Nathan Chen Bests Yuzuru Hanyu & Russian Women Sweep Grand Prix Final | THAT FIGURE SKATING SHOW

[@markballard9942]

I completely agree with Dylan on this. After his long program, Nathan looks as if it's no big deal and he swaggers off the ice. Yuzu and Vincent Zhou and Shoma Uno all have a rag doll as if they've been rode hard and put away wet. Nathan has incredible stamina.

[@CBCSports]

Good points! Thanks for sharing!

[@colleenshaughnessy7081]

Being raised at high altitude might be part of that - natural lung capacity!!!

[@constanceng6496]

i'm laughing at all the salty comments about yuzuru and nathan. everyone is entitled to their opinions, RELAX.

[@brilliantjewel]

We stan the skaters, not the judging, and that’s the real tea

[@noran7809]

"Nathan's (arguably) the best FS ever done in the history of the men's event" ... "His skating skills have improved dramatically" ...and I see the "drama" among Yuzu fans ...

[@dylan.moscovitch]

First off: I LOVE seeing such passionate commentary about figure skating from fans. It is important and healthy for people to have differing opinions. This is a key factor in what makes skating skating. It’s subjective and that is one of the things that makes it so special and unique. I am not biased towards Nathan or against Yuzu. I say it as I see it. I have been out there and lived that life and have the utmost respect for everyone who makes it to this level and puts themselves out there. These are some of my opinions based on my understanding of skating after competing for 28 years. I used to train with Yuzu and have nothing but respect for him. He is a legend and in no way slowing down. In the heat of competition, moments are created and they leave you with a feeling. Nathan’s skate was something very special. Not just for his technical content but for his confidence, quality and sureness of execution. This in no way takes away from what an amazing skate Yuzu had. But based on those two performances, Nathan’s skate was stronger. Yes it was a wide margin. And yes Yuzu had mistakes. I in no way think that it’ll be a blowout if both skate perfectly. We are looking at a continued evolution in the sport and that is going to cause controversy. You can agree, or disagree, with our opinions. We are two people who lived our lives in the sport and are trying to share some insights while entertaining audiences. Thank you so much for watching and commenting. Your opinions matter to us and we look forward to enjoying more skating with you as the season continues.

[@meridesiree7940]

I agree that commentary of the sport is important and healthy! Even though i disagree with some of your assessments i had great fun discussing things here in the comments! I hope everyone that engaged were respectful and kind (:

[@felicies2314]

You don't need to justify anything! I agree Nathan's performances were really great. it's just that you two maybe didn't have any background on the drama with Yuzuru (lol) which is understandable. The Ghislain's stolen passport in Frankfurt saga, Yuzuru's sudden 5 quads decision even if he only had one successful run through before to banish his 4Lz fear, 4A practice out of frustration and because no coach was there to say no. Here's some interviews where Yuzuru explains his reasoning: twitter.com/iceprinceyuzuru/status/1203675098827427840 twitter.com/iceprinceyuzuru/status/1203328337172717569 twitter.com/olympicchannel/status/1203021391064371200

[@janepopovici4661]

Dylan Moscovitch Can’t agree with you more and thanks for sharing your candid insight out of your own professional experience. While creating the hype of rivalry between Yuzuru and Nathan benefits the figure skating industry and a lot of stakeholders, I disagree with the note some have put out with - that both are equally great. The fact is, they are not equal for the time we are in. Nathan is way better, a class of his own and no one is even getting close. A point difference of 1 to 5 might suggest equal rivalry. But we are talking about almost 44 points. And even back in March World Championship, It was already a whopping 23 points. So my point is, with all my respect to Yuzuru who was the greatest for his time, in today’s men’s single skating world, there is no real equal rivalry existing. Nathan dominates so much in every way that in reality it is Nathan and everyone else. Nathan doesn’t need to be recognized as anyone’s rivalry to stand out in lime light. His performance speaks for itself (and what a performance considering he didn’t even seem to sweat over it, and he did it part time amid his full time Yale study)! In addition, His humbleness and kindness despite the huge achievement shines even brighter as a great human being and role model!

[@thulekovish8188]

@@janepopovici4661 Thanks, Jane. I totally agree with you.

[@Nana-os2mp]

I don´t think anyone disagrees with Nathan winning. We are just saying that his scores were massively inflated. Nathan is a great skater and amazing at jumping. However, I can´t see him ever being even close to the level of adoration that Yuzu has. It´s simply because Yuzu has that je ne sais qua, the it factor that just makes you completely mesmerized when he skates. He is from another planet. Nathan is just a really good skater. I agree with what Tatiana Tarasova said during the broadcast: Nathan is amazing but Yuzuru is a gift from God himself. I could not agree more. Plushenko was similar, there have been a lot of really good skaters in Russia but there is only one Evgeni Plushenko. He is loved because he can make people feel when he skates, even those who don´t usually watch the sport.

[@divinearia1601]

Totally agree on the observation of Yuzuru looking floppy when he gets tired. The floppiness of his arms are especially apparent...and more lately, it seems he has been struggling with his stamina through his long programs.

[@Kthindia1811]

I love watching so many new young talents performing amazing programs and tough jumps challenging eachother. But I personally would like to watch Yuzuru Hanyu's "sloppy"/"noodle body" performances. Because being a non figure skating fan few months back, I used to just randomly watch these famous figure skaters routine and used to close the tab after 1-2 minutes because they were not able to hold my curiosity. Only this guy , Yuzuru Hanyu made me watch his programs back to 2009-2008... I can't believe how amazing his every performance was and still is, even if he had done it 20-50 times 😍 Such a legend, still creating some amazing moment after so many years. Love to Yuzuru Hanyu from this new fan from India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 Go YuZu !!!!

[@assortedasmr430]

I agree.. i watched yuzuru so many times ..new fan here ..watched everthing related to yuzu even the commercials he made and all the interviews .i love his angelic face also..

[@CandyCamera13]

So glad to hear you're coming back! Loving the series so far :)

[@CBCSports]

Thank you Tay!

[@maggieli7036]

Nathan is absolutely amazing!!!💖👍Brilliant, Gorgeous, Super Cool..love everything about him!!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@rop888]

Your braver than anyone to say that about Hanyu's floppiness even if it's true. And Hanyu fans repeating that he has soo many difficult transitions in his FS. Where? I'd really like you to tell me where they are since I didn't see them.

[@bemused2774]

Omg, thank you for mentioning this. His programs this season are very underwhelming, 'technically' speaking.

[@pennyinheaven]

There were only 2 moments where he had long prep for the jumps, at least from what I count. The rest is his normal program difficulty. And seriously, it's not being brave, they are just stating facts. Yuzu was tired and lacked stamina. Facts.

[@RM-uc4mf]

@@pennyinheaven they are brave in stating facts. Most fanyus are crazy. Not all of course but crazy fanyus gather like flies in just the simple statement of facts not favorable to yuzu.

[@kathhqq7]

Fatyus are perpetually in denial. When you reach a stage like that might as well just off yourself, seriously.

[@chrive8934]

Yuzuru had been dismissed as done before. He's always managed to get better.

[@chrive8934]

@mish098aimer Agree, except for the last one. He was only allowed one coach to the GPF ( a new rule apparently. 🤔). As for Yuzuru's "rival", it's just a matter of time before a Russian jumper comes to fill that "ISU pet" position.

[@meridesiree7940]

@mish098aimer Ghislain is as much Yuzu's coach as Orser and Wilson, and they're all listed as such in his bio. He asked Ghislain to come with him because Orser had been incredibly busy the week before and he gets along well with him, but then Gislain's passport was stolen so he was delayed.

[@Suulo3]

@mish098aimer lol poor Hanyu his fans will always come up with the most ridiculous excuse.. lol

[@Suulo3]

@@chrive8934 Oooooh what a SORE LOSER LOL....

[@Suulo3]

eeeeeeeeem not this time & neither at Worlds.. I mean It has been a long time, to be more clear, since the Olympics, yeah that's right since the Olympics, uuh that's a long time.

[@norinecook844]

Asher and Dylan love your irreverent commentary! Glad you’re taking us through the rest of the season. ⛸

[@bemused2774]

YESSSS. So glad you guys are coming back! :D

[@bettybleu12]

I love you Guys! So hilarious. My only negative comment is that it’s too short! Make it longer!!!

[@juniormmmm]

Hellllllsssssss yeah, glad you're going to be back next year!

[@dewaynewestmoreland3773]

I enjoy the 2 of you. Informative. Funny. Kind. Keep up the good work.

[@tigerx2238]

“Yuzuru Hanyu is the greatest skater (or the best skaters) in history”. This is actually said by more than a few top foreign figure skating commentators in the world in the past. This year, “Euro Sports" figure skating competitions seem to have been blocked, so, we can no longer watch, read, and/or hear their comments over an internet. However, up to the last year, most major figure skating competitions' comments by leading European commentators were translated, at least, into Japanese, and some of those commentators did say “Hanyu is the greatest skater in history.” If it was expressed as “one of the greatest figure skaters in history”, then it was said by even more commentators. It is notorious that American judges often give questionable high scores to American skaters. In some cases, these undeserved scores were so high, many people, including some foreign commentators, couldn’t figure out why. In my opinion, America’s Skating Union wants to create American super stars to obtain more figure fans and audiences. Of course, American super stars must hold the world records, so American judges give “very high” scores to their skaters. ISU appears to pretend as if they knew nothing, maybe because a certain American TV station is a big money source to ISU. Don’t American judges realize that what they do is actually an insult to American figure skaters? I think that American skaters work so hard to win fairly based on their own performances, and not by obvious unfair favoritism.

[@b__lynz6427]

Did you guys not watch the press conference after the free skate? Yuzu said that he was exhausted because he put in a 5th quad in his free which he didn't even practice for.

[@benbailey159bb]

No Nathan did 5 quads and 5 triples. Hanyu did 5 quads and two triples - one of which was under-rotated

[@b__lynz6427]

@@benbailey159bb oh yes. He did 5. I corrected my comment.

[@rkurniati11]

just found you guys, love every second of it :)

[@CBCSports]

Thanks Ria! Hope you join us again for Canadian Nationals, Europeans & Four Continents.

[@Eva-bd2rm]

Loved your commentary for the Grand Prix. I agree, Nathan's free skate was incredible - one of the best I've ever seen. But just a note, Yuzuru is asthmatic, which is probably why this kind of exertion is so much more draining for him than Nathan and other skaters.

[@tokyopt]

Eva Yuzuru has never used his asthma as an excuse and he’s been skating for 21 years. He was tired, because he did two extremelly difficult jumps he had never done together in a program, then had to still skate 3 minutes of the most difficult men program this season. His asthma has nothing to do with it.

[@jjh2456]

I am so tired of Yuzuru fans using excuses for him getting beat. Yuzu lost because he was outskated. Plain and simple

[@veronicadominguez972]

Se ven tan rìdiculos tratando de justificar una diferencia de puntos tan grande por un par de saltos màs. Saltar sin contar nada con su performance no deberìa ser considerado siquiera como patinaje artìstico.

[@Eva-bd2rm]

@@jjh2456 Ah, I didn't mean this to be an excuse as to why he got beat (of course he got beat after that short), but just as a commentary since they mentioned how Nathan looks fresh after his programs and Yuzuru doesn't. It seems likely that this is a contributing factor to that.

[@melody3239]

I think another factor is how much content there is in Yuzuru's free skate vs Nathan's. There's a lot more choreography, difficult transitions, etc throughout the entire program, versus Nathan's free skate which is relatively empty and has longer set ups for jumps. It would also explain Nathan's consistency with landing his jumps (which is impressive!). But it does make it easier for Nathan because of his programs.

[@lauragarciajuarez3446]

This could be called bullying in other places. I'm not surprised by Canadians and Americans. Thanks Yuzu for your talent, your strength and keep growing

[@kak7440]

Agreed with everything you guys said!!! Especially about the pairs my favourite. Underwhelming except for the winners to be honestl. Really looking foward to seeing James and Cipres again

[@CBCSports]

Vanessa & Morgan should be great!

[@Ian.D.]

You guys need to do Japanese, Russian and American Nationals as well! Talk about bloodbath!

[@glenncoco8715]

Love watching your commentary after an event, you guys are awesome!

[@zhonglaoshi1]

Thank you for saying the fare comment. A lot of people were mad about Nathan's winning.

[@RM-uc4mf]

@mish098aimer yeah, they are, esp in twitter saying nathan robbed yuzu and saying all nasty thing about nathan, those people are the worse, toxic, envious, malicious, brats, gossipmongers. The more they hate, the universe keeps on blessing Nathan, good family, good friends, good mentors, good education, care free life and becoming a legend in chillness!

[@RM-uc4mf]

@mish098aimer the judges are humans, the isu have a system to curtail unwarranted judging but they are humans with their own perceptions in real time thus they only average the median scores and not the total scores, in my opinion what i would want is for the technical panel to do their job so the technical and objective aspect of the sport stands above everything else cause that's the only part you can defend with evidence.

[@melody3239]

@mish098aimer Agreed. Those aspects of the PCS are objective for sure, and it sucks that Nathan is getting is getting scores in those components that are comparable to or even exceed the scores Patrick Chan and Yuzuru Hanyu got. I get the argument for some aspects of the PCS being somewhat subjective, but not skating skills and transitions, which Nathan shouldn't be getting high 9's for.

[@thesupremediva]

Piper and Paul got hosed. I would have had them third - WELL above H/D and the Russians.

[@tokyopt]

This idea that if something was awesome it’s automatically “the best [...] ever” is very dismissive and normative. The best ever is supposed to be something rare, unique and impactful: it doesn’t necessarily equate with record scores or gold medals.

[@bemused2774]

The idea you're trying to describe, subjectivity, completley negates your qualifiers (uniqueness and impact). It's okay if you preferred another skater, and it's okay if someone else prefers another.

[@tokyopt]

@Tommy80 When we say the best ever, we are surpassing scoring systems and records and time. It's not something you can measure, as all those things change and evolve. "Best ever"s are a subjective measure for outside of the sport, a colloquialism. And it's becoming so well used as to lose meaning. And this applies to Nathan as well as any skater. This is the current highest score. Was it the best skating ever? Was it even the best that Nathan as ever skated? Ever? By your reasoning, yes, by mine, not necessarily. And here lies my complaint. I guess we must agree to disagree.

[@tokyopt]

@@bemused2774 Is it really so bad to say "that was a great/amazing/awesome/terrific/best of the day skate" instead of "the best ever"? Does that really make it all about liking one skater instead of another?

[@arlenecolby8833]

I just started to watch your program on KZbin, but no longer. Nathan is a great quad jumper but his skating skills surpassing Yuzuru’s? Best FS? Never mind, no need to continue watching That Figure Skating Show. This and That is more informative.

[@tasnimsharon551]

They're just that knowledgeable!

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

Translation: "This and That" agrees with me.

[@janetjohn3539]

Glad you'll be continuing!

[@oceanle]

Wait.....you two should be commentating these events.please. please.

[@devi_-]

So Nathan Chen's PCS was higher than *Patrick Chan's highest PCS* - and that's just 'subjective'? EDIT: my mistake, I thought his score at GPF was 97 but it's actually 95, which is still way too high imo when you look at the other men who have achieved similar scores. But Chiddy's highest is a 97, so I was wrong. Apologies!

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

Yeah but we can't really compare with past PCS - they've all been elevated. Patrick Chan isn't even in the top 10 period while Alexander Samarin is.

[@devi_-]

@@Rachel-rs7jn Patrick Chan's highest is over 97 and Samarin's PCS in his highest scoring free skate is less than 90. Components are judged out of 10 so there should be no year on year inflation the way there is with the technical score. However I think it's fair to say that PCS is perceived to be an indication of politics as much anything else. You only need to look at the women's field for evidence to support for that view.

[@devi_-]

@mish098aimer just taking a brief moment to reflect on Chiddy's skating skills.... *sigh*

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

​@mish098aimer That's actually exactly my point. The original commenter was trying to argue that Nathan Chen's PCS is too high because it's higher than Patrick Chan's best. But, we can't use old PCS as a basis for comparison since Patrick Chan doesn't even make the top 10 list while Samarin does - that shows just how much the PCS have been elevated over the past few years. So now all we can do is compare to each other on the day and not really think about the actual number. Yes I wish it weren't that way. But unfortunately I don't see it changing any time soon. I agree that Nathan Chen's actual number was too high at GPF, but then in that case (IMO) so was Yuzu's because he did not have his usual magic. But then everyone's would have to be lower and they won't start suddenly doing that. :/

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

@@devi_- Interesting, where did you see that Patrick Chan's highest PCS is over 97? The wikipedia ranking does not report that. And actually...wouldn't that disagree with your original post, since Nathan got 95 at GPF?

[@skatingcanuck9837]

I enjoy this show. I would love to see a female commentator added to the team though.

[@laurievuitton1624]

Yay, glad to hear you're be back :).

[@imfungidd]

Yuzuru got two 🥇 gold Olympics medal.. how can u dismissed him like that

[@orangewedges]

Don't worry, Hanyu's forever in history books so I wouldn't get too worked up over this kind of talk. They are just parroting the rhetoric of the US media who wants one of their own at the top of the podium in 2022. NBC pays a lot of money in broadcasting fees to the ISU, so guess which country's athlete will be propped up until the Olympics? It's not a surprise CBC is falling right in line with that. Disappointing? Yes. Surprising? No. This kind of propping of a skater makes this "sport" lose what little credibility it had to begin with.

[@mervillehill412]

People get real yuzuru did not skate his best that day they where giving fair comments

[@Suulo3]

because he didn't win.

[@Suulo3]

@@orangewedges Because his time is up..... there is a new KING IN TOWN. unless Nathan won't compete against him, he will still win but if Nathan is around Yuzuru is TOAST & I like Yuzuru don't get me wrong he's a hell of a competitor and he achieved a lot more than others skaters in the past but Yuzuru's fans better get real. he was not gonna be on top all the time, don't demand more from him, He won almost everything, he is amazing already, & the same thing with Nathan his time will end to. so don't melt over this, is not good for Yuzuru, you guys put a lot of pressure on him, it does not help him. don't expect anything else from him. that's it that's his limit WATCH

[@Suulo3]

@mish098aimer Yuzuru Hanyu also in the past has received high scores in some elements that were not that high, some people said it in that moment but I didn't see any Yuzuru's fans saying anything about it, or any other skater fans complaining. it's always Yuzuru's fans & I'm 100% sure if Hanyu even with the performance he gave,, had grabbed the score that Nathan grabbed. uuuuuuf all his fans will be saying YES YES YES well deserves it. lol COME ON :-D

[@dfa3366]

Those Russian girl skaters are insane. The fact that even a few years ago a triple axle a women skater did was rare for only a few. But quads? Insane that they did that. I don't know once they grow up if they can maintain that is to be scene.

[@benbailey159bb]

If Hanyu and Nathan both nail their performances then Hanyu obviously beats Nathan. Hnayu has got 98.56 PCS before when he was amazing but here he looked half dead in the second half. I thought the 93 he got was generous

[@benbailey159bb]

@mish098aimer Even Hanyu said Nathan has music sense and feeling and way more Ballet experience than him

[@JM-yy2zl]

Because the judges are no fans of Hanyu like you are!

[@rop888]

@mish098aimer Maybe you shouldn't put words in Hanyu's mouth. He said what he said. And don't go around repeating Nathan said Hanyu has better PCS than him, since now we can just say Nathan was just being polite.

[@lohimenokawa7312]

U guys are way better than the this and that commentators

[@kristenjames318]

I enjoy your show! You're knowledgable and entertaining.

[@zhang1553]

Go Nathan!!!

[@Qacc6]

Also, love all of Dylan’s puns (Aymozing season).

[@Rachel-rs7jn]

I liked "C/B's free skate was 'chock' full of great moments". ;)

[@brendar6237]

Loving these two! Dylan, you look like one of the Property Brothers!!!

[@Qacc6]

I was surprised by how physically drained Yuzuru was after that program. Isn’t this level of tech what he always trains for?

[@orangewedges]

Why are you surprised? He has so many transitions and actual skating in his program that he will be a lot more tired than other skaters who do not have as complex program components involved. Moreover, this FS program was designed as a four quad program. He never had to up his tech to five quads until he messed up the SP and then decided to throw caution to the wind and just do five quads in order to try to max his BV. Essentially, he YOLOed this free skate and no other skater as far as I know would have had the balls to do a program they really didn't practice much at a Grand Prix Final of all places.

[@msmo2060]

He was trying quad axles in warm up... he was probably exhausted

[@glenncoco8715]

Yeah, you could see him start getting tired before it even ended.

[@jjh2456]

12208663 Yuzu normally gets higher PCS scores, but here it was obvious he ran out of gas. He couldn’t keep it up throughout like Nathan did. Asthma or whatever, he didn’t have it in the end. The judges hit him on that and they should have.

[@jjh2456]

mish098aimer all of those leave you when you are fatigued. The judges knew that and hit him for it. If Hanyu skated 2 perfect programs his total score would be up there in the 330s right up there with Nathan. Did he do that? No. He didn’t.

[@oceanle]

you two are wickedly awesome!

[@lacefern7347]

Finally some honest comments on yuzuru lol

[@lacefern7347]

mish098aimer honest and professional

[@bemused2774]

@mish098aimer lmfao, this is figure skating, there are no facts.

[@bemused2774]

@mish098aimer Such as?

[@olegrostov9722]

@mish098aimer Same as bemused above. Such as ?

[@tigerx2238]

Yuzuru Hanyu is the greatest figure skater in history. Although I respect Nathan Chen's talent, Chen was a better jumper than Hanyu in this GRF and that's all. Chen's overall skating/transitions at difficulty level and artistry do not even match up with those of Hanyu's. I hope someone closely examine how and why certain judges give so many undeserved high points to Nathan. If ISU is a fair organization, ISU should fire these judges who cheat to favor certain skater(s)!

[@Pausinohui]

Thank you, finally someone says it right.

[@JM-yy2zl]

That's ridiculous that ISU should fire judges just because your man didn't win gold medal!

[@Pausinohui]

@@JM-yy2zl I Don't think she says that because Yuzu didn't win.

[@Super-SIam]

Yuzuru Hanyu is the greatest figure skater in 100 years of sports history, since 1924... greatest figure skater of the century, without winning gold medal at GPF 2019, WC 2019, JNats 2019, WC 2021 and without even reaching the podium at 2022 Olympics.. just GOAT things :) And highest scored certain skaters couldn't make it.

[@meridesiree7940]

Y'all sound ridiculous trying to claim that the 45 point difference was even slightly warrented.

[@mcgillicutty9256]

40 pt spread is warranted. Yuzu last Combo was 3A-3A sequence=20 pts, missed combo in short 15 pts, under rotated flip 4 pts, and lost pts on 2nd quad toe.

[@jjh2456]

mish098aimer oh dear god...you for got that Hanyu left 13 points on the table by missing a required element in the short. If he had landed that element he would have been fine but he didn’t. None of the rest of the program could make up for that glaring mistake. Y’all are not making any sense and you sound so delusional. Let me say this. Now that the quad lutz in in his program Yuzuru is more than capable of beating Nathan if both skate cleanly. Yuzuru did not here. It’s in Yuzuru’s Head at this point.

[@jjh2456]

MT A overscored as compared to what? You say look at the protocols. Ok fine I’m looking at the protocols. What I understand and what you guys don’t seem to understand and that there is a contrast in styles at work here. The protocols must reward them all. What I saw is the judges are well aware of Yuzuru’s capabilities and when he did not execute, he was docked points. What I saw is the judges are well aware of Nathan’s capabilities and when he executed them he was rewarded the points. It’s that simple. It is not a conspiracy here. Yuzuru did not perform here. That’s it.

[@mcgillicutty9256]

I would not say 45 but 40 yes, Yuzu just ain’t that fit anymore, he was unable to complete his program. Yuzu was winded, Nathan seemed like he could run a marathon. Plus Yuzu repeated 2 programs this year, so he had no excuse for not being prepared.

[@jjh2456]

D Copper and that part too. How can you repeat a program and skate it that poorly?

[@zigzaggyp746]

Talk about these Fanyu's being the biggest crybabies this sport's fandom has ever seen. My goodness. Borderline, on the verge of needing medical assistance.

[@tigerx2238]

I am not disagreeing Chen's victory, as Hanyu made errors and Chen did not. I am criticizing an unbelievable level of high score Chen received. Hanyu should have received more PCS scores, or Check's PCS scores should have been more realistic. (Believe it or not, I like Chen next to Hanyu.) I just wanted any sports to be played and judged fairly, so that we can enjoy sports more. Also, fairness would give players more motivation to work harder, and, consequently, they will enjoy their victories more. As an American, I really would like to believe US to be a country that respects fairness and justice, so I can be proud of my country. However, when it comes to this score difference arrangement between Hanyu and Check, I feel embarrassed.

[@KL-sk1rj]

Can't agree more

[@Jude74]

All of the criticisms they listed about Hanyu you is the reason why his PCS was not as high as you’d like it to be. You have to be good for the entire four minutes, not a dead fish for two of them. You’re literally saying he should only should be judged for the PCS for the first half of his skate.

[@Most-Dominant]

To be able to become the ''greatest figure skater of the century'', one has to be good ''on the ice'' as the complete package, perfect combination of artistic and technical skills, textbook perfect jumps, and tons of difficult transitions, not just good ''on the score sheets'' for 3 years, gifted GOE TES PCS, telegraphed jumps, no difficult transitions, invalid sit spins, aimless strolling from one corner to the other, tons of crossovers, and only spread eagle.

[@mcgillicutty9256]

Yuzu missed 2 jumps, his last jump was supposed to be a 3A+3A sequence...20 points. Missed combo in short ..15 pts, plus under rotated Flip-5 pts. So yes, point differential is accurate. Yuzu was gassed after the last quad, he PCS was hurt because he was not trained for a 5 quad program. He basically stopped skating last minute of program. So his PCS suffered. When you give Trusova/Samarin like skaters 7-8 on PCS , they have no choice but give Nathan types 9-9.5. If they judged fairly, Yuzu 9-9.5, Nathan 8-8.5 and other men 6&7s. But since everyone starts at 7.5, there is no choice but put Nathan in 9-9.5 range. Johnny Weir said it best, Trusova is an acrobat doing tough tricks with nothing in between, her PCS should be 5 to 6, IMO.

[@L1623VP]

Hanyu has always had a slack body posture and lifeless, hanging "noodle" arms in his programs. He hangs his head and looks down at the ice, not the audience, much of the time, too. He does this at the beginning of his programs before he's spent any energy, but it gets worse when he's tired. I've heard judges rightly criticize his poor posture, but it never seems to show in his PCS. Nathan and Uno are good examples of how every part of their body is energized, right down to their fingertips. Every arm movement has energy and intention. For the best posture, look no further than Paul Wylie or Denis Ten. Hanyu just looks like a rag doll out there most of the time.

[@L1623VP]

@6crossovers What are you bombing me for with all these crazy comments? Hanyu is so slack and slouchy, he's like Gumby on ice. LOL

[@L1623VP]

@6crossovers LOL

[@L1623VP]

@Jobless-Anti "Relaxed upper body posture?" LOL You mean like a boned fish with no backbone, slouchy and wobbly."Feather-light and soft, graceful landings?" Apparently, you didn't see his performances at the 2022 Olympics where he crashed to the ice three times or his solo show, The Gift, where he nearly fell on several jumps, especially during the section where he skated his SP from the 2022 Olympics. It was quite scary. He had landings with LOTS of leaning and swinging of the free leg, but keep telling yourself all that nonsense to make yourself feel better.

[@L1623VP]

@Jobless-Anti LOL Keep trying to convince yourselves. It's entertaining.

[@jojojojo7.31]

people who uses the internet to bring someone's spirit down will burn in hell

[@johnyoung1968]

Hey Asher, saw you on That Skating Show. That white suit, with the hot pink shirt looked really nice on you. Have you retired from competitive skating?

[@tokyopt]

The commentary is quite funny must it must also be acurate. It was not Hanyu’s first quad lutz landed in competition. Chen’s program is NOT the best program of all time of Men (are you seriously out of your mind?!?!? Has anybody even watched it more than once?!?!) Hanyu has a completely different body structure than Chen, plus the most complex/difficult program in Men, plus he, against all advice, always gives his all: he doesn’t do “saving energy”. All of that, combined with a program he had never skated before is like... watching the theoretically impossible happen right before your eyes. As for Chen, yes, this was just another clean runthrough, but with a worse costume. lol Just wear your practice clothes, Nate. Finally, just a note to complain about the outrageous and shameful attribution of scores to Nathan. He won because he deserved to win. He doesn’t need his fed to buy him scores. The US fed is bringing shame and disrepute to all their athletes with this behaviour.

[@olegrostov9722]

I write again, I watched Nathan's FS 100 times and I'm still delighted ...

[@olegrostov9722]

I didn't watch Yuzu's programs, because he repeats SP and FS (the same as 2018/19 season) and it is boring to me ...

[@noran7809]

I watched Nathan's FS less than 100 times, but it was many times. I just love brilliant and clean programs with exceptional technical capability that no one in history can even get close to ... But I watched Yuzu too...I was impressed how he tried to reach Nathan's level (5 quads first time )

[@tokyopt]

@@olegrostov9722 Oh, the sweet, sweet irony...

[@tokyopt]

@@olegrostov9722 Glad it brings you joy.

[@arguezm.906]

El hecho de que Nathan allá ganado la GPF no quiere decir que es en su totalidad el "mejor del mundo"...esta claro que Yuzu cometió errores, sin embargo, las injusticias fueron peor que eso. Esto no es una derrota para Yuzu, al contrario, es una fortaleza, por que le está dando la oportunidad de aprender cada vez más y ser más fuerte.

[@Suulo3]

Si mas no recuerdo Nathan fue el coronado en Japon al mejor del mundo 2019 cierto? aaaaw entonces si, hoy por hoy Nathan es el mejor del mundo, tambien lo fue en el 2018... en caso de que lo hayas olvidado.. creo el amor ciego por Hanyu puede llegar a enfermar.. digo jijijijiji

[@arguezm.906]

@@Suulo3 amor ciego? JAJAJA, esta bien...cada quien tiene opiniones distintas y se respetan.

[@carlagomez2751]

@@Suulo3 otra vez de ridicul@ informante primero sobre hanyu y despues opinas

[@Pausinohui]

@@Suulo3 si, Nathan fue coronado mejor del mundo "recuerda que es solo por la temporada" no de por vida. Que tampoco te enferme tu amor por Nathan

[@Pausinohui]

@@Suulo3 a mi también me gusta el patinaje, si bien entiendo que Nathan tiene buena técnica no me gusta su estilo, no es amor ciego lo que tengo, entiendo que Yuzu perdió esta vez, como todos pierden alguna vez. No pasa nada, hay mas temporadas por venir..

[@justice6533]

American justice: there's a difference between facing someone else's injustice and facing your own, especially when the beneficiary is yourself. Ha, ha, ha

[@tasnimsharon551]

thought you people had better insight into figure skating but never mind!

[@agustinaferro5455]

Nathan chen doesnt deserves those PC even if he was going to win anyways. The sport is a joke now and the ISU doesnt hide his preference for him at all.

[@Suulo3]

Blah Blah Blah Blah keep melting, there is a new KING IN TOWN

[@JM-yy2zl]

You make the sports a joke!

[@Suulo3]

@@JM-yy2zl 🤭🤭 Yuzuru ""Global"" Maniac fans never disappoint. You guys are the perfect target for trolls. Keep melting ✌

[@Suulo3]

@mish098aimer how do you know he's my favorite skater? A Chinese guy can win and I will be very happy for him. Who ever wins let's just enjoy it and not talk about the scores. We don't fix anything by talking about, do you think judges care? Noooo. Yuzuru had before, now is poor Nathan that has nothing do with whatever the judges decide and maybe next will be a Russian or Italian guy, the point is we don't fix anything by whining. That all. I love skating and who ever wing bravo..

[@JM-yy2zl]

@@Suulo3 haha!yeah I will melt the golden medal!

[@cristaljanemalit2489]

You could have at least mention why do you think Yuzu looks tired at the end of his program bc he f*****g have amazing transitions in and out of his jumps bc he still believes it's a figure skating not a jumping skating.

[@JM-yy2zl]

He also need to know it is a sports event, not a Broadway show!

[@cristaljanemalit2489]

@@JM-yy2zl it's an artistic sports. Lol. That's why you have points for technical and components. Lol.

[@rop888]

But he doesn't??? Most of them are missing. He had zero transitions in or out of most of his quads. You people don't even know what transitions are honestly. Please tell me what transitions he had.

[@cristaljanemalit2489]

@@rop888 Are we even watching the same thing? Hahaha. Even Chen's coach knows about Yuzu's transitions and Nathan's current SS.

[@noran7809]

@@cristaljanemalit2489 But the judges exist, not only frustrated and pathetic Yuzu fans ...Again, what a luck !

[@aikaunperritofeliz6766]

Realmente son un asco😂😂😂😂😂 no hay peor ciego que el q no quiere ver👎👎👎👎 Gracias por destruir sigue el deporte😘😘

[@avanyoroshiku4060]

conglatulation USA&OAR

[@rywilk]

Yikes, I think I'll stick to TSL and Fran.

[@orange_leaf4913]

that's cuz yuzu has athsma...

[@jjh2456]

Stephanie Halim he got outskated. Period.

[@andreachin9732]

@Jose Hill Sure, Jan.

[@Suulo3]

oh i see now that he lost THE ATHSMA COMES OUT!! he didn't have it before when he used to win almost everything???? lol

[@jjh2456]

Suulo Suulo exactly.

[@RM-uc4mf]

Yuzu is an athlete, y'all think he did not strengthen his body for such a grueling sport. He has been skating in the seniors since 2010/2011 season and been at the top since 2013/2O14 season. He is a grown man of 25 years now. Elite athletes train hard. Even japanese tv reports him as a training monster. Asthma or not quads are exhausting.

[@bemused2774]

What's happening isn't new to long-time figure skating fans. We've seen this happen time and time again. The "system", desperate to rekindle the public's interest in the sport, cling to a fresh and talented face for help. Yuzuru is no longer the shiny new star of men's figure skating, Nathan is. And now Nathan is the one benefiting from inflated scoring, just as Yuzuru once had.

[@MysticTrillium]

What the heck was this commentary on the men? Very misinformed and biased? I don't understand why things were framed the way they were and its frankly quite embarrassing.

[@kristenjames318]

What do you mean?

[@MysticTrillium]

@@kristenjames318 They state that Nathan's performance is the greatest of the history of the men's event...a bold claim which has never been given to anyone else since everyone has their personal opinions whenever anyone tried to bestow that title on any performance before. Not sure why it's ok to hand it out so freely now...? They mention Nathan's skating skills have been undervalued when in fact, that mark, was the one most skating fans all agreed (whether you like Nathan or not) that was incredibly inflated for the GPF... They say that this was Yuzuru's first Quad Lutz in competition when it is his second, his first was COR 2017. They say that Yuzuru missed one jump when he actually missed three, almost four (the combo in the short with the triple toe, the two triple axels in the long, and the under-rotated triple flip in the long)...all of those would have accounted for at least 30 points, give or take a couple more, and boosted his PCS and GOE...thereby making the two on par. This perception of one annihilating the other seems very biased if they haven't even mentioned that fact to viewers. The difference between the two men being tired is based on age, stamina, physical attributes (asthma) and comfort (Nathan having done a 5 Quad program before while Yuzuru has not). The floppy and sloppy comment is unnecessary since we can list so many other people who have other ways of showing fatigue or even poor technique (such as Nathan's stiff knees on landings). The difference in energy is also a factor based on what is being done in the programs...transitions and deep edges contribute to tiredness...which Yuzuru showcased. Quite amazing to see the two men go "toe to toe" except...they didn't, one had a great day and the other did not...it would be more accurate to say "toe to toe" when both have skated their best and cleanest.

[@kittynelson3567]

@@MysticTrillium embarrassing how so?

[@MysticTrillium]

@@kittynelson3567 I listed multiple reasons in a previous answer in response to Kristen.

[@orangewedges]

@L.S. Thank you. I think people don't know that Hanyu had to rearrange his FS program essentially overnight to fit in five quads and the fact he trusted himself and his body to deliver that kind of performance at the Grand Prix Final without having practiced it before is gutsy as all hell. Leave it to Hanyu, who has to challenge everything, to pull a skate like that without preparation. He truly is a legend.

[@justice6533]

？ If Yuzuru and NC switch nationalities, what happens to Americans and ISU? This is the American justice! Lol

[@justice6533]

After watching Yuzuru's interview, a 2OGG player had to rebuild the GOE score, but NC GOE is up 298% in one year. What happened? !

[@sukhantsang8964]

Please share your calculations with everyone because I do not see the annual increase of 298% as stated.

[@CaraMarie13]

The French are great but they turn me off with the music and the sameness of their free skates. I was really surprised when they picked the retro outfit and music but then we get to the free skate and all the excitement leaves my body.

[@justice6533]

It used to think of America as an egalitarian country, but now it's disappointed. Enjoying the care of the ISU, the protection of the judges, and being so proud ？！This is the Christian spirit? The American spirit?

[@onigiri3572]

Yeah, right. Like anyone's going to search "Rocket Man GPF" a year from now.

[@tokyopt]

Lol Like... has anybody actually seen the program more than once?

[@RM-uc4mf]

The only program I am curing my depression and giving me happiness in this dreadful world. Nemesis started it, then Caravan, then Land of All, then La Boheme, and now effing Rocketman. Thanks to NCs programs, I am fighting to live. Not all people may like NCs style but there are people who likes them so much, so stop your negative assumptions and just be grateful that the fs world has amazing talents now.

[@thulekovish8188]

@@RM-uc4mf You're funny.

[@onigiri3572]

@@RM-uc4mf Well, I am glad the yellow brick road is helping you out. I do enjoy Nemesis and feel bad about being so strident or dismissive. Nathan deserves to enjoy his win. I want to think it doesn't matter what the point difference was, the ranking is correct and maybe if Hanyu were No. 1 the point difference would also be magnified. But unfortunately the scoring does make a difference. Someone online did their own judging and came up with Nathan defeating Yuzu by 3 points in the SP. If it had only been 3 pts Yuzu wouldn't have felt the need to push himself to do a 5-quad program and we would have really seen what happened with Nathan's base value versus Yuzu's usual GOE scores.

[@RM-uc4mf]

@@thulekovish8188 My sad and happy reality.

[@infjqueen8133]

Unsubsribe

[@Suulo3]

bye............ Lol

[@adrianareyes9218]

Porque no traducen al español

[@lasoldan3372]

Que patéticos son! 🙄🙄👎🏻