Hello Erion! I enjoyed your commentary on each of the two books.
@BookZealots29 күн бұрын
thank you Angie! It's so good to see you. I hope you're doing well. 🤗
@AmysdustybookshelfАй бұрын
Unfortunately so many 20th century books on native American/ indigenous history have not aged well. I am glad you were able to get some good information from your reading.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
Hi Amy, I think you're right. It was definitely thought provoking, but it was challenging trying to read in between his hate and understand what it was he was trying to convey. =(
@holt_arr27 күн бұрын
Hi, hello and what a topic. I remember when reading the Lewis and Clark book how they referred to them as the noble savages and even then were still a level above the blacks. I used to drive past the billboard for the location of the Battle of Little Bighorn all the time and can't believe I never visited! Ugh what a shame. Another anecdote! When I was in the Air Force there was a Native American working there whose name evolved over the years from Antelope to Grey-Antelope to White-Antelope which I always thought was pretty neat
@BookZealots27 күн бұрын
HI, hello~ That is really cool about the guy you were in the AF with and how his nama evolved. It's interesting too though, that he kept Antelope throughout. Were the names given to him and by whom? In the Crazy Horse book it was confusing about who was naming him and who his mother even was, because it was referred to something to the affect of what is known as a mom according to such and such tribe. If I remember correctly. So was it his birth mother who named him Curly? I don't know. But his names were not even remotely similar like the guy you knew. The whole situation of the gov dealing with the Native Indians was such a HOT MESS and wasn't dealt with well. and the interpretors were vile two faced snakes. I'm so glad I participate and had two books to read. And even though the first one was hard to read it had me researching a lot. Thank you for commenting and sharing. Maybe one day you can still visit Battle of LIttle Bighorn. I mean, you made it to London.
@EldertalkАй бұрын
I know a little about Native Americans as I live in a town that's dominated by a tribe... I'd say about half this town has some kind of connection to the tribe. But I'm no expert. My experience has been that they are generous and helpful to the non-Indians who settled here, myself included. In my entire experience here I've met only one or two holding a grudge against white people but they're gone now so far as I can tell and most of the people here are friendly. When a lot of us lost our homes in the forest fire the tribe offered travel trailers to us to give us a place to live at no cost, for as long as we needed them. And not just old trailers - no, they were all brand new off the sales lot 30' travel trailers. The tribe gets a lot of grants and they usually share their wealth with the community by hiring people, and also things they have because of grants like the medical and dental clinics are open to us. It might be different in other areas but this is our situation. One of the ladies who comes to my women's Bible study is in the tribe and used to work for them too. She also, for many years, cooked Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners open to anyone and everyone in the community. That has transferred to another woman of Native American descent and I'll be going to the community Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow. Anyhow, interesting this is their history month. I just read the book you recommended, Two Old Women.. an Athabaskan legend... what a great book. The local tribe does not have a reservation but they do own a lot of land and nice buildings in this community and other communities nearby. And they finally got a casino a few years ago.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
Thank you for sharing all of this information Linda. It sounds as though a lot has changed since 1969. It's great that your local tribe shares the gov grant money with the community. I'm happy to hear your local people own their own land too and that iisn't the federal reserv. land. when I learned about the tribs not owning the land I was shocked and then had 🤦♀️ one of these moments, It's "federal" land, of course the gov owns it. grrrrr Thank you again. I hope others enjoy your comment too.
@jimsbooksreadingandstuffАй бұрын
There are photos of Crazy Horse, the Lakota chief online. If you are searching it might be advisable to have safe search on as there is also a risqué Paris night club of the same name.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
LOL I did a search and I didn't receive any risque paris night club information come up. OH my. LOL Thank you for the warning. Do you think it's because of IP address? the photos that come up for Crazy Horse are not verified, so they always have question marks on them or "thought to be" or "historians believe Crazy Horse never had a photo taken" which would make sense based on the biography I read. He didn't boast or brag like other men. Thank you for the recommendation. And the warning! LOL
@LittlebiglibraryАй бұрын
I just thought the Indians owned the resvations. But it makes sense now after reading Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee where the government gave "Gave" the Indians land that were off limits to Whites and then kept moving them all over the country. So this is new to me. Interesting for sure. -James & Bella
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
Yes! That's what I thought. And that's what the author thought as well. I started researching it and was SHOCKED 😲 to learn the federal gov owns the reservation land. Which, now that I think of it, it is called federal land. 🤦♀️ The author was upset they couldn't govern themselves, but I think that has changed per tribe. And I think, if we were to go on the land, we do not have the same rights. Yikes! In one of my new books there's mention of that book you read, Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and it was not positive. I haven't read either book, but it caught my attention, only because you had recently read it. Also, I think the information about the scalping is incorrect. Also, yes, both books were very thought provoking and I consider that a win. =)
@user-iz6cc6lz3j-VickieАй бұрын
I had the crazy horse book but my youngest grandson took it along with other books on Indians. I have several On Custer and one on Quanah Parker, the last chief of the Comanches , whose mother was Cynthia Ann Parker who was kidnapped at 9 years old. It is a very interesting book. Empire of the summer moon.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
Did you already read Crazy Horse? If not, your grandson needs to let you read it. LOL I hadn't heard of Cynthia Ann Parker or Quanah, so I looked them up. Maybe I can read a book on them next year.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
Oh~ I just looked up Empire of the summer moon and the cover looks familiar AND! Shock of all shocks, my library has a copy so I'll be able to check it out. 👍
@user-iz6cc6lz3j-VickieАй бұрын
@ no I didn’t read it but I will. Cynthia was retaken by her family but was miserable being back in the white world. If I remember rightly she committed suicide. He is really an interesting character. He ended up living and acclimating to the white world.
@user-iz6cc6lz3j-VickieАй бұрын
@ that’s awesome. It’s by the same author who wrote rebel yell about stonewall Jackson. I was trying to remember the other books on Indians my grandson took. I know he also took all my books on Custer. But I have no clue which books were on Indians. Do you ever think the crazy horse monument will Ever be finished? I forget how many years it has been in progress. The original guy died and his son is doing the work now but I think he’s getting pretty old. I know there are several books on Cynthia Ann Parker.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
@@user-iz6cc6lz3j-Vickie oh well spoiler alert. I guess I don't need to read the book now. LOL
@CourtneyReadsАй бұрын
I'm an American Indian (Catawba Indian Narion, a small tribe in the Carolinas). While I know some of my heritage, I would like to learn more. But I do think there has to be a separation of knowing customs associated with my heritage and my religious beliefs. I'm not sure this makes much sense. When I was at the Crazy Horse monument they mentioned that there was not a photograph of Crazy Horse, from what I remember, but descriptions. And the memorial is desgined to be more an homage to several leaders rather than an individual.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
Yes, it makes total sense. You can be aware of the culture, but not participate in it, because it conflicts with your Christianity. Is this accurate? And I think it's important for the tribe to know their history and retain their language. Thank you for the information regarding the lack of a photo of Crazy Horse. The online search always had a question mark for photos that had his name attached to it, but historians do not think any exist. I can see that he wouldn't have his photo taken, based on the biography. He wasn't that type of man. He didn't boast or brag like the other men. aka "the Strange Man" among his own people. Thank you for sharing. 🤗 I'm already wondering what to read for next year.
@CourtneyReadsАй бұрын
@BookZealots yes, exactly. I think it's fine to learn dances, songs, pottery (something our tribe is known for), and other related things but not use them for worship. So although there are some songs and dances considered sacred, I wouldn't consider them such. Important culturally, yes. But not sacred in a religious/worship sense.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
@@CourtneyReads The Crazy Horse book came with a little advertisement for Souix pottery and what the symbols stand for. I thought that was interesting. I'm curious now that you've mentioned your tribe is also known for pottery, what other tribes are good at. =)
@LittlebiglibraryАй бұрын
I had no idea it is Native American history month. I would have read something to honor the history of Native Americans.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
I announced it in my tbr video. You just gave yourself away James. LOL Next year maybe we can make a bigger deal about it and have a community read?
@LittlebiglibraryАй бұрын
@@BookZealots Hahaha! Busted! The other day I skipped the ending of a wrap up video by Kevin Towel Reads and I made a quick generic comment. In his reply he mentioned me getting the "comment of the week" . What? I didn't hear that. Hahaha. Busted again! I can't even cheat right -James & Bella
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
@@Littlebiglibrary hahhaha, that's funny. I sometimes get called out too. I am not auditory and I listen to the videos instead of watching while doing other things. And miss something about the book that was mentioned. in the video. Well, if I was paying attention instead of doing two things at once I would have caught it. I understand time is short and precious and not every video is going to be interesting to everyone. Plus, we can be reading. 🤗 Like you, if there's a book I'm not interested in, I skip.
@LittlebiglibraryАй бұрын
@@BookZealots. I do that a lot! I like to listen to the longer videos while I cook my dinner every day
@CandlewickLibraryАй бұрын
So interesting. I thought they owned the reservations as well.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
Isn't it crazy? According to the manifesto book the tribes didn't get to make their own laws. I think that has changed. But if I were to go on the reservations, I do not have the same rights. Yikes. I learned this today. Do you observe Thanksgiving?
@CandlewickLibraryАй бұрын
@ that is so crazy. We do celebrate it. I have an ancestor that was on the Mayflower, so it’s kind of a personal day as well.
@BookZealotsАй бұрын
@@CandlewickLibrary I hope you and your family have a very blessed day. 🤗
@parkerbrown-nesbit174729 күн бұрын
I can definitely understand the disdain (hatred?) of christianity on the part of Vine Deloria. Google Indian Boarding Schools and you'll understand.
@BookZealots29 күн бұрын
thank you so much! I can understand this. My dad hates the catholic denomination because of the schools he went to. The nuns were absolutely vicious per his memory and I think he might have had dyslexia learning issues too, which would have added to the problem. But if the author hated the catholic denomination so much, why go to school to get a degree in it?
@themaggiebowman28 күн бұрын
@@BookZealotslearn about the enemy?
@BookZealots28 күн бұрын
@@themaggiebowman which one? secular or spiritual? 😬 both. 🙏
@BookZealots28 күн бұрын
@@themaggiebowman I just checked out your channel and FB connection. I'm not on FB, but I see you're a fellow Californian. I'm from San Diego, but I lived in HB and worked in Costa Mesa. I also wanted to let you know, I wasn't able to access your dot com website. Not sure if it's down or if it's an error on my side.