Why Real Racers Don't Like Sim Racers

[@LilyKittyFemboySimRacing]

Real people keep their shitty opinions to themselves

[@AustinOgonoski]

What exactly is "femboy sim racing?" Do you think Nicki Thiim would be interested in it?

[@LilyKittyFemboySimRacing]

It's called just being that sigma

[@octanegamer1576]

@@LilyKittyFemboySimRacing more like fatherless and desperate for attention

[@robertlucas1435]

@@LilyKittyFemboySimRacing doesn't seem very sigma

[@Nocxys]

@@LilyKittyFemboySimRacing i think you meant sugma💀

[@Bane_Diesel]

My first track day ever the instructor asked "Does anyone have any track driving experience at all enough to tell me what these flags mean... and I swear to God if you tell me your experience is from sim racing don't even bother raising your hand." I laughed a little because I knew what all the flags were from Iracing. I asked him later about it and he says he has people show up who are sim racers expecting to be put in the advanced groups purely based on their sim racing experience. When we drove on track he asked if I had been there before because I knew where I was supposed to drive on track. I didn't dare tell him it was because I had the track on my sim rig. I learned more from driving with him for an hour than I ever learned anything in my life.

[@TedHough68]

Thanks for sharing your expeirence. This brings up two really interesting points I've also noticed with my students: 1) Sims don't model flags properly for road racing 2) a Sim is usually best used as a circuit and/or procedure learning tool

[@DHRINC07]

I would have told him.

[@andreeeee517]

You should have told him honestly xD While he's right on people wanting to immediately be on advanced groups cuz they played on a sim, he maybe thought you can't get any good racing knowledge from it

[@JohnnyEMatos]

@@TedHough68 white flag in iRacing means "final lap" while in ACC it means "slow car ahead"

[@Delimon007]

@@JohnnyEMatos Shouldn't that flag be yellow 😂

[@B..P]

In 2005 Robert Kubica competed in the Polish Chamionship in Colin McRae Rally, he won it and then later was accused of cheating and getting help from organizers by other competitors on internet forums.

[@orcastrike7750]

They just weren’t ready for the GIGAKUBICA

[@isuckatthisgame]

@@orcastrike7750 that's also something nobody on the track would say

[@orcastrike7750]

@@isuckatthisgame “🤓”

[@JReaLBiz86]

I think the issue is the belief that all sim racing communities and, therefore, all sim racers, are this way. You get people who act like this about everything: football, basketball, baseball, table tennis, beer pong, cooking dinner, washing your car... it's everywhere. People who don't respect those who put in the time and effort to become professionals, or even amateurs. Or feel they've put in enough time to offer advice to a professional. You know... idiotic stuff. Sometimes it takes finding the right group in the crowd to enjoy the concert. Can't label the whole group delinquents for the behavior of a few, or even many. And if it's enough to keep someone from becoming part of the sim racing community, instead of seeking like-minded individuals and keeping an open mind... well, everything's not for everyone, y'know? But what you're dealing with are trolls. Not sim racers. Trolls take many forms, play many games, peruse many interactive online communities... but they don't speak for everyone.

[@TedHough68]

Me and Austin have discussed this extensively both on the podcast and privately, if you want the TL;DR = Nobody wants to come home from work and work extra, also speed runners/tryhard video game nerds aren't fun to be around. Use it to train, use it for fun, but respect the differences really.

[@kentonbrewer3232]

I don't know that I would say that doing extra work is a problem with racers. Racers come home from work and work countless hours to get out on track on weekends. To me the biggest thing is why work hard at sim racing when you could work on your real car and have more fun on the weekends? I still think iRacing and other sims are fun, I just don't put a lot of time into them with a real racecar in the garage.

[@octanegamer1576]

Dude, look at GDQ cringe comps or even smash players man

[@TedHough68]

@@kentonbrewer3232 Yeah, Sim racing and real racing aren't functional equivalents, and there's only 24 hours in a day. That's also a factor, for sure.

[@JediOfTheRepublic]

agreed, Ted! Good to see you around these parts. Learned a lot from you in the Driver61 masterclass. I hate the fucking tryhards with a passion. I feel like they should just form a tryhard club so they can annoy one another. I do feel the sim though can help one understand racecraft concepts. I relate it to flying, it should only be mainly used as a supplement.

[@TedHough68]

@@JediOfTheRepublic Funny you mention the flying parallels - I'm 3 weeks into a 7 month accelerated 0-time-to-commercial flight school and the AATD being best for learning flows/procedures but useless for "Feel" things and not a replacement for actual seat time is insanely similar to the disconnect I feel with sim racing. Obviously, the transition to Motorcycles for me has illustrated what the sim can and can't be used for as well, as they aren't useable AT ALL for 2-wheeled training. No commercial motorcycle sims available and motion sims to practice body positioning are very hard to come by.

[@TheA53ford]

Yeah I see both sides of this coin, my uncle is a local short track racer and I sim race. We talk about differences between both but hey we both support each other.

[@Puntatacosimuladores]

based

[@DJYeeJay]

I feel like iracing’s pricing model was created on purpose to keep kids away, but between 2008 and 2022 somewhere it became the norm to spend $200 a year on a video game you like. So yes we’ve been seeing a lot more “gamers” that bring their own problems. Overall though, I’m not really seeing much of the other things discussed in this video. Real life drivers are usually racing with each other in their discord calls and not rly giving a shit about the in game chat. I’d chalk up the thing keeping real life drivers away from the sim the most, is the amount of time needed to be competitive. Nerds like myself who has never touched a real race car, have all of the free time to dedicate to the sim. I can’t imagine it’s easy for a fast irl guy to boot up the game, crack a cold one, and compete in a satisfying way for them.

[@xxtherevlukexx]

Actually, i wouldn't even say 2008 and 2022. I'd say 2020 and 2022. Covid started all this shit, forcing NASCAR and the FIA to SIM racing instead of real racing. Which then caused a whole bunch of soft ass teenie boppers to get into sim racing because they thought it would be an easy "esport" to get into. While 90% of them don't even know how to drive a normal car going up and down the highway everyday... Which then people got soft inside the realm of sim racing, because they didn't want to get "cancelled." Gen Z is a cancer. They are all soft and feel like they are owed everything.

[@devinswearingen8756]

That's a great point. I've come across countless of irl drivers on iracing and I haven't really seen this kind of behavior towards them. I also feel that most times no one even acknowledges that there's an irl driver in the session. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I don't think the sim racing community as a whole deserves that kind of reputation.

[@toyotaecw]

I told a comment section on KZbin once for the price of their video game they could probably by an old Foxbody Stang or late model LS equipped Camaro and thrash it around at a local track day. Apparently calling iRacing a video game is akin to eating pork in a mosque because my lord was I ratioed.

[@kdcustoms1272]

Byron can do it. Lol.

[@JamesBalazs]

This 100% I spend a few hours a week on GT7 with a G29. Without a proper sense of depth/speed, real G forces, good brake and steering feedback, I struggle to be fast and consistent. If I go karting every few months IRL, I'm consistently in the top 3/4, only losing out by a few tenths to regulars that are members at the track. My times are generally consistent to within 1s between laps, traffic allowing. Now back to GT7, at my low DR I will easily pass half the field in a race. But 90% of races I get rammed or make one mistake, sending me back towards the back. The chance of this happening is halved if you qualify well, because you have clean air and more competent drivers around you, but to do that you have to grind an hour of qualifying before the daily race to get a perfect time (and perfect your line for the race) because that's what half the lobby is doing despite generally driving like ass with terrible consistency and racecraft when it comes to the actual race. I don't have time for that, so I rarely play sport mode. And if I did put the effort in to raise my rank, I'd end up getting gapped by even better people who have even more time to sink into the game Vs my 60hrs total.

[@heeltoeautomotive4962]

As someone who grew up sim racing and racing karts, PCA club racing, and currently racing in spec miata, I couldn’t agree more. A well populated amateur series like Spec Miata will have a driver battling every lap for position. The racing is hard and there are pro drivers who run with us. Sim racers are really just entitled dorks. I spend maybe two hours a week on a simulator and the rest of my free time goes to preparing my car and college. The older I get the less time I spend on the simulator running races specifically because the community is full of children or grown adults who act like children

[@pepefrog7456]

that’s y asseto cora is awesome. not the lame ass cutting up in traffic. but racing group c prototypes and gtx classics. but i do agree. real track time is paramount. unfortunately i’m not financially in a position to set up a second race car project yet. mostly just touge up the local backroads

[@enniomb335]

In my opinion, the problem with simracers is that they are still "gamers". If you try to play any casual videogame you'll still find lots of tryhards, feels like they have no better thing to do than to try so hard on a casual game while everyone is simply chilling, just to brag about how many kills they got or whatever the score system of the game is. I feel like kind of the same happens to some simracers, most of the people in an online lobby will try to have a clean race but there will always be that one guy or most likelly kid that has to ruin the race for everyone else. Im not saying winning = tryharding, when I talk about tryhards I talk about people not only trying so hard to win (and not caring at what cost) but also trying so hard to be the biggest asshole possible. Also, there is no "cost" on being an asshole, as they cant be dropped an f bomb, or anything else, they have no shame on being a dick. Another big difference is that real racers try to push themselves and their car to their limits, but these tryhards get to a point that they are not even trying to push themselves nor their car to its limits, but rather exploiting the game engine, physics, glitchs and stuff as much as they can. I know not all simracers are like that, but sadly this salty kids are the ones that get all the attention, making most of the people that look at the community from outside dislike it. This is just my opinion, different opinions are welcome.

[@alsoborte9057]

A sprint session at Queensland Raceway told me all I needed to know about the difference between sim racing and real racing. That was just against the clock.

[@TheTennessyean]

I think something lost on a lot of sim racers who’ve never driven a race car in real life, is how much of your cars set up is geared toward how fast can I go and be comfortable. It’s impossible to convey when you aren’t dealing with the physical load of driving a car at race pace. Race cars, in almost every way, will beat the crap out of you every chance they get.

[@vkr993]

Yeah that comment on Baldwin's video was laughable, you see a lot of simracers getting it into their head that just because they're fast in a video game that they now have the qualifications to tell actual racecar drivers how to do their job. There just seems to be a lot of warped perceptions about real motorsports as well as a healthy amount of Dunning-Kruger effect within the simracing community.

[@Paragleiber]

It's not just real racers who don't like sim racers. As a competitive gamer in arcade and simcade racing games (an actual nerd you could say) I certainly don't like them either because they constantly talk down the way that I play racing games as well. I remember seeing a Facebook post about the winners of a Forza Motorsport tournament (some of the most skilled Forza players in the world) and the comments were full of sim racers talking shit about them because they didn't play with wheel and with cockpit view. You say that sim racers are nerds and maybe from the perspective of a real racer it can look that way but personally I don't see them that way at all. They certainly aren't real gamers. Otherwise they would understand that there is nothing wrong at all with using chase cam, gamepad/keyboard or assists in games like Forza or Grid and that fast leaderboard times or good tournament results with those settings are perfectly valid and also require skill. But no, they only respect people who play racing games in the very particular way that they deem correct (if they respect anyone at all). And they would also use nerd as a negative term to describe people like those Forza pros, so I doubt that they would view themselves as nerds, lol. Actual gaming nerds like me want just as little to do with sim racers as real racers do.

[@johncarl5505]

Austin shat on Forza though lol.

[@TanaraKuranov]

I feel like this is a very specific subset of sim racers I, for one, love tearing up the local Maximum Tune machines once in a blue moon, heheh. Didn't do so well when a tournament rolled around, though. Ah, performance anxiety, my nemesis.

[@RowdyGT]

Imagine if the internet didn't listen to the most insufferable of humans all the time

[@KyoRedBladeZR1]

I like Sim racing because it was fun. Knowing early on that it could never fully 100% replicate the real deal. Now knowing that these theater kids basically ruined everyone else's fun is just sad.... Wish South Florida had some short tracks.

[@TedHough68]

If Physically able, consider motorcycles, almost as cheap as dirt track 4-bangers. - several rovals and road courses in the central florida region. Good luck have fun and stay safe.

[@Burned_Racer]

Central Florida Region SCCA is f*cking HUGE. They do all kinds of stuff down there. Another option if you're interested.

[@W123KartSport]

I feel like Jim Glikinhaus got into a heated debate about this very topic a few months back

[@diaryofabackmarker]

People really took it out of context. Which kind of only further's Austin's argument with the "theatre kids". It was directed at super cars posting their lap times, while never having actually had those cars race. He also said "No one is suggesting you shouldn't do something you enjoy. We are suggesting that you should try real racing and that is real is quiet different from sim racing" and that "Once again this was directed at a company that doesn't race anywhere stating that running their car around a race course for a few laps meant something"

[@AXIDNT66]

The James Baldwin thing kinda brings me back to the old trolling method where people would pretend they thought playing Guitar Hero made them equal musicians with actual guitarists, and would try to talk to guitarists about how hard certain songs are and so on. The overly PC sensitive thing can be chalked up to a general internet thing and I think is a little bit of a complicated subject, but it definitely has invaded sim racing since it's also an internet thing. In the context of sim racing though I do find it kind of interesting, and often hypocritical. Sim racing nerds will leave heartfelt comments on Jimmy Broadbent videos about how important/serious mental health is, but then be incredibly harsh towards other sim racers for mistakes and judge skill levels and mock incidents, essentially trying to make people feel retarded... but of course because they didn't actually say the word they can still pretend to be morally superior while they decorate their liveries with hashtags of whatever the trendy Twitter movement is at the time.

[@British_Dragon-4K-Simulations]

I have noticed this before as well. It's like a different or maybe new form of bullying. Pretending not to be the bully whilst mocking people, therefore being a bully themselves, but by thinking they are the morally superior one, it's fine. Just bizarre.

[@stewpuddy4161]

I'm a former amateur racer. And I sim race. I've never put this much thought into this. I sim race because I love racing and sim racing is the only way I can come close these days. But, I run in leagues with like minded racers. I don't even run in the main lobbies anymore because ever since covid I've noticed alot more squeaky voices that don't understand actual racing etiquette.

[@stuartwelker5495]

As a sim racer who legally races in real life (there’s actually a lot of us) I aim to race in organized sessions with drivers I trust, both in a sim and IRL. I wouldn’t race on track with a bunch of unknown amateurs for safety reasons. I avoid the same situation on sims in order to avoid the drama and heartache of the children who seems to thrive on public lobbies by knocking everyone off track. Most of the sim racers I race with don’t race IRL, but are still some of the most skilled drivers I’ve ever met. Sim races are often more competitive than IRL races.

[@YEEYEE-dy8tk]

I would assume most video game competitions would be more competitive than IRL competition.

[@mileshenessey]

@@YEEYEE-dy8tk For example: Counter Strike... Wait no, some soilders have already the capacity of killing someone in a time reaction of less tan 0.0003 milliseconds.

[@TurdFurgeson275]

@@mileshenessey ??? Do you handle a firearm when you play counter strike? Do you have a physical gun in your hand? Sim racing is totally different because you have the wheel, force feedback, and pedals. Barring the G force from the car, it’s an accurate simulation.

[@TurdFurgeson275]

I agree. I think the fact sim racers can take riskier approaches without fear of real world consequences lends to their skill.

[@mileshenessey]

@@TurdFurgeson275 Even flight simulation in a full motion flight simulator with a cockpit like a real plane you cannot feel the physics and forces of the flight ig that moment but is still a pretty incredible and very complete and complex simulation. And i was speaking about Counter Strike as a competitive game, not a sim.

[@nunyabusiness896]

You really only scratched the surface of the issue with sim racers vs real racers, here's some more points (coming from a circuit racer, I don't really care about or mess with oval): -Sim racers thinking sim lap times actually count and supersede real times I've seen so many people post on a youtube lap of the Nurburgring or on a "fastest lap" website about the time they ran in a sim in a given car/track. The time you ran after hucking the car into the wall 1,000 times in ways that would kill you in real life to get one fast lap does not play over someone that actually put their life and wallet on the line having to deal with every real-life imperfection in the conditions of the day, not even close. Furthermore, even the best sims are not 100% accurate, especially from a few years ago. Tracks have better pavement in sims (they do not replicate every crack and bump like iRacing pretends), the tires are more ideal and may have more grip than the real car, and you aren't subject to real G-forces nor will your car have the same kind of heat soak and wear to parts. Even the richest king couldn't get a car to a perfect starting point every time like you get in a sim, if the sims were even 1:1 modeled to real life. Your sim lap time means nothing. -Refusing to accept which sims are more accurate than others Ask any "le sim racer" and they will always call out iRacing, Assetto Corsa, or maybe Rfactor 2 as being the most accurate and will shit on Gran Turismo and Project CARS nonstop. Personally, and this opinion is shared by many other real racers/track drivers, is that Project CARS 2 probably has the best overall feel compared to real life, at least among the sims I've played, which is most of them. I can't confirm that the aero works right or any of that, but for low aero cars the "playful" nature of the tires is much closer to real life than Assetto or iRacing at least a few years ago last time I played it. Many pro drivers that took up sim racing during COVID came out and said a similar statement, citing that the "sudden catastrophic grip loss" of tires in most sims is not realistic at all and that they're constantly riding the edge of grip and going over it and reeling it back in because that's how real tires are. Even Gran Turismo 6 did a better job of feeling like a real car. I had been saying it for years before then, but sim racers just tried to tell me I sucked rather than taking it as valid criticism of the tire model and physics engine. -Cheating and exploiting to gain an unrealistic advantage Anyone that is intellectually honest and knows anything about online games know that cheats exist and will always exist. Cheating doesn't always mean having rocket booster acceleration going 200 mph in a Spec Miata. Modern cheaters know to only boost things 5-10% so it has plausible deniability. Then there's just general glitch exploitation. Like did you know that the fastest way to shift in iRacing is to map the clutch to a button your wheel and use the paddle shifters? Everyone using a real clutch pedal or the auto-clutch automatically are gimping themselves and finishing 5th when they might be capable of first. Then there's even weirder glitches like how you used to be able to spin around in a tight circle before qualifying and somehow that would make you run a faster lap. Then there's just things that are counter-intuitive to real drivers like how for the longest time iRacing insisted that cold tires on a cold track had the most grip, LMFAO no! The track was 60 F at Laguna Seca when I did a motorcycle track day there and they were running around the pits warning everyone to take it easy the first few laps because the track was too cold. An iRacer would've wished for a 40 degree track so they could "have more grip". Meanwhile I literally did a full 360 in a 2-stroke kart one day when it was 40-50 degrees even after scrubbing the tires for a full lap because the surface was just too cold. Then there's just goofy setups that would not work at all in real life but glitch out the physics engine, I downloaded a setup once that had so much grip the car looked like it was on hydraulics with so much body roll and the tires would just not let go. The turbonerds that spend all day figuring these things out will always have an advantage and it kills the fun for someone that just wants to hop in and apply what they know from real driving a couple of times a week. -Being dicks about sharing the best way to drive in sim and where it diverges from real life Take any popular competitive online game like PUBG and you will find multiple websites detailing the mechanics of every gun, making recommendations on best loadouts, etc. With iRacing, they want to send you to a Skip Barber Going Faster video as though a beginner-level real life racing video is going to cover all of the wonky physics in the game that vary from real life. Then, when you try to take it head on in the forum and ask for what the game actually wants and mention some things like cold tires and button clutch, etc., you get called a tin foil hatted conspiracist and then thread gets locked. How can I compete and enjoy a sim if people won't be honest about how that sim wants me to drive for success? I'm not going to spend 100 hours a week trying everything possible to figure it out, that's stupid for a game that doesn't make me any money and doesn't ultimately mean anything, just pure drudgery so you can maybe win a single race right before the schedule changes again. -G-Forces matter I touched on this above, but part of racing is the physicality of being tossed around and having to exert physical force to stay in control of the car. This is even more the case with slicks and/or downforce. So many top sim racers are pudgy soy boys that simply cannot cope with real G-Forces. Gregor Huttu threw up on himself when he drove a Formula Mazda in real life, iRacing surprisingly didn't edit out that part. He was also embarrassingly off pace compared to even a casual amateur racer. Why? No physical ability to drive a real race car, and also likely that as mentioned above his success in iRacing is more from finding exploits in the physics engine of the game than actually being the best driver. He's a programmer professionally, so no wonder he could figure out how to dissect the game code to figure out the best way to drive it. _________________________ There is one thing that grinds my gears from real racers, though, specifically from older "instructors" at track days and likely it's the fault of too many sim dorks creating a precedent, but people will scoff when you say you know a track layout and the racing line from a sim and completely dismiss you. I've learned numerous real tracks with sims and am basically on pace within the first session because I only need to adapt to the grip of that day and any small elevation changes that weren't as apparent in the sim. Sim racing is a valid way to get a leg up on real tracks and it's frustrating for some pompous douche to declare on high that you can't possibly know the track and wants to shove you in retard beginner group with the lost Boomers in their car show Corvettes. I'm not paying $400 just for the track day fee alone to go slower than I sometimes can go on a back road somewhere. This is why almost all of my real racing experience is on karts or motorcycles because I just refuse to play the gate-keeping bullshit game the car organizations want to play. In karts and motorcycles, it's basically "go send it, just don't hit anyone", there's no fat arrogant Boomer sitting next to you panicking every time you actually try to run at a reasonable pace. Bottom line: sim racing is a great starting point for someone that wants to get into racing by basis of being affordable, accessible, and having no physical harm risk that just getting on track and sending it would have. I honestly owe my ability to figure out racing lines faster and better than anyone I know to Gran Turismo 6 and a ton of experimentation on Kart Space II. Lots of the fast drivers only get on pace after following a driver that knows the line, I usually can figure out the line on my own in a session or two. That said, it does not supersede real race driving whatsoever and should never take precedence for things like lap times, ideal technique, etc. I don't think I've ever seen a sim racer not be on an accelerated curve compared to a complete beginner, but without some kind of cross training and physical fitness it's also rare to see a successful sim racer be fast in a real car out of the box.

[@tylermeehan6117]

Writing an essay is true dedication

[@LilyKittyFemboySimRacing]

Like I said. Shitty opinions

[@waltersobchak8080]

Nick Yeoman is also an announcer on IndyCar Radio, which tells you all you need to know about IMS and Penske Entertainment, currently

[@nickyeoman2125]

LOL

[@waltersobchak8080]

@@nickyeoman2125 Classy

[@therealjuralumin3416]

I feel like a lot of the political stuff is very US-centric and not applicable to the rest of the world, the main reason I feel that real racers dislike sim racing is because a lot of racing sims make themselves overly difficult while claiming it's realistic, and many sim racers who have never raced in real life defend this and consider their mastery of these physics a badge of honour, but then you get real drivers who have a go and say that the cars are too loose, the tires lack grip, and the physics in general feel too exaggerated. During COVID we had so many racing drivers from series like V8 Supercars, IndyCar and NASCAR saying the real cars were easier to drive, and this upset a lot of the sweaty sim racers, which in turn just put-off real drivers from taking part.

[@octanegamer1576]

While there are benefits to sim racing since the cost of maintance is lower because when buy a base wheel and pedals with a shifter, you can make it last and the ability to race anytime of day is convenient. But despite all that, I do agree people take sim racing so seriously and the disconnect between sim and reality people thinking that can get into IRL racing because they put thousends of hour into a sim is just a pipe-dream.

[@jackmagnium6115]

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[@Nakim-iu7mw]

The example of a bad chess club with a bunch of racing games brings me so many memories. Man like, my classmates made chess hell for me when I got into it. Nobody wanted to help me instead helping some else just because they weren't annoying like me. They would always make me play against pro players just so they make fun of me for being bad. Hell one time, they wouldn't shut up about the time my little sister beat me (I couldn't even be a nice brother).

[@superninja252]

As someone that also likes Chess, i am sorry for you Try hards suck on ANY level

[@markstill8258]

Except at chess club you can physically get your hands on the nerd talking smack and shove him in a locker.

[@twalt_twr]

As an amateur racecar driver who had quit playing iracing for this exact reason, I can vouch lol. Not to mention the fact that the way you setup the dirt sprint cars makes no sense compared to irl

[@theatagamer90]

iRacing dirt is just a fucking mess. I don't even drive dirt or race in general but it's just off somehow.

[@twalt_twr]

@@theatagamer90 it’s the only somewhat decent sprint car sim sadly😭😭 lets just hope Monster Games has nothing to do with Motorsport Games with the soon console release

[@dennisbowen452]

@@twalt_twr it seems to be a best of both worlds with world of outlaws. Then again, Jeff favigno is the only one i seen play it and well, we know he's not a sellout but idk if he can be 100 percent honest or not. We'll see with the game

[@twalt_twr]

@@dennisbowen452 yeah I have seen that video. Almost seems like a reskin of the tony Stewart game hopefully the physics aren’t the same. He was playing on a wheel and it looked okay…

[@paulo143PE]

The guy on the first screenshot is Nick Yeoman, and believe it or not, he actually works on broadcasting races for the IMS-owned IndyCar Radio.

[@moparty4409]

First time I have ever drag raced was a week ago at the Halloween classic int those 5 days I witnessed Two guys get in a fist fight over a girl. A brawl between two pits on where the pit line was drawn. Somebody threw a punch at the ref then get beaten the shit out by said ref. Half the dudes who did the wheelie contest were impaired in some way. Best time of my life but, then in Sim racing I can't even tell someone to fuck off?

[@AustinOgonoski]

This is exactly what I mean.

[@DanielTheFreak]

But then they get so sensitive about being called a bust?

[@moparty4409]

@@DanielTheFreak you make a career out of something you love which is a better deal then most people get and, somebody who's only interaction with the sport is games, calls you shit? Yeah I would be pissed too. Wtf is even your point. "Yeah they get mad about being called a bust" We already know that racers are mad 24/7 How else would we get shit done.

[@4_14_fan]

It's so refreshing for someone to point this stuff out, kids on iracing are just so unfun to be around, if I didn't have an iracing friend group idk if I'd even do races in iracing, the Main reason I use iracing and sim racing in general is to get better at driving, and it is a useful tool, but the community (like almost everything on the internet) is absolutely terrible, I run into people within NASCAR occasionally and I just have fun with it and race my hardest while still respecting them, but most people just can't do that. And I'm a 16 yr old saying this 😂

[@farcoughcoldnflu]

It's unfortunate that the only way to get around this problem is to host your own lobbies so you have control and influence over the culture of your sim racing environment. It means that getting into sim racing is difficult for those who aren't able to convince their friends to join in too. You sort of need to know the right people to get an enjoyable race going.

[@Aldiyawak]

5:18 yeah, sound argument. As much as I want to mock Nikita Mazepin, he _has_ driven an F1 car while I haven't.

[@caaarlos]

The kind of "nerd behaviour" "anti-cool" described in the video makes the Sim Racing scene dry out pretty quickly. On an online game you can find the same tards that could be "full-time reddit or discord or twitter mods" lol. On a race track with real people: just to get there racing is already challenging. It takes a different class, a whole different level of human being we're talking about. It would be the same as for me comparing a Jam Session bettween professional and/or trained musicians in a jazz club, with a jam session with some 'dudes' in some shithole full of junkies and drunk people who can barely even talk.

[@casondajoint9505]

TLDW The world doesn't agree with my backwoods views on things and when I try to take it beyond my backyard, people pick on me. Waah.

[@PURENT]

I'm not surprised that these games have such stringent rules on behavior. Sim racing happens from behind a screen, you don't see any of your competitors in person. They're gamers, and there's a lot of poorly behaved gamers out there who are prone to gamer moments. They start dropping all sorts of vitriol, slurs, and even death threats because there's nothing you can do about it. That doesn't happen in person because people have a filter that protects them from the situation where another person's fist is in their face. Worst case you get called an asshole, most people have skin that's thick enough to brush that off. But using the confederate flag and other controversial symbols I can't agree with. I don't care if it means something different in their already questionable "culture" and "heritage," the symbol has a negative connotation and is associated with a negative history. Asian Americans are respectful enough not to use swastikas despite it being a symbol associated with good luck and positivity in their Hindu or Buddhist faiths & culture. I don't see why white Americans can't have the same respect. Trump flags and other Trump apparel is fair game, if people want to show their political opinions they can do it. Although I find people who purchase and publicly display such political apparel to be pretty loudmouthed and dumb.

[@topscorer212]

This just sounds like a white dude being pissed about woke culture and conflating that to why others don’t want to do sim racing.

[@iRacerJared]

Every time I think about getting back into it he releases another video and I’m like nope to old for this shit

[@NASCAR_Junk]

Don’t go back. Best decision I’ve made this year is to quit it. My membership still has 3 months left though because I paid for a year of it.

[@sulphurous2656]

This has to be the most brutal and realist assessment of Sim Racers I've seen in a while, since the comparison was made between iRacing players and World Of Warcraft addicts.

[@AustinOgonoski]

Wouldn't really call it brutal. Imagine you're a crew guy for a World of Outlaws team. You have to swap a rear end out because Kasey Kahne flipped in the heat and destroyed the car. You and the boys get it done in 30 minutes, sporting bloody knuckles and cursing the whole time, but at least Kasey is back out there. After the show you and the boys head to a strip club. Kasey finished 5th. It was a good night. Your next day is an off day so you decide to do some iRacing. Your hands still kinda hurt but you suffer through it because you love sprint car racing You call some kid a fag for chopping you in turn two but don't think twice about it. Within an hour an email arrives saying you've lost voice chat privileges for 6 months and "need to be more respectful to your fellow competitors." This is the culture shock these guys are having to deal with.

[@sulphurous2656]

@@AustinOgonoski Yeah, I meant brutal in the sense of an armor piercing response to something or someone. Perhaps not to the extent or severity of a "the reason x sucks" speech, but the video does another fine job of casting a very harsh light of reality on an often overlooked subject matter of Sim Racing and Sim Racers themselves.

[@PeppermintRage]

@@AustinOgonoski perhaps the culture where throwing slurs around is normalized is the one that should change here, not the other way around

[@AustinOgonoski]

@@PeppermintRage I'm allowed to shout fuck if I bang my knuckle working on my car, dad.

[@PeppermintRage]

@@AustinOgonoski ...right because "fuck" is the word you used in your example there.

[@StudioDaVeed]

While MS Flight Sim and iRacing are apples and oranges; I spent 10+ years flying and joined iRacing 3 years ago just pre-covid. Regardless the competitive factor on iRacing vs the flight sim; the difference in the overall (forums/etc) community was stark. And most of this came from what I call the Long Timers in iRacing, those who had been around for some time. (There are some fantastic folks in iRacing but it seemed the majority were dickheads.) MSFS Q: Where do I find the autopilot button? A: Pull up the center panel, you'll find it there! Three Green! iRacing Q: How do I change the tire pressure? A: You need to do your own research and LEARN your car!!! Then another Long Timer jumps in: HAHAHAHA, he can't find the tie pressure, LMAO! You get the picture. The other thing was the sheer rabid defense and 'love' for iRacing bordering on a religious fervor usually saved for religion and politics.... and whether or not gold plated speaker wire produces better sound; eyeroll....

[@gbw28]

You raise many good points here. I will take issue with the argument that for the price of a high end sim rig a person can go real racing instead. There are many more costs involved with racing for real. Tyres, parts, fuel, entry costs to races. Then you have to store, transport and maintain the vehicle. For many this is not something they are the least bit interested in and along comes sim racing which negates the hassles of rl racing and a person can still enjoy much of the thrill of racing and competition in the virtual realm instead. Also sim racers can "travel the world" and race on tracks all over, instead of being limited to tracks irl where money, time and distance lessens the ability to savour a variety of venues. Sim racing also offers a huge variety of different cars to enjoy. I'll take sim racing over real racing every time, but that's just me and my preference.

[@JPKelly-xr7tr]

This.

[@P1nkR]

He should have stopped at his valid points about why real racing drivers prefer not to mingle online with the nerds. I'm one of the nerds I guess. I have zero interest in racing a real car but will happily spend some money on a good simracing wheel. Granted, only the amount that would get me an afternoon at a go-kart track, but still. I also think that people spending $10.000 on a bad ass sim rig will have enough to also spend that amount on a real racing ride if they wanted to. I just do not think that the majority of them want to do that. Quite simply put: real racing and simracing are two different worlds. For starters: one of the two can get you seriously injured or even killed. Oddly enough not everybody's up for that.

[@dobakito]

​@@P1nkR Its your last point that has been the reason why it's hard for me to invest more than I have into sim racing. IRL racing is serious. It has to be because of the money and potential consequences involved. The driving standards are generally low in sim racing not because people are less talented, its because they know they won't get hurt... So they drive like they won't get hurt. Lack of consequences sucks a lot of the intensity and satisfaction out of the experience.

[@StarTrekGeek47]

@@P1nkR Even then though, $10K on real racing will get you a Miata or other stock car just above lemon class and damages and tires for a year or two. That same $10K on a rig will enable you to get any car, in any class, for as long as your computer isn't outdated and still runs, which could be ten years or more. The prices aren't even remotely the same. Plus too, I have what I'd call a fairly fancy rig, and I've probably spent $6K on it OVER the course of four years.

[@jackmagnium6115]

@@P1nkR wrong again kzbin.info/www/bejne/epWQn5R3m6h1hKc if you have your stuff calibrated and know how to do from a sim. you can easily bust it out on the real deal. thats like someone bringing a power drill instead of a screwdriver

[@personofthefield]

Video game nerds are difficult people

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

1:11 wait... is that IMS Radio commentator Nick Yeoman???

[@LeilaRWilson]

As someone who does both, I can agree... Racing on iRacing is a ton more stressful, and just not fun because of that. I have to completely avoid public/official sessions because it was absolutely intolerable for the reasons you listed in this video. I'll add one. Never has anyone in real life told me "I have a baby I want to put in you," to me, but someone said that to me in a Late Model practice on here. I get a ton of "ARE YOU REALLY A GIRL????" and people trying to date me. These things also do not happen in real life, and it makes iRacing all the more frustrating.

[@UnderwaterAlexJones]

YWNBAW

[@LeilaRWilson]

@@UnderwaterAlexJones Yeah, I get a lot of those, too, which is confusing.

[@MrSilverfish12]

That´s so strange because those same people saying that will also try to get someone banned for being sexist. Its nuts

[@NASCAR_Junk]

You’re probably the only female some of these dudes have interacted with in the last year

[@mosh.4245]

@@MrSilverfish12 A lot of it is just projecting. they need to show the world that they respect woman because behind close doors they are some of the most deranged creeps.

[@JadenHolderRacing]

As a real amateur racer, you hit the nail on the head. I’ve had countless amounts of people tell me to get on IRacing to get better but I have no interest in it at all for the exact reasons you explained in your video.

[@kylebarnett7566]

I gotta ask because I am curious, do you practice at all on any sort of racing games virtually or just avoid it all together? I've seen many just avoid it all together which is a shame yet I understand completely why they take that route.

[@JadenHolderRacing]

@@kylebarnett7566 I’ve played plenty of racing games and I still do every once in awhile. I just typically avoid the online portion of the racing games because everytime I try I get wrecked or get a big long message about how to properly race lol

[@thrillhillracer3]

Having done both, I can see how it could be beneficial, mainly for honing race craft. It may save a young driver some money to run a lot of races on iRacing prior to making their first start in a real car, just so they learn situational awareness….then again, nothing teaches situational awareness better than spending three weekends in a row in the dirt replacing yet another rear end housing or RF upper A arm. Eventually you get tired of that crap & drive smarter.

[@JadenHolderRacing]

@@thrillhillracer3 haha yeah that’s true, I race micros and we’ve raced every single weekend the last 5 or 6 weekends and it’s fun when you don’t tear anything up. Last year I went 4 weeks in a row replacing front axles. I understand it’s a lot cheaper to run iracing but to me personally nothing compares to the actual thrill of real racing

[@coca-colatrackhousewarrior9925]

As a former PS2/GameCube owner console racing is better than sim racing

[@saintsheepy6682]

Apparently the iRacing developers who made this game never saw an actual race/what goes on behind the scenes; one of my favorite modern shows I got on Amazon was _Race Night At Bowman Gray,_ where bleeped expletives went flying.

[@Moosen.]

I would consider myself a weird liberal band kid nerd type but I totally agree with everything you said. Other sim racers make my skin crawl with cringe

[@orcastrike7750]

Seriously, like if I’m in a conversation with someone and they’re like “yeah I’m a sim racer” like it’s some sort of achievement or respectable status, I’m gonna leave the conversation.

[@isaiahharris1029]

I've always said that a sim is a great supplement to real world driving. But is not a replacement. I use it to practice drifting in between the gaps of when I can do it IRL. But what makes people who do motorsports inn the real world deserving of respect, is that there's real world consequences for their mistakes. I've had plenty of times going off track, where i had to fix my car trackside. So, most are too scared to get behind the wheel or lazy to figure a way into motorsports. There's a difference between driving something that's an interpretation of how something should feel vs. how it really is.

[@orcastrike7750]

Based

[@orionexplorer]

I couldn't agree more. Now I have not raced an actual race car, Formula Ford or some local dirt track car, but I have done the old Solo II in the SCCA and FCCA (Four Cylinder Club of America which in now defunct) in the 1980's and I have done indoor kart racing with gas power karts in the 2000's. I learned a lot about racing doing this besides being a racing fan since I was 10. That was the year Al Unser won the Indy 500 by 2 laps in 1970. I am not fast in iRacing (Division 8 for racing & Division 9 for Time Trials) but I do know how to race. I understand racing line, how to cover the approach to a corner to keep you position, and so on. I have been called a nOOb by other drivers in races, wrecked for fun, hit from behind by a faster driver who does not know how to pass when I gave them the inside line in a corner. It got so bad that I stopped racing and running Time Trials. I have a whole collection of certificates from that to include 2 Overall Certificates. I want to race and am tired of just doing Time Trials that I have now created AI racing championships for me to race. These kids now tell me I have no idea on how to race are old enough to be my grandchildren. They don't have any idea on how to race in real life only on the sim, and there they learn bad habits on the track and behavior as well. They think they are the greatest and the rest of the drivers need to bow down and kiss the ground they stand on.

[@rookieonraceway]

I know this is old but there has been a case where a monster truck could not run in an event because of a confederate flag. "In August of 2018, the truck was scheduled to run two fair shows for Monster Events, but was replaced by Instigator the night before. The reason was that the fair decided that the truck could be considered "offensive" because of the confederate flag on the roof. The team and Monster Events offered to run with the roof covered, but the fair declined."

[@ep3lol]

Or maybe they just like racing and aren't all that interested in video games.

[@saturnalis8813]

As someone who just simply enjoys sim racing, I can't stand other sim racers, they're all mostly the same. Running short races, having garbage opinions, being dirty racers, and over all just being weird terrible people, and that's why I don't really sim race as much as I used to, the sim racing community is full of weirdos who would rather spend there time with sim racing toys instead of actually seeing the real world of racing, and the community is only getting more and more toxic too.

[@gamerageandhobbyrcdu]

I wonder what Austin’s reaction would be if he learned there sim racers who go around pretending to be someone else who actually races in real life

[@AustinOgonoski]

This was the Tanner Gray thing right?

[@gamerageandhobbyrcdu]

@@AustinOgonoski no no no, this happened like a year ago and is something I got to witness first hand, and goes a bit further into the weird as fuck territory than the tanner grey situation, this dude straight up took a guys like full identity

[@AustinOgonoski]

@@gamerageandhobbyrcdu This sounds intriguing. Details?

[@gamerageandhobbyrcdu]

@@AustinOgonoski this is something that would better for twitter dms

[@AustinOgonoski]

@@gamerageandhobbyrcdu Go for it, this sounds fun.

[@DHRINC07]

Excellent video. As guy who races currently in the Trans Am series I use iRacing as a teaching tool to learn tracks and practice my craft I have noticed that when I do not excel in the Sim racing we tend to catch a lot of flack from guys that only sim race. I came to SIM racing because as a professional pilot we use Sim’s all the time to learn new aircraft and stay current .

[@shawndixon4536]

The people you talk about are "keyboard warriors" that would get their a$$ kicked saying the exact same thing to somebody in person. They are "protected" by being in front of a screen and the best thing to do is ignore them or just walk away. I did that to FB groups that didn't like how I personalized my vehicle. Wasn't worth my time being involved with people like that!

[@shawndixon4536]

Ironically did the same thing with a few FB groups for the same reasons, especially a Jeep group I was in when we had one, and a local truck group.

[@cameron5802]

Love that you mention the affordable racing forms IRL or the "amateur" racing leagues. Modified racing is some of the best god damn fun I have ever had watching and the mad max aesthetic makes it all the better, spec miata, dirt ovals, etc, have some of the best stories as well, and bashing on somebody for finding their niche inside a niche is ridiculous, especially when they would woop your ass up and down the track if it came to it.

[@lawerancelanham]

Maybe, just maybe...people would start teaching some manners to folks. That's all the world needs, let alone sim racing. Manners. Respect for one another. You know, that pipe dream because nobody seems to care.

[@Ivy_Panda]

On your first point, in real life if someone tried to attack me at a race track, I'm sure there would be plenty there who would jump in to defend me. In an online setting you need to have zero tolerance for hate and hate symbolism or else you get people just constantly using slurs for fun or to attack people. I just want to race, I don't want to be called slurs or attacked because I have a female name by incels that have never heard of a girl. Keep in mind that there's a good chance you don't know how often minorities are attacked in these settings because you don't encounter it yourself. HOWEVER, knocking someone off track and posting about it on Twitter is really stupid, I hope they got banned honestly. That crap doesn't belong on track.

[@bpcXD]

This is why when I ( hopefully ) get a pc I’m probably just gonna get beamng and assetto Corsa and maybe a dirt rally game, online is just way too much, and I know I’m not gonna go a race without saying the f word, I’m just going to stick to fun single player games and not get involved in this

[@debunkingpopulism2976]

I remember of a group of native Americans bull riders who hear redskins on their chaps ad helmets to show support for the football team when that was the biggest news topic.

[@Smaaaaaash]

Also, people who drive IRL don't experience sims the same way sim racers do. If you sim race for a long time, you build a mental connection between the feedback of the wheel and the 'feel' of what the car is doing. This takes time to develop, but once you have it, you can 'feel' the weight of the car shifting around and 'feel' the level of grip you have etc. Once you move into a real car, you get this same sensation plus a lot of additional feedback (like G-force). If you drive IRL and you try a sim for 10 minutes at some promotional event, you suddenly have all the sensations you rely on taken away and since you haven't had time to build up that mental connection, the sim is going to feel completely disconnected. Because of this, real-world drivers who haven't had a lot of sim experience are very quick to dismiss sims as video game nonsense and this leads to heated arguments.

[@UnderwaterAlexJones]

>Because of this, real-world drivers who haven't had a lot of sim experience are very quick to dismiss sims as video game nonsense and this leads to heated arguments. This is a reach and a half.

[@Smaaaaaash]

@@UnderwaterAlexJones I've literally seen it happen. The whole Glickenhaus incident is a good example.

[@TMVideoProductions]

You're not wrong, but there is a flip side to that. It's really easy to concentrate when you're sitting in a comfortable chair in a climate controlled room. When you first go out on a real track, the vibrations, physical demands, and the danger all severely affect your ability to focus. With karting, for example, you only have half a seat, you need to hold up the top part of your body. It can be really hard to do that and still hit consistent lap times. The drivers that can do that generally have a lot of experience and are on another level compared to a rookie who's only done sim racing before.

[@Smaaaaaash]

@@TMVideoProductions I think you've missed my point. Of course real racing is much more physically demanding as well as needing other skills that sim racing doesn't teach you (like being able to notice/diagnose an issue with the car etc). My comment was about how real drivers don't appreciate sims in the same way sim racers do because they literally don't experience them the same way. You can learn how to control a car with a sim to a pretty impressive level of proficiency, but some real-world drivers don't believe that at all. I remember one broadcast where a commentator said 'you can't prepare for loss of traction or locking up on a sim because you can't simulate it' for example.

[@SosaKinkos]

This is my favorite channel for the next two weeks until I run through all the content. These rants are amazing

[@GunfightersINC]

I'm a race car driver and Sim racer (5000ish irating) the single worst thing now, and always has been, about iRacing is the "on/off" tire model.. especially the cold tire model. Beyond that I just mute everyone or race in closed rooms. Good video and valid points on all.

[@robertseightytwo4385]

I've given up all sim racing except RaceRoom because of this nonsense. I can't take iRacing and their crowd anymore. The entire sim racing scene is full of woke bullshit now. On the real track, NEVER experienced this. Ever

[@Jake_Innes]

This is why I only do league races with people who race in real life

[@boothys_sim_racin]

I've been on racing nearly 4 years and I've never seen any hate like you describe. Maybe the forums are a different place, and the league races I run almost everyone got previous motorsport experience ether being go karts or club racing cars etc ...the only one divide between sim racing and real racing is people's opinions of how a load cell brake should be setup 🤣

[@NASCAR_Junk]

The forums are typically more civil than the game itself. A lot of older more laid back people. (Unless that’s changed in the last few months).

[@JKI89115]

Loved the point about the guy from supercars helping Iracing make their rendition better only to have it broken a few seasons later- since that is exactly what is happening with the 87 Legends cars now after all the work Dale Jr. and Bobby Labonte put in them. It's too bad that toxic gamers have to give the hobby a bad rap, I Simrace because I cannot afford to get into real racing but love racing in general and if I had the shot to race even in the slowest series out there IRL I would do it in a heartbeat just for the experience.

[@autoxjunkie]

The elitist/gatekeeper sim racers are forgetting one mantra that still goes strong in the real racing community: If you are involved (driver, crew, marshals, track workers)...YOU ARE A RACER! Even as a "lowly autocrosser" whose event would often share weekends at Sebring with NASA with our course being laid out in an unused portion of the paddock, it was incredible how inclusive the "real racers" were when our day was done and walked over to talk shop with the other group. Nobody cared that you "only drove around cones in a parking lot". Why? We were all racers...

[@orcastrike7750]

Hell yeah dude, a real car is a real car, and racing is racing!

[@MrSilverfish12]

This ignorance is really what stops sim racing from growing to be a real major Esport. Instead of leveraging its connections with real racing they would rather be in competition with it. The reality is, sim racing will never be more popular than real racing just like any other real sport that has a gaming title. Fifa seems to have done a far better job getting its gaming community to rally with reality and they are not trying to compete with the real thing.

[@slaphead90]

The biggest problem with sim racers is that they think they know how to drive.

[@theatagamer90]

Didn't recognize the car series you ran in. Looked it up, turns out there's a similar thing in the US. U-Cars if I am correct. Front wheel drive cars ect?

[@AustinOgonoski]

Mini stocks / sport compacts are at basically every track

[@theatagamer90]

@@AustinOgonoski Yeah. Was thinking of getting once I actually have a job. Track's only an hour up from where I'm at.

[@togaman6438]

Eh the confederate flag is a racist symbol. Doesn’t mean the person reppin it is racist but it also doesn’t make it not a racist symbol. Still not gonna wreck you cause of it though

[@jamesbraun9842]

When my friend was in a racing event. The instructor asked "Who has raced before " (almost everyone raises hands)" In a real car (only one hand raised).

[@tosspot1305]

Whenever something becomes politicised it immediately becomes ruined. Politics has its place and I wish it would just stay there.

[@Derpy-qg9hn]

When is sim racing "political"? When someone asks for pronouns contradicting their voice? When someone puts a trans flag on their car? When someone else punts them for either? What even is a political statement - is a Russian or Ukrainian flag on a car political? There's a reason people say "everything is political" nowadays.

[@devo5572]

I won a NASCAR dirt Daytona Cup championship on my rookie year, I refuse to race anything below Arca series IRL.

[@dmurphy1578]

Oh man. I gave it to some teenager the other day. Showed him an old call of duty lobby.

[@DanielTheFreak]

Is it really a bad thing when real racers stay away from sim racing? Because more often than not they step in, expecting to blast past everyone but get their feelings hurt when they're not and get all childish and pissy?

[@DamagedIncorporated1]

This just pisses me off that sim racers think that they’re better than a professional driver. There are only a handful of those who make the transition from being a sim racer to pro look good. William Byron is one of those. He competes for wins and championships with the best in NASCAR in Hendrick Motorsports. Hell he’s won a championship for Dale Jr in 2017 in the Xfinity series. Then there’s someone like me who does sim racing just for fun and the fact that I can’t be in an actual race car because I know I’ll be like dogs*** compared to everyone else AND I can’t do physical sports because I have 1 kidney. So to those sim racers who think they’re better than the pros, why don’t you drive the real race cars and PROVE US RIGHT OR WRONG!

[@UnderwaterAlexJones]

Byron didn't transfer from iRacing to the Pros. Stop believing that marketing lie. Byron is a rich kid who's daddy paid for all his rides and he got his seats based on a mixture of his IRL results and daddies money, not a thing to do with his fake racing results.

[@NASCAR_Junk]

@@UnderwaterAlexJones Didn’t he get sponsorship from IRacing early on though? Or am I thinking of Ty Majeski. I know Majeski did, not sure about Byron though.

[@UnderwaterAlexJones]

@@NASCAR_Junk he was a paid shill for lieRacing's PR campaign.

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

Whether it is real life racing or whatever, I would listen to the drivers on what they say. I take them seriously because they know what they are doing or saying. Nobody should take racing fans seriously because a lot of them act like they are real experts and stuff. It is annoying. Another based video, Austin

[@Vno27]

Sim racing went from a hobby to feeling like another job, it has lost some of it’s magic for me.

[@barrettgt-r9692]

Honestly the only real carry over I’ve seen from sims to real life track days/racing is learning the racing line and passing techniques. Everything else should be separated and treated differently depending on sim vs real life. I went to Watkins Glenn irl for the first time this year and drove my 2018 STi in a track day/time trial event. During the track day I had other people in my run group asking how I knew the line if it was my first time there, and explained it was all due to iRacing. But one thing I did notice is that the painted curbs have WAY less grip than their virtual counterparts, and there were certain corners that I had to adjust my line accordingly. The bus stop curbs are also way more violent irl, and the conditions of the track itself create way more variation than iRacing simulates. It was 80F and sunny on day one and 70F and cloudy on day two, with some light misty rain here and there. My lap times were about 7 seconds better on day one. While I do see the pros and cons of both, I honestly think they should be treated as two very separate standalone things, with some transferable skills that can be found here and there.

[@nep-nep6575]

That last point is basically “why spend $10,000 on a real race car when you can spend $10,000 on a fake race car?”

[@sirtophattingson8946]

Regarding slower cars being seen as only stepping stones rather than something worthwhile in themselves, it's not just Sim Racing career modes that act like this. The F1 feeder series have this similar "up or out" attitude too. Can definitely see how iRacing's license system will cause people to wrongly think low license requirement = unskilled, bad, not worthwhile. It's a shame, since often the slower, supposedly "easier" cars produce much more enjoyable racing. Some of the best on-track racing in open lobbies I've ever gotten has come from race-long battles in MX-5s on roval tracks, even if iRacing isn't my main choice of sim. ACC has very few people driving the slower cars even if they can produce better racing, too.

[@Derpy-qg9hn]

It's funny isn't it? Slow, cheap, "trash" cars are easy to drive, meaning you can focus more attention on the track and other cars - yet because they're not the cool, hot thing that real celebrities drive, most players gravitate to faster, trickier classes.

[@roymcdre9180]

I remember doing GT Academy and telling people and its like yah ok good luck, and same with iracing but telling them youre going to a real race and suddenly youre a local small time hero. Giving up sims and chasing internet fame for real shit is the best decision i have ever made

[@CausticRKS]

I'm not really surprised. I'm a metal musician that also has a nerdy side, and at one point I became a laptop repair tech for Panasonic. Most of the people on the repair floor, basically all of them, were a bunch of the same entitled dweebs you'd find in Sim Racing. They all had their cliques and spoke to one another like they were indeed all in a chess club. My social experience and humor were way too different from theirs, so I didn't fit in at all.

[@travisryan9939]

The first guy is works for indycar radio btw and basically if you don’t agree 100% political with him. He’ll act like the tool he is too you. You should take a look at dumb political arguments he gets into on Twitter. I’m surprised that Indycar still employs a guy that acts like that online.

[@josh1234567892]

Honestly, I just like doing laps casually and getting my lap times down and hope to take my car to a race track for fun one day once I have enough money for it. I don't really deal with the online community and frankly, I'm kind of glad I don't if most people really are like this lol.

[@orcastrike7750]

It’s really mostly the iRacing community, you don’t see this type of thing anywhere near as much from people who choose other sims

[@derekkozacko1382]

@@orcastrike7750 What do you suggest then as a way for casual, let's call us "amateur" sim racers, to have fun online and race others of similar skill levels? I've been learning Assetto Corsa and, similarly to @Hoswoo, I'm mostly doing laps and practicing against myself. It's a lot of fun, but there isn't much in the way of publicized "fun" or "beginner" racing. I don't want to be pro-level, I want to have fun, but also not become a rolling. Iracing, at least, does seem to have some type of skill matching system.

[@NASCAR_Junk]

I ran a parody paint scheme making fun of Joe Biden and his strange quotes over a year ago and it was actually well received😂 I think it did get my account banned from posting on trading paints though.

[@sonsofblackwoodmc4570]

Been confused by the sim racing community, since I started 12 years ago. I sim race but I hate som racers in general. You've nailed it pretty much with this vid. So sad to the current state of sim racing. It could be a wonderful compliment to real racing, or even a great substitute. But like you say, now it's all about how many 1000s they spend on rigs. And the thing that really blows my mind is how much they spend on a wheel to feel heavy in a car that should be light, and brakes that are so stupidly strong, they bare little resemblance to real life, yet these simtubers will talk about it as if they have a clue. Blows my mind. I think for me sim racing will just be a training tool till I can save up some more pennies and get back into a fiesta Cup 👍

[@SIMCOMotorsportsTV]

For me if I wanted to spend my down time after watching a football game or decompress after working 9-5, I would go turn some laps on NR2003 or RFactor2 in offline practice. If I wanted to get real life experience and track time in racing...put 5k-10k down and go to the track with a couple of karts or a street stock. Real life racing is here to stay no matter and will ALWAYS be better than Sim Racing hands down! Never seizes to amaze me on the schzio, liberal-minded, BS that is going on with iRacing and any other sim-racing platform...

[@wendigockel]

You confuse liberal with butthurt.

[@SIMCOMotorsportsTV]

@@wendigockel Nah, the people that are butthurt are the adults that are 10-12 year old types that just pound sand The schzio-liberal types are the trolls and lame ducks of iracing that don't have a life, and instead sit on the forums all day not accepting criticism from people who are stating facts on how something like iRacing is running a scam. It's the same thing that is happening in politics with U.S. democrats, but we won't go there. Before you ask, Austin is not any of these (he's been on iRacing just like I have and we both have come to the same facts)

[@racegrubb2152]

Man those spec mazdas look so dam fun

[@Mindphaser98]

I have much more respect for someone who races a stripped out Cavalier IRL than some geek that drives pretend race cars all day.

[@johnpublic7796]

Amen

[@iAtulu]

I have much more respect for F1 drivers than peple racing in backyard snickers 500 with $1000 shitwheels.

[@johnpublic7796]

@@iAtulu Those backyard shitwheels guys are something you'll never be, real racecar drivers. Most of them would race circles around you. Unlike most F1 drivers, they weren't born into money. They don't have rich daddies that got them top equipment or sponsors.

[@iAtulu]

@@johnpublic7796 im sure they can drive circles, but how about a real track. My comment was tongue in cheek about how nobody really cares about his shitbox racing, but since you took it seriously I have hotfäpped faster than a formula 3 champ :)

[@orcastrike7750]

People who race econoboxes are based as all hell. I’ve seen Honda Fits keep up with cars with twice the horsepower on my local twisty backroad, they’re like street legal go karts. Never be afraid to just race what you have. Even if you can’t keep up with others, just try to improve against yourself!

[@jasonpelter4698]

its a shame simracing is seen like this as its easy to find a good group of people that dont stand up to this standard of people that youre describing if you take a little time and join different leagues, teams, etc.

[@rohanabraham4169]

I feel like this is not a big of an issue as the dude says. I have never seen nor heard of these issues. Cherry pick a few examples but it’s still not the norm. If he’s worried he’ll get shit talked by nerds in iracing should just let their players be anonymous.

[@rsslate16]

I will say most of my friends from the late model short track world are very active in the iRacing community.

[@brokenbaron2434]

Imo, the Internet gives everyone the chance to speak about topics they don't know anything about. This happens everywhere online, and has nothing to do with being a simracer, It's a matter of lack of knowledge, and self importance issues. 1:15 And in this case a matter of un-sportsmanship.

[@Smoked_Cheddar]

I find it amazing they bashed the guy who used sim racing to get into real racing. In the last year I've found more fun from the mx-5 than an indycar or a gte car. Less pressure. Caterham too. I don't have the money to do it for real. But mad respect for those that do. Lots of it comes down to opportunity. Need less jealousy and envy. Just more fun. I find with the first point that if you don't give it air. It would be less of an issue. No, you shouldn't wreck anyone on purpose. Paint scheme or otherwise. But just because something doesn't affect you. It can affect others.

[@ablaze666]

6:47 Leynard is something else. Imagine you have to live/work with such a wisenheimer...

[@dennisbowen452]

My dad owns a replica 1978 indy 500 corvette pacecar, a street legal Tim Richmond stock car, with all the bells and whistles of a 1980s nascar racecar, and even he prefers the arcade nature of nascar thunder 2004 and the recent heat games. What I'm saying is, toxic fans of Sims such as iracing fail to appreciate simplicity and disregard titles such as the heat games and forgive the shitshow of their game and community

[@ChrisR673]

Can confirm, met a fast Aussie on ACC, learned he was on LFM - got punted by someone & called them something and ended-up getting banned for one word, even though he presented evidence the rammer had every intention of doing it.

[@TheJacobAnwyl]

As an Australian, we use colourful language, I and many others have discussed the C-word over beers and its comes down to context. Yet, I drop a couple of "fkn this" "this dkhead" "ya See You NT" in good spirit and get hassled. Also, why the fk do I wanna help some random bloke chase after 5th and 6th when I could just race the dude in front of me . i'm obviously off the pace, I'm not racing for first anymore but I do not want to do a train for 50 laps to finish exactly where I started. iRacing people are fkn spuds some times

[@NASCAR_Junk]

@@TheJacobAnwyl I’ve learned some great insults from Australians

[@MustangChuck]

I'm just now starting to take sim racing semi-seriously (I like to play other games and have an IRL career to worry about) until I can get into IRL dirt track racing in what is known as the Hornet class here locally. It's probably very similar to your compact class, Austin. One of the things that frustrates me about some of the online ranked racing in Gran Turismo 7 is people who treat it like bumper cars and cheese the penalty system. I'm by no means against a little contact here and there because after all, "rubbin's' racin'", but there's a line and I feel like a lot of people in sim racing, at least at the lower levels, somehow think it's acceptable to wreck people. Then there are obvious trolls who really know the system and embrace their toxic driving like Kimi Velocini on Gran Turismo 7.

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

GT7 used to have extremely strict contact penalties but the driving standards of its average gamer is dogwater so they complained endlessly about being penalized for minor contact, and then PD made it extremely lenient so crybabies can shut the fuck up. Love the game, absolutely despise its playerbase.

[@jc1424]

Local short track racing existed long before the internet, and the cultural standards of online media getting mixed in with aspiring race fans leads to an environment nothing like the actual thing. With Darian's Bust series, nearly all those 90's/2000's drivers exceed the talent and accomplishments of mere simracers. Not to say we can't make valid comparisons... like Michael Cosey Jr. is better than Natalie Decker or Matt Tifft. But the point is you typically can't compare anything done on iRacing and games to real drivers spending years helping repair and setup cars just to finish near the front.