NASCAR Is Striking Back

NASCAR is striking back at the teams of 23XI Racing and Front Row Motorsports. The teams fought back a few weeks ago and NASCAR is refusing to give into them in just about every way, no matter how ugly they make it. For this both 23XI and Front Row will take the unprecedented steps to race without charters as top tier organizations and maybe just sell the entire 2025 NASCAR season when it comes to running for a championship. NASCAR is striking back.
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[@TheIceberg]

Do you think 23XI and Front Row will be made to run without a charter in 2025?

[@victoor_1]

perchance. ..

[@averyalford2400]

Yes

[@BraydenBunch58]

Absolutely

[@stephenholloway6893]

Yes but for how long they can last without a charter is another matter.

[@JackLikesTrackhouse]

If this doesn’t get settled then yeah

[@hailstorm1986]

The fact that NASCAR doesn't want to disclose certain financial information from 2016 is very concerning and makes them look even worse..

[@OrganizedMess0025]

> The fact that NASCAR doesn't want to disclose certain financial information from 2016 is very concerning and makes them look even worse.. This is why the discovery period must happen whatever it takes and whatever results from it. Those books contain the truth or at least parts of it and we all need to know whats up.

[@BraydenBunch58]

I’m honestly scared about the future of this sport if this gets any worse….

[@WizardKingNick]

We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.

[@dedo7326]

This is criminal. Shame on nascar. It shouldn’t matter if you hate Denny or Toyota you shouldn’t feel comfortable about this.

[@johnathonkelley5234]

I don't feel comfortable knowing that they wanna go down this route. The more they shrink the cup number charter field, they more it's gonna make the other two series look higher up on their end.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

I hate the frances so much now Im rooting for Dennis in something. Like wtf?

[@OverSeasonedTaco]

NASCAR definitely doesn't hate Toyota because Toyota spends the most on sponsorship

[@existinginaspace8347]

Ahh see I hate Denny, as a driver. I like him as an owner. I also hate the people he hires. But owner wise, he's alright. And since all my guys are out of the playoffs at this point. Id like to see him get that championship just to get the chip off his shoulder.

[@dedo7326]

@@OverSeasonedTaco I didn’t say nascar hated Toyota. I was talking to the fans of nascar you have to put the hate you feel towards Denny and Toyota and realize nothing good will come of this whole thing it’s a shame.

[@RS_Dad]

I’m telling’ y’all: pulling MJs charters will be a no-win PR nightmare for NASCAR.

[@198746779838]

This is why everyone elses Charters actually hold no value. The brands cannot be built if NASCAR owns the rights.

[@bowserjr.]

I don't know what people expected to happen. As much as we dislike it, NASCAR was never gonna roll over.

[@BvG_Venom]

Michael Jordan might be the most competitive person in history. Even if they lose I can see him burn 100s of millions of dollars just to prove a point. And I'm glad he's in the sport. He's the only owner that in a position where he has the money to stand on principle.

[@Xyz-vn6df]

I believe Rick Hendrick is also a billionaire

[@BvG_Venom]

@Xyz-vn6df he's not gonna risk his lifelong empire here. Yeah, he's got a lot of other businesses, but this is his baby. MJ might have more money than nascar and he can "take that personally" when slighted.

[@back-corner-turnings]

So the ones that gave the teams an 11th hour ultimatum are accusing the teams that didn’t knuckle under of extortion! Amazing! I really hope the two teams are successful with their injunction effort!

[@SilverThunder710]

The fact that NASCAR is doubling down on silencing their opposition is just bullsh. Somebody ought to really investigate what’s going on with Jim France.

[@SarahBoones13thLawyer]

That is what the lawsuit is doing. It is called discovery.

[@mikerea4398]

Just the dumbest take

[@foxze9098]

At this point, I want Tyler reddick to win the championship so they have to hand the trophy to 23XI with all the bad blood right now Lol

[@JackLikesTrackhouse]

Same. Reddick’s already my favourite of the 8 remaining so seeing him win it would be hilarious

[@EliInTheUniverse]

I agree completely, Reddick is hot this year. Him winning the championship would be a massive middle finger to NASCAR.

[@Austin_Dale]

Hamlin winning it would be even better

[@EliInTheUniverse]

@@Austin_Dale That is true since he and MJ are heading the lawsuit

[@TheCloudCreation]

Im no lawyer, but my wife is a paralegal. To me this entire lawsuit hinges on whether the judge sees it unreasonable and monopolistic to force teams to sign the contract under auch a strict deadline AFTER normal business operation hours. This statement from NASCAR has nothing to due with refuting the claimed unreasonable contract deadline and instead gives the plaintiffs more ammunition by saying that NASCAR is already planning on taking potential earnings from 23XI and Front Row and allocating those funds to other teams. Again, it all depends on how the judge sees this, but Imo it looks like NASCAR saying "you didn't want to wave your legal rights to sue us if we screw up? Then no money for you." Which is a HUGE no-no.

[@kyleolson8977]

"This statement from NASCAR has nothing to due with refuting the claimed unreasonable contract deadline and instead gives the plaintiffs more ammunition" I agree completely. Better statements for NASCAR would have been more vague. Instead they clarified roughly "yes we did that, so what?" It's very much an intimidation but that probably was a bad idea when some of the people you are fighting don't need you. Of course the courts will limit what NASCAR could ask. No matter what was in the old charter, the courts would not allow NASCAR to say you have 30 seconds to sign this contract we just emailed you. So the question is "how unreasonable was this?"

[@DJ_Mooseknucks]

Unless the judge has been bought off or is an absolute idiot no rational individual would think 6 hours, beginning at 6 am, would be enough time to review and sign a 300 page contract. If anything it would fall "unless duress". I'm glad this happened because it's shown how dirty NASCAR management really is. I'll be done watching for at least a few years after this season is over.

[@c.d.8975]

Wife is a paralegal😂 Hahaha Hahaha Hahaha hohoho Hohoho Hahaha Hahaha 😁 📓🖋

[@SuperNASCARrocks]

Shame on NASCAR for doing this. The business model of this sport is so broken.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

Broken implies nascar doesnt know what its doing. These corrupt mfs running the show wanted all this.

[@steveo5712]

Noah Gragson cannot catch a break man. This guy has had the wildest first 3 years of any driver I can remember. So does this mean anyone can buy out those 4 charters at this point? So what does this do to the relationships with the OEMs now?

[@csxtrainfan319]

They should just get rid of the charters all together.

[@rexthewolf3149]

The teams wanted the charters so they ain’t going away

[@JackLikesTrackhouse]

Agreed, but the teams wanted charters, so removing them now would cause a litany of issues

[@Buddha-of8fk]

NASCAR basically said BYE!!

[@__boomer2__]

The thing is, Nascar is technically a private business. They can theoretically do whatever they want, and make whatever rules they like. None of these teams are being forced to run in the series. They can pull out any time they wish. So if there's 1 or 2 teams annoying them, they don't have to really do anything. It'd be really cool if they did, but it's not required. I don't see this playing into FRM or 23XI's favor at all.

[@Clashwithcodeman]

Could sue nascar more for being retaliatory

[@EliInTheUniverse]

This is "How to kill a Race Series 101" for NASCAR, right now.

[@andrewhayes88]

I think Michael McDowell is dodging a bullet with this in the short term.

[@aidansmid2210]

Noah Gragson cannot stay away from controversy with teams

[@WYATT6RABBIT]

If 23XI wants to be stubborn just pull reddick and Hamlin out of the playoffs and add bowman and truex in and that will shut them up

[@Redslayer86]

This sounds like it would obliterate themselves in court

[@josephharrison5639]

The fact that they’re in an antitrust suit and just did the exact thing a monopoly would do is the worst part they just provided everyone a current example of their monopolistic practices.

[@c.d.8975]

Ryan preece driving for RFK without a charter is mind-blowing 😮

[@skippingrhyme4386]

2:39 it was agreed on in the 2016 charter deal meaning NASCAR Legally has to not recognize the charters in order not to Breach the Contract

[@Tomsbananacakes]

The Charter system needs to go. Besides, they need to make it so you have to EARN a charter. This can be simply being in the top 30 in points, and should you ever fall outside the top 30 you run the risk of losing your charter at ANY point in time during the season. For reference, Rick Ware's #15 currently sits 36th in points (last among the charters), while 23XI's Tyler Reddick is running for a championship. Makes no sense.

[@JackLikesTrackhouse]

The teams wanted charters and nascar pulling out of it now would cause a lot of problems

[@t.hurson2298]

Like any power-hungry corporation, dictatorship, or Monarchy, the France Family will never let any concessions go. You'll have to pry that monopoly from their cold, dead, hands... or in court.

[@joeyager8479]

It's all about control. NASCAR wants to keep as much TV money as possible. The teams want to get more of it because they're the ones that are financially in the riskiest position. NASCAR created the charters to help mitigate the financial risk for the teams, but now are using that (revoking the charters) as hammer to keep them inline. It's easy for people without a cent invested to sit here and criticize 23XI and FRM.

[@hainuspilot]

go nascar, dont take that shite!!

[@damn_dude02]

I like how nascars' response to the lawsuit is just showing everyone why they're getting sued in the first place

[@cito1101]

Shame on You NASCAR!!!! You should've gotten rid of the Charter system to avoid something like this

[@thunderstrikesc1261]

Talking about the teams missing Daytona, Front Row will lock in on Wednesday so it's no issue for them. Toyota needs to fix their qualifying trim though.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Reddick should jump ship, he’s too good to be sitting on the sidelines, outside the playoffs. I’d go for him if I was was Penske/RFK

[@paulday5722]

The lack of common sense in the comments section is amazing. EVERY charter expires on Dec. 31st. 23XI and FRM willingly chose not to sign a renewal agreement, therefore their charters disappear. There is no way it could have ended any other way. The lawsuit is immaterial in that respect.

[@RUM123]

I'm getting a sneaking suspicion that i wouldn't want to play poker with MJ.

[@ryanpaulding1178]

I've been watching Nascar since 1986 all this charter talks and treat of a " lawsuit" is just making me sick and tired. It makes me NOT want to watch Nascar next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@NASCARFAN93100]

The Charter System as a Whole is the reason on why NASCAR is facing an uncertain future and I honestly don't blame 23XI & FRM for standing their grounds.

[@existinginaspace8347]

I wish there was a serries of stock car racing that was easy to follow and had consistent race times so there was an alternative to Nascar's crap. But most serries just aren't broadcast at all, or are annoying to pirate.

[@chrisguardiano6143]

As an Indycar fan in addition to NASCAR, this is eerily similar to how Indycar bullied Prema (a new team from Italy who will be entering Indycar next season) into basically signing their charter agreement that will start next season. Prema wanted to enter Indycar as a chartered team so that they could get all of the benefits that come with that such as guaranteed spots & revenue sharing so that they would be competitive right away. However Indycar threatened to deny their entry onto the grid for 2025 if they continued to ask for these demands. Prema basically had to back down from their demands & agree to the terms laid out in the charter agreement in order to be on the grid. Even by signing this charter agreement, Prema isn't guaranteed spots on the grid & have to qualify for every single race while teams like Andretti, Penske, Arrow McLaren & Ganassi have guaranteed spots. Prema is also excluded from Indycar revenue sharing for the first 3 seasons they are in the series (if they make it that long) simply due to the fact that they are a new team. I find it absolutely mind boggling why Roger Penske would introduce the charter system to Indycar when he has clearly seen the effects of it in NASCAR. Indycar should be pushing for more teams to join the series & by implementing charters, it discourages new teams from joining.

[@otaviofrn_adv]

Prema is a strong name in the road to F1... shame that Indycar is doing this to them.

[@nicksbits]

I hope they get to race next year I hope they rule that in favour 23xi and front row

[@mackenziegoodrich6004]

I am curious about how Ford, Toyota and the sponsor are handling all this.

[@kristofkovacs5329]

If Nascar pulls Jordan's charters that's gonna be a major PR nightmare. I really hope Reddick wins the championship so Nascar has to give 23XI the trophy and do promotional material for next year.

[@MrGunlover12]

If Reddick is leading at phoniex near the end you better believe nascar will throw a caution

[@AndrewFRC135]

This all feels very slimy on NASCAR's part. This filing explicitly states that, because 23XI and FRM didn't sign, there will be larger race payouts for both chartered and open teams. WTF? They bewilderingly stated that when a team signs a charter, it reduces the race payout for all teams. How does that abide by contract consideration laws?

[@calvintrudeau4985]

Saw it coming but still crazy just like you said, I hope nascar gets taken down in this for once.

[@JPKelly-xr7tr]

Striking back - ? LOL! Weeks later they came out with a long statement full of nothing specific. Clickbait Title.

[@dmoran1093]

So that third charter that frm bought from shr wasn't approved by nascar? So gene haas is stuck with 2 additional charters?

[@paulkribbs1701]

Nothing changes for NASCAR. Books don't get open, especially for the singular France , and no injunction will be given

[@licorice5266]

Todd and Noah were also teammates at KBM

[@mrgeebers]

Charter Wars Episode V The Frances Strikes Back

[@naparacingfan9275]

NASCAR'S favorite drama Law & Order: Organized Charters continues.

[@davelikesbacon]

Here is what I think could happen. Scenario 1: if the judge grants the injunction for 2311 and front row then they will continue on racing in 2025 as charter teams and the lawsuit will continue. Pretty basic. Scenario 2: if the judge does not Grant the injunction, and 2311 and front row lose their charters, then they will wind up signing the agreement by December 31st. The reason why I say this is because they damn well know they will go bankrupt if they do not receive the purse money from the charter agreement. NASCAR knows this as well. So what I think we'll end up happening is NASCAR will extend and all of Branch to both teams and allow them to sign the charter agreement if they agree to drop the lawsuit. The teams are also not going to skip the races, even the exhibition races, because they have sold sponsorship to these races. If they skip races they are breaching contract with the sponsors and will either get sued or the sponsors will drop them or both. This lawsuit could only have worked if all 15 teams stood together against nascar. But they didn't and NASCAR has 2311 and front row by the balls. You're either going to sign the agreement and drop the nonsense or we're going to put you out of business. NASCAR can survive without 2311 and front row, neither team can survive without nascar.

[@thomaskunz8029]

As much as I dislike the people running NASCAR, they never forced any of these guys to start a team or compete in their series. 23XL had over 2 years and multiple offers from NASCAR but continued to turn them down in hopes they would just fold and give in to their demands lol. They just spent close to 100 million building a "state of the art" shop and buying another charter they didn't need to begin with yet they keep bitching that they don't make a profit.. You don't continue to invest and expand in a sport or business if your not making money. Then to hire a lawyer and have him go around doing interviews to put them on blast and rile up their fans in another attempt to get what they want is making me hope it backfires and they get shit on from every direction!

[@ryanoflaherty5225]

This is a load of BARNACLES

[@aidansmid2210]

Can you be eligible for the playoffs with no charter?

[@loganengland8177]

Solution get rid of the charters

[@stephenholloway6893]

Expect for the most recent champion no one should be locked in the field. Only the most recent champ as a reward for winning the championship.

[@thunderstrikesc1261]

@@stephenholloway6893 No one should be locked but it should be a point system like Xfinity and trucks

[@thomaspodlesny239]

I think we see a lockout season in 2025

[@stevancartwright7343]

As a nascar fan my whole 31 year life, this makes me not wanna watch anymore.

[@aidansmid2210]

I wish this would be over

[@johnnyhefner715]

Hell they should do away with all the charters, hell if you can't put up a qualifying lap you should go home, like sprint cars

[@HelenThomasas-b3w]

I showed this video to my friend and now her boyfriend wants to try it too. Waiting for the report🐱

[@bearmarsh6579]

23XI Racing and Front Row Motorsports No charters No big bucks and No championship.

[@4b131]

Not a fan of how the charter system works. This is like the NFL saying ya no TV money for your franchise. So hope NASCAR gets put in their place.

[@hunternixonfishing2500]

You could absolutely be talking breach of contract between sponsors and the teams if they refuse to sign the charter agreement. I’m scared about the future of NASCAR if this continues

[@kurtwylde972]

NASCAR is ridiculous

[@v1LL3n_nZ]

MJ will take this personal..... And Nascar does not want that.

[@HirokaAkita]

I love NASCAR. *But they have definitely reached monopoly status.*

[@OrganizedMess0025]

I love the sport of stock car racing. I hate the entire leadership of nascar right now. We needed a clean house moment years ago and hopefully with this suit we get steps closer to that reality.

[@MrMonk-wz7iu]

Denny has bit off more than he can Chew,,, Be Funny if Dale Jr ends up with these Charters,

[@John-kx3ng]

Derrick Cope lol!!!!

[@JackLikesTrackhouse]

I am literally having the worst week and this is not helping at all

[@judewhite4401]

I’m not having a good week, either. My brother and his girlfriend broke up, and somebody from One Direction died. And this is not helping whatsoever.

[@snp4dx]

Smells like retaliation to me.

[@Tom-jy3jd]

Pro athletes pull out and basically extort more lucrative contracts even though they signed a contract previously. Greed or ?

[@willgriffin5647]

I think charters are dumb and I'm not a fan of either team so I'm fully on nascar's side. i don't give a rat's @$$ what happens to 23XI and FRM.

[@hainuspilot]

if 2311 doesnt race yall will still watch cause its nascar. go dont watch it, they dont care. thats the point nascar is stating, they can go race anywhere ty, have a good day buh bye

[@williamseaman176]

After 2024, I’m leaving NASCAR forever for a multitude of reasons! I’m sick of the chaos, controversy, and drama that is this sport nowadays! Honestly, I hope NASCAR goes out of business so that no one will have to deal with this anymore! I’m rooting for 23XI and Front Row to win this lawsuit!

[@SarahBoones13thLawyer]

This is not an airport, you do not need to announce your departure

[@judewhite4401]

@williamseaman176 I hate to break it to you, but that is not happening. NASCAR is here to stay, whether you like it or not.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

I hope more people with sense and more than 2 brain cells also leave. Support proper racing like your local stock car series or dirt track show. Leave this shitshow while you can and entertain yourselves with something with integrity.

[@leg-h1l]

​​@@OrganizedMess0025going left is real racing? Dont make me laugh

[@RayTuttle-of5qd]

Never gonna happen!! NASCAR doesn’t lose lawsuits !

[@leg-h1l]

F1 has 20 cars dont mind the car count being low

[@otaviofrn_adv]

difference I think it's history. F1 always had 20 or a bit more. There was even a good chunk of period of making the race on time, the 107% rule (lap time of the 1st place in Q1 is 100%, any car 7 or more percent slower than the pole would not qualify for the race). Actually, the rule exists today, but nobody has been left out of the grid based on the rule since 2012. The deals that keep F1 together state for a maximum of 26 cars, 13 teams with two each. Most I've seen in my life is 24. Nascar always had a field towards 40. Being in that number is not bad, but their constructions have been totally different.

[@John-kx3ng]

WHAT A MESS!

[@frederickwstrawitchiii3329]

23XI and Front Row are going to fold. NASCAR isn't telling them they can't race. They just said that if you want a higher piece of the pie, you have to agree to our rules. "We are rewarding you for agreeing to these terms." But ya know... from NASCAR to your local track- there's always someone who thinks they can do it better. There's always someone who thinks they deserve more money. What's going to hurt 23XI is Denny basically admitting that they were going to always sue unless they got what they wanted. That's not negotiating in good faith. Actions Detrimental may be a great podcast, but Denny's inability to keep his mouth shut (and traits I share😊) is going to come back and bite him.

[@DJ_Mooseknucks]

They be scumbags

[@RealSWOfficial]

NASCAR just made themselves more worst tbh.

[@Shredxcam22]

I believe nascar needs to be removed from nascar.

[@williamlambert]

23XI Racing & Front Row Motorsports should've just signed the charter

[@matrixugamer566]

Hello

[@saintaugboys3026]

Come on man why did FRM have to sue them 😭 I don't want to see them leave

[@grand_master_of_izalith7186]

I feel like everyone is overlooking the fact that Nascar isn't taking any charters: they don't exist for 23XI and Front Row without the new deal. They expired. Yeah, its not the best look, but they can't just give the two teams something they didn't sign for.

[@amyparker9816]

"It's not the best look" is putting it mildly. How do France's boots taste?

[@grand_master_of_izalith7186]

Comments pointing something out people have ignored, don’t choose a side. Get called a bootlicker. … Neutrality is a thing you know?

[@amyparker9816]

@@grand_master_of_izalith7186 Deliberately downplaying a serious issue is not neutrality.

[@grand_master_of_izalith7186]

I was pointing out an ignored facet of the argument. That’s not me downplaying anything. If you want someone who’s going to stick it to the France family, I can recommend some videos from people who want to argue that.

[@lemonjuicegaming6551]

NASCAR going out of business is something I never thought we could see.

[@judewhite4401]

I don’t think it’s gonna come to THAT. But what am I gonna do on Sundays if it does?

[@lemonjuicegaming6551]

@@judewhite4401 If you watch the NFL, there's that I guess.

[@judewhite4401]

@lemonjuicegaming6551 I do watch the NFL, but that league is a joke as well. I’m talking about, what am I gonna do on Sundays during the NFL offseason?

[@lemonjuicegaming6551]

@@judewhite4401 😥

[@traviscarpenter08]

If nascar wont give them there charter then i will support nascar not as much

[@mitchsmith7472]

Lol this sport is a joke

[@tobiojo6469]

The story is so confusing

[@fireraider98]

Nascar is hurting for momey or there just being cheap to screw everyone else over.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

> there just being cheap to screw everyone else over Let the discovery period happen which it must and show us the truth. If nascar leaders can make a 7.7 billion dollar tv deal theres money somewhere.

[@rich873]

Stop watching f nascar

[@OrganizedMess0025]

Agreed plenty of local short tracks could use the attention. Better racing better product more integrity and all that with excitement for the fans.