation of orbital rotation and distance, since both are further out in space than Earth, and then build a telescope and place it on Mars. The telescope takes the pictures and sends the data back to Earth through the transmitter/receiver pipeline from Mars-Moon-Earth. This may take several years to build, transport, and implement...but it's better than their idea in this video. Just saying...

[@pitthepig]

What's the point of putting a telescope in Mars instead of orbiting the Earth? And why would you need a receiver in the Moon to relay any signal coming from Mars? The Earth and the Moon are basically at the same distance from Mars.

[@luispacheco9936]

your point is moot. example: if I wanna watch birds from my porch, but the birds I want to watch are in a park 10 miles away, I won't be able to see them. So I get a little closer by trying to watch from my neighbor's porch. It won't work. The distances are literally astronomical. That is why building a telescope to take a decent image would take 1000's of kilometers of space. Putting it on mars would be like taking 2km off that price tag.

[@nu-beings]

@@pitthepig You clearly didn't read the plan. It's the same reason we run fiber optics under the ocean from coast to coast. Latency is the issue they're having with the Earth-bound telescope's ability to clearly capture an image from deep space.

[@nu-beings]

@@luispacheco9936 You are also missing the point...the issue is latency...it's about shortening the distance the image has to travel...if your neighbors house even a little closer your view would be that much more improved...so the point is actually not moot at all.

[@egirlbadeline]

No, you don't understand the scale involved. Mars is at most 3 AU away from Earth, the exoplanets are MILLIONS of AU away from our solar system. The idea isn't to send little cameras towards the exoplanets, it's to use the entire sun as our camera lens. To do that, we need to look from 900 AU away from the sun.

[@paulcedeno6187]

Bro stop peddling lies the Blue marble is a composite of Earth it's not a picture bro stop the lies

[@sicfxmusic]

Don't worry we won't stop you from enjoying the perks of scientific innovations.

[@Ddub1083]

it is a composite of photographs...

[@paulcedeno6187]

@@Ddub1083 yeah that's what they say and there black and white so they put in color clouds and all kinds modifications to make it look realistic

[@kingwillie206]

@@paulcedeno6187 - Look at imaginary of live launches and footage from the international space station if you want to see what Earth looks like from space.

[@hillbillytarzan]

I know. CGI

[@donnamoss7480]

Photoshopped earth pic

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[@stevechance150]

The money for JWST would have been better spent tracking near earth asteroids. Who remembers the 2013 meteor in Chelyabinsk? If we can avoid annihilating ourselves with nuclear weapons during the next 100 years, we will likely have a decent planetary defense system for astroids, and perhaps in 2 to 3 hundred years, a defense against rogue comets.

[@Spimmick]

Lol

[@alphaalex8821]

Asteroid tracking is done already and it is still being done on the daily.

[@ravenlorans]

Dude, It's ALL Bullshit! It's ALL CGI! Open Your Eyes! "Because It, It Has to Be!" Quote From a NASA Employee who Makes Images of the Earth from CGI.

[@ivanostellato9478]

your lense and capture system diminish light and resolution like fuel in a tanl weighs itself against its own use ... so silly ... relative light sealing enhances your scopesz ... but you built OPEN AIR ? "SCIENTISTS" "ENGINEERSZ" are you sure ???

[@biggie9935]

Bs. The sky is falling too.

[@fire_n_ice1984]

Makes for some cool Scifi though.

[@Yassinius]

First

[@gokudoge7588]

Ok