The ULTIMATE Raspberry Pi 5 NAS

See you at Open Sauce June 15-16! Apply to exhibit here: opensauce.com/exhibits/
Radxa's Penta SATA HAT fits nicely atop the Raspberry Pi 5. Can I use it to build the ultimate Pi 5 NAS? Or will we run into issues?
This video is not sponsored, neither Open Sauce nor Radxa paid anything, nor did they have any input into this video-however I did recieve the Radxa Penta SATA HAT featured in this video for review, as well as the Pineberry Pi boards.
My build included the following (some links are affiliate links):
- Raspberry Pi 5 8GB: www.raspberrypi.com/products/...
- Radxa Penta SATA HAT: radxa.com/products/accessorie...
- TMEZON 12V 5A Power Adapter: amzn.to/3vB7dPR
- SanDisk Extreme 32GB microSD Card: amzn.to/3J2Cf6n
- Samsung 870 QVO SSDs: (NOTE: these went way up in price... I would recommend cheaper 2 or 4TB SSDs instead) amzn.to/4cI1fO4
- ThirdReality Zigbee Smart Plug Gen 2: amzn.to/4azSfbI
You have two options for 2.5 Gbps networking, if you want it. First, for all PCIe, and stackable boards:
- Pineberry Pi HatBRICK! Commander: pineberrypi.com/products/hatb...
- Pineberry Pi HatNET! 2.5G: pineberrypi.com/products/hatn...
But that will downgrade the PCIe connections to Gen 2.
The second option keeps Gen 3 speed for the disks and gets slightly better 2.5G performance (in fact, slightly better than the switch), using a USB 3 2.5G Ethernet adapter. I used this Plugable 2.5G adapter: amzn.to/4cGPxmF
Guides I referenced:
- GitHub issue with full build details and benchmarks: github.com/geerlingguy/raspbe...
- Blog post on macOS Finder Samba slowness: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/202...
- Create a RAID array in Linux: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/202...
- Create a Samba share on Pi: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/202...
- Set up OMV on Pi: wiki.omv-extras.org/doku.php?...
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Sponsor me on GitHub: github.com/sponsors/geerlingguy
Merch: redshirtjeff.com
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Contents:
00:00 - The Ultimate Pi 5 NAS
01:35 - YOLO this thing
03:51 - Assembly
08:14 - (Don't) release the magic smoke
10:08 - Software setup - RAID 0
12:59 - It's hot
15:05 - Benchmarking RAID 0
16:54 - Open Sauce
17:45 - Reads over writes
18:56 - 2.5G Networking
22:06 - But is it faster?
23:33 - OMV + ZFS Setup
27:42 - ZFS Performance
30:37 - Oops.
31:17 - DIY or Buy?

[@JeffGeerling]

A number of comments have asked about using a 2.5 Gbps USB 3 Ethernet adapter instead of the PCIe switch, which would allow me to run the disks at PCIe Gen 3 speed. I tested that with a Plugable 2.5G adapter (which is plug and play on the Pi 5), and you're right! I got 270 MB/sec writes for a 50 GB test folder, and 200 MB/sec reads. Check out the GitHub issue linked in the description for all the details. This little NAS just keeps getting better :)

[@gustavrsh]

This is great! It's very compact as well. How do you think Pi RAM impacts on speeds?

[@Faewks]

Would be interesting if you could combine it with the nvme hat and boot from a nvme. Should be more reliable and faster than the micro sd card?

[@automatedrussianbot8043]

pi nas gonna be more expensive than buying a synology soon lol

[@ragesmirk]

What's the RAM usage?

[@Darkk6969]

@@automatedrussianbot8043 Not really. You're buying the parts that you can upgrade later.

[@TristanHolley]

So it's a.... NASberry Pi!

[@orangejjay]

I dunno, a Pinas has a better ring to it. ❤

[@thedarb]

@@orangejjay If it were SCSI, you could call it a SNASberry.

[@haydenc2742]

NASty Pi

[@Melechtna]

​@@thedarbDo the SNASberries taste like SNASBerries?

[@thedarb]

@@Melechtna Oh they totally do! :D

[@tramcrazy]

Jeff: ‘this won’t be as janky as my previous Pi NAS projects’ 20 minutes later Jeff: ‘I’m just casually spreading 4 PCBs across my desk with 3 different ribbon cables hoping that PCIe won’t break on me’ 😂

[@acubley]

That's not jank, it's creative chaos... /bs (it's jank...pure unadulterated jank.)

[@rangefreewords]

32tb NAS smaller than a brick, this is AWESOME!

[@rangefreewords]

(2) 20TB HDD is

[@rudeskalamander]

​@Googleplaybinauthority and far lower performance

[@renderedpixels4300]

​@@rudeskalamanderin a raid 0, the performance would be able to saturate the 2.5g link. But then no redundancy.

[@wytrzeszczwytrzeszcz7739]

What people do with nases that gigabit is not enough?

[@rudeskalamander]

@@wytrzeszczwytrzeszcz7739 I know people who play all of their movies and games off a nas

[@peterwroberts]

You gotta be careful not to say Pi NAS too quickly, lest we become confused about exactly what you're trying to build 😂

[@gunsnmammons]

Big pi-nas fan

[@shapelessed]

@@gunsnmammons Why. Just... why.

[@Gamex996]

binance?

[@xcruell]

change the "we become.." to "kids become.."

[@humanbeing2730]

peenus 😂😂😂

[@shapelessed]

Am I the only one in fierce love of these small-as-possible SSD file servers?

[@JeffGeerling]

I love 'em too. Just wish they had their nice little metal case available, because I feel like that would complete this build!

[@shapelessed]

@@JeffGeerling I would have just gone full DIY and built my own wooden case. Non-conductive material, good looking. Maybe a few perforations and some small and quiet maglev fan on top at lowest RPM to cool the entire thing.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

@@shapelessed You want a conductive material. Shielding is required for consumer PC's but because this is DIY it gets missed a lot. Processors put off EMI which can cause minor interference with wifi, bluetooth, etc and can cause other issues. That is why the FCC has guidelines, it's less of an issue the less energy is used but I'd still prefer some metal lining inside the wooden case. Plus if you're building an all SSD NAS might as well and make it as EMP resistant as possible.

[@shapelessed]

@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket I have already once built a similar NAS and the EMI has never yet been a problem, since the SoC only drew like 2W at highest and the drives were already shielded. But if it's such an issue, a metal mesh would probably be enough for any radiation the PI might produce. In fact, many small 4-port routers and APs commonly use plastic cases to help with signal strength, and they usually throw off more electricity into the air than the PI would.

[@JeffGeerling]

@@shapelessed I'd love to get a laser cutter and design some simple wood cases that can pop together. That or acrylic... someday. For now I do 3D prints for things I deploy more permanently, I might do that with this build.

[@SchoolforHackers]

My wife is going to be pissed at me spending so much time playing with my PiNAS. Thanks Jeff.

[@UncleChisel]

This may be the single greatest comment 😂😂

[@stinkertonsden]

Came here for the Pi NAS, stayed for the "I MUST HAVE IT" thermal camera. That snap on lens blew me away.

[@JeffGeerling]

It really is amazing for checking heat on a PCB. Love that feature.

[@anonnona8099]

@@JeffGeerling > It really is amazing for checking heat on a PCB. Love that feature. They're also good for opening a keypad lock if you don't know the code. If you can access the lock shortly after someone has used it you know which pads they touched, and big hints about the sequence from how much each one has cooled.

[@realtarun]

@@anonnona8099 do you where i can get that thermal sensor extension or how it is called pls?

[@anonnona8099]

@@realtarun IHNI - it's not my video

[@yngxkk]

@@realtarun it's called 'InfiRay P2 Pro', costs around 250-300$ with different lenses

[@RuddODragonFear]

That 20 watt spike at the end of the copy was ZFS flushing the write cache of all the data you sent to write.

[@JeffGeerling]

Sounds plausible! It's a lotta wattage though, must be hammering everything at once!

[@RuddODragonFear]

@@JeffGeerling makes sense, if it's maxing out all disks and PCI bus riser at 100% CPU all cores for the checksum computations, rather than having to divide time in the PCI bus between writing bits to disks and reading from the NIC. a quick look with powertop should solve the mystery.

[@virtual812]

@@JeffGeerling 20W is only a 1.7 amp load on that PSU I really think your 5A supply is overkill, thats 60 watts, plenty even for 2.5" mechanical drives. What we really need to know is how much power can the 12v to 5v reg on the SATA board handle, that will be the bottleneck. Plugging in a larger brick is not going to increase the capabilites of whats on the PCB.

[@kevinshumaker3753]

Red Shirt Jeff has Jeff's mannerisms and voice down pretty well, and is not nearly as manic as 'normal'. Gotta be careful, he might be able to take over the channel!

[@yetzt]

Juggling chainsaws, touching live wires, installing OMV... just Red Shirt Jeff things.

[@b0ntr4g3r3]

Is Yellow shirt Jeff normal? And where does blue shirt Jeff fit into this video. (Yellow 0:00 Red 23:35 Blue 30:35)

[@talbech]

Jeff, you are simply becoming the go-to guy in the RPI community. Best videos out there covering RPI related stuff. Awesome work. Keep it up.

[@plica06]

Ahm, it's been that way for years.

[@nakfan]

I really like the relaxed style with fewer cuts 👍

[@SDWNJ]

Yellow shirt Jeff breaks fins off the heat sink. Red shirt Jeff: "He took ma jarb!"

[@DigitalJedi]

Notice that yellow shirt Jeff still advised against doing it yourself. He's like a mellowed-out version of the real deal.

[@GuillaumePicquet]

Tip : tell kernel to clear caches between measurements `sudo sync` `sudo bash -c 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'`

[@jon1913]

Jeff bringing back YOLO for 2024. BTW, experimental with pi builds is my favorite content on your channel. Keep them coming!

[@Charlemagne89]

I would love a CM5 motherboard in the future which is loaded with SATA ports and networking so that we can do these experiments all in one place...

[@JeffGeerling]

Ditto!

[@aGirts2015]

I've been checking thrice daily for when this would drop (as my penta hat has been in the mail for a week now). Thanks as always for the service you provide to the community Jeff!

[@JeffGeerling]

Ooh I also hear Michael Klements is working on a case design for this box!

[@VinnyVidiVintage]

I love how you took something that you said was not going to be jenky like some of your Raspberry Pi 4 attempts, and ended up making it jenky anyway to get the 2.5 networking working.

[@JeffGeerling]

Hehe the jank must happen!

[@TechnoMasterBoy]

It was janky long before that, when he had to break off the fins on the heatsink just to fit the board that hold the SSDs.

[@TaylorMadeMoment]

I had 0 idea what was going on this entire video but I randomly got recommended to your channel so I hope I can learn a bit more because I really like your way of explaining things.

[@ur1friend437]

I think this was an extremely practical experiment. Also, I like to let you know that you don’t need to be practical with your experiments because I enjoy all your experiments and the more bizarre and impractical they are, the more I like them.

[@nekomakhea9440]

If your pi NAS is bottlenecked, then clearly you just need a cluster of pi NASes with a distributed file system to fix it!

[@JeffGeerling]

I like the way you think lol

[@HaydonRyan]

Really loving the miniturization of these setups, size and power. It makes me wonder how well this would work in a Van. Seems like a perfect use case for portable storage on the go.

[@joeisuzu2519]

Jeff, you are always very thorough & realistic. We thank you for that. Other channels, not so much. Sets you apart from others by a significant margin. Excellent video. Thx

[@yalopov]

The year of Raspberry PI DIY NAS is getting closer and closer, I can smell it Awesome video

[@tiestofalljays]

The year of the PiNAS.

[@TomatePasFraiche]

This, this will be my first NAS project

[@sprint955st]

I’d like to see a head to head with a similar priced/configured prebuilt NAS

[@uelmills]

Thanks Jeff. Exactly the project I am planning to build this year. Your tutorials and documentation are fantastic.

[@CreateTeen]

Love listening to these in the morning, starts the day right

[@shtthemnky]

Checked your blog as well Jeff. I'd feel quite proud achieving a such a NAS in that footprint. With a wood case perhaps even my wife would let me have it on display and brag about it. Keep on with the good work. Blessings

[@robertharker]

About cooling. Create a wider space between the boards. Get a wire wrap female header. Clip the leads to make it a 2x?? spacer and get longer hex studs to separate the boards. Provides better cooling for the Pi as well. Great video.

[@TomaszStachewicz]

I've built a NAS with this hat and Rock Pi 4B (that was long before Raspberry Pi 4 and Rock 4B does have that nvme slot with a few pcie lanes) but with 4 3.5” HDDs. Wiring them with SATA extender cables was funny, as the Chieftec chassis I've used has separate SATA data and power connectors. The 5V power supply on the hat is adequate: the datasheet for the step-down converter used on this hat specifies a maximum of 10A. So that's enough for the SBC and the drives (the 5V line is shared with SATA power). Overall a very solid and well-designed product. Too bad ARM means being limited to OpenMediaVault. It does run solid on Armbian so no quarrel here.

[@AA0Z]

This takes me back to the days of when I was building NAS devices with early linux distros and random hard drives. It was basically all trial and error. Learned a ton but man, did I spin a lot of wheels just split balling to see if I could make it work. I love these "let's just see if this work" vids.

[@JeffGeerling]

I'll hopefully start doing the same with some weird radio projects soon too :D Love your channel!

[@porovaara]

Hey Jeff you keep accidently using nano instead of vi(m).

[@TradieTrev]

That setup was boarder line red shirt Jeff territory lol, guess that's what you get combining 4 different manufacturers into one DIY product. Excellent documentation as always!

[@RickMyBalls]

boarder line?? wtf?

[@lewsdiod]

Wow, amazing how many among channels from the Opensauce I'm following. Makes you think! But also, those I don't recognize might be worth checking out. Thanks for the tip. Also, cool NAS (figuratively, ofc)! Thanks for sharing! :)

[@MyTube4Utoo]

This is fascinating for this old man. My first computer was a Sinclair ZX-81 with a _massive_ 1k of RAM. I did buy the 16k expansion module though, so I was fine. *LOL* When I finally got a 'real' computer with a "mass" storage device, it was a PC /XT Tubo IBM clone, with an unbelievably large Seagate ST-212, 10 *meg.* (not gig) hard drive. Things have changed a bit. 😆 Thanks for the great video(s).

[@JeffGeerling]

1K is good enough for everyone! :D

[@JamesMorgan08]

I was so disappointed when you were doing the file copy with the Mac and benchmarking, glad you called it out at the end of the video lol, it actually has to do with SMB protocol and Apple. AFP/NFS on a Mac for benchmarking is totally fine, cheers

[@robertoguerra5375]

I think macOS does not support smb3… only smb2 I also have troubles with users and passwords Is there any complete guide to make samba or omv work 100% correctly with macOS?

[@cyberlord64]

I don't even need to click on any links to know that it's already sold out

[@lemon9.9]

Surprisingly, the sata hat isn't sold out

[@lemon9.9]

More surprisingly, argon is accepting new order or raspberry pi 5 in my region

[@manukalias]

This is tempting to run a Faster and More Capable NAS. Thanks for showing everything in detail, I would call that barrel jack and heatsink issue a design flaw by the HAT Manufacturer. Time to plan a Pi5 as, I currently run a small OMV based NAS on Pi3B 😅😅

[@VelcorHF]

I’m super impressed by the extra ribbon cable.

[@MichaelKlements]

It's exciting to see such good results from the Penta SATA hat, I picked one up a few days ago and am working on a 3D printed enclosure for it and the Pi 5. I hadn't thought to try to add 2.5G networking, that's something that the Pi has lacked when compared to come RK3588 based SBC options.

[@JeffGeerling]

Oh can't wait! Your enclosures are always ✨ Will you share the design on Printables? I would print it in a heartbeat!

[@MichaelKlements]

@@JeffGeerling yes I'll share the design on Makerworld to print

[@hoopnight4758]

Don't forget the fan

[@jasonkay42]

I love this build! I have the Radxa Pi 4 Quad NAS as my home NAS right now, so once the case and cooling top HAT come out, I may upgrade. (I recently bit the bullet and backed a NAS Kickstarter for the convenience.) I wanted to check on, as well, on how you’re feeling. You look pretty good in this video, so that’s encouraging! (And, I completely understand that you’re sick of answering, “How are you feeling?” Even though people are well-intentioned, it can be a lot when everyone asks. So, feel free to ignore this question - I get it.) Thanks for sharing your experience with the new SATA HAT, though! I can’t wait to upgrade!

[@JeffGeerling]

Feeling great! My new medication's been very good, minimal side effects, and I've finally had a whole year with no hospitalization... knock on wood!

[@jasonkay42]

@@JeffGeerling Oh, that’s amazing! Great to hear it, as it’s hard to ask for more than that!

[@yt.kirans]

Love it! Perfectly timed video as well as I’ve been thinking of building a compact RAID 5 NAS with nvme M.2 SSDs for the homelab and wondering daisy chaining using the HatBRICK! Commander could be an option. Looks like it might just work!

[@malekbadreddine9837]

Thanks for this video. I was waiting for radxa to release a NAS hat for RPI5. I was running the RPI4 version for a a few years and it work like charm(over USB3). I hope they will make a case for it like for the previous version and to make the PCI cable longer in order to cool the RPI5 with a low profile ICE Tower, I was able to reach 3400MHZ and with temps under 65c

[@tonysheerness2427]

For most home users that is more than adequate and the small size is a bonus.

[@RTheren]

Finally, Jeff's new PiNAS video. Can't wait to see his new PiNAS in action, doesn't look too hard to setup.

[@UpLateGeek]

Wow! You could already do anything with the old raspberry pie, now it looks like you can do even more with the 5! Once again proving it's the most versatile dessert ever. Seriously though, I'd like to see this paired with a 4 bay hotswap 3.5" drive enclosure and some spinning rust drives. I'm currently in the market for replacing my Synology, and while this doesn't come close to meeting my requirements, it could definitely be an option for a tech person with lower-end needs. But a future version could be more interesting next time I'm looking for a NAS, especially looking at the trajectory of SSD prices.

[@KarthikKumarViswanathan]

I was commenting about this on Twitter a few months ago. Now I actually see a sweet build here. Good Stuff.

[@KarthikKumarViswanathan]

1 suggestion: slam a 3D printed case on this, so it can sit as a box and one can plug it into the router. Probably it's high time they started bundling this together.

[@zambonidriver42]

RSJ with a 4” grinding wheel opportunity missed.

[@vinsan98]

I'm not in favour of Raspberry Pi tinkering for the purpose of NAS because, I just found these ASRock N100 motherboards with built-in Intel processors. It's basically a whole mini PC on a single board, for like the same price as a decked-out Pi setup with a hard drive and all those extra hats. Think about it: No more messing with software compatibility or overheating issues. This ASRock board is a simple, low-power option that comes with everything pre-installed like sata ports. Plus, it has regular PC connections like HDMI and multiple USB ports, so you can hook it right up to your monitor and peripherals just like the pi.

[@gvasilakis]

What about efficiency tho

[@vinsan98]

@@gvasilakis about the same as whole raspberry pi setup. My N100 board consumes 8/9 watts on idle.

[@cipnt]

​@@vinsan98 The Pi on its own will idle at about 2W I think, so a massive difference in efficiency for an always-on device

[@vinsan98]

@@cipnt I don’t think raspberry pi 5 with above configuration will consume 2 watts at idle. In the video at 24:11 you can see it is consuming 8 watts idle.

[@MSM5500]

Yes, the RPi gets a crap by all means. My 5 (five) years old Odroid HC4 board has got both native PCIe and SATA connectors right on board just for $70.

[@jeffflowers5489]

5:05 looks like a good time to attach any cooling apparatus you might choose to prevent smoke.

[@michamohe]

something like this with a case could make for an awesome little travel nas to take with you

[@user-rt9zq8rs9k]

Aha ! You're the reason there was a pi shortage !

[@syrus3k]

Jeff and Tom Stanton at open sauce.. well worth going. Except I can't nip over to the states so easy :(

[@simonsonjh]

That's a really nice little machine. It may become my next NAS.

[@g4gxl]

Great video. I like the kit reviews, but that was good as well. Have made a note of that camp site - looks nice.

[@macg5srock]

Hey Jeff, I’m not sure what options you set up in samba but because Apple reasons there are a number of Apple specific samba options you need to set in order for SMB to be competitive on MacOS. It’s all a bit of a black art, but the main settings can make a really big difference before getting into the weird ones.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

The Ultimate KZbin Channel Jeff Geerling.

[@David-yq6un]

As you say this is a fun experiment, thanks for the video!

[@christelting1359]

It needs to be able to power each drive up and down as needed to minimize power usage depending on application.

[@EbbayaRocha]

Jeff, you're absolutely right. I've got an Infiray P2Pro too. The software isn't as slick as my Flir One Pro, but man, the image quality is miles better. Plus, it's a lot cheaper than Flir.🤣

[@YasmainHurley]

Totally agree... but I reckon a software upgrade should fix that right up, then it'll be perfect.

[@JeffGeerling]

@@YasmainHurley Hopefully... they seem to be focused on some new products this year, so I won't hold my breath for the software :(

[@dmckrk]

Radxa ROCK 3A was perfect for this build, 2x pcie 3.0 and 1x pcie 2.1, ideal for top board and 2.5G ethernet, SoC is limiting RAID performace, but still well over 2.5G. setup uses about 8W (I'm running this it for a while). I'm using 4A 12V for power, less waste. eSata is yet another sata for 3.5" drive. Useful for external big hdd with power. Probably You are using OMV7 which moved mdadm to external plugin. That is why there was no such thing in menu, easy to add. Btw, more interesting is quad sata hat, uses two usb3 but has HW RAID. You will get pcie for 2.5g ethernet or even almost 10G. Also You can get opposite of that. Any RK3588 is way better, support pcie bifurcation so you can get 6x sata and 10G nic, already has 2.5G, wifi slot still free (another 2.5G nic or 2x sata, or coral tpu), also eMMC is just way better than sd card. Thanks for trying active cooler wit this hat so I dont need to reassembly mine with pi5, which I wanted to swap, but due to heavy jellyfin/plex problems its just bad idea.

[@asimms65]

Jeff Geerling: pushing what's possible with the Raspberry Pi!

[@makeitbetter9685]

Woah, Open Sauce looks freaking amazing!

[@Trains-With-Shane]

Linus had a pretty good video using that Rockchip NVME board. I think I like this solution being able to use 2.5" SATA drives due to cost per TB. Might have to build one of these! Well that is if and wen the Radxa boards show back up in stock.

[@nukedragonx8682]

You see the new radxa rock 5C and 5C lite? A raspberry pi 5 competitor, price is less than the pi 5 with rk 3588 (5C) or an another version without gpu and with 6 core. (5C lite)

[@JeffGeerling]

They look like good options, though at the same price points, the value is a little reduced. The 5C 2GB is probably the sweet spot if you want to get into that board, and don't need more than 2 GB of RAM. The Lite model is going to be a bit more annoying in terms of overall performance and desktop use, but could work out well in places where you don't need tiny desktop performance.

[@shapelessed]

The issue with these PI competitors I find to be quite frequent is the utterly nonexistant software support. They either die off or shift the software support to some newer generations. There are driver issues and a bunch more problems. Sure, they are great, because they keep the PI foundation moving forward through competition, but I'd still pay a few dollars more to get a PI and a known ecosystem, with well-known and established software.

[@kychemclass5850]

Tq Jeff. Re: Heat-sink mutilation.... I suggest people use extra or longer 'stand-offs' a.k.a. 'spacers' / 'hex-spacers' to increase the height between the two boards. If using a longer spacer, you'll probably need female-female spacers. If extending the existing ones you'll probably need a small male-female spacer.

[@ryan.crosby]

Very glad to hear that this is using the JMB585, it's an extremely reliable controller with extensively tested Linux drivers.

[@akurenda1985]

You should pick up the Friendly Elec NAS kit with their new daughterboard. 4x NVMe 3.0 1x slots and 2.5 GBe networking, all for less than $150.

[@JeffGeerling]

I have almost bought it a few times, but the total price of $180 or so including $40-50 shipping if I want it in less than a couple months keeps putting me off.

[@SchoolforHackers]

Oh, I’d be interested in seeing that!

[@zyghom]

NAS=200$, 4x 8TB SSD=2000$, If I had 2200$ I would have added 300$ and got something much better than RPi 5 with its all limitations.

[@TevisC]

You may want a very low power higher capacity NAS. I do.

[@motmontheinternet]

Then don't buy $500 hard drives.

[@strenter]

I might get the wrong impression here, but this looks about the only NAS to not only have the possible ability to fit within a big tower, but also can get powered by it.

[@WhimsicalViper]

Maybe start off with 1TB and buy more later. Some things become great over time and not at once :)

[@zyghom]

@@hugoleote did you read my comment? probably yes. Did you understand it? probably not ;-) - hint: "I would have added 300$ and got something much better... " - 500$ for the NAS without drives. And this is lots of money to chose something good, much much better than RPi5

[@guardian_bob7171]

My immediate thought when you enabled the SMB sharing was "oh, so they have improved SMB speed with Macs". Nice you caught that and retested with windows. I use sftp when pushing high volume data between Mac and Linux on the home network.

[@magnawavezone]

MacOS Finder copies on SMB to samba in Linux can easily saturate 10G networking, but it seems (my working theory) is the finder is polling the remote server for updates a lot. So you need some addl CPU to handle the extra requests. Which likely the PI is running very close to its limits cannot handle without some slowdowns. Plus samba is single threaded per connection, so those extra requests take time away from the copy. But using a MacOS machine FOR benchmarking is real world if your intent is to use macOS as a client.

[@alwynallan]

This seems perfect for a Ceph cluster. You could plug 4 into a switch and have a 5th at remote location, then configure for speed, redundancy, and offsite backup.

[@AdamHinckley]

Whenever you do the Pi NVR, could you do something related to how to back up the system, like the recordings to a NAS?

[@JeffGeerling]

I've actually been working on that; I might only touch on backups in my first video explaining it. And that might come out next week, or the week after... finally started working on the video after having the testing done for like 2 months now lol.

[@AdamHinckley]

@@JeffGeerling, good timing then, it would be good for you to touch on it and how to do to it, take your time on it though and do whatever is needed on it

[@DaRanged]

I gotta ask, what's the performance if everything is encrypted?

[@greensheen8759]

Should be the same. Samsung SSDs support encryption at the hardware level now

[@JohnnyMcMenamin]

Making a list and building one for myself. I'm happy to see a realistic PiNAS thanks to the 5.

[@MJohonez299]

My Pi4 Nas is literally called PiNAS. Couldn't resist. It stores all my steam games and movies/shows. Works amazing.

[@Genesis8934]

You're a one-man Starfleet crew. Emergency Jeff Hologram maybe? Went from Operations to Security to Medical and back to Security :D

[@JeffGeerling]

Hahaha

[@Ironic-Social-Phobia]

A 2.5 gb USB 3.2 gen 1 (gotta love the USB consortium) network card may have worked, wouldn't impact the drives.

[@Ryukoyume]

Finally a NAS that can fits in a bag and powered using a power bank that I can bring it anywhere I go!

[@garyboyles5762]

Under the stairs server, looking like a workable idea now! I could set an exhaust that goes out to warm other places in the house, and save some on heating.

[@davidmitchell7183]

As an alternative that is already here. Due to adapters, anyone can fit up to 6 ssds in a $50 Thinkpad T430 or $100 W530 if you want 32GB ram capability. To get the 6 drive capacity, you need to get 2 sata to m.2 sata x2 adapters for the main drive and cdrom replacement. Ali express sells pc card to nvme adapters so you can mount a 2230 or 2242 nvme drive in the pc card slot. Add a msata drive to the wwan slot and you are done. I'm not sure about the T430 but the W530 has raid 1, 0, 5 and 10 available through bios after 1vyRain mod.

[@TechnicallyUnsure]

Great video, love it and you beat me to it, I'll be uploading my video later today, did the same thing with Raspberry Pi and Rock 5A.

[@JeffGeerling]

Nice! I just ordered a 5C, Radxa's been making some great hardware... hopefully they can keep improving docs and support!

[@TechnicallyUnsure]

@@JeffGeerling I completely share your sentiments. Lately, my purchases from them have consistently exceeded expectations, particularly the quality of their boards. I echo your hopes for their continuous improvement, particularly in enhancing their documentation.

[@jollywgiant1760]

This is a great idea! Think ill build one in the future. Great video btw, super well produced! :D

[@jampskan5690]

They should use longer stand offs, and include a heat sync for that hot chip. Also, if there's a case it should then be taller. Maybe even a litter taller than it needs to be to perhaps fit a 2.5GbE adapter?

[@Gamex996]

asostor just dropped 12 slot m.2 nas, I think by far the most compact nas, and for that much 800$

[@theodricaethelfrith]

I feel like those things are ahead of their time. Why pay €1000 for an 8TB M.2 NVMe SSD when you can get an 8TB SATA SSD for €400? Even a single SATA SSD should be able to fill a 2.5gE Ethernet uplink almost 2x over again, let alone an array of them.

[@Gamex996]

@@theodricaethelfrith absolutely, 8tb price is absurd, you can find 4tb for about 200$ which somewhat reasonable

[@mglsj]

Finally we are approaching cheap diy daily drivable ARM based NAS

[@Cyber_Gas]

But one of the 8tb drive ssd costs like 5 times the raspberry pi 5

[@seshpenguin]

@@Cyber_Gas You can find stuff like the 1.8TB Intel enterprise SSDs used for decent prices.

[@mglsj]

@@Cyber_Gas Can use hard drives though

[@Cyber_Gas]

@@mglsj yes i know but like i meant he made it so expensive

[@BigDrewski1000]

This is a neat little device. Prefect for a content creator just starting out on their channel as its MUCH cheaper than a standard NAS that typically takes big 3 1/2 NAS drives. Yes, those SSD's at that capacity can be pricey, but if you're gonna be doing content creation of some form it seems like a reasonable investment to me.

[@PlayButtonWithNoViews]

This video is right on time! I was just about to build a nasberry pi!

[@JeffGeerling]

'Nas berry :D

[@muddkipp_1]

Nobody: Raspberry Pi: Look what I can do 🥰

[@dioneto6855]

24:58 didn''t watch everything yet, but before i forget, in OMV7 the software RAID management (mdadm) was moved to the plugin "openmediavault-md", or so i've heard.

[@JeffGeerling]

OOOOH... so that explains why everyone's tutorial had it listed, but it's not in there by default? Seems a bit odd to take it out and not replace it with anything else for RAID, since that's my main use case for ever using OMV. The ZFS plugin seems mature enough, they could install that by default IMO.

[@nurmr]

Also the documentation seemed to indicate that the drives needed to be wiped before RAID would work -- I'm not sure if that meant that the RAID option wouldn't even show up (I assume the plugin would need to be installed still though).

[@Rkrhlkum]

The moment you broke the heat sink fins! It hurts! 😢😂😂😂😂

[@keyem4504]

This is indeed a nice project. Great to see how far the PIs came. ZFS on one of these, wouldn't have thought that that's even an option. However, for a DIY NAS I'd go with a used Server like a Fujitsu Primergy or similar for ~70€ and TrueNas. This will be better in every dimension except power consumption.

[@AuntJemimaGames]

I've been considering putting a NAS together myself, and using a spare raspberry pi to do it. One of the major drawbacks I see is potential corruption of the SD card on power loss, then you're looking at either the additional cost of another drive to run it on, or a UPS to ensure consistent power delivery. It seems the benefits of the pi in this use case outweighed by how cheap and performant budget prebuilt machines are now. Pi is an excellent choice for other hobby applications, but it seems like the inferior option unless you're trying to achieve the highest possible power efficiency.

[@smolapril]

3:54 what are you doing step Geerling?

[@shapelessed]

I want one.

[@111elf1]

me two!

[@MadeInJack]

Me three!

[@thekingdomofbaddecisions7982]

LTT did a video on the CM3588 with 4 M.2 drives. He showed an adapter to go from one M.2 to 5 SATA drives. I'd LOVE to see a NAS with that but maxed out with 20 drives and compare it to this Pi 5 NAS.

[@lis6502]

22:31 it's steadier because of slower write speeds from buffer to the matrix so you're actually "in sync" between networking and io. In such mixed cases scenarios it's makes more sense to look at overall average and not the peaks.

[@jnda240]

Mac lacking proper UI for moving files in 2024 is just killing me XD

[@ktorn1]

I really appreciated the side note about the differences in tests with windows vs mac. you don't always see this focus on scientific method on youtube. earned my subscription.

[@Honiahaka1]

Man I love big Pi NASes

[@EvanBoldt]

I’m really liking the Aoostar R1 as a NAS since the N100 is a bit more powerful, built in 2.5G, and support for full size hard drives.