Nationalism vs. globalism: the new political divide | Yuval Noah Harari

How do we make sense of today's political divisions? In a wide-ranging conversation full of insight, historian Yuval Harari places our current turmoil in a broader context, against the ongoing disruption of our technology, climate, media -- even our notion of what humanity is for. This is the first of a series of TED Dialogues, seeking a thoughtful response to escalating political divisiveness. Make time (just over an hour) for this fascinating discussion between Harari and TED curator Chris Anderson.
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[@NoobNoob1986]

respect to this site for leaving the comment section open.

[@leonscott543]

Sad we even have to say that

[@gewizz2]

very brave of them

[@williamyoung9401]

So this guy will be the first emperor of the world? lol, j/k! Great debate, and I love how he is putting our own sentience into context!

[@jdemeulenaer123]

You cannot either globalize everything nor nationalize everything. It seems very right to have globalized ecology and globalized economy but you can't have a globalized political system due to the fact that you have many countries with many different people. You cannot rule the world like a huge company and format everyone. In so doing you will kill differences, creativity, art, lifestyle etc. Weare not robots!

[@jdemeulenaer123]

Climate change is a huge hoax and your ignorance about the facts is dangerous. China is working hard on fixing its environment and the problems of foreign companies consciously polluting their conutry. Job loss is a big issue. The Wall on the US southern border is a must in the face of huge exoduses which means that South America is completely unable to manage its own citizens. What do you think if China were to do the same and send thousands of Chinese to the US without restrain... Wouldn't this be crazy??

[@toddlyons549]

"you will own nothing and be happy" translates to the elite thinking "we will own everything and be happy"!

[@debclarke1746]

They will own nothing and we will be happy lol

[@Bisquick]

Reminded of Michael Parenti, an excerpt from his piece Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty, which highlights this very same dynamic under the auspices of global US empire and its continued "full spectrum domination" via currency hegemony and implicit omnipresent military threat: _"In their perpetual confusion, some liberal critics conclude that foreign aid and IMF and World Bank structural adjustments “do not work”; the end result is less self-sufficiency and more poverty for the recipient nations, they point out. Why then do the rich member states continue to fund the IMF and World Bank? Are their leaders just less intelligent than the critics who keep pointing out to them that their policies are having the opposite effect?_ _No, it is the critics who are stupid not the western leaders and investors who own so much of the world and enjoy such immense wealth and success. They pursue their aid and foreign loan programs because such programs do work. The question is, work for whom? Cui bono?_ _The purpose behind their investments, loans, and aid programs is not to uplift the masses in other countries. That is certainly not the business they are in. The purpose is to serve the interests of global capital accumulation, to take over the lands and local economies of Third World peoples, monopolize their markets, depress their wages, indenture their labor with enormous debts, privatize their public service sector, and prevent these nations from emerging as trade competitors by not allowing them a normal development._ _In these respects, investments, foreign loans, and structural adjustments work very well indeed._ _The real mystery is: why do some people find such an analysis to be so improbable, a “conspiratorial” imagining? Why are they skeptical that U.S. rulers knowingly and deliberately pursue such ruthless policies (suppress wages, rollback environmental protections, eliminate the public sector, cut human services) in the Third World? These rulers are pursuing much the same policies right here in our own country!_ _Isn’t it time that liberal critics stop thinking that the people who own so much of the world---and want to own it all---are “incompetent” or “misguided” or “failing to see the unintended consequences of their policies”? You are not being very smart when you think your enemies are not as smart as you. They know where their interests lie, and so should we."_

[@Bisquick]

@@debclarke1746 _"The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionizing of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind."_ - some guy (Marx to not be pointlessly facetious), a bit optimistic at the end we wouldn't just choose individual delusion while the planet literally burns around us... And on that point, some Nietzsche to offer an explanation of how resentment both creates new moral systems of value but insulates these values subjectively as a passive coping mechanism for class domination, _"The slave revolt in morality begins when 'ressentiment' itself becomes creative and gives birth to values: the ressentiment of natures that are denied the true reaction, that of deeds, and compensate themselves with an imaginary revenge."_ Which is all to say, as that first guy once put it, _"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it."_

[@debclarke1746]

Never repeat their spell. Sing out our own. Stop saying that. You will get what you say.

[@debclarke1746]

The greed of money. This constant pursuit of more money. I think your find in Australia and New Zealand alot of businesses built up from scratch get brought out, it's because most people don't want more and more. They just want to enjoy life.

[@MosesRabuka]

“Intelligence is the ability to solve problems, consciousness is the ability to feel things”

[@sr2754]

Def of consciousness doesnt sound complete.. dont you think..

[@MosesRabuka]

@@sr2754 it is, feeling is the secret. Tesla once said “these ties cannot be seen, but we can feel them. We are all alone”

[@NitinJadhav-cc2xh]

Exactly. Intelligence, Consciousness are one of the few dimension/way to perceive this complicated world. Sad part is that we look through only one lens viz mostly intellect.

[@user-ej6sk1tu2u]

Intelligence sometimes solve real problems. It solves mostly problems that intelligence created: mathematics, literature, ..

[@BALBIRSINGH-qf5ft]

🙏

[@AndrewPhillipsTech]

"Either nationalise the economy of globalise the political system" That's the best explanation I've heard yet of why modern politics is so tightly aligned across the West

[@barnabastoth9283]

A friend of mine told me a global government will form sooner or later (probably not in a peaceful way). I start to think he is right, even though we dont know what its gonna be like

[@Yourefreekinbrilliant]

Seemingly. Perhaps there are nuances to that.

[@48038]

Nice interpretation....

[@firemunky1980]

Globalism is the death of free throught. Read a book.

[@Yourefreekinbrilliant]

@@firemunky1980 Look around YOU. free thought died a long time ago with Nationalism and Fascism and Communism and hero worship. I've read more books and my library is more extensive than you could possibly imagine. Most people are incapable of free thought. Their prejudices and superstitions and bigotry and what their "grand old flags and governments" have "allowed" in their curriculum, only indoctrinates.

[@connernickerson5509]

I'm surprised, frankly, that TED deigned to allow us to express our opinions on this video. How thoughtful of them!

[@Zajcooo]

seeing how there are already shitstorms starting I wouldn't be surprised if they disable it later

[@michaelhart1072]

Conner Nickerson they didn't block the brexit video months ago. they only block on blm and feminsim

[@connernickerson5509]

"KZbin's comment system isn't up to the task of maintaining a constructive dialogue." Orwellian doublespeak for "people have opinions about progressive dogma that we disagree with, so we'll silence them." See, easy!

[@kallistiX1]

THAT'S WHAT ORWELLIAN MEANS OR WHAT ORWELL WOULD HAVE MEANT. CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP USING RIDICULOUS JARGON THAT BASTARDIZES LITERARY WORKS THEY'VE NEVER READ TO IMPLY THAT YOU ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN YOU ARE.

[@6not6polish6]

Conner Nickerson I'm just as surprised as you. To be fair though, the comments are usually disabled on the "progressive" videos, this is more a political discussion.Still nice to not be silenced!

[@sweenie58]

It has been our sad experience that as soon as someone gains that which they think is authority they immediately begin to practice unrighteous dominion over the souls of mankind.

[@txwaterbird6115]

Yes. I agree 100 percent.

[@14sakuya26]

Is it human nature? 😑

[@NTF-zb9wi]

@@14sakuya26 Unfortunately, yes...

[@davidf3975]

YES! and I should have read your comment...and stayed silent before chiming in on this conversation.

[@JD-jl4yy]

Well, that's why we have democracy. It's heavily flawed but is effective at fighting this problem.

[@hakimakbary65]

Not trying to create drama but When he said we are in the best era of our history, my mind immediately took me to my country (Afghanistan). In the best era of our history, our girls cannot go to school (The Taliban do not let them), our minority groups are being killed (Hazara people), the vast majority of our nation is under the poverty line! Having said this, I remember Harrari's TED talk where he said that human beings' extraordinary achievement is always achieved collectively not individually. That is the point!!! We, as Afghans, have never been a united nation/collection. That is why in the best era of the history of mankind, we are still a bunch of desperate people!!!

[@selimfurkandalgic9548]

???

[@dalton7145]

1st you need to realize that because of Afghans natural resources the Globalist will never allow for your country to be united under freedom. Think about all the wars fought there for decades, and why? I pray for the people of Afghanistan, and for those who have purposely destroyed it, I pray swift judgement from God comes to them.

[@mfst100]

I am sure there will be a few cases of homeschooling for girls and Talibans can not stop it, and it will have impact on the future. The taliban culture can not turn back the time completely.

[@thaisgibson1717]

At a surface level, a lot of his ideas have merit BUT there are two incredibly important points unaccounted for: 1) Globalism has tremendously greater risks than rewards to the every day person if the people running the globalist show are corrupt 2) The human condition is flawed because of generational trauma. Until there is a transformation in how we approach and recondition trauma (Ex. Overcome greed, learn how to manage fear etc - which will never be perfect but we need to see massive change) then a human’s personal condition who is in charge will continue to infiltrate and influence public policy. We aren’t ready for big government that crushes the middle class until there is more healing in our world.

[@pussy_master6927]

Why would corporates pay more if the same job could be done for less money if outsourced? It's capitalism to increase profits and reduce costs and globalisation is the next step to capitalism.

[@EmptyMirrorMindful]

We arent ready for it for at least another 100,000 years. How long have humans been around now? We still have people running nations who sell body parts from political slaves for money. This is simply communism/socialism 2.0 on a much grander scale. Please point me to a nation where ultimate power has EVER been “better for the people.”? WEF is the worlds uber elites just using their wealth and influence to increase their wealth and influence and make sure they keep it.

[@dmlindley]

Globalist will win. They will release a virus . They will do anything . I mean anything. They have control of all the media and write the story. In the US they have control of the Justice Department FBI and CIA. The lobbyist have paid off the politicians/Game over you lose

[@EmptyMirrorMindful]

@@dmlindley They can try.

[@nick23900]

I think people use the word trauma in this context because they can’t believe that humans are sometimes just evil. Replace the word evil with trauma and this comment makes more sense

[@joshuabarnett7128]

I'm a conservative from Nebraska and I loved this. I disagree about the necessity of globalism and with the notion that it would ever happen peacefully. However, I think THIS is the conversation that should be happening right now, rather than all the lies and half trues pushed on us from biases media sources. Thank you!

[@auto-did-act]

Thanks for being a rational and calm voice for the conservative position. All the ranting and raving from extremists (on both sides) tends to obscure and obstruct genuine, productive debate and discussion. It's reassuring to know folks like you are still out there, being productively curious. This is, of course, not a full debate and there is no way to tackle the whole world's future in just one hour, with just two people, but I agree that this conversation had to start somewhere like this and it must be continued, regardless of the screeching from wing-nuts on all sides.

[@julianrueda1134]

I differ in political views but share your agreeableness. Keep on encouraging proper discussion👍

[@nbree4113]

My hope for humanity is restored

[@ilonabaier6042]

amerika and nebraska are a perfect fit for you. please stay put

[@clintonkotzee7271]

If people could TRULY sit down and discuss the white elephant in the room without getting offended or trying to be right, only THEN will humanity truly start moving forward. A united humanity will be able to overcome any obstacles thrown in front of them. So humanity's 1st true challenge is to be united in the way we think. Before that, I do not have a lot of hope for a good future.

[@HSR107]

Does anyone else remember when it was the grass-roots left which was anti-globalism and the right were the supporters of international-corporatism? My how things have changed over the past 15 years.

[@MKTElM]

That was before Global Warming reared its ugly head as a grass roots left concern .

[@ronin5614]

Right! The battle for seattle in '99 was anti-globalization. They did a nonchalant surreptitious switcheroo on us all and now lefties are all about global nwo.

[@phillipgregory9671]

Yep.they supported the unions and were against the global trade deals that hurt our workers now they are all globalists.

[@kelleybryant5947]

Phillip Gregory now both parties are anti union.

[@auto-did-act]

Nice one! ;)

[@fmr74326]

When Harari says Nations are fictional i love the silence in the US room. Lol

[@dancegregorydance6933]

Harari says nations are fictional... except for Israel.

[@ToriBailey]

Definitely silenced as I'm just seeing this video 4 years after being published.

[@cokelennon2517]

Harari says in his books that when he says nations are a fiction or comunism is a fiction people often get ofended beacuse they can't live with the ideia that the ideologies they believe are a myth. they are used to think the things they believe are true so they cant admit theyre not real

[@dancegregorydance6933]

@@cokelennon2517 LOL so he's gaslighting

[@BertRussie]

He also says equality of all humans, human rights and freedom are also imaginary and based on no real or biological truths

[@sampathrathnayaka3905]

Happy to see both of them in this wonderful conversation. Yoal noah and mind your English teacher.

[@Constantinesis]

I really like the host, he is so expressive and genuinely involved and interested! Later i found out he is actually the owner of TED :)

[@gregoriosamsa2722]

No wonder why he's a Globalist

[@tristramgordon8252]

Really? I thought he looked out of his depth. Mind you, if a Leftie woman had been sat there, the guest wouldn't have had a chance to explain anything.

[@chlorine5795]

Is his name Ted?

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

I find him rather distracting. looking away all the time, while mumbling humm, yes, humm..

[@lourenevey2410]

is this sarcasm?

[@bilbothehermit5868]

“There has been amazing development in "computer intelligence" over the last 50 years and exactly zero development in "computer consciousness" and there is no indication that computer are going to become conscious any time soon ....” - that was the punch line!

[@saucesriracha3763]

except he dont understand how cousciousness works

[@mikhael.j7]

@@saucesriracha3763 nobody does. That's the point, so we can't mechanically replicate it. Without feeling there's no conciousness. We still can't explain from where that "entropy" comes. Not even scientists

[@saucesriracha3763]

@@mikhael.j7 Prove that without feeling there is no cousciousness ? And what do you mean by feeling ? Because the sense of touch is absolutely unneeded for cousciousness to develop. Sure, you need some sensory organs for "your attention to determine" (you get it its not the attention by itself who determine) that you are/exist, but touch is not mandatory. Plus, cousciousness of self is not synonym with cousciousness. I don't get what you meant with entropy, maybe it's a reference to this video? Anyway, cousciousness is just attention.

[@mikhael.j7]

@@saucesriracha3763 i am not talking about feelings of sensory types. I am talking about emotions, feeling different spectrum of emotions, like anger, sadness, happiness, boredom, ALL SORTS OF WEIRD UNPREDICTABLE EMOTIONS THAT SOMETIMES COME OUT OF NOWHERE, can a AI FEEL THOSE?? YOU CAN SAY THAT MAKES THEM BETTER. I QUESTION "BETTER FOR WHOM?". DO YOU THINK THE UNPREDICTABILITY OF YOURSELF IS A BAD THING. to experience to live to die to feel fear of you own demise, can a AI feel that. Other animals other than humans can feel too. Can a AI FEEL THOSE TOO. An AI CAN CONCENTRATE IT'S ATTENTION WHERE IT IS DIRECTED BY OUTSIDE NUDGE, THEN IT TRIES TO FIND THINGS RELATED TO THAT CONCENTRATED SUBJECT. DO YOU DO THE SAME, OR DO YOU CHOOSE WHERE YOU WANT to PUT YOUR ATTENTION TO. Can you see any pattern in my written comment?

[@rodrigozauli6573]

@@saucesriracha3763 neither you do.

[@priscillagallagher7325]

It is possible to be a nationalist with a global outlook but also to act in the interests of your own nation when it is faced with ruin.

[@Peritye]

its not. you can apreciate cultures and traditions of the past and take whats best to move on to the future but globalism is what leads to world peace.

[@priscillagallagher7325]

Hi there, I can tell you that as an Irish woman living in Ireland, globalism is taking us on a path of Civil War, there will be no peace in our country. Also people can appreciate different cultures and traditions without destroying their own countries to do so. Diversity is great as long as diversity is not destroying countries and Continents as it is. Europe is being destroyed, the West is being destroyed. Multiculturalism has some benefits but the down side is not acceptable at all @@Peritye

[@marcobelli6856]

@@priscillagallagher7325but Imagine if all the world was Like the West in the golden age. That’s the final objective of globalism. Not detroying the West. But make all the world Like the west. You are irish you should now how nationalism is dangerous (English imperialism).

[@7828191]

@@Peritye NO Globalism leads to unrest an war, no one but corrupt tyrants want Globalism.

[@Ezekielepharcelis]

@@Peritye Globalism is Communism, just a new Label. Communism killed more than 100 Million People worldwide since 1850. It is not the path to World Peace but to endless tyranny.

[@norah3220]

If you live in your mind there is no role for homeosapiiens but if in your heart then theres a role and it's to evolve to higher levels of conciousness. We can go higher than feeling,that's why we are here.People have to go to living in the heart.

[@josefabunijmeh4363]

This interviewee wasn't enough to investigate the topic thoroughly. Get multiple people on that can debate from different perspectives, then it might do the topic justice.

[@lucasvinzon8943]

Josef Abu Nijmeh posts 10 minutes after video was uploaded, video 1 hour long. Maybe he pondered his ideas later on the video. Are you being satirical?

[@josefabunijmeh4363]

This is true. However, judging by the flow of the conversation it was rather one sided. If you watch Joe Rogan's podcast let's say, you can appreciate a host that both let's his interviewee speak and be challenged when the topic is controversial. As the topic of "Nationalism vs. globalism" is inherently controversial this is of utmost importance. I do not need to sit through the whole one hour before I can judge if the conversation will be productive or not which is what my comment reflected upon.

[@jamiegibsonmaybe]

boooooo

[@rahuljnu14]

The interviewer was too preoccupied with his own fake stories that he still believes and he kept interrupting Yuval and didn't let him finish his answers. Yuval was awesome. His idea of, no universal meaning to life refers to the Existentialism of Sartre.

[@mcgeufer]

I´m afraid if you really want to cover that topic correctly, you need not just more people. But also way more time. There are so many factors involved. I guess there should be a whole series of videos to it that cover all the main issues. Including all the problems that we failed to fix so far and all the possible new problems from the fixes we have to provide. It´s not really as simple as comparing the two words Nationalism and Globalism.

[@imakemusique]

I believe important point of this discussion is not to decide whether you need to become a "globalist" or a "nationalist", rather that we begin discussing the importance of global communication to solve the global challenges which are looming on the horizon.

[@johnnyguerra5427]

If we hav global problems we should communicate to solve those issues, but still hav national sovereignty. We hav a right to freedom and piracy.

[@ComeCleanAmerica]

@@johnnyguerra5427 I hope you meant privacy, not piracy; pirates want their freedom to.

[@dinsel9691]

@@johnnyguerra5427 you have a freedom to work like a dog and pay taxes regardless of whether you are in a national or global government.

[@g.williams2047]

The debate isn't more about how much control do we want to give the global government.

[@imakemusique]

@@g.williams2047 is or isn`t? not sure I understand.

[@randa982]

This conversation is blowing my mind..

[@ozwaldperkz7649]

i really attend your dialogue consciously, and very interesting, so i decide to follow then after yours. thank you !

[@corbinstack]

I've never heard someone shill so hard for the Greater Israel Project. This guy preaches the power of people believing in a good story - and in his vision of global governance, it requires everyone to set aside their own stories to believe in one created by the powers that shouldn't be. Nationalism can solve global issues, because it's in the best interest of every nation to survive. Every nation can see what it needs to do to solve their own problems and I am sure most nations want to move in the direction of saving the planet. We don't need a NWO to tell us what story to believe in.

[@jaspernewcomb5656]

He sounds like a Cult leader.

[@monialang9406]

Ten pajac globalny czuje się Bogiem..jego idea jest totalna klapa narodow.

[@MrStringybark]

It seems to me that humans over time created communities that become ever larger. The question is, has this been to the betterment of those individuals in the larger communities? I think most people would agree that it has. It appears to me that the EU is a beginning that just might show the way to a better world for the human race.

[@bishopvida]

"Nationalism can solve global issues because it's in the best interest of every nation to survive." Globalism isn't the death of nations, it's about the unity of humankind. "Every nation can see what it needs to do to solve their own problems-" Let me stop you right there, how many nations answer that problem with OTHER nations? Seeking help, or taking resources, or or or "And *I am sure most nations* want to move in the direction of saving the planet." This isn't true. Most politicians are only worried about themselves, their term, their agendas. They don't serve their population, they serve themselves and their minds. In a way, and at a distance, this begins to manifest as serving "their" people, which is right back to red vs blue and left vs right. Nations are short term, they had served a point, but that term is over. I feel like you latched onto his message of how israel wants to build temple as a "retrograde vision", a way to go back to a comforting point and move forward from there, and you instantly saw him as the enemy and a foreigner who just wants in YOUR america. It was never yours. It's land. It belongs to every foot that steps on it for the moment that foot is there and no longer. So go ahead and stomp your foot, you're only proving our point. shill that.

[@jaspernewcomb5656]

@@bishopvida One World Government won't ever work. The people who propose it are all out of their minds they've been brainwashed by the con men who stole control of our money and are incapable of understanding basic concepts. The only problems that need solved all originate with a man whose head has never been right. He convinced himself he was a different species than the rest of Mankind and has been a liar a thief and a murderer from the beginning. Gee I know let's hack human beings and make them incapable of independent thought what a super genius idea. I don't think so. Human beings have no purpose other than to serve the Chosen People as their slaves. Look at their solution for their scam artist monetary system, blame their victims. They've always blamed everybody but themselves that's why the problem won't go away. Well they've reached the end of the line the jig is up.

[@noemistaharoczky7933]

I have always considered myself a citizen of the world. But the harder this globalism is pushed, the more nationalistic I become!

[@AyushOjha-93]

Right on. The feeling of being global citizen is not something to be pushed or forced by removing the concept of nations but to be transcended in one's mind despite their existence.

[@willo7979]

wow...such an insightful conversation...learning a lot... thank you

[@jefft6802]

Now learn that he wishes to create the New World Order, which will be responsible for reducing the world population by nearly 7 billion people, and enslaving the remaining 500 million people. This guy is evil. Do some research 🤔 instead of blindly listening to those who have planned your very demise.

[@yngvefrey5592]

The most clever question was raised by the woman from Ghana; "Isn't this just another justification for western nations to rule the world?". I have read Sapiens and think Harari is simplifying in order to create a sympathetic message. That nations just are imaginations, not reality are simply not true. Nations have built up institutions that ensures the welfare of its people. Most nations have some sort of social contracts which means that you contribute with tax and get something back. The more transparant and efficient these institutions are, the more sucsessfull will a nation be. This is not imaginations, it is reality! We need global regulations - I agree on that. But a global government will probably be an authoritarian government that either will develop to a dictatorship governed by multinational cooperations in constant wars with regional upraisings. Harari is a prophet, because he only use the sciense that is useful for him. He use very little social and political sciense and the vast amount of socialanthropological knowledge that is available to explain human social behaviour and draw conlusions for what is possible from this knowledge.

[@user-gt8pb9bw7l]

Nationalism gives a people a sense of patriotism, culture, an identity. When nation's come together to preserve our ecosystem so we both survive brings about a mindset that we are one. Globalism (NWO) is a beast that will destroy both ...

[@Mariajbh2]

Patriotism and nationalism aren't synonyms, but the "problem" isn't globalism vs nationalism. The same financiers who finances him also did to globalism and nationalism, and financed to Nazis. This two, globalism-nationalism are in the same band

[@tamilupk]

Excepts, that's not what is discussed in the video.

[@Mariajbh2]

@@tamilupk Your answer is stvpid, all are related........... or maybe the truth bother you. You can't go saying to the people of what they can speak and what not

[@tamilupk]

@@Mariajbh2 It was a reply to the original comment, not yours.

[@julianyc422]

This you Hitler?

[@Imon-Hossain]

The more and more I watch him falling love with this guy.. The style of thinking. the art of thinking and the art of explaining things in scientific way nobody can better than him

[@ozwaldperkz7649]

Best line: "We should never underestimate human stupidity."

[@Exploer8591]

What did he explain in a scientific way? I must have missed that.

[@famboltfanpage7322]

@@Exploer8591 hey before concluding anything he was saying the data not in numbers but broadly that's why we are believing

[@Exploer8591]

@@famboltfanpage7322 What are you believing?

[@Exploer8591]

@@famboltfanpage7322 I don't know what it is that you could possibly be believing in. He didn't say anything scientific.

[@dipro001]

the last point about our internal ecology was worth watching the whole video. You earned my respect.

[@mawk4774]

The problem is we have put unethical self serving people predominantly in positions of power and leadership. The solution is to put selfless (service to others) people in the major roles of leadership. Those sort of people would be open to transparency and the truth. If this could be done on both a global and local level I think it would be quite remarkable what humanity could achieve.

[@maxvilikei4525]

Your suggestion is absolutely spot on! Now go and find these "selfless" ones and convince them to take the job.

[@markfennell1167]

I would love to be on that level. I would absolutely devote myself to serving humanity by making the practical changes needed for a better world.

[@robertbruceryan]

I agree with your observation of a massive part of the problem of functioning democracies in the last 5 years.. The tricky bit is how to change the operating systems of democracies so that it makes sense to the smart humble servant competent types to pursue this work. For now, it makes no sense to them and we keep getting very marginal types stepping up. They play a game long enough to get their hands on the power reigns and then make a terrible mess we all have to live with.

[@advancedomega]

"The solution is to put selfless (service to others) people in the major roles of leadership." Don't you get the memo? Politic is the art of making your self interest into the public interest. In other words, "Selfless people" in practice means politicians.

[@lawrs01]

You should never underestimate the power of human stupidity...

[@williamyoung9401]

"We no longer have story, but I have story. In fact, I have two stories. Buy my books now." =P

[@wedemgoyz7678]

GDL Expose the nose

[@maxwelihecker481]

Nor should one underestimate the power of human intelligence

[@1SpudderR]

That We Humanity! - “You should ever be aware of human Brain “conditioning!” Not Stupidity...stupid, to believe that humans are stupid! The conditioning is stupid? ! RDR

[@evolutionrhythm4416]

"you should never underestimate the power of human stupidity.". e.g., Atomic fission= The evidence of Clever. Atomic bombs = The evidence of stupid. Clever V's stupid?. Stupid is making a comeback!.

[@MrDevid1975]

really mind blowing conversation. I praise fro bottom of my heart. Thank you

[@britboss7290]

I love listening to Yuval, he helps me take positions quite easily, I carefully listen to everything he has to say and make sure I think the complete opposite.

[@toLothair2]

Absolutely, He says he will speak of the future, then blames everyone on earth for not doing the same thing. He wants to tell us what he thinks is good for each of us. The larger the system, the harder to audit. Keep Governance Local.

[@gunner9936]

Amen

[@willoww5663]

@@gunner9936 i think we need a good system of communication between local and wider governances. The thing is, in the old days, what you did in the New York area in say 1230 ad, had little effect in Africa or Europe, but now things we do in one place can have HUGE impact on ppl living far away, so there does need to be some system of global communication and management as well as local

[@RamdanL]

The thing about exploring these topics is, the more you dig deeper, the more you realize that you understand almost nothing about almost everything.

[@greatgirl6013]

very true The past we humans created won’t leave us anytime soon We are bearing the consequences of times since we decided to stay silent about what’s happening around us

[@theakitata]

It may be my best one-hour spent for months ! Thank you ! Brilliant !

[@atmpost]

Thank You TED from Bangladesh.

[@vkh1088]

I must make a presentation for university about this topic. Thanks for sharing.

[@SpacemanXC]

I'd like to see a conversation on Authoritarianism next.

[@hieil650]

fitting to the channel

[@SpacemanXC]

I like the libertarian stance on social issues, but that's about it. Authoritarianism seems to be the root of political arguments these days. It would be nice to see people tackle the subject directly.

[@SpacemanXC]

what?

[@funkymunky7935]

And focus on the EU authoritarianism in particular

[@calysagora3615]

SpaceManDawn More like Authoritarianism is the he root of all evils. Including all forms of collectivism, particularly the vilest version of the religion of statetheism, namely democrazy. And all other politics at large ofc. Without the insane idea that a class of irrational megalomaniacs hallucinating ownership over me, by accident of birth, and gets to dominate and steal from me, there is nothing to have political discussions about. I own myself and the results of my actions. No matter where you are or how many you are, you don't own me, you don't have a say in how I run my life, and you do not get to take a portion of what make.

[@stevepegg7828]

This video is exactly the problem! It says, there are only 2 options. Dividing us again. look at the comments. "Nationalism is Bad" "Globalism is Bad." I happen to think that a Global economy is good and a National culture is good. We need to try and find multiple solutions. This is not the highlander, There can be more then one.

[@calysagora3615]

Easy, remove the insanity, inequality, injustice and slavery that is centralized authority. The Ad Verecundiam delusion (belief) in governments, borders or politicians to solve or fix anything is a RELIGIOUS idea, devoid of ANY rational, factual or historical precedence.

[@RalphPhilbrook]

Thanks Steve, that is exactly right, and what will happen- good global and good lawful national variety with unique cultures.

[@MrShibaMX]

Also fails to address the gross incompetence and greed of the banking system which needs regulation ASAP

[@saikatbishal]

"What cannot suffer is not real" makes sense

[@UnlimitlesslyFunnyDude]

how so?

[@NitinJadhav-cc2xh]

Exactly. Intelligence, Consciousness are one of the few dimension/way to perceive this complicated world. Sad part is that we look through only one lens viz mostly intellect.

[@jasmineluxemburg6200]

Just off the ‘top of my head’ I could have ten wonderfully comfy beds in ten great bedrooms, but that would not help me sleep any better. I would sleep better if I know I myself would not have to solve all my own problems -like caring for myself with illness old age .....There are people out there who think others having more means them having less. Not just money and things, but time, influence, enjoyable experiences.... Atomization and alienation are not self hypnotising states ! They come out of historical , economic ,realities - given places and times .... Harare is clearly a deep thinking and humane person and it is worth reading him. But the changes he advocates need conscious determination and cooperation to realize, as well as good will, attention to feelings states and a great deal of knowledge and awareness. Inspiration AND determination. I wish the internet were abuzz with inspiration to ‘make it happen’ but I suspect that existential crisis may need to get ratcheted up quite a bit before ‘the big boys let go of their expensive and dangerous ‘toys’ and let cooperation and common welfare decide our future.

[@blakenurden4404]

Incredibly interesting chat guys, thanks!

[@mohammadmahditalebi7564]

when Jonathan Haidt asks a question from Yuval Noah Harari like it is so normal in everyday life :) :)

[@swapanghosh4880]

This talk is wonderful.. like a for want of a better word.. religion of ethics and technology and humanism. 🙏🏾

[@mikaelholmer2960]

I think what many people here in the comments are getting wrong is that globalization is a PROCESS, not an end-point. I think we are way too caught up thinking that we can only have one or the other, while the fact is that we can always have, and have always had, both. A lot of good and bad have come from globalisation, and the same goes for nationalism. Shouldn't we focus on the balance between the two other than choosing one?

[@hayleylongster4698]

Mikael Holmer The most sensible- and accurate- thing I've read all day. Surely the answer lies in finding a stable, yet flexible enough to continually evolve- balance between the two? The extreme version where every product on earth is made by children in China for slave wages is not palatable to me. The extreme version where every nation performs every function for itself and must therefore have a very rigid, hierarchical society within it is also not palatable to me. There must be something in between where the lowest paid worker rights are protected (and there remains a proportion of each 'type' of worker in each nation despite some economic specialisation taking place nationally) whilst we retain national autonomy over certain crucial aspects.

[@ILoveTheGreyScale]

Mikael Holmer Exactly some things grow to make the world smaller and better but never give the kitchen keys to just one man. Because eventually he and his will eat steak everyday and you will share Ramen noodles with the rest.

[@jamiedorsey4167]

I agree. I don't think the answer to governance lies in any single ideology. To me it almost always seems like each side makes both good and bad points, and if one or the other had their way entirely the whole thing would go off the rails. I think good governance is a constant and dynamic process. A possible down side that I see is that it requires competent assessment and honest implementation. I think ideologies miss the mark because they aren't adaptable enough to changing realities. Look how much these days ideologues look to change reality rather than change their beliefs.

[@centerM87]

Mikael, You need more education as to what Nationalism is and how globalism is a threat to it. The worlds rich and powerful consolidating their power sounds like the makings for a future dystopic society and you don't realize what that would mean for your future children and grand children. It's moronic to think that the two ideals could ever cohabitate like oil and water. Educate yourself before you give your rights up to the collective, make sure you know what you are signing up for.

[@WamuyuGatheru]

You are right. The globalisation he is talking about is a non state one e.g. unlike the WTO type one, we can have the ICANN one (the internet is now being managed by an NGO with a global governance structure)

[@ziukh3164]

I am in love with the way this mans mind processes thoughts.

[@SchgurmTewehr]

How do you now how his “mind processes thoughts”?

[@ziukh3164]

@@SchgurmTewehr Good question. I don't. But how he evaluates subjects gives a pretty good insight. Thinking can be really quality process, depending on what level it is done. And he seems to be able to think very efficiently.

[@catem8752]

I also love the way he admits he does not know a certain area.

[@ziukh3164]

@@catem8752 I forgot what part that was, can you give me the min. and sec. please?

[@nahnyeikonyak7040]

There's 87% chance of possibility that you're a sapiosexual. 😉

[@davidcooper100]

Great talk. Appreciate TED trying this approach. Most of what Mr Harari spoke about I agree with. I would like to suggest that Mr Harari investigate the "Cosmic Drama" that is affecting every soul on earth. This battle between good and evil is our reality, it must be won within each individual person. Then as we individual humans gain understanding and control over ourselves, we can become able to love others from any nation and work together to solve problems that are too great for individuals or nations to tackle alone. This spiritual battle is described best through the teaching known as the Divine Principle revealed by Rev. Dr Sun Myung Moon. Also, Mr. Harari's comment that humans have no useful purpose exposes a huge missing piece of the puzzle of his life. Again, the purpose of life is answered clearly in the Divine Principle. Thank you.

[@jefft6802]

If you agree with most of what he is saying, you're having difficulty spotting evil when it's directly in front of you. He doesn't believe in God. He is planning the New World Order, wherein nearly 7 billion people will be exterminated, and the remaining 500 million people will be controlled and enslaved by the elite. This man is evil.

[@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv]

Originally it is from vedant India ie Bharat.

[@yanodessa]

Hi is Amazing and great teacher. Visionary for the best. Thank you. Yuval .

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

First question was great. How do you spot your own illusions?

[@DabIMON]

There is one obvious solution, everybody knows it, but most people are afraid to say it out loud: We need to restructure our local economy, or even rethink what an economy is.

[@jamestang1227]

Global capitalism has given us the standard of living we have now, I don't think anyone would want to lose it.

[@sparkofcuriousity]

@@jamestang1227 A species incapable of adaptation is doomed to extinction.

[@filipesugden1982]

@@jamestang1227 you mean industrial revolutions, lets see if capitalism is so necessary...

[@anweshakar146]

Very much in line with Toaism ❤️

[@dragonniz]

What a brilliant analogy - Comparing our current circumstances to the early Chinese tribes living by the yellow river! Bravo!

[@garywood97]

A global government would be a very dangerous thing. You can't just say its necessary to solve some problems but ignore those it will create. Once you have just 1 governing body, you've completely lost the ability for self-correcting policies due to comparing and contrasting between different regions. That's why smaller government is good. It allows a kind of darwinian process to occur, where people can vote twice on what's preferable: first in an election and second with their feet. I seriously worry a global government will make disastrous decisions but be too cocky and closed minded to admit it.

[@Havensand]

ban religion could be a solution

[@gouglesuckes482]

"without some overarching authority, REAL AUTHORITY...certainly there is no reason to think that it would look like Denmmark, OR THAT IT WOULD BE A DEMOCRACY. Most likely, it wouldn't; we don't have workable democratic models for a global government. So maybe it would look more like ancient China (an imperial, feudal system)...given the "dangers" we are facing, I think the imperative of having some kind of REAL ABILITY to FORCE through difficult decisions on the global level, is MORE IMPORTANT THAN ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE."

[@gouglesuckes482]

@@Havensand irrelevant much?

[@franciscomm7675]

So you must hate the halo games

[@pedjastanich4347]

Well said. Look at Switzerland this model works very well. It is called micro management and it works because those in charge actually live in the community they are governing so decisions they make they live under them and face consequences of their decisions.

[@cubangal1]

"liberate ourselves from suffering" .....that is real progress...thank you for posting

[@ZardexM]

Liberation from suffering is a futile and dangerous idea. An eternal solution cannot be to perpetually and selflessly sedate everyone's need to avoid suffering without any responsibility. Suffering is part and parcel of existing in a limited world. Limitations will not disappear with a globalist religion that want's to believe world can be run by solving things in global social structures. When supply runs low supply needs to be regulated and a global "no-borders" world is unable to do it efficiently. Without borders world will implode with global irresponsibility. Only borders can limit resources efficiently enough so that the most responsible will have most resources. If we let people who just breed most, have more resources, there will be no way of stopping irresponsible rise in global population. Borders should be shut completely, those who breed should be responsible for the land they breed upon.

[@NTF-zb9wi]

Sounds like a rationalization for eugenics to me...

[@snudge763]

this is one of the best ted talks.

[@khaledelbacha2154]

The discussion about the topic of nationalism vs globalism is an intellectually stimulating one. The guest has done a fine job articulating many of the points relevant to such a topic. However, given the journey he has undertaken acquiring valuable knowledge over the years, and especially since he had given many talks directly relating to religion, it is surprising that he did not answer properly the question about the purpose of life. He surely knows that a more complex answer exists, to such a profoundly existential question, than the one he provided.

[@NotQuiteFirst]

The main problem with his reasoning is that he too readily conflates global cooperation and global governance, so he will talk about an issue that requires cooperation, and then immediately concludes that this means we need a global government. The root of this mistake is in thinking that problems can only be solved by governments, and so a global problem needs global governance. This is despite how he actually goes on to talk about a basic problem with increased government power (28:41), which is that in his words, the political system "cannot do a lot of good, but can do a lot of harm" - for example it's easy for a gov to start a war, but difficult for it to reduce inequality. As hinted by the host's question, an alternative way to look at problem solving is to do it by science, technology, industriousness, invention etc - people coming together to solve problems and improve conditions, because people want to solve problems and improve conditions. Government is not a necessary ingredient here, and arguably just slows down and gets in the way of people who are trying to solve the problems. Further to the point of government very easily causing harm, but finding it difficult to do good, Harari gives a chilling response to Jonathan Haidt's question (at 26:00). Haidt asks why he thinks the global gov would be good, since we can look around the world and see that government corruption is the rule rather than the exception, and so why would we expect the global government to be like Denmark rather than Russia. Harari responds _"we don't have workable democratic models for government on a global scale, most likely it wouldn't look like Denmark_ ["like Denmark" meaning democratic and non-corrupt] _so maybe it would look more like ancient China, but we need to have the ability to force through difficult decisions on the global level"._ This sounds like a belief tailor-made for causing harm on a mass scale. Please note his use of the word _force_ together with "on the global level". Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to have a regime which he himself says/implies would probably be non-democratic and corrupt, with absolute power (as in ancient China) over everyone in the world, and the ability and will to use force to make people do what they want them to do. Just look at the recent history of China or Russia to see how many millions were essentially sentenced to death for the supposed greater good. The other main problem he has is that he doesn't seem to see how it is in the individual's self-interest to solve a problem shared by the group, despite repeatedly giving examples which go against this idea. 19:10 _"you don't get socialists denying climate change, but if you want to be a nationalist in the 21st century then you must deny the problem of climate change, because nationalism has no solution"._ This is a prime example of his faulty reasoning. It's like saying "Imagine you're on a sinking ship, and the only chance for survival is for everyone to work together to fix the ruptured hull. The person whose main priority is saving themselves and their family will deny that the ship is sinking because they can't fix the hole by themselves, and so they will do nothing". Of course this is absurd reasoning. *Above all else, it is the individual's self-interest which most strongly motivates them to cooperate* with the other individuals to solve the problem and fix the hole in the hull; likewise, it is in the self-interest of individual nations to work together to solve climate change. He then goes on to specifically say (52:40) how it is poorer nations like Ghana or Bangladesh who have the strongest incentives to solve a problem such as climate change, which seems to go against his idea that a nationalist attitude will result in denying climate change, but rather he clearly talks about solving global problems in terms of national self-interest. He further undermines his own point by talking about nuclear weapons (57:30). He says how in the mid-20th century many people thought there would be a nuclear holocaust, and in facing this problem, nations started to change their approach to politics and war; he even attributes this change as the main factor in reducing international violence and the great reduction in the number of people killed by wars nowadays. He neglects to mention how this was _not_ achieved by global governance, but rather by individual nations realising what was in their own self-interest, and then acting accordingly, whether that was collaborating with other nations or just generally being more peaceful. After all, what even is a "global problem" that he is talking so much about? A global problem is just a problem that affects everywhere. A "global problem" is just another way of saying a national problem for _every nation._ *And why wouldn't a nation want to solve a national problem?*

[@bizambo100]

Listen to the part where he talks about the communities around the Yellow River. Also listen to his discussion about win-win (e.g. trade) vs. lose-lose (e.g. global warming) scenarios. "Individual nations realising what was in their own self-interest, and then acting accordingly, whether that was collaborating with other nations" "Global government" is simply the apparatus by which collaboration among many nations is achieved. Nobody is saying that individual national governments have to be erased. Think of the USA as a smaller example. There are 50 states, each with their own state government, but they are only able to cooperate effectively on defense and other big challenges because of the existence of a single federal government. Think of the "global government" as the federal government, and the individual countries as states. It works well for the USA, so what's the problem on a global scale?

[@partynhouse]

The root of his problem that his conclusion is too simple and solution is too complicated and there are no room left in between.

[@constancewalsh3646]

What gets people together is a common enemy. A nice UFO alien scare would do the job! (see the original The Day the Earth Stood Still - remains the best alien film at every level - gorgeous sets, interesting, tense, moral script, and close enough to reality to count.

[@gouglesuckes482]

@@constancewalsh3646 we already have the "man made global warming" scare though, lol. The secular pseudo-jew even outlines it as the main justifier (along with automation)

[@gouglesuckes482]

@@bizambo100 you already have the authoritarian EU as a prime example of how a global government will never work in that idealized fashion though...nation's lose all sovereignty and autonomy, and are penalized when they attempt to exert their own will/choice. THIS IS WIDELY KNOWN. Do you not keep up with national news?

[@timeandattention3945]

Power corrupts, the more we centralize it, the more we loose our wills to a small elite.

[@evolutionrhythm4416]

"Power corrupts". I disagree. Corrupt people ( genetics) seek power too ( narrate with evil voice) take over the world!. I think hitler ( whom must still be serving his time in eternal damnation) was probably emotionally unstable long before he was elected.

[@samjoshi1812]

@@evolutionrhythm4416 Not everyone ambitious for power has mental issues. Most are personally sane and grow corrupt as they run their course of power.

[@littleferrhis]

Sam 88 Not always true either, I have a feeling both of you are right, for some it’s nurture for others it’s nature. Around 1 in 5 CEOs are psychopaths, meaning they really don’t feel much sympathy or empathy. Being a psycho also means you’re generally great at getting what you want out of people, which is most of sales. A psycho is way more likely to work towards one of these positions than say become a serial killer, for obvious reasons. Now that leaves 4 out of 5 who aren’t, who probably go against their own morals quite a bit, which generally I think is best done by dehumanizing people through numbers and generalizations, as well as a bit of selfishness. As Joseph Stalin once put it, “If one man dies it’s a tragedy, if millions die it’s a statistic”. If for example you’re a billionaire CEO, due to negligence and corner cutting, one of your buildings has an accident, killing 500 guys. You don’t know any of these people personally, you didn’t intend to kill them, and ultimately it doesn’t really personally affect you in any way other than the PR nightmare and money to families. You don’t really feel the moral repercussions because you can just place it in your mind as a statistic or generalize it and not feel poorly about it. This isn’t a psychopathic action, everyone has done this at some point or another. It’s the same reason you can watch say a war movie and feel nothing at watching a bunch of characters die on screen, you can’t really feel bad for each individual character. Or you can go to something like the Vietnam memorial and not burst into tears every time you see it. As a leader one of the biggest flaws you can make is judging how well you’re doing by your supporters, not by your critics. This is why Donald Trump is as hated as he is, he’s judging himself based on what his supporters say about him.

[@Nathan-ko4ih]

If you globalize your freedom will be lost by a government 3000 miles away and you will not be able to take the tyrant out as easily if it was in your own backyard

[@PredatorH2O]

Power doesn't corrupt. It only shows one's true intentions.

[@mahlstadt]

It’s a shame Yuval didn’t engage with the point about CFCs in the question at 26:30. That is a recent example of how nation states can work together to solve an important global problem.

[@nacarreira777]

Both of these books were excellent!

[@gomaxim7057]

I enjoyed the interesting statistics by Harari at the beginning of the talk, but if 1914 should teach us something, than it is for sure at the very least: "never underestimate the stupidity and megalomania of unelected political leaders who are striving for creating big European empires". Nobody denies that we need global conversation and cooperation on several issues. But firstly, this cooperation needs then to occur really GLOBALLY, not continentally - to move political power to big regional entities like the EU is in fact counterproductive for global issues because it will lead to big power conflicts between the blocks of political and military power on a global scale. And secondly, even though there are global issues and their number might be increasing, the big bulk of the political decisions should ever more be decided in manageablly-sized political entities. Because huge global and continental political entities cannot be democratically controlled and concentrate way too much power and economic resources in the hands of very few. Huge political entities always end up sooner or later to become imperialistic dictatorships.

[@spirgtudsrubec7776]

Go Maxim here here, agreed wholeheartedly.

[@NTF-zb9wi]

The appetite for raw power is never satisfied. BI-LATERAL talks may be more cumbersome; but, they're also far safer!

[@g.williams2047]

Boom. Simply put there is just about no way to unify the world. The biggest way would be among cultures, and even then there oils be massive superstates battling it out while crushing the weaker ones. Ultimately, we will end up with EUs all over the world, battling for supremacy.

[@jefft6802]

The New World Order 🌎, which is what he's promoting, plans on reducing the world population by nearly 7 billion people and the elite few will control and enslave the remaining 500 million people. There goes all of those said problems you were talking about. This man is evil. Word.

[@likemostthings]

we need less globalism period, we need more decentralization

[@liefwerk]

That cube microphone is a very good idea!

[@mohammedismailka3720]

Amazing anticipation of future problems and suggesting solution , especially relevant when you are in this situation of covid Pandemic Real genius . Thank you sir

[@rafaelvilas4230]

Yeah, the man got the manual of the 20' decade. His a astrologer

[@guywelsh9589]

This guy Yuval is fantastic. Even though he's really left wing he throws out loads of facts and logic instead of just insulting the other side.

[@rhysowens2480]

If you haven't already, you should read that book. It should be mandatory in school.

[@thoughtfulpakistan9769]

He's not left, he is centrist.

[@johanandhira5429]

Centrist, just like Orwel

[@Ironicuss]

@@rhysowens2480 that’s exactly what I thought when I read it in 8th grade

[@yeetyeet7070]

Thats the left for you, maybe take a real look at it. The left has more facts and logic than the people who want to conserve the past.

[@jeanstableford2628]

Technology and economics seem to be the dominant forces rather than human being . Technology must be at our service not our masters

[@alexpotts6520]

On balance, I think it is. The amount of convenience it provides me is greater than the control it asserts over me. Now that's not to say that I don't think it doesn't have the potential for rampant authoritarianism (eg China's social credit system), or that we shouldn't fight against moves in that direction. But where we are now, technology (and particularly communications tech) is a net benefit to humanity, and those benefits are pretty equitably distributed within developed nations.

[@lacasadehonor9408]

@@alexpotts6520 technology is controlling you and not otherwise, you buy what amazon wants you to buy, you watch what youtube wants you to watch

[@alexpotts6520]

@@lacasadehonor9408 How could you know? You don't know me. KZbin, that's kind of reasonable, I think most videos are picked through the recommendation algorithm rather than through manual search, because otherwise you wouldn't know what exists on KZbin. But Amazon? Whenever I use it, it's to buy specific products that I know what I'm looking for beforehand. I don't think anyone browses for impulse buys on Amazon, especially compared to the old brick-and-mortar shops where a lot of market research has gone into how to do the store layout to maximise sales.

[@lacasadehonor9408]

@@alexpotts6520 but when you type on amazon something， it shows you the results it wants you to show

[@alexpotts6520]

@@lacasadehonor9408 True, but it is incentivised to show me things that I actually want to buy, at a price I want to buy them, rather than persuade me to buy something I don't want.

[@johnhowes7297]

This idea that the main political argument today is between globalism and nationalism is a misframing of the argument. No one has a problem with global trade, communication, or interactions. The problem with globalism is the actors in the globalist movements and the fact they wish to rule for their own sakes rather than the sake of the people of the globe. It's much like the problem with the EU. If the EU would work like the US, in the way the various states relate to the nation, I think the EU would not have the problems with acceptance it does today. The EU operates as a bureaucratic Oligarchy, not a democratic republic. This video speaks to this issue by speaking of individualism (nationalism) vs collectivism (globalism).kzbin.info/www/bejne/poC6o3aBhZlpldk

[@alexanderthegreat7213]

Absolutely correct, this is framed all wrong. The people are aware that the globalists elite wanting to control the world are psychopaths intent on world dopmination, nothing to do with nice people wanting what;s best for humanity.

[@ahmedfaisal4949]

@@alexanderthegreat7213 good point

[@paradxxicalkxrruptixn7296]

@@alexanderthegreat7213 Who is the globalist elite? And what are you proposing in stead? Donald Trump and his reactionary movement? Anarcho-capitalism? The status quo?

[@alexanderthegreat7213]

@@paradxxicalkxrruptixn7296 just because i have identified the problem doesn't automatically mean i have the solution. But, what i do know is that Hillary clinton, barak obama, theresa may, tony blair, angela mwekel, emmanel macron et all DEFINITELY aren't the solution, and the UN should be abolished. The typical globalist elites tha we definitely know about are the Rothchilds, Rockafellas, Soros, along with the Bilderberg and the Freemasons. Jacob Rothchlds has recently come out in an interview and admitted that after decades of planning the NWO is now ready to go and is underway as we speak which is why there is now so much chaos.

[@gifyifhkhmcucyk6865]

The precise problem IS global trade and communication

[@surapongpukdee5911]

Yes human needs to look inward and through understand suffering then we may begin to understand why we are here or what the purpose of humanity. Thank you for the excellent lecture and thought provoking talks. We need more.

[@chetgray5697]

Lol ironically enough this dude believes in nothing spiritually. He pushes evolution through technology, he pushes controlling human impulse and emotion through science. Our existence isn't for the purpose of turning ourselves into govt lab rats.

[@ladiat]

AMAZING talk!

[@rybpavlo]

Such people bring me back hope in humanity! Now I need his books badly! Much wisdom, so brilliant, very wow!

[@stephenkalatucka6213]

Yikes!

[@chaveraoh]

You have heard too little of him and you need to get a bigger picture then.

[@MM-kq7eu]

One of the best examples on the planet of a man who has done his homework. Excellent interview!

[@tyronekim3506]

"One of the best examples on the planet of a man who has done his homework." Huh? He talks as if climate change is settled science. I'm aware that climate change advocacy is a popular opinion but it's not settled science.

[@gainsbourg66]

Onthe contrary, he is the kind of man whose colourful rhetoric caused many of the conflicts of the past. Globalists are using Orwell's 1984 as a template for how to control people. If we carry on surrendering national powers to global organisations, as Harari suggests, we will end up losing all of our freedoms in the name of protection. We are on a dangerous road towards a single, world government which would have a single, world army. With that amount of power why would they bother remain democratic? It's way too risky, and reversing the situation would be near impossible.

[@TheBigdan18]

His answer to the question at 36:38 is incredible!

[@wandefter]

I cannot believe I legit just watched an hour long interview 🤣

[@newideas0ffreedom865]

Thank you very much for bringing more awareness on reality. love from Pakistan

[@524dominic]

this is all propaganda , this is the globalist NWO that wants to soft kill humanity attempt at stopping the destruction of their 300 year long agenda.... MAN MADE CO2 CLIMATE CHANGE IS A MARXIST LIE, just like the MARXIST LIE OF COVID 19 TO GET THE FREE WORLD TO DESTROY ITSELF... you are living in a FAKE REALITY

[@hrdrr860]

Looks like Dominic did not complete highschool

[@harshvardhanborgohain1781]

@@524dominic the world is going to be destroyed by anti christ. Period😏

[@ikennao5299]

the woman from Ghana, Ashanti queen, so bold and eloquent

[@mfst100]

I admire calm attitude and listening abilities of the interviewer. This man is great.

[@firemunky1980]

This man wants to hack human minds. They want to have tracking capsules for medications. They want to monitor your biometrics. They want a social credit system like china. This talk is cheap, the cost is heavy.

[@paulwii4347]

I am truly impressed with the way the author in this video discusses some of the most important and pressing issues that are affecting humans across the globe. I agree with some individuals that we need a new political order whereby an increasing number of people begins to basically lean toward the idea of global citizenship at the expense of one's ethnicity. But one thing has always remained consistent over eons of time: humans have this tendency to remain aloof and to distrust our fellow humans who live beyond the mountains or across the plains whilst doing everything within our political, economic or diplomatic means to counter the threats( real or imagined) which is coming from a government or ruling regime across the border or from a country miles away from us geographically.

[@chetgray5697]

How much did they pay you to comment this? Cause not a chance you're a normal human being.

[@MrTageamu]

Nationalism vs. globalism is to me a no brainer, it is Nationalism!

[@Huesos138]

I'm not a proponent of political globalism and I'm not a proponent of nationalism. Why are the people in this video pretending that those two alternatives exhaust the logical space of alternatives?

[@ChrisInToon]

Laughing Tree i guess you missed the kalergi plan.

[@ChrisInToon]

Laughing Tree the eu insists on hyper migration from the muslim world for their order out of chaos agenda.

[@sharann3482]

CJTaylor 87 it doesn’t really look like that

[@godkillerism]

CJTaylor 87 yeah yeah and Merkel is a reptil.

[@funkymunky7935]

Educate yourselves on the kalergi plan instead of ridiculing those more knowledgeable than yourselves

[@mmsutantowrites]

Wow, very thought-provoking conversation. "If you really want to see reality, I would go through the door of suffering." Truth bomb right there! 👏

[@jefft6802]

Suffering is a reality created by the elite. If you really want to see reality, go through the door after they murder nearly 7 billion people and enslave the remaining 500 million. The New World Order and this is his plan to eliminate suffering. How's that for reality?

[@TheHistorian5]

Great talk! Important questions raised about our current times and how we can overcome these situations. Also liberate from suffering is an interesting idea and suffering is part of the process and liberating from it will always be a concern.

[@robinluich6626]

These people want to control your minds with demonic nanoparticles. God owns my soul. God created all things great and small. He will bound these demons who try to destroy his people.

[@msheart2]

@Ragnar Odinsson Climate change is the use of weather and climate engineering / forcing.

[@leeknowe1598]

Good job sheep

[@calebwilliams586]

​@@leeknowe1598 said the lamb

[@kabayev]

I do appreciate the notion of encouraging conversation and I did enjoy this video, but I think it would be better to have two opposing people debate instead of having a single person give over the information as there would be a bias. Keep it up, Ted.

[@Pfsif]

That's the way the left likes it.

[@job-yw5hm]

You know that globalism vs nationalism is not about left vs right. If you want to draw a parralel between the tow then you would find that globalism is a right wing idea (at best), as they should want as much economic freedom as possible. That would increase globlalism drastically

[@luckychops2162]

job Reneman, left and right come from seating during the french revolution. It is at heart, traditionalists versus those who want change (radicals or jacobins). Various policies are based on various national histories, meaning right and left change between countries and over time. It would be hard to argue that globalism is a traditionalists view in most, but not all, context. While free trade versus protectionism is one of the most varied policies on earth. England made a considerably rightist choice to leave the EU under the assumption they are better off making their own free trade deals rather than only having access to Europe without tariffs.

[@job-yw5hm]

I didn't know that the left-right destinction was that old. I thought it came from the industrial revolution and the rise of socialism. That is what I based my distinction on. Are you sure what you're saying is correct?

[@luckychops2162]

job Reneman, yes it comes from the french revolution, because when they forced the estates general to meet collectively the seating was made by estate from right to left. In France the original revolution or leftist where very protectionist because of the viewed destruction of French economy by the edan agreement which got ride of most tariffs between France and Britian, but half a century latter the French king asked the july revolutionary assembly again leftist how he could help French commerce and they famously proclaimed "leave us alone." Just to give an example about how much trade policy changed even in a single country during less than a century. Same is true in the United States, republicans started as the party of protectionism but became the free trade party and seem to be becoming more protectionist again.

[@srr2717]

Japan is the most robotized society, yet its unemployment rate is very low. Africa is the most unrobotized place in the world, yet the unemployment rate is very high

[@ice1032]

Sarah Ren Roques Japan has more debt that GDP where as Africa is seeing a boom. Which one would you rather be in, in the long run?

[@williamyoung9401]

We need to go back REALLY old school to Roman times with slaves. Things seemed to work out okay for them, lol.

[@williamyoung9401]

Most of Japan's population under 35 is also a virgin and they have higher levels of depression, anxiety and suicide than in the States. And people may not have jobs in Africa, but they're getting laid! Trade off? (j/k).

[@ancapad]

Japan is also the nation with the most under-employed people on earth. They hold jobs, but not doing much at those. I've seen it there, I've studied it. It is their way to mask unemployment.

[@williamyoung9401]

@@ninjashidan Actually they don't. Maybe by a few points here and there, but only because they're fighting to survive and avoid famine, civil war, genocide, slavery, and disease, thanks to the West raping them of their natural resources and letting the local Africans to fend for themselves instead of building up their infrastructures. You know, because of things like racism....

[@jennymisteqq5399]

I wish this were a debate between this guy and his peers who study future trends who have a different opinion. And by future im talking about the next 20-30 years.

[@gioceregido]

Thanks for this

[@psychochef123]

Really interesting talk. Thank you for posting. The title of the talk is illustrative of where "we" still are in the process of evolving through this. We, at some point, will no longer feel the need to make things into a "this vs. that" narrative. There is a way to sync the two concepts. They are part of the same continuum of thought and are the result of taking different precepts into primary consideration when developing a conclusion. There are several points of agreement between nationalism and globalism, however when framed as a battle, neither participant will be completely open and honest in regards to the validity of the others primary concerns, and will not acknowledge the likely negative outcomes of their proposed solution. You can't hype everybody up for a fight and expect peaceful dialogue.

[@djenilee3568]

I hope Klass is paying you and you~re not just An Idiot

[@Anomynous]

John Haidt in the public, good start :-)

[@1mol831]

Don't build the temple, it will end us.

[@jonathanlunn2464]

This is shi*t...the only reason I keep listening is because Jonathan Haidy is in audience...not one m nation of China...whose going to make the close their coal plants in the name of a global decision on climate change....whose going to form a global group with gays and Muslims?????

[@stupidtreehugger]

@@jonathanlunn2464 , could you please say that again, in a comprehensible manner. Thanks

[@yilizhu1219]

I can't help admiring the moderator Chris Anderson. His questions are so sharp, clear and timely to keep the discussion focused.

[@grahamgottard]

Power attracts the worst, and corrupts the best.

[@lysanderspooner6178]

This video was nothing more then an example of the marketing of an idea with limited opposing dialog, NOT that of a truly open conversation. It was roughly 57 minutes spent in elaboration of this mans pitch for global governance. The present level of consolidated power has led us to this very point of environmental exploitation, warfare, and class division. Further consolidation of power is always offered up as the solution. This methodology is often referred to as the Hegelian Dialectic. Problem. Reaction. Solution.

[@vic6025]

That's not what I heard. Actually, he was simply stating the obvious fact that some problems, like global warming, require global solutions.

[@hautboey91]

Have you read Marshall Berman

[@stevem.1417]

A maxim we need to learn: If it doesn't include everyone, it's not sustainable. Whatever we design for our new global villiage, it must account for everyone, 100%. Nobody gets left out.

[@terminaltom1662]

this guy is already preaching the rise of a "useless class" by 2050. By this he means people who are no use to the elites as either "bullet stoppers" ( soldiers ) or worker drones. that is how the elite sees us. He completely ignores the fact that the majortiy of the world's population is already left behind. The problem is not coming, it is here already for the rest of the world. Now, automation is threatening the jobs of westerners, so he thinks he has got our attention. IMHO, humanity needs to stop killing each other and learn sustainable, healthy farmiong practices. We should be concentrating on feeding everybody, providing shelter for everybody, and cleaning up our planetary messes.

[@newhousepictures]

​@@terminaltom1662 - "Sustainibility" and Malthus go hand in hand.

[@thebeautifulanimal]

7:39 the awkward smile of the host. Mr. Harari don't get scared of speaking about politics and the truth. One of the greatest minds 🙌 😅

[@prkremer]

Have fun owning nothing!

[@johnnyboy1586]

The problem to with globalism is that we loosing democracy, where a small unelected body of people dictate to us what to do☹️

[@fKek-yy8tz]

Democracy allowed Hitler to come to power, most of people are dumb, why just don't give power to small bunch of smart people?

[@PapayaPositive]

Hmmm, I wonder why instead of a universal basic income, there isn't an idea about universal basic land-ownership, and people get educated to grow their own food, trade locally, and rely on each other and not big brother?

[@salemsaberhagan]

"What they should focus on is not finding their place in some mysterious cosmic drama, they should focus on understanding what suffering is, what causes it and how to be liberated from it." So he just recommended that everyone should become a Buddhist. That's what happens when a cut and dry intellectual tries to provide existential solutions to the plebian masses :/ Admittedly, religion can solve existential problems that are beyond the capabilities of science, but religion is an adamantine double-edged sword that has spawned as many problems as it has solved. The problem with religion is that even though it is a dynamic system by virtue of being social, it never evolves as quickly as the other social institutions and ends up becoming redundant, a mere tool for the other institutions. And then there's frequently some or the other fanatic who pops out of the woodwork claiming that we need to go "back to the roots," undoing all progress made over the ages. Just because you turn the tree upside down doesn't mean the roots start sprouting leaves & flowers. The majority of the problems in the world will be solved if and only when all the people will learn to control their own emotions and not let themselves be controlled by their primal instincts. Which ofc impossible. So let's say politicians should gain this skill and get an actual soul, with a conscience thrown in at discounted rates. Then we're all set.

[@nurainiever4126]

I surmise what he pointed out from that notion is that people must not find their identity in this cosmos because it is changing but that people must be aware of what suffering is because it is somehow the reason why people cannot think or decide fully because they are being controlled by their emotions. A good example to this is AI wherein it only has intelligence but no consciousness which means to say that its only focus is to solve problems without the need to be confused by its feelings which he does not possess at all. Whereas for humans, since we have both the mind and consciousness which pertains to our emotions, it is but necessary to understand suffering in order not to be controlled by it but that we, humans can control it because we already know the cause of our suffering or where our suffering is coming from.

[@salemsaberhagan]

@@nurainiever4126 this a very old comment, I had to refresh my memory a bit. I don't even remember writing this. Imo, it's more more important to acknowledge that suffering exists rather than understand it completely. I don't need to completely understand what a black person goes through or what a woman goes through in order to support feminism or the antiracist campaign. No one can ever completely understand someone else's suffering because we all experience things differently. What's important is that we discuss issues & find common ground. That's how we solve problems. Demanding that everyone understand what some suffering population feels has usually resulted in emotional manipulation, leading to suffering simply getting diffused, not solved. That's what's happening with cancel culture rn, with myriads of lists of proper & improper behaviour being circulated & then when someone breaks one rule a rabid horde descends upon them for being some kind of -ist & not understanding how terribly bad their actions could be. That may provide emotional satisfaction of some sort, but it comes at a long term cost of socially alienating people & creating an environment of fear. All we need to do is listen to people when they say they have problems, & find a mutually acceptable way to fix those. Move on. The more we emotionally invest in understanding the concept of suffering, the less easy it gets to solve it.

[@nurainiever4126]

@@salemsaberhagan I reckon it is about understanding your own suffering and not the suffering of others in a sense that for you to be able to decide on a critical level, don't mix your emotions to it because you might not get a tangible solution. Just like artificial intelligence is working- so to speak.

[@salemsaberhagan]

@@nurainiever4126 aahh yes, that makes more sense. I went for a general interpretation when a specific one was better. Thanks.

[@methilamethila8984]

In 21 lessons for 21st century he wrote everything he discussed in this talk, almost word by word.

[@manjulananayakkara177]

love and light for all living beings

[@rubenBanzo]

most uncomfortable microphone ever

[@davidwarren4213]

The title is misleading. This should be entitled: "Globalism: the only way forward" or some such. There was no attempt to understand the reasoning behind Nationalism. The fundamental assumption, that we need to Globalize government or localize economies, was unsupported. This talk, IMO, was filled with logical fallacies, and convenient assumptions about the opposition.

[@CarlClassenX]

Well said. There is a lack of understanding on the left of why people voted for Trump.

[@drew295]

+CarlClassenX Besides the real topic of this video, why did people voted for Trump?

[@davidwarren4213]

+Erika I can certainly appreciate that Ted Talks are intended to be single opinions, with a single voice. But a title like "Nationalism vs. globalism" does suggest that some comparisons of merits would go on; and no comparison is complete without looking at why both opinions exist. Similarly, logical argument requires acknowledging the weaknesses in one's one position, and addressing them in some way. At 26:00 Jonathan Haidt raised the issue of corruption, and the suggestion that global governance might compound problems, rather than solving them. Harari reverted to insisting that the existence of a global decision-making body was more important than the composition of that body. I don't agree with this premise, and I think that this video represents more of a extrapolated thesis, than an fully-reasoned out argument.

[@CarlClassenX]

+ Daniel Palaci Well I believe that people voted from Trump for many reasons. But one would be the lack of any concrete change in policies. From the left or the right! When you get desperate you will vote for idiots like Trump just in the hope he will do something. Take illegal immigration. The right promised to fix that for years. It just got worse and worse. To the point where now families are being ripped apart because no one was willing to deal with it.

[@cyberiankorninger1025]

Exactly! In the intro they talk about bridging divides and going back to reason. Then they put two liberal globalists on stage with no intention to show or even understand the other sides arguments. The left can't claim reason and intellect anymore if even formats like this one are that biased and lack an honest approach to facts and arguments.

[@IAmBatman1]

When he says “global cooperation” he means “global control.”

[@leonardoandrescerda7475]

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[@PaulRoneClarke]

Pragmatic nationalism is where I stand. I would be reasonably happy to move towards a global identity, but there seems to be only one method being tried by the West to make that happen, and that is; "Ok - we will bend to the wants and cultural norms of others, subvert our own culture wherever and whenever asked and acquiesce to whatever demands are made from other cultures - including those less advanced that our own - in the hope that this triggers a reciprocal move from them" And guess what? That doesn't work. We get "Oh look at the weak west - especially their left wing - they will bend over and take it - whenever and wherever we want out of post colonial guilt - let's push this as far and as destructively as we can and before they realise, we have imposed our own brand of cultural toxicity over theirs. So easy for us - they actually invite it" How does that lead to a better world? From where I'm sat it leads to a massive disaster and is in itself the catalyst for conflict brought out of resentment. This method does not work and the kickback from cultures that are part of this "let's acquiesce and see where it gets us" experiment are fighting back against what seems to be a demonstrably terrible idea. The idea of inviting cultures and ideologies that, for example, still treat women as vassals, mutilate children and have penal systems that are frankly barbaric and socially toxic - is now being understood. The EU moving sharply to the right and fracturing is a good example of this. The EU has the huge disadvantage that it started with an unapologetically undemocratic framework that is now falling apart and is becoming the victim of its own lack of democracy and accountability. I'm happy to jump on board the global train if and when someone seems to have a workable plan to get us to the goals people like Yuval Noah quite eloquently express - but the lefts plan to get us there seems too much like Turkeys voting for Christmas to me. And we are seeing hundreds of million of people across Europe and the USA very strongly reject it. UK, USA, Germany, now Austria. This is (I believe) directly the fault of the left wings socialist agenda which brokers no argument and no voice to those who question it in the media or in academia. So it's being questioned in the ballot boxes and the streets of the West.

[@Havensand]

this will happen one day humans are very impulsive

[@Havensand]

you nead to factor in the rest of world as well as they are well behind us on global vision

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[@tywinalexandercesaredanaed1819]

The time before the financial crisis, the time when everyone is just concerned about their socioeconomic positions and how to better that by fiscal & monetary policies, not this decade that focuses more on what should I call it, Cultural sensitivity? Political correctness? Where is the rationality of the individual, our own books about economics talk about this, but its if course a mistake to think humans are rational actors. I agree in your point about pragmatism, I could gladly align myself with liberal conservatives & social democrats because 1) Liberal conservatism's values are in line with what we call human rights, not other types of conservatism like that of religions, The Catholic church of today, the feudal age, renaissance, age of enlightment, The Wahabhist state of Saudi Arabia, the Iranian Shia Theocracy, the extremely Orthodox Jews, Sunni's & Shia extremists of Syria, Iraq, etc. 2) Social democracy is more pragmatically achieved than Democratic socialism (though it is an attractive idea) even those who claim to be, are actually social democrats, look at the Nordic countries, though now their institutions are stretched to their limit (I would advocate it to my homeland, the Philippines).