Nathan Matthews & Shauna Hoare : Worst Brother Ever

[@BlackKraya]

The part in the beginning with her dad making her pizza was so very sweet. There is no good last memory to have of your murdered child, I suppose, but if there was such a thing, this would be it.

[@Ali-kb8gr]

Yes so sweet. Even though he was tired. 😔

[@carltonbanks5470]

Very sweet. Cos at 16 years old my parents would have told me to make that shit myself. 🙄🤣

[@hunterjardine7148]

@@carltonbanks5470 same 😭 but he loved her enough to do it anyways. It’s very sweet :(

[@shrapnel77]

16 years old and you can't read some simple instructions to make a pizza? Dam right I would have told you to make it yourself.

[@luciaconn6788]

incredible Dad, makes it so heart breaking.

[@jemmafrost2776]

My name's Jemma and Becky and Danny are my half brother and sister, Darren is my Dad, Anjie my step Mum and unfortunately Nathan my step brother. I find it really difficult saying "my step brother murdered my half sister" when people ask about it, but it's my dad who has given me the strength to keep going. He has given all of the strength to keep going. Some people question why my dad stayed with Anjie after what happened, but my God the relationship between them is stronger now, than it has ever been and they just keep getting stronger and closer every day that passes by. They're an inspiration and great role models. I'm very blessed to have them. I have watched many documentaries and videos over the time since Becky's been gone and this one is by far the best one. You have really told the story well and shown who Darren Galsworthy really is as a father, as a husband, as a person and that is an amazing dad to me and Danny, a loving husband to Mumma Bear Anjie and he's an amazing person all round. I am a very proud daughter and feel very lucky to have both my dad and Anjie. Thank you for showing and telling Darren Galsworthy the man. Not just 'The father of Becky Watts'. Love you Dad n Anj xx

[@Cookieman524]

I'm really sorry for your loss of your beautiful sister. It is very heartbreaking to listen to. I really believe we will see Becky again as she should be, happy and at peace. I wish abundant peace for you and all your family.

[@hannahhopkinson9044]

Jemma , I admire you're family massively for the immense shit that they have overcome - I totally get why Darren & Anjie stayed together - it's not her that hurt Becky it was her son who is of his own free will 😢 . I'm not sure why Nathan did what he did ,but I do know it wasn't her fault so hate the judgey comments that are all over these documentaries 😢 I can't begin to imagine the horrendous nightmare that begun when Becky went missing and still continues now I expect. No parent /stepparent should ever have to go through what they did and it speaks for the resilience of your family that they are all united in their grief and support. Condolences for your loss to all of you and sending love from Aberystwyth, Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿❤️❤️

[@killermfkaty]

I'm sorry for your family's loss. Please tell them that they are people who truly care about what they went through. I'm so glad that your dad and stepmother are doing well. That could have destroyed them.

[@petertraina]

God bless you and your family. You are strong beyond your words! 😢❤

[@UnknownUser-j3n]

How is Angie. Has she recovered from her illness. And what happened to the baby whose parents turned out to be monsters.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Words can't describe how badly I feel for Becky, having been through so many struggles it's just so unfair for her life to end how it did. She deserved so much more

[@dfloyd2279]

She seemed so sweet and kind. Only the evil ones live forever..so to speak a duo of disgust

[@cjvaye99]

I've never been a teenage girl but what do girls get out of calling each other fat when they aren't fat? what the hell is the point of that?

[@LeanneFowler-ms5xc]

​@@cjvaye99Just trying to offend them and make them feel bad.

[@magicsamart2343]

I found myself loving becky and her dad partway through the story. Left a heart wrenching impact for what this human monster did. This story is very well told.

[@tatertotbobaandpieck]

I know what you mean, the father did everything in his power to be a great dad, and he still lost her to that shitty excuse of a brother.

[@gregw322]

Inhuman monster*

[@mikemcmike6427]

Agreed they both sounded amazing, overcame stuff and seemed like great individuals. How disgusting despite the fathers effort the son became a monster.

[@cierrakain6844]

You can be married to the loveliest woman in the world, but if her son is abusing your daughter, one of you needs to come to your senses and leave.

[@cd4497]

Yup you gotta choose your child or your partner at that point. Sad but true, time to fess up

[@kevinrobinson9631]

No kick his ass

[@kevinrobinson9631]

You mess with my seed you pay dearly

[@Walczyk]

Love is love is love

[@The_Cholo]

Especially when the daughter says she is scared of him

[@Soffity]

Shauna was pregnant with twins when she helped murder and chop up a 16yr old. Like Nathan, Shauna was also attacked in prison. I saw a recent interview with Angie and Bec’s dad and they were holding hands and seem to genuinely care for each other. What a terrible thing to go thru. Your step son killing your daughter/ your son killing your step daughter. 🌈Rebecca. RIP

[@Cr1me-wavE]

Karma's a bitch

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

What happened to the babies, if you know?

[@marysupernova7780]

@Thou Swell same. I mean, with the way the justice system works, just the same as how normal it is for some guilty people to be deemed Innocent by courts despite the truth & go on to enjoy the rest of their lives, there are innocent people deemed guilty. Even in this modern age where DNA evidence, GPS, and surveillance cameras have provided this proof that never used to exist that's set so many people free, those same technologies can sometimes be misunderstood or applied in ways that do not deliver Justice... If I was stuck spending the rest of my days in a women's prison for an an awful crime I didn't have anything to do with, being abused by people around me for no special reason except that they think I'm a lying disgusting piece of trash, & worst of all: thinking about how much more alone in this world my little boy is going to be for the rest of his life as well 😭 having no way to protect him or provide him with anything except my mere existence outside of his reach? I don't know how long I could remain sane enough to stop myself from lashing out at child murderers (women that have been proven beyond the shadows of any doubts, especially anyone that brags about it). Oftentimes when people are told they are something awful for long enough, and the years have gone by with hope staying nonexistent, it changes things in them that cannot be repaired. I can see how women in situations like that come to believe that's all they can contribute to society anymore, & disregard whatever inhibitions kept them from crossing that line into "her face ain't pregnant" territory on the Shauna's of their small, sad worlds

[@mrglobemcglobeglobe]

From what I've read, Nathan had a jug of boiling butter thrown at his face and neck and Shauna was beaten so badly she had to be resuscitated twice...

[@RickRobinCagnaan]

I guess his father was laughing at his misery when it was learned that he had been attacked by a fellow inmate. And I guess this father had lost empathy towards the criminal he no longer considered his "son". And another guess is that inmates harm other inmates who have been found to harm or even kill children. Is there an obvoius reason as to why people don't have empathy towards heinous criminals? Because if there is, no surprise.

[@themightymcb7310]

Okay, but can we just talk for a second about the little details that indicate the kind of man that Darren was? When his daughter goes missing, he asks her friend to search her room to see if anything was out of place. Think about the implications of that. He both respected her privacy and also acknowledged that he wouldn't actually be the best person to know the state of her bedroom on average, so he deferred to someone who would. A pure class act. Edit: It's really wild how many people have gotten this far in life without understanding that shit is complicated and nothing is perfect. It might make you feel better to just throw people into "good" and "bad" boxes, but that's not really how it is and we all know it.

[@maggiee639]

He does seem like a good dad. I was touched when he made her a pizza late at night. I suffered from anorexia as well and it reminded me of my own father who will drop whatever he’s doing to make you something to eat. Those little things mean a lot. You know he really loved and respected his daughter.

[@jamespriest6660]

You know I was thinking the same. He seems like a really stand up guy with his head on straight. My heart goes out to him and Angie

[@Boo-dawg.]

If he was such a class act that stepson and baby mama wouldn't have been in my house. Regardless of what the reason was. When you can't tell that the son is extremely bent you definitely can't see the forest for the trees or in this case, for the new grandchild. You don't sacrifice your daughter to be grand parents and put up with nut case kids just to see grandchildren . I'm not cold, I have 3 but my home isn't going to be torn apart because one of them has a baby now. Shit! It would be GTFO and don't come back until you have a soul and a conscience.

[@christylove4834]

@@maggiee639 iofiu

[@DubsTV93]

@@Boo-dawg. Exactly, they knew he was a child toucher. It's a big mistake to look past that, very sad outcome. Becky seemed like a wonderful young lady.

[@gurlwhowants2dj]

Parents, don't ignore your children if they say they don't feel safe around their siblings. This is so sad

[@notnoodle2196]

The man that poured the butter over Nathan is really doing what the law simply cannot.

[@miriamdise]

That was one good part of this story. He was a convicted murderer, but also ironically, helped in delivering justice.

[@ZimCrusher]

The normal treatment is sugar. It's called 'prison napalm'. You boil the water and dump as much sugar in there as possible, until it becomes like clear ketchup. It will stick to anything, and hold the heat for a very long time.

[@thomaskelliher]

​@ZimCrusher it's a shame it wasn't that, he deserved worse than butter

[@realtalkwithLorin]

I laughed out loud on this one. Karma is a b****.

[@MikeSamonia]

I think this is the first time I've heard you bash the police for not giving a sh*t about teenage runaways. This was a long time coming and I'm more than just myself appreciate it.

[@woleysmoley3007]

I’ve heard this story many times, however you told it so well it’s almost shown in a new light. It’s absolutely sickening and just unfathomable. Rest In peace Becky. You deserved so much more.

[@Krime_Korner]

That’s why I LOVE this channel!

[@kimmoran4437]

Exactly what I was going to say!

[@briannnaaX]

Literally same.

[@Areniapixie]

That’s exactly what I said, it has so much more information and backstory than any other video I’ve seen about it

[@kyrao3859]

Same thoughts! Well told and I didn't get bored with it. Didn't even realize I'd heard it before till I made it well into the video.

[@breadpilled2587]

If your adult kid brings a child home and says they are dating them, call the police. I know you love your kids, but you aren't helping them by letting them get away with it. The more sexual abusers indulge in their sick desires, the more they struggle to resist them. Also, you're saving a child.

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

You could be saving more than one child.

[@ammiller3911]

Agree!

[@agiraffe3673]

I know, Shauna was 14, a child, and I wonder how much she was groomed by the grown man who was “dating” her.

[@goldenretrievermom7945]

I agree. I love my son, but there are some lines you just can't cross and this is one of them.

[@sunnycat69]

It's legal in uk and most if EU it's sick

[@Hunnie_B]

For the life of me I will never understand why parents let their grown ass adult children into their homes when they are being disrespectful, rude, and obnoxious, this is totally unacceptable behavior.........I just don't get it! Thank you for this Jiles.

[@christinajackson6309]

Especially when they’re coming with someone underage.

[@katerinagiannioudi401]

I assume you dont hv children. Theories are great but practise is different.

[@anitanoecker2569]

😅😅😅😅Do you have children?

[@marialobos123]

The fact that he STILL wanted to have control by demanding BECKYS name to not be mention is just disgusting , what a narcissist!

[@UnknownUser-j3n]

Was it Becky's name or Shawna's name?

[@liamblack2574]

How respectful of the father to get her best friend to search her room, keeping her privacy intact…. That’s the first time ive heard of that happening

[@GoodFellazzzz]

Oh silly! You forgot to mention the present Shauna got in prison!! She got beaten up so "bad" that they had to resuscitate her twice! Oh yes, karma is a bitch, especially if you are one.

[@ladylark10884]

do you know who beat her up? id love to write a thank you letter with some money for commissary attached

[@user-gj1me4mf5c]

Why resuscitate? No way I would help her.

[@chriskelly9476]

@@ianclose123 I work in a prison and we call that street justice :)

[@arianaajbeaverhausen8175]

My family aren't into true crime shows but one of my brothers called me that week to tell me about this crime, he lived two streets away. His back garden and shed were checked by police as well as many other people's. Poor young Becky was beautiful, it's a shame that she believed those jealous bullies at school. 💔 Nathan and Shauna deserve everything that's happening to them inside, child abusers are the worst! 🤬

[@lsimon343]

You said my mind and heart. I despise the bullies too and these 2 animals deserve to have a hot curling iron shoved where the sun don’t shine. Truly an unfair heinous unnecessary crime

[@arianaajbeaverhausen8175]

@@InjectBleach I see that you always make rude comments to people, sad. 🤣 You'll get over it after puberty.

[@tuesdaypatience]

I’ve watched several docs on this case and read the book written by Becky’s father. It’s such a weirdly senseless murder, as they had to know they wouldn’t get away with it. Nathan and Shauna’s fantasies crossed paths with his more than a decade of resentment towards a sweet little girl who only wanted to be his sister…and the entire family ended up destroyed.

[@MrAlcline]

Narcissistic P.O.S don't need a reason to do what they do.. it was just a matter of convenience. She was there , easily accessible. He looked at her as if she was an object he could use an throw away.. God will neither one of them ever make it to their release dates.

[@lauriesworld7008]

Can you tell me the title of his book? I'd love to read it! Thank you!

[@claudetecumseh8415]

What a reckless and insulting attempt at describing fibromyalgia.

[@teresahiggs4896]

Agreed!

[@thesehandsart]

Sibling abuse is real and is so damaging. We need to learn to identify and address sibling abuse for the damaging and harmful and REAL form of abuse that it is... It is not just "sibling rivalry"!

[@krazeediamond1]

Very true!! I have so many scars, not just physical, from my older sister. She's mildly MRDD, so my parents did nothing about it and used that as an excuse for her behavior! She gave me many concussions and literally could've killed me on multiple occasions 😢

[@Liitebulb]

Yes, my parents and everyone else. They say vapid and empty things like "it's your only brother/sister." So?

[@mjpoetry7287]

Yes I was verbally and psychologically abused by my brother for years my poor mum tried her best but sibling abuse puts the parents in such a difficult situation because you love both your children I was so happy when my brother moved out and I don't really put any effort into maintaining a relationship with him even though we are now both adults I will never forgive him for how he treated me growing up.

[@theneedyelf8867]

It's definitely something parents should navigate with the help of professionals. Even if you take it seriously, you can do more harm than good.

[@ertjiesb4158]

Apparently they have both been attacked in prison. That made me smile.

[@Tboy-y6q]

If my son bought home a girlfriend who was 14, he'd be out on his ear. If I saw him again I'd be shopping him in. Dirty b*stard. The theme in your videos is there is always a sign before something terrible happens, often it's hurting animals or a child. It's worrying how things grow and build in these monsters.

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

The father almost played things perfectly, except he let a clear child predator come around his daughter whom that child predator wasn't even related to.

[@SuperShortAndSweet]

@@Onarca TBI?

[@jacobmiller8918]

@@SuperShortAndSweet traumatic brain injury

[@user-gj1me4mf5c]

@@Onarca I just think he was a pervert who met up with a manipulative pos witch who convinced him to do whatever she wanted in exchange for sex with her.

[@xminusone1]

One of my friends doused me with alcohol and lit me on fire when I was 7. He grew up to be a murderer. Because no one believed me at the time he got all the time needed to do whatever he needed to do. I wasn't so badly affected by this and remembered him only after he was caught.

[@cindiadkins9510]

darren seems like such a good dad my heart breaks for him

[@Ali-kb8gr]

Yeah... I just said the same. He seemed like a lovely supportive dad. 😔

[@marktaft]

Except she warned him that the brother was dangerous and he shrugged her off. He kept the kid around even though she feared him. He was clearly a d-bag who liked underage girls, you wouldn't be around my daughter. My heart hearts for him as a father but I don't call that good parenting.

[@bridgetonowhere]

@@marktaft Completely agree. I'm actually shocked by how most of the comments are calling him a great father. He was a caring dad but not a good dad. A good dad would have taken measures to protect his daughter. She literally said she was scared and felt unsafe around the predator who has a predilection for underage girls and Darren did nothing to protect her.

[@nicolebailey4426]

@@marktaft In Darren's defense he had to deal with trying to claim your children from foster care. He also had to take care of his daughter during anorexia. I can't imagine how any parent deal with this diagnosis. I mean we may see her a normal weight but she sees herself as fat. She dropped down to 70lbs. There is reason for hospitalization and therapy. Then he marries his woman who is inflicted with MS. Becky probably didn't tell dad the full explanation to her father of her true fear of Nathan. Some parents brush it off not saying is right. As far as Nathan with young girls even if the police were called, he could lie and say he no bad intentions and it would be Darren word vs Nathan word. This story is tragic and I am glad Angie accepts that her son is a monster.

[@josiahmontgomery6303]

Yes. Too soft tho. How the hell do u allow that kind of mental torment between siblings.

[@lollipoplemur5073]

Becky saying “I have a mom and an Angie “ just breaks my heart. Nathan is a POS and I’m so devastated for Darren 😢

[@tinynina76]

Bullies are some of the most disgusting creatures... so are murderers and pediphiles.👹 You do such a good job with these, and I really appreciate your sense of humor.

[@ceejj9259]

This case has always stuck in my mind, it shook the UK. How could someone be so evil. RIP Becky you aren’t forgotten

[@TashaBryanRENegade]

Likewise. I live near Bristol, remember how hard this hit.

[@lauriemaloney8624]

²²¹ da zßw

[@sunnycat69]

Yet 16 is still legal it's sick

[@aliceinganjaland]

@@sunnycat69 disgusting laws created by disgusting men who want to be allowed to marry children

[@heibk-2014]

@Tasha Bryan Wayne couzens and Michael taylor monster of Worcesters

[@the_all_blue_does_exist716]

I've never heard this story before, poor girl. She deserved so much better.

[@drfrankendoodle]

What a horrific story. This one really affected me in its depravity and the amount of sympathetic people that did everything in their power to fight for their family and instill proper values in them only for everything to come crashing down in a way no one could have predicted. My heart truly goes out to everyone involved.

[@EYE_GOTCHA]

Except for Nathan and Shauna, I hope.

[@jacejackson1993]

@@EYE_GOTCHA that’s a given

[@drfrankendoodle]

@@amazonmandy I think you’re being a bit harsh on them given how things turned out. Siblings fight under the best of circumstances, let alone when integrating separate families with traumatic pasts. Nathan’s behavior was abhorrent and additional steps could have been taken, sure. But it’s easy to point fingers from the outside. It’s clear that her parents cared for her and fought for her mental and physical well being. It’s a big step to ban your son from being around the family. They probably didn’t see all of the abuse first hand and Becky may not have accurately communicated the extent of it. We may be privy to information in hindsight that they didn’t have at the time. And even if they did they may have hoped they could intervene and change his behavior over time, or that having a baby would make him improve. I’m not prepared to denounce them for being hesitant to permanently remove a member of their family who in their mind was also struggling and also needed help and support. You have to remember Nathan was their son just as much as Becky was their daughter. And people let go of those attachments with extreme hesitation. So while yes, they could have done more, I think your characterization is unfair and colored more by the outcome of this situation than the circumstances themselves.

[@drfrankendoodle]

@@amazonmandy I agree that further action certainly should have been taken regarding the obvious signs that their son was a pedophile or at the very least made extremely questionable decisions surrounding underage girls. If not the police they definitely should have taken steps to get him in some sort of mental health counseling. So we’re in agreement there. The fact that he just sent him away with underage girls in his car and took the stance of “if you have to be a pedophile don’t do it at my house” is ridiculous. I understand it’s cut and dry for you on the subject of Becky and I respect your opinion, but I really can’t pass judgement considering there’s a lot we don’t know about what they were actually aware of. And even assuming they were aware of everything, he was verbally abusive in that he put her down and physically abusive in that he grabbed her and yelled at her. That’s all we know based on this video. Maybe that’s enough to ban him from the house. Maybe they felt it was bad but that they could still work it out with him. Maybe they didn’t want to lose being able to see their grandchild. I feel like there are a lot of points to consider. However, I feel like characterizing them as deficient or terrible parents in light of everything they did to help Becky get thru her issues with her weight and school is unfair. Just because they failed in one aspect to better protect her from her brother (with disastrous consequences) doesn’t invalidate everything else they did. We just don’t know the extent of what went on and only have a limited view based on what Giles shared in his video. Unless you’re referencing other more comprehensive sources I’m unaware of. I’m just not prepared to condemn them. Especially since they stand in stark contrast to the awful waste of skin parents we often see featured on this channel. I respect your opinion and I’m open to further discourse, but it seems we may just be on opposite sides of this issue which is fine.

[@drfrankendoodle]

@@amazonmandy I’m sorry I didn’t mean to misattribute your words. Perhaps I misinterpreted your criticism as harsher than you intended.

[@banterbabe]

I’m loving the fact that you are now covering UK murder stories I’m learning more about these cases you are providing details that were not revealed to the UK public…. PLEASE DO MORE sending love and light because I don’t want you to dream about monsters 👹 FYI: primary school = aged 7 to 12, secondary school = high school aged 11 to 16 sixth form = 16 to 19 and this is where you take courses that lead you to University = 19 to 21 plus…. Hope that helps anyone who doesn’t understand the UK education system

[@oldeskoolnana7543]

Thanks. I never understood how it worked. Greetings from America where we are all not lunatics. It seems that way right now. It's disgusting what's happening here now. Pray for us.🙏✌🌻🌻🇺🇲

[@chelleyd4020]

In England/Newcastle they have reception. primary school, middle school then high school til 16

[@janetpendlebury6808]

Primary school is for all children from age 5 (Minimum age for kindergarten entrance is 4 years 7 months before the first day of the school year.)

[@wisdomseeker3362]

Becky had complained more than enough times about Nathan to take her seriously that she was afraid of him ❗

[@AWizardOfTastyness]

I've heard and seen this story on other shows, including studio produced television, yet no one has done this family near as much justice as you have here. Thanks for your hard work.

[@Zorobbabel]

I think I saw this case on Deadly Women with Candice Delong.

[@gangstagarf]

I find it very unlikely they just so happened to kill her on Danny's birthday. I'm sure they wanted to hurt him even more emotionally.

[@boubou2413]

It is so sad when these horrifying crimes are caused by your own family, the people who are supposed to support you are the ones bringing you down & making you suffer 😢

[@ecgameplayer]

Also worth mentioning that Hoare wasn't spared either in prison, one day a group of inmates beat her to the point of hospitalization and had to be revived twice on the way to the hospital.

[@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607]

Leaving a bloody fingerprint at the crime scene is absolutely, positively, THE MOST idiotic mistake you could ever possibly make when commuting a murder. It is literally something that would be covered under “How not to get caught 101”

[@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607]

@BuddyHandsome EXACTLY!! It’s almost unbelievable 😂

[@healgoth]

Better for us as a society that he was that sloppy TBF

[@UnknownUser-j3n]

That seems to be the general trait of murders recently. Humanity has started going downhill in terms of both the killers being hard to identify and also in terms of effort that the police put in to nab them.

[@purplerunner1715]

A star swallowed up by a 2 black holes, what a sad story, Wish the very best for the rest of the family and friends of Becky and heartfelt condolences. And agree when it comes to the police all over the world, a missing child, teen or young adult is not something that should be ignored. But it's a political matter to make the changes necessary to make that happen, and that's like bakring up a door most places as well.

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

Agreed. For an Amber alert to be issued here, certain criteria need to be met. That needs to change.

[@cnelson1614]

You're black hole swallows stars

[@cincin4515]

What black holes? What are you talking about?

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

@@cincin4515 it was a metaphor

[@AussieBrit]

There seems to be no end to the depravity that these filthy bastards inflict, not only on their victims but on everyone around them. Utterly disgusting. Thank you for the programme.

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

They're not humans to me. I don't believe in fictional demons, but I believe people like this are the closest things to it.

[@Michael_Chandler_Keaton]

@@LadyAstarionAncunin I don't believe in fictional demons either. I do however believe in real demons. The supernatural realm exists and this case and our reactions to it prove that. God exists and is the standard of goodness. This is how we recognize evil objectively. It's not subjective, anyone who doesn't recognize this as pure evil is mentally ill. If the natural world was all there is, this case wouldn't be so bad. Just animals doing what animals do. On the naturalistic model our cognitive faculties evolved for purposes of survival not truth or morality. Our thoughts are merely the result of the firing of neurological electro-chemicals. There is no evil or good and we can't call this case evil at all. It may cause us an uncomfortable feeling, but it isn't really evil. No thanks. I reject any worldview that cannot provide a logically coherent basis for recognizing cases like this as pure, unadulterated evil. Praise God Almighty that He promises ultimate justice. I rest easy knowing there won't be any slaps on the wrist come judgment day.

[@AussieBrit]

@@LadyAstarionAncunin Agreed.

[@johns1625]

Although I've already heard this story many times I still watch everything you make because there is always new information included! Thank you! 🙏🙏

[@rhiannavasquez93]

I never knew what Becky went through before she was murdered. This is horrifying.

[@cuppycakes864]

Ive heard this case told multiple times. And in my opinion, Nathan was so mean and hateful toward Becky bc he was attracted to her. Saw her as unobtainable and off limits (weird when off limits is in the same sentence with Nathan, i know) but he couldn't have her and so he hated her for it. And the way he treated her was kind of like how a boy who likes the little girl will pull her pigtails on the playground. He just took it to the extreme. He's a disgusting loser who is where he belongs. And although im not excusing Shaunas roll in this, she was groomed by this piece of garbage. Thats my take anyway. Love your videos!

[@rootsm3]

I agree. I’ve heard other channels do this story but none of them mentioned that about Nathan being a groomer and that to me is a huge detail.

[@AnonMom]

I was watching this and thinking the same thing! That's why his gf hated her as well. She knew that how he felt.

[@Simon1985_]

Shauna was the driving force in the killing but some women like to believe females aren’t capable of doing such things, and it must all be the male’s fault.

[@cuppycakes864]

@@Simon1985_ never said that she wasn't capable or that it was all his fault. She was groomed. And she participated and also egged him on with these fantasies. So she's garbage too. There are plenty of females who control the men in killings. But in this case i do not believe that she was the leading force. Nathan isn't innocent at all and this was in the works before Shauna entered the picture.

[@user-gj1me4mf5c]

I think Shauna was a manipulative pos herself. She let Nathan have her if she got what she wanted as well. She was a lazy, nasty person. Didn't even care for the Mom, Angie when she was paid. Her and Nathan's home was absolutely filthy and even though she was a lazy pos, she had written plans to kidnap and probably kill other young girls.

[@cindiadkins9510]

god the “not knowing it’s the last time he’ll see his daughter alive” hurt me

[@Edgeworthscravat]

My mother has Fibromyalgia, It is one of the worst pain disorders you can imagine. Imagine having flu, constantly. And then dial it up to 10 on different days for no reason. Sadly, it is abused by those who do not want to work, and as a result, victims of Fibro have to work hard to prove their condition.

[@Bubba__Sawyer]

Yeah, that part really bothered me. That was pure ignorance from Jiles. Very disappointing.

[@rosaygold]

Yeah, felt like super unnecessary ableism in the middle of a true crime story especially contrasted with the matter of fact way the MS was treated inmediately afterward. Reeks of "well fibro is fake bc it can't show up on an MRI" nonsense

[@jakasmalakas]

Completely agree, i had weeks and weeks of serious pain and suffering before i was even offered help by my own doctor. Waiting for hours in uncomfortable positions for tests made it worse. I became suicidal before i got any real help. It was completely unnecessary. I am doing better now but its still a struggle. I will always have unlimited patience and empathy for anyone who suffers from the waking nightmare that is fibromyalgia.

[@shedshow1439]

This narrator is often belligerent w his ignorance and disrespect. He made an episode about “street families” in Portland OR that was insanely inaccurate and unapologetically demonized homeless people. I mean he literally responded to my comment and did not apologize. He’s kind of a jerk.

[@Jessica-iq6kj]

I just read recently there is a new blood test that can detect Fibromyalgia. Finally people can have proof of their illness and not be treated like they're making it up. Both my parents have Fibromyalgia.

[@joshs2734]

Wow. Darren is an amazing man. He clearly did eveything in his power to help and support Becky. And it worked. She had gotten so much better. That detail at the start where he was so tired, but still made her pizza because he was happy that she wanted food broke my heart. Plus, unlike some parents, he didn't take his son being a p3do. He wouldn't take that shit and told him to fuck off and refused to support him a bit.

[@janececelia7448]

The monsters should be used for medical research and never let out of jail.

[@jimmyseaver3647]

What makes this all the more tragic is that the parents were reasonable people who genuinely cared for and tried to raise their kids well. Sometimes nature wins out, unfortunately, as in the case of Nathan.

[@jenniej0an]

I'm really confused at comments like this bc, u really believe that? the mother literally chose her abusive- relationship over her son, only had him on the weekends bc during the week she chose another man over her child, then they are taken away from her which is a horrific trauma. I have experienced the system tearing families apart and it stays with u- Nathan needed serious help and they should have gotten it for him

[@ramirr]

@@jenniej0an I think you may be reaching by insinuating that Nathan became a pedophile murderer because his mother chose to let him live with his grandma for a portion of his early life. She could've done better sure, but at what point do you consider a grown man accountable for themself?

[@jenniej0an]

@@ramirr of course I didn't mean that, let me clarify- the official comment says "sometimes nature wins out" and I just think that the trauma of 1) bring abandoned by your mother for another man then 2) bring forcefully ripped away from your family by the system to be put into foster care while your parents fight for custody- shouldn't be discounted. It is extremely traumatic to go through those things & it effects you well into your adult life. I'm not saying it's an excuse or good reason to murder anyone, I'm just saying Nathan didn't have a picture perfect no struggle childhood like many of these top comments are insinuating. It's actually blowing my mind how many ppl r just like "oh wow this just happened out of nowhere NEVER could've predicted it" it's absurd imo. He needed therapy early on

[@cezra833]

@@jenniej0an The mother recognised she was in a bad relationship and sent Nathan away for his protection. It is likely she couldn't get out of the relationship and sent him away while she tried to escape. She made a real effort to see her son every day and always tried her best with him. And from all accounts, it was working! He had a job, good relationship with his family, except Becky. I really think that this DID come out of nowhere. Also, Nathan was never in the foster system, just Becky and her other brother.

[@ramirr]

@@jenniej0an Nathan was never ripped from his family to be put into foster care, you seem to have misheard the whole story. It is the father's two children (the younger ones) that spent time in foster care while he was fighting for custody. Nathan stayed with his grandma before the family came together. Nathan was never in foster care. It is also bizarre that you would think that being in the foster care system as a child would be a warning sign that someone could become a pedophile murderer; there were warning signs, and they were his continued demonstration of being attracted to young girls. The father's children that were actually in the foster care system would have turned out fine had it not been for Nathan's evil actions. He is a grown man, and his "trauma" of living with his grandma for a while should not tint your view of him after murdering and dismembering his step-sister with plans to rape her. You didn't even listen properly and you're going to sit here and scold people with your hindsight bias when you don't even understand what you're talking about.

[@A.Girl.Has.No.Name.]

Another "This is Monsters" to get me through my insomnia. Many thanks, Jiles!

[@pickledragonrebel]

Helping with mine as well !

[@tawandatracee8327]

@@pickledragonrebel I won't "ditto" that, but triple it :) Cheers to MAYBE getting some sleep tonight??

[@pickledragonrebel]

@@tawandatracee8327 too late for me now....sun's up and I'm out of time....

[@tracyhagloch9709]

The amount of SPECIFIC details you give, gives me chills! I've heard this story a half a dozen times but have NEVER heard it told like this!! Props to you and RIH Becky! My heart goes out to the "TRUE FAMILY!"

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

I feel so bad for Darren. He sounds like a legit good dad and overall person.

[@whitneymcclendon16]

If he truly was that, his daughter would be alive today. He should have obviously had his pedophile son-in-law arrested messing with 14 year old Shauna. They blindly accepted his awful behavior by doing little to nothing until it grew out of hand.

[@Thisisaweirdthing2makeusdo]

I cant bare to even think about seeing my daughter “for the last time”. Poor family. My heart aches for the dad.

[@dejuhvu1793]

This case always bugged me & I appreciate the additional details! I’m always shocked how short sentences for evil murderers are in countries like the UK. 17 years for murdering a kid in such a brutal way & wanting to use them for a sexual fantasy? She’ll still be able to have children by the time she gets out of jail. Scary! It’s clear that the father shouldn’t of allowed him in their home any longer but he didn’t want to take his mom away from him. He was verbally & physically attacking his daughter & his strange interest in young girls means he either touched her inappropriately in the past or thought about it. She was scared of him & knew he was going to hurt her. I don’t know why he disliked her so much from an early age. It could be the fact she lived with his mom & he was stuck at his grandmas house. He didn’t mind having a younger bro though. She’s also very beautiful & his creep gf clearly was jealous. Her 1 photo of her dressed up & with makeup on scared tf out of me & that was her actually trying 😥😰 Of course she was jealous of Becky

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

Sadly that isn't uncommon in Europe

[@Fuzzamajumula]

I think Nathan was sexually attracted to Becky at a very young age. He couldn't do anything about it, so his attraction manifested as aggression.

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

@@Fuzzamajumula I can believe this

[@cdes1776]

What I don't get is that criminals can stomach dismemberment etc. Lack of humanity or empathy, emotionless. Something's definitely missing in their brains.

[@lyndsayw5843]

Thank you for covering this case. You certainly added a lot of new information I have not heard before. Also, as someone who has two chronic pain disorders, one being Fibromyalgia, it is very frustrating when there are people who fake the condition as it makes it so much harder for those of us who actually do suffer from it.

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

{{{{{hugs}}}}} I'm sorry 🥺. I have MS, but I am blessed in that I don't have too much pain.

[@lyndsayw5843]

@@Mary_Beth_Reimer {{{{{{Massive Hugs}}}}}} Honey, I am so sorry that you have MS. I wish you healing and love.

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

@@lyndsayw5843 Thank you hun! To you as well 💜😊

[@jennifernewkirk8890]

I am so sorry that you and Mary Beth are stricken with life-altering diseases/conditions. I have had Juvenile RA (polyarticular) since the age of 7 and fibromyalgia often accompanies such a disease. No faking. No excuses. Such is life and it could always be worse. Healing prayers to you both and an additional prayer that there will be a cure for such issues 😊

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

@@jennifernewkirk8890 Thank you hun! I 💜 your positivity!

[@Areniapixie]

I have heard this case a few times before but never with this much detail. I’m always so impressed with how much work and research this channel puts into their videos 🤩 Becky deserved so much better than what life handed her, truly a heartbreaking case 💔

[@katattack907]

You have such a wonderful voice. Thanks for covering these cases but also for including additional resources for people who find themselves in potentially dangerous relationships.

[@guybizzy911]

"A hard day of sister murdering" that shit took me out 😂

[@sandraaa8496]

I don’t understand why this beautiful sweet girl was so relentlessly bullied. It sounds cliche but those “bullies” must’ve been filled by jealousy. She was perfectly average weight, beautiful, and quiet. There’s nothing to make fun of. Just tragic she had parents who adored her. But a monster of a stepbrother. This case just breaks my heart.

[@chelleyd4020]

Kids are horrible these days, especially girls, it’s even worse now there’s social media they can abuse them and shame them over

[@aliceinganjaland]

That’s what I said! Bullied how? For what? Being soft spoken, respectful and beautiful? Jealous haters is why

[@cocothedino_2901]

some pretty girls feel competitive about their appearance. if another girls natural beauty makes them feel insecure about their own, they make sure that girl never realizes how beautiful she actually is, that way she can never become “competition” for them. its a strange mindset but i saw a clique in middleschool that always intentionally singled out pretty girls and constantly insulting their looks. they bullied one girl into shaving her face cuz they would always point out the mustache she didnt actually have. im sure that was the case here, they were jealous and intimidated by her

[@christiangasior4244]

It’s a good way of balancing out the privilege that naturally attractive people get, but this went way too far.

[@di3486]

Well, I was an ugly duckling and also was relentlessly bullied. Nobody is safe.

[@oogabooga1023]

Poor baby😢. She shouldn't have to go through that. RIP to a beautiful soul

[@kathyollis7037]

How sad, a grown man jealous over a lil girl. He was treated as good considering he was a step child to the father & the gf was treated like family & apparently couldn't even appreciate it . Monsters for sure

[@Liitebulb]

"Considering he was a step child" lol what's wrong with you

[@anthonysmith7754]

How tf the mom was happily taking care of two other kids but wouldn't take her own son in? Smh baffles me.

[@faefae2260]

I would like to know more about that too.

[@douglasallan1591]

Man, I live in the United Kingdom (Scotland) and I’ve never heard of this incident. My goodness it’s so grotesque beyond belief that this kind of thing can happen and demonstrates that evil is a real concept. These people were indeed, monsters. Thanks a lot for covering this in the way you do best; detailed, well-researched and straight to the point. Cheers! From Scotland. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@SecretSquirrelFun]

In the interviews of these two, when they read out their text messages regarding abducting a child. They tried to say that it was just talk, that they were not being serious. Yeah right, not serious when a child is now actually and REALLY missing. I so agree with you about the boss being like that. I was fortunate enough to have an amazing woman as my boss. She was so supportive and I was so grateful for her and to have had that experience in my lifetime.

[@rinlo1424]

Oh yeah, I mean, doesn't every couple joke around about kidnapping young girls for the purpose of sex? Ugh... just writing that bruised my soul.

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

Lucky you! I won't even try to explain what my old boss was like, beyond the fact that I had nightmares for years still after leaving that job.

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

I really respect Becky's father. He seemed to be really loving and protective and moral. He was a good papa to Becky. It's just a shame that they didn't keep that p.o.s. away from Becky altogether because they knew he messed with children.

[@29rbs]

Moral, except that he enabled his pedophile son who brought home a child "girlfriend" except when it could get himself in trouble.

[@kathrynchildress1691]

The father really did try. It's so heartbreaking 💔

[@shione1302]

This happened just down the road from me. My family knows her family but I didn’t know her personally. When I say this case shocked Bristol to its core it really did. We haven’t forgotten Becky ‘Bristols angel’ when I drive past her house and the house she was found in I say a little prayer for her and her family. Shauna is due out soon. All I can say is she better stay out of Bristol! Rip our angel 💙💖

[@nubiangoddess2376]

I’ve heard this story a million times, but you really did GREAT and added so many details I’ve never heard covered. I didn’t even realize it was THIS story until the “they hadn’t seen her, but heard the door close around __:__ in the morning” bit. Excellent job

[@dclikemtndew]

I knew it was this story when i saw shauna's unmistakable billboard of a forehead

[@AllianceRisk2024]

Great Job! I've seen this case covered a few times. You have obviously done your research & then some, as always. I've been an investigator for 25 years and want you to know, that you should be very proud of the final product. Love the personal touch on the detailed commentary. Keep'em coming! 👍

[@deez2569]

Your personality is really coming through in your latest uploads and I'm loving it! Compassionate and quite funny!🖤

[@animeandwieardness6132]

Man, what a crazy ass nightmare that poor girl had to endure. Thank you for this episode. This is Monsters!!!

[@bedazzledmisery6969]

Darren is such a great dad. Also, I wanted to thank you for talking about fibromyalgia. And for remaining realistic about how difficult it is to actually diagnose and how much psychological factors tend to influence ones symptoms. I have fibromyalgia and despite no indisputable proof of a test being out there right now, it genuinely is a thing and deserves to be better understood and people to live full lives. I gotta say though, fibromyalgia has never been something that EVER was something I could fathom to "inspire" anything like murder.

[@jakasmalakas]

I also suffer from fibromyalgia, and you're spot on. If anything i try to avoid all stress, to a fualt at times. Entering a situation that would increase stress is unfathomable to me, violent or otherwise. Although this guy in the story probably doesnt feel empathy like the rest of us. I couldn't dream of hurting someone. Even if i truly hated that person, the pain caused by their suffering/family's suffering would be too much to bear. Of course lack of empathy is par for course in the subjects of this channel.

[@TheUnrelatable]

I know this sounds crazy, but check out some studies on fibromyalgia and ADHD. I have ADHD (inattentive) and I suffered for years with extreme fatigue and chronic pain. I was recently diagnosed with ADHD and after starting medication, pretty much all fatigue and pain is gone. There’s a link between fibromyalgia and ADHD, so I think it’s worth looking into.

[@Mira-jj6du]

I have fibromyalgia and I’d just like to add that not everyone with it just gives up and gets government benefits. I work a full time job and I’m a single parent of 2 teenage boys. Some days I literally FORCE myself to do what I have to do.

[@PunkinRB]

I appreciate that you recognize the psychological factors... ive worked in outpatient PT for over 10 years and have seen many fibromyalgia patients- it most definitely is a psychological condition that IMHO goes along with particular personality traits in every single patient I've seen "diagnosed" with it (which usually is the result of them ruling any structural or chemical cause and throwing their hands up). pain is subjective, not a single 80+ year doesn't deal with some level of constant pain and yet many appear happy as a clam and are very active. when most ppl with fibro experience their flare-ups, they can still function fine structurally, but claim they're in loads of pain. contrast to someone who just herniated a disc 7mm lifting with bad form and they can barely move without extreme jolts of back pain and shooting jolts down their extremitys. personally I don't buy the fibro diagnosis as an explanation. just 2 cents from someone's who's seen a lot of it. ps. this doesn't mean things like PT can't help with the pain experienced. but rather some type of mental coaching should be a major part of it at least

[@ambermartin3961]

I do wish the writers had given more emphasis to the reality of it, though. I agree that some people use it as an excuse because of its amorphous source, but they described it in a way that made it sound as if it's a psychosomatic disorder, when there's more and more evidence pointing to helpful physical therapies (medications, handling nerve inflammation, etc.). Please note, I do not have Fibromyalgia, but I have two close friends who do.

[@goldenretrievermom7945]

Becky is loved in heaven

[@terwaantherouanne5919]

amen

[@Metonymy1979]

This is the only time I've seen this story with the focus on Becky instead of Nathan. Another great vid.

[@randomunicorn1578]

The line "she had a mom and she had an Angie" 🥰

[@micheleshively8557]

I thought that was so cool too 💖

[@lyricmelodysheenan]

Me too :) When I first met my bonus daughter her mum was very clear she didn't want her to call me any version of the word 'mum', so she has always called me Lawla (she was 3 when I met her). She is now 8 and still calls me Lawla, and I hope she always does!

[@Kellz82-p7p]

@@lyricmelodysheenan very cute❣️

[@chelscara]

The beginning where the Darrin has to jump through hoops to get HIS kids back is so fucking insane. It should have been a single dna test and then a look around. The kid would have told them she knew and wanted her dad but doubt they cared. Just dumped her the closest foster and said good luck.

[@scheezy]

Legal system always treats men worse

[@Juanita7102]

No it’s not. This comment is very ignorant and you are not aware of the world around you. Systems are in place for many reasons.

[@scheezy]

@@Juanita7102 Ironically your comment is even MORE ignorant. Darren was a good father, who had to go through an unbelievable amount of stress just to prove to the state that he was fit to care for his kids, when they should have been his to begin with. Systems are in place, but if the child is already SAFE and LOVED, there is no need to force this poor man to prove himself.

[@RG-qo2hu]

Heck both of them only wanted their kids on the weekends smh

[@mjc2417]

@@scheezy the kids weren't SAFE AND LOVED though. The dad knew that and instead of keeping his kids and filing for full custody, he dropped them off with their neglectful mom every week.

[@ThisIsJ.Nicole]

She was such a sweet girl. She wanted nothing more than to be his sister and he treated her like trash. I would've kicked Nathan out a long time ago honestly. Especially when he brought home that under age girl. Clearly there was something wrong with him and Shauna fed into that sick, twisted fantasy. And what 'friends' were ok with hiding these packages?! Oh my gosh. Becky was murdered on Danny's birthday. Wow.

[@roleplayingpain4349]

you ever notice that the universe sometimes just gives people an appropriate name that describes them fairly well. Ms. Hoare here is a perfect example

[@roleplayingpain4349]

@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree I appreciate that tidbit of info 🙂

[@Liitebulb]

People don't choose their last name

[@saraa1741]

Good morning, everyone! Thank you, Giles, for these late uploads. It's 1:45am here in Las Vegas, I'm up feeding my newborn, so this comes in handy to listen to.

[@abz_414]

Aww congrats on the little one!! 💕 What a beautiful reason to be up so late/early. It's 3:48am here in Milwaukee and Im just an insomniac 🤷‍♀️

[@blueindigoqueen7077]

Lol I live in Phx, I swear he always uploads at thee best times in the middle of the night! Hopefully u n ur little one get some sleep 💙💜

[@powerfully_confident1739]

Good morning and congratulations 😊

[@TheJemstar28]

Here in beautiful British Columbia, Canada!! 2:26! Insomniac .... only when it s really important tho.

[@dburton2765]

Would be cute if your baby grows up to be a detective or something like that all bc of all the background videos heard subconsciously! lol

[@jalilawaseem1236]

I look forward to each episode you make! The way you present the information is second to none. Thanks again for a great episode

[@DaRkHoRsE-_-]

Jealousy causes others to be cruel. Becky was a beautiful young girl, but words can cause a person to do things that normally would not have occurred. Very sad that stepbrother was such a negative influence on her instead of being living and supportive. 🤬😥 yes he probably had an attraction to her at some point but initially he was not liking his mom and her new relationship. Definitely a twisted obsession as well. !!

[@rinlo1424]

I don't know that I'd describe Nathan's feelings about Becky as jealousy because he wasn't hateful to Danny. It seems Nathan had a gross sexual attraction to much younger girls and maybe Becky being the off-limits step-sister made him resent her.

[@jenniej0an]

@@rinlo1424 yes, was thinking that, he was obviously attracted to her if they planned on s*xually assaulting her, it wasn't jealousy it was deviance and him snuffing her out so he didn't hve to be tempted. absolute horror

[@KikiW89]

Idk about Jealousy Since he's a Grown man with a GF who was Pregnant,More like just sick AF.

[@luvcherry]

@@rinlo1424 I think it was a combination of both and maybe just a resentment towards women

[@aislinnleblanc8019]

There is a gross subset of males that violently resent women they are sexually or physically attracted to. An incel mindset. It's probably the creepiest thing ever.

[@pinkroxysouthmead]

Trust me I have Fibromyalgia and ME and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy I still work because I get no help but hate how it's made out to be in our heads I wish it was in my head I certainly wouldn't make up being in this much pain

[@teresahiggs4896]

I have it too, for the past 25 years. I am very very lucky ,that after years and years , I’m finally getting help and am feeling like I have a decent quality of life. If you can get massages, thisnhe,ps wirh the muscles, and find a gym that has a hot tub, soaking in that helps. A topical analgesic called Voltaren gel is helpful for spots that really hurt. I hope you get help, my friend.

[@kareenwatson6084]

Crocodile tears. What hurts me is the ridiculous sentences Britain dispenses.

[@davidgonzales1338]

I just can't get enough of your channel, keep that awesome content coming.

[@connorgregory8846]

My dad was brutally murdered a few months ago and its devastated all of us,and the British justice system just doesn't care. they believe in rehabilitation over punishment life is not life and you should have said most sentences in england are aways halved they rarely do the full sentence the system here is a joke.

[@NowIsee123]

I'm so very sorry for the loss of your dad. Monsters walk among us. I pray you get justice and find some small measure of peace.

[@chocolatefudge5263]

It's terrible but you know even if he got life it wouldn't undo what happened and I don't think it would make you feel better.

[@Scraggledust]

Ummm, “what to do with him”… he was over 18, 21 - kick his sorry arse out with his sorry baby mama. Don’t allow them around your teen (or in the home), that they are obviously mentally abusing. It is hard, but sometimes you have to protect your family and yourself, even if that means kicking out your grown kids.

[@RindaJane]

I'm 59 and was diagnosed with fibromyalgia in 08. There are several tests to confirm our diagnosis. It's a horrible disease and wish this on no one. If a nutcase wants to use fibromyalgia so he wouldn't have to work makes him a piece of crap. We are not lazy. We are in crazy pain and tons of other symptoms. Love this channel and much respect. I had to clear this up for what was said about this life changing Disease..

[@thisisMONSTERS]

What I said in the video was what his family thought about him, not what I think about anyone.

[@RindaJane]

@@thisisMONSTERS his family was right.. about him. I'm a new subscriber trying to catch up on your prior videos. My fiancée is enjoying these videos as well. Thank you for responding. Have a great weekend!!!

[@operababe0588]

@@thisisMONSTERS I have to agree with all the Fibro commenters who, again, feel they have to clarify and substantiate their diagnosis. I like your channel as well and understand you were conveying what was said. Unfortunately their description can feel invalidating to those suffering. I only comment because you have a platform that allows you to say things like “While Fibromyalgia is a legitimate diagnosis, many, including this man, abuse the system by faking symptoms.” Just an opportunity to support those who actually suffer. Anyways, thank you for the video.

[@cydppalley2644]

Anyone that has murdered and dismembered a person should never be allowed out of prison, ever.

[@sarahlovee4229]

God I hate the legitimacy issues of fibromyalgia. I have it, along with other issues. When I moved back home I had to find a new doc and went through like 50 doctors before I stopped being told "well we'll treat ____ but not fibromyalgia" like fine if you think it's fake, do your job, put in the effort, and figure out what tf is wrong with me if it's not that. Never in my life did I think I'd find my needle hating self begging for one big ass needle straight to the spine(which id been getting every 3-6 months before moving and GREATLY affected my day to day pain levels)

[@bluedragonfly8139]

Imagine dropping your kid off at your parent's house and only seeing them on weekends, then bringing more kids into the relationship to split your attention, and *then* deciding that you don't want to spend one on one time with your kid in the little time you have with him.

[@emmagatewood3898]

EXACTLY!! What the actual F...Maybe try taking care of the kid you already have, before playing mom to two new kids who aren't even yours? I'm sure he held a lot of resentment about that... He turned out to be a monster, but it's worth thinking about how he may have gotten to be that way.

[@faefae2260]

Definitely where his resentment came from

[@healgoth]

Literally he should’ve just gone to counseling and talked to a therapist about it if it bothered him that much though! He should be blaming his abusive/absentee father for causing his life to be like that and not be blaming someone under his age who had to be around an abusive parent and be victim to abuse for their early years Becky (a three year old at the time IIRC) was an abused child who basically had to be parented by her older brother, since this guy didn’t want to be a brother to anybody but HER brother ( 6:38 ) … so what is everyone else supposed to do about it? Break up? Split up the children the dad just worked so hard to gain custody over? * *Let the two of them go back to an abusive mother full time???* * 4:20 LBR kids have survived worse and grown up to be adults who cope without grooming minors and killing their family (with the groomed, now pregnant, minor) over childhood resentment and trauma, they both CHOSE to deal with life’s innate average hardships like THAT… plenty of people have complicated family dynamics or are in foster care, clearly the two other siblings were on track for well adjusted functioning adulthood (one was even recovering from a disease/disorder that has a 20% fatality rate, talk about mental fortitude and endurance that’s it right there)

[@chadp363]

We have a case locally that involves the parody song "do you want to hide a body". A 4 year old boy went missing, and was never found. A video of his mother singing that parody and dancing around with the boy surfaced aswell as another similar video involving his father. It's still unsolved, nothing but his shoes have been recovered

[@mellowyello1478]

Thats horrifying.

[@xenophagia]

Do you have some more specific details so I could look it up?

[@chadp363]

@@xenophagia Dylan Elher, truro nova scotia, Canada. Sad story. W5 news story about an hour long is the best source of info I've found

[@peaceworld5393]

Deranged twisted disturbing! Thank you Jiles, I appreciate your research and love your narration! I have heard this story a few times, is so heartbreaking, I wonder what all Nathan was doing to Becky that she never said other than being scared of him ! So awful! ☮️🌺🐝safe !

[@Reptar4000]

Allowing your 21 year old stepson to date children and allowing him around your daughter is criminal

[@YachtRockFiend]

Shauna is out of prison already. Seems like she got off almost Scott free with 8 years. 8 years for murder, dismemberment and then lying about it.

[@lovechoerrymotion8471]

so sad. her father worked so hard to create the perfect family. he loved his daughter and everyone in that home so much. rest in peace beautiful becky.

[@missbearlockholmes]

Why was Nathan left with his grandmother for so long? Boys falling through the gaps seems like a monster recipe for sure. I can think of 2 other examples...

[@yvettewilliams4893]

Will the justice system over there in the UK EVER hold those monsters accountable for the EGREGIOUS murders they commit & even in spite of their ages???🤬🤬🤬

[@faefae2260]

Yeah their system is pretty laxed😬

[@gchristina1770]

You are judging a system that does believe children are completely hopeless and sentence them to death or life in prison. It is humane unlike your system that is only for the rich 🤑 and penalised poor and people of colour.

[@lizzyd5173]

...exactly! I mean HELLO?! WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PPL

[@F-R78]

I live where this happened… It shook our community to its core

[@suzimonkey345]

This case was so shocking & heartbreaking as it was happening. I still think about their poor parents sometimes…I find it so haunting! It’s absolutely horrifying what happened to Becky!

[@almasantiago1100]

I absolutely love all your content I am so grateful that I found you! you are one of the best true crime KZbinrs to listen to please don't ever stop. Keep up the hard work you're awesome! ❤️

[@TheBohemiansWife]

Excellent show as usual! One side note though: there absolutely are (numerous) tests for fibromyalgia, and in 2008 I went through a battery of them at Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN., ordered by the physician who, at the time, was the leading authority on fibromyalgia (in the world). I was rather surprised by your description of fibromyalgia; that is how it used to be understood and described. Anyway, no worries, fibromyalgia is a tricky animal. Thanks for your channel, it’s one of my favs.

[@ATsbees]

Agreed. My mother has fibromyalgia so it was disappointing to hear it described as a questionably legitimate disease used by lazy people to get unemployment. My mother has continued to work full-time as a mental health counselor despite the diagnosis and discomfort.

[@TheBohemiansWife]

@@ATsbees Kudos to your mom! Well, it’s hard for the doctors to keep up with everything, not to mention a layperson. I give an ‘A’ for effort. ☺️

[@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826]

@AT does she? Or does she just say she does?

[@jakasmalakas]

@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 you're a monster. Fibromyalgia is a waking nightmare. It makes you feel powerless. Its degrading, it causes you to ask for help constantly. I haven't been able to play sport for almost 2 years, ive gained heaps of weight. It's completely horrible. I just want my life back. Its very real.

[@trishmorrow4180]

Darren is a wonderful, caring man. God bless him

[@courtneyb5264]

I’ve “heard” this story so many times, but now feel like it was really told fully¡ thank you!

[@geraldhencye8382]

Thank you! My boss just showed us family doesn't mean much to them. I liked that you pointed that out. It hit just right today.