The Addlink D60 NAS SSD Review - A GENUINE NAS SSD?

[@woef]

man i was just looking for ssds what a timing

[@Lorondos]

Still waiting for 4TB SSDs around the £100-120 mark, does not need to be the latest PCIE generation, speeds are more than plenty now, my needs are currently 16TB so 4 x of these for that price, would allow a complete switchover to a only SSD NAS at a very reasonable price.

[@lspcie]

you’ll need 5 or 6 if you want to have at least raid5 or 6

[@surfacingcom]

Go with 2 TB drives on a PCI nvme card with up to 16 slots and you can get your capacity where you want it and raid five or six at a lower cost

[@wojtek-33]

@@surfacingcom Uh, I'm not sure you understand how those cards work. The most common is a card that requires your motherboard has PCIe bifurcation. For the MBs that have this, usually you can only split it into 2, maybe 4 drives. Then you have cards that have a PCIe switch chip on board, which are pretty expensive , $200-$1000 for 4-8 drives.

[@bensanders6017]

Have a look at the Kingston dc600 drives (2.5") they have the capacity but u need to increase ure budget!

[@rogerhalt3991]

Bog standard drives might at some point but it could be a whilst before enterprise drives come down

[@joelnrs]

“These drives worked the end” lol

[@MaxVoltageTech]

Are the Adlink drives conformal coated?? It looked like that sample was. I don't remember seeing that on other m.2 drives.

[@InspectorGadget2014]

eTLC are focussed (and selected on the wafers during production) on stability, not on speed. eTLC are notable slower in their write-speeds compared to TLC. As the data does indeed shows that. eTLC are, in general, lasting longer then its counter-part TLC. So, if you need stability (which is a relative term I believe with modern-day SSD's) and a longer durability, use eTLC. But otherwise a SSD with "normal" (non-eTLC) NAND would suffice plentiful IMHO.

[@Evgeniy123]

Let's try to do the math 6000 MB/s * 8 = 48 Gbit I don't have a 50 Gbps network card, why should I pay for a pcie 4.0, get hot and use only 10 Gbps of the 50 Gbps? Why not buy a UPS, and a much cooler pcie 3.0 m.2 MLC ssd?

[@rem_0]

This! For a regular consumer use it is completely overkill. For some people even sata ssd will be enough for cache purposes, since they might not have 10gbit network

[@udirt]

The sad part is that the 400GB HUSML400 SAS SSDs I got off ebay in 2014 came with >5PW endurance, it's really hard to find a long-term economic choice in the prosumer area.

[@daverussell457]

I believe these the first NVMe drives with power loss protection in the 2280 size.

[@HaraldHenrichs]

As it claims to be an enterprise / data center SSD is it supporting more then one name space? Sadly all SSD reviews are not specifing the name space capabilities of the drives even thought that is quite important.

[@Yiveytube]

Did you get any info on these being available in Europe?

[@FinlayDaG33k]

I want these things for my ZFS array (perfect for a SLOG and L2ARC) but it's a huge shame they aren't currently available in Europe. :\

[@Yiveytube]

The fact it has hardware PLP makes the biggest difference IMO. Especially if you’re using higher bandwidth network (>1GbE) and want to minimize IO-wait. It will give you much greater sustained performance when doing larger transfers.

[@hpsfresh]

Take a look at ts2tmte220s. 1.2 dwpd. But it is pci 3.0

[@Jarymut]

Shame I bought WD sn700 last month, because I never heard about those. 220S would be better for my use... Thanks for the tip anyway.

[@Yiveytube]

Without PLP I wouldn’t say they’re comparable though. That’s the key factor here for sustained speeds.

[@vardagsteknik6576]

Nice video. But what about this clocks on your vrist? No it's a pink version there. I like the calculator one :)

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

Something I have been wondering about is the write resilience of these drives. The manufacturers like to mention the life expectancy as a number of TB written. Just how well should you trust these numbers? I've been looking recently and as an example I found that the Corsair MP600 Core XT 2TB has a life expectancy that they claim is 450 TBW which is one of the lowest values for a 2TB drive that I've seen. Mean while the Corsair Force MP600 2TB is listed as being slightly slower but with a 3600 TBW which is the highest I've seen for 2TB drives. Now the prices are almost exactly the same for these, but if the TBW value is really something that is reflected in the real world this drive would be well worth it even if it's a bit slower. Now to be honest I am pretty certain that the 3600 TBW number is a mistake and it really should say 360 TBW, but that's beside the point. Thing is a lot of drives have a 2000 TBW number listed and that's a big difference to the 450 of that first drive. So should I really trust these numbers at all or are they only marketing blurb? I wonder as I'm a storage maniac. I want as reliable storage as possible and over the years I have collected several boxes full with old HDD's that died on me. Now SSD's are a lot more of a thing but trying to create safe storage solutions I don't feel certain about the long term reliability. Currently I've been looing for good and reliable drives but the TBW numbers is a bit unknown to me. Some manufacturers list a lot higher TBW numbers, but are they really that much better or is there number inflation going on here?

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

Ahhh... Now they make me even more confused and uncertain. I just checked the PNY site for information on their drives and for sat least one drive listed as a Previous Generation, the CS3040 they list the TBW value, but for the current drives I checked they cite the MTBF value instead (1,500,000 hours). And in the text they explain that they have a 5 year warranty or until you reach the TBW, but they never say what the actual TBW is...

[@rahulsrma26]

ZFS eat normal nvme's without PLP for breakfast due to write amplification. And this is 80mm FF, Nice. However, it's a bit pricy and I don't need speed just endurance and PLP :)

[@junior-OG]

PLP?

[@tormaid42]

@@junior-OGpower loss protection

[@junior-OG]

@@tormaid42 thanks👍

[@stclaws9580]

@@junior-OG so you are reading comments and commenting without watching video first? 🤡

[@junior-OG]

@@stclaws9580 cry about it🤡

[@jonphanspromotions]

Is this compatible? What’s the knowledge DS 1621XS

[@MoraFermi]

Frankly the biggest constraint for NAS-centric SSDs is not performance, not endurance but power use and heat generation. I would go with gen3/2 drives if it meant they’re using very little energy and can easily be packed in high density, low airflow cases.

[@CharlesTembo]

Would these be better than the Ironwolf 525 SSD as a long-term solution? I plan on running RAID 0 caching on my SSD’s in a tiered system and my current plan was to go with the the 525’s as they seemed like the best on the market in terms of endurance and performance.

[@newmaxx4380]

The Ironwolf 525 was E16 + BiCS4 on launch, which I generally would not recommend for reliability. It's true the DWPD was pretty high on most E16 drives but that controller is very much obsolete. Unfortunately, there are not many good drives like this, the WD SN700 being a good example of last-gen. Of course the D60 has PLP too, but if you're doing RAID-0 caching then data protection might not be your priority.

[@CharlesTembo]

@@newmaxx4380 thank you for your feedback. So would you recommend the WD SN700 as an alternative to my current plans or the D60? context: I’ll have 4 WD Red SA500’s in a RAID 10 config and 6 Ironwolf Pro NAS HDD’s in a RAID 6 config. Giving me some cold and hot/warm storage. I planned on using the NVMe drives to speed up my access in RAID 0 as caching. I figure I could just backup any critical information from the NVMe drives on my PC (it’s got 4TB from two NVMe’s) every now and again. Want to have enough storage for a massive Plex library (among other things) and the ability to play games from the SA500’s.

[@newmaxx4380]

​@@CharlesTembo Generally you are getting NAS cache drives for write consistency which is why small-cache and no-cache options are better (this includes WD's static per the SN700 as well as drives with similar hardware/cache like the SN750 and OEM version). This also applies to many E12 drives including one Seagate had, the problem with the E16 is the controller has more reliability issues in general but also is often paired with a massive cache which hurts consistency. The D60 has no cache whatsoever, which is typical for enterprise and DC drives, and also has PLP, which is a bonus for some use cases. Kingston also sells "server boot drives" like this up to 960GB but much lower TBW/DWPD. There are retail drives with larger caches that can work, or you'd dive into OEM and enterprise.

[@ajv_2089]

Ironwolf stopped selling SSD caches unfortunately

[@coderedtonio]

What is the the best SSD FOR PS5 PRO IN 2024, will you be doing a updated video for the release of the Playstation 5 PRO? 120hz PERFORMANCE mode needs to be tested out with the new nvme ssd's for PS5/ PS5 PRO IN 2024.

[@rogerhalt3991]

Any of them will be plenty fast enough

[@johansjostrand6026]

I wonder how much the Addlink S20 15.36TB will be...

[@rogerhalt3991]

What’s the largest capacity available right now?

[@nicolass743]

Hi N.C, I have a question for you. I’m planning to buy two WD Red Pro 24TB drives to install in a DS723+. Will they be recognized, or will I need to perform any special steps to ensure they are? Best regards.

[@Jarymut]

Shame 525s are not available in Europe any more (or they have stupid prices in few places that have them). Only nas ssds we have are WD's. Or even more expensive enterprise drives...

[@praetorxyn]

There are definitely durability differences in drives. For example, if you take two SSDs and do a RAIDZ1 during a Proxmox install, over time, ZFS will absolutely shred consumer SSDs. Some drives like the WD Red ones and enterprise models are much more durable to stand up to ZFS.

[@nascompares]

THIS! I should have added THIS. Bugger.

[@nosososmo]

set zfs to noatime, move pveproxy logs to ram and and set up pmxcfs-ram

[@owlmostdead9492]

PLP is meaningless in COW filesystems on nvme, even in enterprise

[@ConorHanley]

Why do people put up with Synology's drive nonsense?

[@Krushx0]

because the big dogs in the tech industry does not go out of their way to boycott and call for public black list the company. They like the money not just from synology, from others as well, because if they would do that other part of the industry would black list those big dogs. This game is rigged from the start.

[@davelamont]

First

[@stclaws9580]

what an achievement /s