A way to explore Venus

[@NASALANGLEY]

Thanks for all your comments. The team says this about the robots versus humans observation: The video shows a human mission that’s part of a multi-phase campaign to explore and potentially settle Venus. Before the mission in the video occurred, there would be similar robotic missions to test the technologies and better understand the atmosphere. Eventually, a short duration human mission would allow us to gain experience having humans live at another world, with the hope that it would someday be possible to live in the atmosphere permanently (hinted at in the closing shot of the video).

[@professorbland]

but why would we want to live on venus? Unless we terraformed it somehow, what profit would we receive for the risk and expensive cost? Doesn't a moon-city make more sense to start? Making a "spaceport" on the moon seems like a good place to begin. It's closer than venus, has low gravity, no atmosphere, and is geologically inert. Why is the moon not a first option for colonization given the benefits to space missions its low gravity/re-entry provides? Launch and return without wasting rockets, materials, and extra fuel. From there, assemble/launch venusian expeditions.

[@3D_is_Superior]

professorbland It was outlined that the upper atmosphere of Venus has conditions that are similar to earth such as Gravity (Around the same) and atmospheric pressure. The radiation astronauts would face is similar to that of people living in Canada, as opposed to a moon/mars base, where you would be blasted by radiation due to a lack of an atmosphere shielding you from it like back here on earth. furthermore, Lando Calrissian & Cloud city. That is all. Actually no, one more thing: I agree that we should ALSO set up bases: Inside a huge asteroid for mining (a protoplanet would be the best candidate) and research, and on the moon for the same reason. We could possibly find rare game changing and invaluable resources that maybe are non existent on earth (or too deep for us to reach)... Maybe one rare resource out there can power that warp drive you are working on NASA.

[@BiohazardPL]

professorbland When you consider living there for long periods of time, low gravity is actually a con. It will kill you, and probably before that, prevent reproduction (but we still have to check that).

[@professorbland]

Adam Kudelski robot avatars duh. :D

[@uglygod92]

Don't forget about Mars

[@NASALANGLEY]

Now about the "zeppelin" concept and possible use for Earth re-entry: The lighter than air vehicle is not being used for re-entry, but instead is the final payload delivered to Venus: it allows the crew’s habitat and ascent vehicle to stay at the desired altitude without needing propellers or jets (as a heavier than air vehicle would). Because of its heavy atmosphere, Venus is even better for the use of airships than Earth. Thus, the lighter than air concept doesn’t really have any application to re-entry at Venus or Earth (it inflates during terminal descent, but isn’t providing much stopping power itself).

[@msjavier1320]

Exelente

[@christopherhindman5336]

You NEED more funding!! This needs to happen within my lifetime. Tomorrow would be great....

[@TheRedStarZ]

Christopher Hindman I second your proposal

[@professorbland]

shouldn't we put a facility on the moon first? I mean all of this escape and re-entry stuff seems silly. Just have the space program launch from a permanent base on the moon.

[@stephenclemente2122]

professorbland I think America has paved the way for the rest of the world to set up shop there. It's up to American corporations to piggy back from there, I think.

[@sinkezie]

It's so much harder in Kerbal Space Program

[@HebaruSan]

Should be OK if we can get stock balloons or an update for Hooligan Labs.

[@Kennychan222]

I want this in Kerbal Space Program! Buildilng the floating city in Eve (Kerbal Venus!)

[@fett716]

#occupyvenus

[@meesalikeu]

Der Kommissar that will probably get as far as the wall st version did unfortunately.

[@rebeccak5349]

YEAH!

[@josephegleston8834]

Who else watched this because of PBS Spacetime?

[@Dupreism]

+Joey Egleston Yep

[@xxdiamondxx2817]

right her e

[@jakethespaceman9896]

Ayyyyy

[@liberval9425]

Yup.

[@ingmar1870]

Ha HA, not me! Just kidding, yes.

[@NASALANGLEY]

To answer Erik G whether we could have a blimp like vehicle fly on Venus like that ... one of the study engineers replies: The size of the airship is based on having enough lifting gas (in this case, helium) to support the weight of the astronauts’ habitat and ascent vehicle. Once the airship reaches its target altitude of 50 km, it will be able to keep itself aloft.

[@marioq912]

but could it with stand the tempter and atmospheric preasur

[@unclefixer]

Mario Quinones simple at 50KM the temparture and the atmospheric pressure are not very high only slightly above earth normal. You would have to get much lower to experience the higher tempertures and the pressure found at the surface. I do assume they could lower a pressure vessel down low enough to sample the lower atmosphere or even launch a autonomous probe to go even lower.

[@DrAElemayo]

unclefixer There have been probes that landed on the surface, but they didn't last long. Not longer than I week, I believe (but that was expected.)

[@unclefixer]

The Rude Duststorm I think the record for probe surviving on the surface of Venus is just a few minutes shy of 2 hours. I think it was an hour and 55 minutes. I mean it is 870 degrees, and a pressure of nearly 1400 psi nothing can last long under that much heat and pressure.

[@james5460]

***** Why not use some of your hot air, you are full of it, after all.

[@mhklein57]

Bravo, NASA Langley! This sounds like a great idea. Has anything happened with HAVOC lately? Is anybody in NASA considering taking the concept further?

[@NASALANGLEY]

Not at this time.

[@mhklein57]

NASA Langley Research Center Thank you for replying! It's a shame, though. HAVOC really does sound like a promising idea. I hope NASA decides to take the concept up again. The team that put it together deserves a lot of credit.

[@Akeboun]

NASA Langley Research Center How is this possible, venus is the hottest planet in our solar system, everything we have sent there has melted billions of miles before even reaching the atmosphere

[@mhklein57]

squidplaysSTUf Oh, but that's the beauty of the plan. From what I understand, at the altitude that the zeppelins would operate, the Venusian atmosphere has a temperature and pressure close to Earth's atmosphere at sea level. That would make that altitude an ideal environment from which to explore Venus. I hope NASA reconsiders this project in the future. It sounds really promising.

[@Akeboun]

Michael Klein ok but that doesnt explain how we would get to the planet itself without melting.

[@thewanch12]

now do it in ksp.

[@Nebukadnezzer]

Maybe we should be going to Venus instead of Mars.

[@Icybubba]

+OldBoy Definitely I mean there is a reason it is called Earths twin planet.

[@misterysmithers8566]

Yes, nothing says "welcome" like a sulfuric acid atmosphere!

[@snoobeedoobee]

Also the gravity on Mars could be harmful to our skeletal structure

[@Kennychan222]

Just do it! Build a cloud city and we will live fine~!

[@yamaslushy9461]

@@misterysmithers8566 Precisely why they will build it above the acidic clouds. Also that's manageable.

[@paulwebb2078]

Let's wreak HAVOC upon Venus.

[@jakethespaceman9896]

Eyyyy *fonz move*

[@robertsina1550]

No way in hell

[@rblxtutorials1881]

nice joke about nasa zeppelin

[@NASALANGLEY]

Here are some answers to some of the comments below: Engineers and scientists NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia have a long history of studying what is or might some day be possible in aviation and space exploration. That is particularly true in NASA's Systems Analysis and Concepts Directorate where some of our brightest minds generate advanced concepts and futuristic ideas. In that spirit two NASA Langley engineers in the Space Mission Analysis Branch, with the help of four summer students who did analysis and proof of concept demonstrations, did a preliminary feasibility study about how robots and humans might be able to better explore our nearest planet neighbor, Venus. They called it HAVOC - High Altitude Venus Operational Concept. Here is more about their concept from Aerospace Engineer Christopher A. Jones of the Space Mission Analysis Branch: "The atmosphere of Venus is an exciting destination for both further scientific study and future human exploration. One concept is a lighter-than-air vehicle that could carry either a host of instruments and probes, or a habitat and ascent vehicle for a crew of two astronauts to explore Venus for up to a month. According to our High Altitude Venus Operational Concept (HAVOC) study the mission would require less time to complete than crewed missions to other planets, and the environment at 50 km is relatively benign, with similar pressure, density, gravity, and radiation protection to the surface of Earth. The kind of multi-decade mission that we believe could succeed would be an evolutionary program for the exploration of Venus, with focus on the mission architecture and vehicle concept for a 30 day crewed mission into Venus’s atmosphere. Key technical challenges for the mission include performing the aerocapture maneuvers at Venus and Earth, inserting and inflating the airship at Venus, and protecting the solar panels and structure from the sulfuric acid in the atmosphere. With advances in technology and further refinement of the concept, missions to the Venusian atmosphere can expand humanity's future in space. We have presented the concept to some local universities and plan to present a paper at an upcoming conference in January. The video on the NASA Langley KZbin Channel is part of that presentation and paper. The video is showing a manned mission that’s part of a multi-phase campaign to explore and potentially settle Venus. Before the mission in the video occurred, there would be similar robotic missions to test the technologies and better understand the atmosphere. Eventually, a short duration human mission would allow us to gain experience having humans live at another world, with the hope that it would someday be possible to live in the atmosphere permanently (hinted at in the closing shot of the video)." NASA has no current plans to fund this concept.

[@james5460]

I have seen videos along this general theme from the Walt Disney television show in the 1950s. You, being an expert in this field, no doubt know all about them. For the benefit of others who may not have seen them, these absolutely brilliant videos showed Wernher von Braun proposing some of the most amazing concepts in the history of the Space Age. We are talking of proposals for entire fleets of spaceships heading to the outer planets, multi-stage armies of craft that would settle the entire solar system. Look, I am no enemy of NASA. Concepts are brilliant to dream about. However, this Venus stuff reminds me of those 1950s proposals, which are no nearer to fulfilment now than they were then. They were brilliant, unattainable dreams from a genius, nothing more.

[@james5460]

***** 'Eventual colony.' LOL, nobody is talking about a colony on Venus, why don't you try watching the video before commenting.

[@james5460]

+NASA Langley Research Center Next step LOL. Yes, when a baby is rolling in its crib, its next step will be colonizing the Alpha Centuri system. This is all vapid sci fi nonsense, there is no "next step" regarding Venus that involves anything except an occasional probe that will take more useless pictures.

[@rolirolster]

+James There are people that say you can and people that say you can't. That's OK as long as the people who say you can't stay out of the way of the people that say you can/

[@mattpelzek3809]

+James Is a small step not more safe than a giant leap? We have little to prove if Alpha Centauri C has planets ready to be colonized and terraformed. The big planets of our system: Mars, Venus, Ceres, Saturn, and the like are far closer.

[@ViperEye]

They better call this city "Bespin" or something.

[@diegobalaguer4726]

why such name?

[@ViperEye]

Diego Balaguer It's from Star Wars, "Bespin" is the name of the gas giant Cloud City was hovering over. Seems fitting. ^^'

[@Charles-7]

Vib3s with that name, they can easily attract tourest.

[@enorupted]

Idk but havoc sounds cooler

[@benowate69]

They should call this project Hindenburg

[@tavoelninja]

WHEN!!?? I would like to see something like this on my lifetime :(

[@dindi6986]

:(

[@HadrosaurHero]

if only we would be more focused on Venus instead of Mars. it is a shorter trip reducing many of the problems we have going to Mars, Venus has more gravity, and it had an atmosphere to protect against radiation. Also sky cities are awesome.

[@ГаврилоПринцип-х1л]

Also the hottest planet in the solar system, 93 times earth atmospheric pressure, and literally raining sulfuric acid

[@RonaldoTheGoat1234]

@@ГаврилоПринцип-х1л we put it above the clouds you numb skull

[@mariop8101]

@@ГаврилоПринцип-х1л it's 30ºC 1 atm

[@ГаврилоПринцип-х1л]

@@RonaldoTheGoat1234 imagine the logistics of setting up a sky colony, we should start with interplanetary colonizing with something easier

[@RonaldoTheGoat1234]

@@ГаврилоПринцип-х1л technically interstellar colonizing is more impossible than Venus

[@theallknowingorbitalteapot1010]

If only this received more funding, it's waaay more viable than Martian colonization

[@L5Resident]

Who's ready to say hi to life on another planet? (Even if they are just Microbes)

[@blackcid]

Please, forget Mars and do this! Venus is the most similar planet to Earth, Mars is a tiny ball with a low gravity! Put a human flying over Venus would be more awesome than one human walking in Mars.

[@Kennychan222]

and much closer to Earth than Mars!

[@thespaceofades2734]

I think the reason people insist on going to Mars is because it shows how far we can go.

[@nilslorand]

@@thespaceofades2734 Well you see the reason the blimps here stay at 50km is because the atmosphere just gets hotter and hotter below that. Mars on the other hand is relatively cold

[@yamaslushy9461]

@@thespaceofades2734 The gravity on mars is so low our bone mass will deteriorate.

[@jeffvader811]

People forget that the main point of these missions is to do science, not just to go because it's awesome (although it is really awesome). We should do Mars and Venus, it isn't either or.

[@cardinal_thrill5]

Was imagining if we actually happened to be the only (or most) advanced species in the entire universe, and how this sorta technology would then be the most advanced sci-fi alien tech in the universe and what a massive thing that is. Then the credits roll and they’re being all goody

[@alexmcbride7563]

Since I was a child, I always thought that Venus would be out of the reach of human because of the planets hostile and hellish surface. I didn’t think about the possibility that Venus’s atmosphere would be safe for human exploration. This just excites me a lot. I love the idea NASA, well done! I wonder though, which planet will be easier for maned missions, Mars of Venus? Both planets have their fair share of challenges we’d need to overcome.

[@mikemoore9092]

I hope 1 day we managed to terraform both of them.

[@DGP406]

I love you guys, you are a ray of hope amidst so much shit happening in our world

[@kooyah6420]

1:58 I know I'm late, but how would that work exactly? The suitable atmosphere (around 50 km) still has similar gravity to Earth's, and that's not taking into account the hurricane-level winds in Venus's upper atmosphere. Low gravity on the moon is what makes takeoff in a lunar module so easy, so the amount of force needed to fire a module from Venusian gravity would most certainly harm the integrity of the airship it's trying to use as a launchpad. Wouldn't it'd be like trying to make an Elephant bounce off a trampoline?

[@222cubing8]

Huh? They don’t care about the blimp after the crew is in the rocket.

[@starshipsn-9513]

Maybe this concept should be revisited if that phosphine discovery's potential biological origins are confirmed

[@LaszloEDM]

Hell yes. this is so exciting

[@james5460]

***** It is a lousy idea that the majority of people on here are laughing at. I'm sure the people at NASA are laughing about this behind the backs of their superiors as well. Having known some of them, I can tell you how hilarious they must think this nonsense.

[@Icybubba]

+Jerry C Christains are not really anti-science we have our belief and we can figure out how to make it go with science, but that is besides the point, I would be all for this sky city colony on Venus MUCH more then I am for a Mars colony

[@ChadOstrowski0]

The depiction of the clouds at about 1:48 look suspiciously Earth-like to me. Is this an accurate depiction? In other descriptions of Venus, I've read that the _base_ of the clouds starts at about 50km, or that they're _thickest_ at about 50km (the altitude of this air ship). Would there be any view at all, or would an onboard human see nothing but yellow haze out the windows? Other questions: would the strong winds cause potential problems? How long would it take to go around Venus? Would the ship be carried around Venus about every 4 Earth days, carried along in the super-rotation of Venus's atmosphere, or would it attempt to propel itself slightly faster so that the humans would have a familiar day-length?

[@krillemy]

Every big space programs in the world should be using a flag representing Earth instead of their own national flag.

[@mrmaxwellgeorge]

I know. Put away petty politics and lets unite Humankind for once.

[@louididdy]

It's funded with United States of America tax dollars, so the red, white and blue stays!

[@simpleknock7987]

Well if it is funded by a certain country funded by tax payers I would think people would want that flag to be there to show their accomplishment.

[@Gorilder]

UN should fund a private organization or make their own space agency then.... These U.S. agency's and companies are using the hard earned tax dollars and inventions that the U.S. has accumulated over the years as do all other countries with their endeavors. If it was a global effort then we put more flags on but unfortunately it's not..

[@InternetSavage]

That's fucking gay.

[@NicosMind]

Look children do you see that? That's how baby spaceships are formed.

[@rkpetry]

Clever name might be 'VHALE' for Venutian High Altitude Linger and Egress; (just thinking).

[@SchmoopyTheSpy]

lol at the guy typing at 1:53

[@sureiguess1]

he's like LA DEE DA DEE DA!!!!

[@ortherner]

lol

[@jarras3167]

jskddjjdbc

[@ilhamgusmar2391]

He is playing bongo

[@jasonjack7349]

@@ilhamgusmar2391 yeah looks like airdrums to me

[@david_martin_per]

Well, well... I think this just got relevant again!

[@Gerardjw]

I love these concept videos from NASA !

[@milky_wayan]

Question: Would it be possible to use a reusable vehicle to enter Venus, land on some kind of floating runway, then take off again? I just think a Venus shuttle would be awesome. Seems wasteful to need a balloon every time you're going to the floating cities, then have to dispose of it.

[@bricology]

What do you mean by "to enter Venus"? No one is proposing landing *on* Venus. The concept is for there to be a "floating city" inside of a large airship.

[@Formerlytrouserttrout]

You guys do not disappoint with your videos

[@MrThech]

The phase where the balloon inflates look very risky, i like your guts.

[@bhoopathis9660]

Doing great job NASA. I'm really excited

[@ManjitSingh-kr6mi]

Explore Venus is awesome 🇺🇸👑💕

[@Bombasticboogaloo]

A steampunk, zeppelin paradise. I hope one of the future sky cities on Venus will be named Albion XD

[@drewsylva9432]

Is that the reference I think it is?

[@QWEStudios]

If we were able to create a substantial HAVOC program on Venus as a permanent settlement, how long would it take for the public to be opened to the possibility of living there? Would this call for multiple HAVOC's to be placed in Venus's atmosphere?

[@africanelectron751]

Would it not be possible to introduce a catalyst into the atmosphere that could help convert the CO2 into solid carbon. Pressure and temperature would drop and we could then colonize it.

[@DAViDD767]

Good idea

[@QrayzHD]

I don't see why not, but then again i also have no idea what you just said.

[@TheFleming98]

One issue with Venus is that it rotates ridiculously slow, so with the surface being made habitable astronauts would have to adapt to longer days and nights.

[@Reilly444]

Why would you want to get rid of CO2? It's the least toxic thing in Venus's atmosphere.

[@TheFleming98]

Reilly444 The intention would be to reduce CO2 to reduce surface temperature due to a runaway greenhouse effect. The reduced surface temperature would condense some other toxic gases and would also make surface exploration much easier.

[@icecream_potato]

Hi nasa! I’m really hoping I get to go to space sometime! I saw your comments and I like what you said! Please wish me luck if I ever end up there.

[@WilkineBrutus]

Fascinating...I can't wait to see NASA advancements 20 years from now.

[@james5460]

Wilkine Brutus They've done nothing in the past 20 years but go backwards. Now they can't even put a man in orbit, at least they used to be able to do that.

[@Zopdoz]

***** Hold your horses there bud, to say that NASA has done nothing but go backwards ever since the last Apollo mission is insane! A lot of projects have been studied & completed ever since, so that claim is absurdly stupid to be quite frank! The ISS is the largest artificial body in orbit, & it is constantly manned, so, again, you're spouting nonsense .. The only downgrade NASA had, was not continuing its outer space manned flights to Mars & beyond, but at least we have probes with all kinds of capabilities orbiting almost all our solar systems planets.

[@fofopads4450]

***** you are funny dumbass.

[@james5460]

NASA, big talkers who can barely keep the ISS resupplied. And they're going to do fancy maneuvers in an atmosphere nobody has ever been near. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. If I want sci fi, there's a whole cable channel for that, we don't need it from NASA.

[@pinchhitter1254]

+James It's actually possible to do! With regards to the ISS I think they have transport issues in getting there: the only way to get there right now is by paying the Russians millions of $$$ to hitch a ride on their Soyuz capsules.

[@Ibrahim-kq9er]

What's the name of the soundtrack that starts around 1:33

[@Kpop-eye-f7t]

Humanity should be more invested in Human exploration and habitation of the Moon and the Venusian atmosphere than Mars. Robots can explore the Martian and Venusian surface for the time being.

[@FillingTheGap1]

This is extremely inspiring great job on the concept and video.

[@Inmate80]

Please tell me what's the name of the song playing NASA!

[@jayou812a]

I wonder if any of the purposed concept would be effected by the planets extreme weather changes or intense storms. Just a thought as the storms here on earth effect air travel quite regularly.

[@xdoods]

Scariest. Landing. Ever. Well... "Landing."

[@OfficalMcM]

how are you supposed to dock something on it for example? or, leave the Zeppelin to go on a spaceship for example?

[@Icybubba]

+OfficalMcM Helicopter tech? Just use the tech of a helicopter to keep one of the cities in mid air and we could have space craft land on a landing platform.

[@OfficalMcM]

Icy bubba sounds good on paper but probably won't work

[@Icybubba]

***** We won't know if we don't try.

[@15Redstones]

+OfficalMcM I guess you could send a bunch of blimps there, make them entry venus at roughly the same position and when they are all there make them fly to one meeting point and connect them together with some long ropes. Then send a manned mission there to the waiting cloud city.

[@riskeworldstage5422]

DO IT! It makes way more sense than "colonizing" Mars. Until we invent "Artificial Gravity", Mars is a great place to learn from and explore scientifically, but is not a feasible place to colonize. Venus has ALWAYS been a better fit. Even terraforming is a more realistic option. With our problems with global warming and the greenhouse effect, we are learning more and more about how to balance our atmosphere's CO2. I imagine breakthroughs will be made that might make terraforming the Venusian atmosphere far more feasible and pragmatic.

[@IssaMe]

And then it pops... But seriously I do think Venus is the better planet, but I think Mars needs less money to colonise it. I don't know, I'm not a scientist or some sort of other professional person, so don't count on me to survive your descent into Venus. "We're going feet first into hell!"

[@Icybubba]

+Joel says: Mars would actually cost more money, Venus is closer, it has a more Earth like gravity, and well sky cities are not a bad idea.

[@nathanaelries]

+Joel says: Mars is far more expensive to travel to than Venus. Also, at those altitudes, the air wouldn't be sucked out if the blimp fabric gets punctured somehow. Since the air pressure at high altitudes is equal to earth's air pressure, the blimp's gasses would seep out just as it would in a blimp on earth. It would give enough time for either repair or mission abortion depending on the severity of the structural damage.

[@jbaltusstuff5908]

Problem is: you are not on the surface. You need to get resources like water and other minerals somehow, in order to have an actual self sustaining colony. Living in the sky is something very different and new, while we have been living on the surface and gathering resources from it for 12,000 years now. Not saying its impossible, its just very very new.

[@lilaclizard4504]

Jbaltus, the water isn't on the surface, it's in the air at the height we're talking about for a colony - as water vapour & in the sulfur mix. All the stuff you need to build a colony that will float & resist acid is found in the atmosphere there, as is everything you need for your hydroponics. If you want some soil to grow in instead or perlite to support your hydro potatoes, you just drop a bucket over the side, let it drag along the ground until full, then winch it back up to the ship. Same for basic mining

[@Т1000-м1и]

Underrated

[@JK87]

It's a very interesting idea but why would we want to colonize a planet that isn't capable of providing natural resources other than those found in a gaseous form within the atmosphere? I'm not criticizing, i'm just curious. It seems Mars is the more logical choice because it has a surface that could eventually be terraformed to accommodate human life, right? Creating a civilization on a planet like Venus would require that almost everything be brought from earth in fairly large quantities. I realize the same holds true for almost any attempt at colonization but without a surface to learn from and pull resources from, it seems like the cons could potentially far outweigh the pros. However ;it does make sense to continue research via probe and/or robotics as it seems like a far more cost effective way to explore a planet that is clearly not designed to support human life. Just my opinion.

[@colinrobinson1924]

You seem to think that the natural resources found in gaseous form within Venus' atmosphere are not that significant. Venus' atmosphere contains abundant carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen - elements which can be processed, with the help of solar energy, into breathable air and drinkable water, and can be used to grow plants, not to mention make rocket fuel. It's true that humans won't be visiting the surface any time soon, but NASA people like Geoffrey Landis have been working on designs for robots which can function there. Humans on airships could send real-time instructions to the robots, using them to learn more about the surface and its history. Eventually, robots can also be used to pull resources from the surface and float them up into the atmosphere using balloons. In short, Venus may be a lot more able than you think to support human life in a colony floating in its atmosphere...

[@Oberonjames]

Terraforming Mars could take centuries, and you'd still be left with the low gravity and high radiation Though the radiation could be lowered by an atmosphere, without a magnetosphere, it would be difficult to keep the atmosphere around the planet. Terraforming Venus would likewise take centuries, but you'd end up with a twin planet to Earth, albeit with less water. Remember that there two biggest problems we've encountered in space are the low gravity and high radiation. Colonists on Venus wouldn't have to worry about those. They would of Mars, and we don't yet have good enough solutions to them. We also haven't yet figured out how to land a payload large enough to carry humans on Mars. The combination of low atmospheric pressure and low gravity makes it considerably harder.

[@mertc8050]

Terraforming mars is impossible not enough gas to increase the air pressure and we have no idea about how we are going to create a magnetosphere

[@mertc8050]

@@therealist3495 nope will never be enough you gotta make the magnetic field as big as the planet itself and so far there is no way in known phyiscs we can make a magnetic field that large without actualy having a planet sized magnet

[@RovingPunster]

I think an airship is a brilliant approach, given the super dense atmosphere as well as the high temps.

[@orbiter1ful]

does anyone know the music used?

[@Justin_Martin]

Venus is awesome planet 👑🇺🇸💕

[@mikemoore9092]

I would like to volunteer to do this mission if it happens in my lifetime

[@BG_NC]

This really would be the coolest thing. While as a society we should focus on fixing our mistakes on Earth, space travel and being able to live on other planets would be amazing! It would give us amazing research opportunities we just don't have here.

[@karlthemel2678]

Priority is to further development of rare, valuable extraterrestrial resources like platinum group metals, rare earth elements, solar power, perhaps eventually 3He. It would be hard to get anything material out of Venus' gravity well. Launch from Venus or its atmosphere asks for almost as much deltaV than launching fron Earth. Are you planning on using nuclear thermal propulsion initially augmented by injecting O2 into the exhaust stream in an afterburner type system? Regards

[@diabeticalien3584]

Mars and Venus were always on interest. However, the public never actually knew this as Venus was hell. Sending people to Venus would be amazing.

[@DJEvillincoln]

Why does the end show it touching down in an ocean... aren't the oceans on Venus made of like... skin melting acid..??

[@lunar_trooper]

At the end that is the spacecraft returning to Earth.

[@theredstonehive]

If you were watching, like, it is Earth...

[@pedrotorres9836]

Still so much more to discover. Chemosynthesis in deep earth oceans raised questions on possible similar bacteria on venus atmosphere. Amazing times in science. Can we find a bacteria on earth to cool the venus atmosphere? Let the little guys do the job for us.

[@ferdia748]

Could this work on other planets like Saturn perhaps?

[@0JosaLP0]

+Conor Beggs gravity is to high there

[@mkd2839]

+einfach Joni No, It might work if it isn't for the ferocious storm on the outer gas giants.

[@mkd2839]

+einfach Joni Learn some basicc physics before reply

[@0JosaLP0]

Damminh Khoi lel, u r right, it's got just over 1g cause of it's diametre

[@nicksquared4907]

+einfach Joni lol its diameter has nothing to do with gravity, mass affects gravity. And this is from a 9th grader lol

[@augustus6285]

So an Orion has to rendezvous with HAVOC afterwards? Wouldn't it be cheaper if the Venus Ascent Vehicle could just be used again for reentry? Or at least using a Dream Chaser, Dragon v2, or CST-100 instead? The Orion costs way more than any of those.

[@mkd2839]

Orion has better tech and it can be reuse. The launch vehicle of the Orion (SLS) is the expensive thing. Maybe they can launch Orion from an Atlas V to save cost

[@ProjectSimMedia]

What if the ship hits a storm?

[@Tulin258]

It would be the first crewed Venus landing

[@MarcoMa210]

@@Tulin258 And the first interplanetary death

[@denis480]

Here before Apple TV+ "For All Mankind" 's season 5 steals the concept.

[@roach1371b]

I dont think there's enough lifting gas to hold up the massive balls or ovaries of the person brave enough to live above an acidic pressure cooker 24/7.

[@M414-q6o]

At a heigh enough altitude, the temperature and pressure would be equivalent to earth

[@wt7958]

@@M414-q6o they'd need to be pretty brave to trust in a flying balloon keeping them at that altitude. Given what would happen if it fails.

[@Ithirahad]

@@wt7958 Balloons are pretty light. They would obviously have all the normal contingencies like multiple inner partitions, but they also likely have the mass budget to carry a spare (or two!) if there's a deployment failure or some critical failure mode develops during operation. I'd be more scared about the ascent rocket.

[@wt7958]

@@Ithirahad the other thing is, though the temp. and pressure may be similar to Earth, Earth's atmosphere is not made of sulphuric acid

[@FrenziedParticle]

I love this concept! It's insightful and innovative.

[@pwnjones]

For a moment during free fall, I was sure I'd see a pot of petunias.

[@thedeerguy7579]

Oh no, not again...

[@Karol-tu5yd]

I'm curious if something like it will take place, keeping in mind last news about Venus

[@388bobek]

that's so steampunk... a planetary exploration program based on bioshock infinite...

[@angelaturner3145]

So a blimp on venus ... I believe Goodyear would be interested

[@Ehe_w2h]

I landed here from PBS

[@RichardSharpewaterloo]

Amazing conception! I would have never thought of using a blimp-like vehicle to execute such a mission.

[@spacefreeman]

Концепт пилотируемой миссии на ... Венеру!

[@MaheshWalatara]

Whoa never saw this coming. Amazing, straight out of an Arthur C Clarke story.

[@krraman666]

I think it's better to invest in this project than in Mars

[@dalehaagen9091]

What is the music for this? I love it!

[@alirehm]

Who’s here in 2020?

[@acekiwi7184]

How would this go for Mars, Saturn/Titan, Uranus & Neptune exploration?

[@Testedcountry]

The sky of venus is blue?

[@SargeRho]

+Punkartificer Above the clouds, yep.

[@13markhuz37]

The music in this video reminds me of the expanse soundtrack

[@jeanlucncoelho]

Weeeeeeeeeeee! Please send me! Pretty please!

[@Elround4]

Jean-Luc Coelho Something to keep in mind, if anything causes that blimp to fail you'd be exposed to the heat and pressure below. ; )

[@jeanlucncoelho]

Elround4 A worthy death

[@nathanryweck3137]

What is the lifting gas used? On Venus, plain old earth atmosphere would be buoyant and it would have the advantage that the crew could breathe it.

[@doltecbyal]

Getting tired of these lame backronyms NASA. Couldn't you just call it the Venus Blimp?

[@Alex-nu9th]

who knows the song name? 0:50

[@jameshurley224]

Interesting concept, only issue i would have is the capsules multiple atmosphere entrys and the atmospheric reactions of venus on its integrity.

[@xblkman]

NASA is thinking out side the box, keep doing more research it would be nice to see human visiting Venus in my life time as well as Mars

[@FirstNameLastName-gu1mu]

I love to see the first people to live on venus. Finally venus will have complex life once again living on it.

[@CabhanListis]

Any risk of lightning striking them up there? I mean, there's a lot of volcanic activity among other things.

[@Icybubba]

+Cabhan Listis I don't think, maybe, probably not though

[@grantrev-nz4337]

Hello from New Zealand , my friends at N.A.S.A. You guys are way to cool to be stuck on earth.Cheers and the warmest of regards Grant

[@Rukhage]

This looks amazing; my question is, beyond the challenge of getting there and setting up a colony for scientific observation and research, are there any tangible benefits of setting up a colony from an economic perspective, ie: gas mining, etc?

[@3D_is_Superior]

I like this plan! It seems like a step in the right direction. i wish NASA had all the funding they needed to do this and more. I also think that eventually we should set up bases: Inside a huge asteroid for mining (a protoplanet would be the best candidate) and research, and on the moon for the same reason. We could possibly find rare game changing and invaluable resources that maybe are non existent on earth (or too deep for us to reach)... Maybe one rare resource out there can power that warp drive you are working on NASA.

[@AdriaanSteenkamp]

A good concept but does the NASA team think it is feasible for permanent occupation? Wouldn't it be very difficult to make such a colony self-sufficient in terms of metals and organics in a reasonable time?

[@HragFarraGaming]

I never thought this was possible... but it makes sense! My only question is - What would you hope to accomplish by going to Venus though? Also what's the name of the music.. it's pretty darn good.

[@landonrounsavall1125]

Venus is a great example of what happens when a runaway greenhouse affect happens so it could help us understand the effects of c02 on a atmosphere

[@yknowhim912]

My friends at NASA, I have a question. Would there ever be any consideration for a simmilar idea for Jupiter. It would even be argued to be more useful as Jupiter's atmophere could be used a fuel

[@SargeRho]

The bit at the end with the floating habitats, is that from a different video, or just a little "what if"?

[@jeechun]

Any news on HAVOC? Could NASA cooperate with Rocket Lab on this? (Peter Beck would really want to send missions to Venus. Mission with Neutron?)

[@HylanderSB]

Awesome concept. Let’s hope folks recall it when the time comes that we have the desire to send humans to Venus.

[@bepawsitiv]

Really a great idea but can please elaborate more about the idea

[@bunzi1964]

Would love to see a Venus rover on the surface. Yes, the design would be very challenging considering the pressure and heat, but surely we have the cooling and high pressure technology that could be developed for a surface mission. :)

[@MarcoMa210]

Zephyr

[@geryz7549]

2:29 It's weird to think the Orion capsule was already a thing back then

[@galadato7425]

Yeah

[@johnwang9914]

This appears to be a disposable aerostat which is abandoned at the end of mission. Any ideas as to how a combined descent/ascent vehicle could dock with it without destroying the buoyancy chamber? What about the materials which could survive the sulfuric acid clouds and what resources could be harvested from the atmosphere alone, could structural materials perhaps plastics be synthesized from the atmosphere, what about fuels and water?

[@lilaclizard4504]

yes PE plastic is resistant to sulfuric acid & can be created from sulfuric acid in the atmosphere. Hydroponic equipment likewise. Helium & otehr gasses too & plants can convert the CO2 into oxygen & carbon to make carbon fibre products to use to drop over the side to collect stuff from the surface. The rest I don't know the answers to