Nasty Wrist Locks and How to Use Them Effectively - Jiu-Jitsu Submissions

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Wrist locks are inherently nasty, and often seem pretty rude. This doesn't detract from their effectiveness though, for a variety of purposes. In this video, Ed Stahl ‪@metrolinamartialarts‬ and I talk about some wrist lock specifics for technical application and principles. I hope this video helps to shed some light on often overlooked aspects of applying, and just threatening, wrist locks.
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[@metrolinamartialarts]

I laid out my only path to victory 😅 thanks for letting me show some tomfoolery with my cheeky wristlocks

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

It's a bold strategy, Cotton!

[@wyldfantasies]

Lol this is what I do too, trying to perfect the wristlock art 🎨

[@davidtice4972]

I'm currently working on wrist locks from everywhere so I appreciate this.

[@jonathanmay2011]

I’ve always been fascinated with wrist locks but was always hesitant to try them out myself. This sure helps a lot, thanks again Eli. 👍🏻🙂

[@Adelhaid100]

Jonatan, I feel hesitant sometimes and can make bad for uke - thanks to Edison for explanation. Tho how is your matching this week? 👊

[@edburdo]

Great timing and tips. Making people "respect" a wristlock... means I can either force them to move, or force them to give up whatever attack they are working on... I love them!

[@davidtice4972]

Pat King is a Royce Gracie BJJ black belt who is also a Hapkido black belt. He's been training with Royce since before the year 2000. He got me in a wrist lock from the bottom of the guard in 2001 in Pasadena, California.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Pat King is a legend for sure.

[@davidtice4972]

@@KnightJiuJitsu So you've heard of Pat King then? Pat King also fought in MMA. He beat Joe Camacho a BJJ black belt and a guy named Maverick.

[@benpedersen360]

Great content, I really liked the ones defending the back and side control. Thanks!

[@dees.daniel7]

I spent thirty years in Japanese Jujutsu and Hapkido, so wrist locks are something I have an abundance of. In regards to ne waza, applying them is far easier on the ground due to the isolation of the body, if proper position is acquired. Wrist locks is an area that is very undeveloped in BJJ, there are a tremendous amount of unique locks available.

[@เด็กพเนจร-ฝ4ษ]

How much is Japanese jujutsu and hapkido pressure tested? I like wristlocks and they look cool standing but a lot of that stuff seems iffy

[@dees.daniel7]

@@เด็กพเนจร-ฝ4ษ Well, the techniques themselves work. It is truly the question of whether or not they work on a resisting partner. Further to this, we have to differentiate between if they work in a free fight environment, where both parties know they are fighting, or in a self defense situation, where an attack or escalation of violence can be entirely different. In many schools, there is no pressure testing. I trained with Shoto Tanemura, Fumio Manaka, Ryusuke Juge, Ho Jin Song, etc. In their respective schools and ideology, pressure testing exists. How is it done? Almost all of it is scenario based, so no free sparring in a traditional sense. An example I do with my students is where I ask a student to protect another student. The opponent has to touch the student ten times, and the other student has to work to prevent any physical contact between the two. In these scenarios, wrist locks can work well, as the attacker is not focused on attacking you, but rather someone else, and does not focus on how you set up your body or its angles, etc. Scenario based sparring, in other words, is how I often see this pressure tested. Unfortunately, many schools do not, but I always try to train with people who do. Recently we have been doing randori / sparring with a SAYA (sheath of the sword). One student will have it, and they have to do a grappling round with another student. The student with the saya has to submit the other student only using the saya, and it can only be a choke. It becomes the equivalent of stick grappling.

[@เด็กพเนจร-ฝ4ษ]

@@dees.daniel7 thanks for the reply

[@RippedPantsss]

Always making amazing content! Thank you for your pursuit and passion!

[@Jacky-Boy]

just got my blue -needed this

[@abhisheksajwan8877]

Respect for you from India

[@hedgehogbjj]

My new favorite video!

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Awesome!

[@vyndaio]

Wow professor, there's a ton to unpack in this video. Not only did you showcase several wrist locks, but proper hand staggering from inside closed guard, the octopus entry (I've never heard of that one before, please elaborate in another video sometime), and that nifty straight armbar from S-mount. That wrist break at the end is vicious. Thanks a ton. Also, sick rashguard today!

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

I appreciate you watching it and noticing that. I try to put a lot into these.

[@paulzenchuk7807]

nice dude!!

[@shindrithargriethrat8408]

I LOVE WRISTLOCKS.

[@wasnt.here.3853]

I'd like to hear more about why you don't believe in standing submissions. Is that emphatic or in a self-defence context; even something like waki gatame?

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

It’s worth a whole video to explain it and I might make that. But basically, standing pain compliance is virtually impossible. Standing locks need to be done for explosive damage and combined with other measures, in my opinion.

[@hardcaliber19]

@@KnightJiuJitsu This, all day. As a Japanese Jujitsu black belt, I'd say easily 90% of standing joint locks do not work as "submissions." They will rarely, if ever be applied with sufficient control to secure a tap from a partner in a friendly sparring match. They are destructions. Designed to be applied quickly and explosively to cause serious damage to the joint. Even waki gatame is exceedingly difficult to apply and maintain in such a manner that the opponent is forced to tap. You either break it, or you don't. Just my 2 cents.

[@HMAWorldwide1]

The game of jiujitsu, and all that is possible through that game, has permeated through so many instructors and students over the last 25 years to the point that the entire idea behind why it was invented or devised in the first place--which is self-defense--has been completely and totally unmoored from the art of jiujitsu. This inherently causes new thought processes, training methods, as well as teaching methods, which may be significantly less practical in terms of self-defense to develop. There are now many branches of jiujitsu that exist which never have before, thereby making it even more difficult than before for people to realize that they are NOT doing self-defense just because they are rolling around on the ground getting submissions. The jiujitsu community has gone so far off the beaten path to the point that it is very hard to see where butt scooting fits in to an unexpected violent encounter.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

I haven't met a single person who actually believes that pulling guard and butt scooting are valid prospects in self defense. Most intelligent people have the ability to delineate between self defense and sport, and see the usefulness and practicality to both. And without training sportively / competitively, the ability of a person to apply anything in self defense is much lower. Combat sports are the most effective path to pressure testing technical approaches to self defense. When people figure this out, it kind of dismantles the whole sport vs self defense argument, in my opinion.

[@HMAWorldwide1]

@@KnightJiuJitsu Interesting. Where or who is your frame of reference based upon?

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

I’ve been in the self defense and combat sport communities for the last 3 decades, and I’ve trained with some of the best instructors and coaches in the world. I have definitely encountered people who train for very restrictive rule sets who have little regard for self defense, but they typically realize they are training for that modality. People serious about self defense tend to understand and gravitate toward combat sports because it is the most readily available mode for pressure testing technical aspects of fighting. Those people tend to concern themselves with training in firearms and other defensive weapons, boxing and/or kickboxing, wrestling and jiu-jitsu as well as scenario based training. And plenty of them are butt scooters in the right kinds of training conditions, but none of them would pull guard and butt scoot in a street fight. It tends to be a fallacious argument that people make about modern jiu-jitsu when they have limited or no training experience.

[@HMAWorldwide1]

@@KnightJiuJitsu I can only speak of my experience in 30+ years of experience in martial arts and self defense, and having started jiujitsu before the UFC came along, as well as self defense and force on force schools across the country. Traveled for 4 years over 40 states and visited over 400 schools in that time. One of the things I have seen across my experience in all of those schools is that most to all jiujitsu schools are not doing self defense (even though they are advertising it), they are doing sport jiujitsu, which we can all agree are to very different mindsets with very different conditions. I too have trained with the best in the world from the gracies to the machados and much more, as well as FOF development and weapons based systems. Our experience is subjective at best, I can only tell you objectively what I have seen and witnessed across the country in that 4 year time span. Very few jiujitsu schools concerned themselves with self defense at all, simply because the sport side keeps people in the door. In my opinion, people gravitate towards combat sports because it is the popular thing to do since it is the most readily available thing to do. You can search youtube right now and find plenty of cases across the board where someone was attempting aspects of sport jiujitsu and it didn't work out so well for them--they resorted to what they were taught and learned. Of course no one would attempt to butt scoot in real life, I would certainly hope they wouldn't anyway, but as human beings we will resort either to what we trained to do or revert back to our natural instincts when those things fail. I went to a force on force school where there was a jiujitsu champion who tried many different things that he would normally be allowed or permitted to do or get away with in a sport environment, and he failed miserably in almost every scenario he went through. Most of the jiujitsu schools I visited in over 40 states would also not want to grapple or roll with weapons either. Sometimes the instructor wouldn't allow it or the students were not comfortable with the idea. I love this video that you did on wrist locks by the way, because many schools i visited wouldn't allow small joint manipulation due to some sport jiujitsu organizations not allowing it. Very effective for self defense.

[@AlonzoCalPolyPomona]

Thank you for correcting him in the beginning. Who earns a brown belt and says their BJJ is trash. Coach must be worthless. This is why people don't respect the belt level. Everyone is a joker

[@MUSAVISUALMEDIA]

Sick!

[@Jknudsen0523]

That’s what she said. 😂

[@alex_cjjf7287]

Guys … I just wanted to recap some wristlocks because we had graduation and a lot of new bluebells I’m going to annoy today 😂 so thanks from me, and a maybe „please delete this video“ from the new bluebelts! OSS

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Hahaha, sounds like a plan 🤣

[@ZombieSahara_official]

05:51

[@meihe9108]

yes its too much work, leave the blah blah to the end

[@meihe9108]

1.55 still no demo. YAWN.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

You can fast forward....or just not watch.

[@meihe9108]

@@KnightJiuJitsu - Dont be rude or i'll choke you out.

[@spartanlukas]

Japanese Jujutsu what BJJ stems from with its origins has plenty of finger and wrist locks and submissions. BJJ coaches are rediscovering things that have been around for hundreds of years if not over a thousand years that originated in feudal Japan from Samurai clans that came up with various locks and submissions based on their knowledge of anatomy and physiology from their dissection and exploration of human remains on the battlefields. Doing some of these wrist locks from guard maybe the only thing that's new here. Pulling guard I think is a BJJ thing that most judo players never did until they started seeing how BJJ tactics, techniques and procedures are used in matches. Aikijujutsu and Jujutsu from Japan have a shit ton of wrist locks and submissions that work for police that employ them everyday on the street and most of these techniques were hated on by BJJ know it all practioners until now apparently. Bravo for rediscovering stuff that Samurai have know and used for several centuries.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

The old school Japanese style wrist locks never went away. I learned wrist locks in Japanese Ju-Jutsu before I even began training Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, which simply had better contextual application for the same wrist locks. The only thing that the Brazilian paradigm really did to change the art is the pedagogy and emphasis on the ground positional hierarchy. That enhanced the effectiveness, in my opinion, because it became more pressure-testable. Japanese Ju-Jutsu lost a lot of effectiveness in the past due to a lack of emphasis on resistant training and being taught to larger groups. Jiu-Jitsu is currently in its highest evolved form and most effective iteration in history, in my opinion.

[@spartanlukas]

@@KnightJiuJitsu I began judo and aikido at the same judo club in 1989. My coaches were students of the all Japan Judo Champ and Coach/Sensei Ishikawa. The aikido rep from Japan was Yamada. So the entities they represented were the US Judo Federation and later Association and the US Aikido Federation. From 1989 until 2000 I trained, taught and competed in Judo while in college. So getting back to my earlier points...here in Virginia at the BJJ school I trained at for about a year I heard nothing but hate from BJJ practioners regarding judo and especially aikido and even Japanese Jujutsu which is what Judo and Aikido come from as well as BJJ having its roots from Japan with Maeda teaching his arts of judo and Jujutsu to the Gracies. Today, I'm one of your biggest fans but, my observation isn't really about you as much as it is about the overall hate culture many BJJ practioners suffer from. In my opinion, all arts have something to offer and we learn those aspects that work and move on. Japanese Jujutsu is 100% being reexplored now by many BJJ guys because they realize they need stand-up, they want to expand the art and so now many BJJ guys like yourself understand in a street fight lying on your back and pulling guard will not work against a second or third attacker. Judo throws and Jujutsu stand up techniques are now being relearned and employed and BJJ is expanding its capabilities but, we both agree, this stuff has been around for centuries and the Gracies did expand the art of judo on the ground to become BJJ, now BJJ is employing tactics that were abandoned or forgotten from centuries ago.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

I hate that you encountered that kind of negativity at the place you trained BJJ. I definitely understand there is a lot of prejudice out there and a lot of blind patriotism by people who believe the way they train is the best or only way, when it is not the case. And I agree that most all arts have value that people can pull from and integrate into their training. There are, fortunately, plenty of places that do still and have concentrated on the standing aspect and other important self defense considerations, and I hope that more places continue to do that. My personal feeling is that a lot of the tribalism and pretentiousness in the martial arts community needs to go away and people just need to focus on bettering themselves and the style(s) in which they train. I appreciate the comments, by the way.

[@spartanlukas]

@@KnightJiuJitsu I agree with you, your thoughts and your approach to BJJ and martial arts overall and that's why I follow you. You are one of the very best Coaches in BJJ and I've been a martial arts practioner since 1981. You're doing great things, keep up your awesome work!

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

Thanks man. That really means a lot to hear that.