9:13 - The insignias for the 12th and 16th Divisions are flipped. I actually went back and re-edited this to fix it last minute but being on no sleep I re-uploaded the wrong file lmao The Wojak in the thumbnail: www.reddit.com/r/WojakTemplate/comments/sb40a3/my_polish_soldier_wojak_in_typical_wz_93_camo/
@El_Ratos Жыл бұрын
nice of you to give credit, thanks
@jakobmax3299 Жыл бұрын
Congratulation fellow NCDers we influenced another mil-youtuber
@pyeitme508 Жыл бұрын
Wo
@Vavinin Жыл бұрын
3:40 GROT has shortbarreled version (10 inches) and this year will drop bullpup version with 16 inch barrel
@goofthunder3763 Жыл бұрын
Any hint on what’s coming next?
@mogusdrip6587 Жыл бұрын
Polish infantryman here. I remember how our platoon leader have once said that he wishes all BMP-1's to be destroyed as soon as possible in case of a war, because infantrymen are safer and more effective on foot than in those thin, obsolete, driving coffins :D We were also told that there is only one grenade launcher in a mechanized platoon, namely the one in the support team, but I think it may vary indeed. There is really a big mess in our organization structure right now.
@tomekk.2620 Жыл бұрын
Wrong. There is no mess there, even soldiers don't know what's hidden. They just use some old equipment in bad condition for training.
@GeluTavi Жыл бұрын
@@tomekk.2620 So how are you supposed to operate all the super advanced weapons in wartime without any prior training? Lol
@quadro1337 Жыл бұрын
@@GeluTavi They have old and new already, u can train on both. I think they can train more often on older equipment due to lower costs, it's not a downside when your troops are training more.
@mogusdrip6587 Жыл бұрын
@@tomekk.2620 Byłeś/jesteś w wojsku?
@MorswinCzcigodny Жыл бұрын
I refuse to believe that someone named "mogus drip" is in military. Imagine if NATO is dragged into the Ukraine conflict directly and the zoomers are posting tik toks of them doing fortnite dances on the corpses of Russian soldiers. We truly live in a society.
@varoth Жыл бұрын
One note for 8:22 : artillery batalion is called in polish "Dywizjon". There is also polish word "Dywizja" which means "Division". So polish "Dywizjon" has nothing to do with english "Division". I know, its comlicated. ;) But there is a reason: Polish military keept traditional names for some specialised military units, so artillery batalion is caled "dywizjon", and company in a unit with cavalery traditions is called "szwadron" (like in Armoured Cavalery inits or Air Cavalery units).
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
Fair enough although etymologically speaking both dywizja and dywizjon come from the French "division"
@varoth Жыл бұрын
@@BattleOrder You are right, both words come from French. I have tried to find some information, why Polish have those two similar words (for two different units), but to no result.
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
@@varoth It's similar in Russian, with дивизион for the artillery battalions and дивизия for the big divisions. Might have its origins for both in the Russian Empire during the late 1800s but I'm not sure
@DonPatrono Жыл бұрын
something similar happens also in Italy, where a "group" in infantry terms is basically one half of a platoon, but in artillery terms a "group" is intended as "battery group" so the equivalent of a batallion
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
@@DonPatrono France as well has used "group" to describe different kinds of battalions at different times
@UlookinMe Жыл бұрын
As former US military who’s worked very close with the Polish military for quite a few years, I’d rate their combat arms troops as very professional and competent, but they are self aware how under equipped they are and it bothers them greatly . Fitness and mindset was top notch. Their engineers are some cooky dudes and absolutely jump at the chance to do ANYTHING, but they are weirdly forgotten in training and war games and their equipment very reflects that. Their support troops are.. lacking. In spirit, fitness and hustle to work. Overall, 7/10. I’d put them below the Lithuanians but on par with Germans and above most of the other former Soviet states.
@norbi1411 Жыл бұрын
so do us suport troops, who can't even drive a truck on a highway without some accident.
@UlookinMe Жыл бұрын
@@norbi1411 I FULLY admit there are some US support troops that suck, but accidents during large movements is going to happen. You’re dealing with things you can’t control, you can only respond to. Weather, civilians, road conditions.
@norbi1411 Жыл бұрын
@@UlookinMe I am not talking about large movements but functioning on daily basis. There's no week without one or two report about us army truck hiitng tree or power line pole. It feels like us army drives doesn't receive any training on how to drive a truck.
@juliuszkocinski7478 Жыл бұрын
Finally engineers getting some recognition. With every info about state of the vehicles and structures - while it's not perfect by any means. Just the fact how much of it is in working condition considering their budget and equipment's age and use means they have one hell of a job and somehow come on top
@UlookinMe Жыл бұрын
@@norbi1411 it’s because they really don’t. Like, at all.
@jannegrey Жыл бұрын
You don't post that often, but when you do it is extremely well done and well researched. Also very informative and educational. And while I know Polish "Battle Order", I'm certain I will still learn something new or remember something I did know but forgot. New Subscriber I guess!
@kamilszadkowski8864 Жыл бұрын
8:17 Now, to make it clear, what Battle Order mentions about the SP Artillery Battalions, they are called "dywizjon" which translates to divizion in English, do not confuse with division(dywizja). The term divizion in Slavic-speaking countries is usually used to describe units in cavalry and artillery that are equivalent in size to the battalion (in the infantry) as well as a group of vessels. In the case of Poland, this term is also used for air force units, equivalent to a squadron.
@varoth Жыл бұрын
But at the same time "szwadron" is company sized unit with cavalery traditions (armoured and air cavalery). Why are we comlicating things? :)
@Gilannun12 Жыл бұрын
@@varoth also in our modern 25th air cav brigade infantry company is called squadron.
@kamilszadkowski8864 Жыл бұрын
@@varoth Because "A niechaj narodowie wżdy postronni znają, iż polacy nie gęsi, iż swój język mają"
@Tech-Kaplan-Kali Жыл бұрын
@@kamilszadkowski8864 It gets far worse when it gets to the historical terminology of the polish air force. In the west, it was decided for the group of 12-16 planes to be called 'squadron' or 'Escadron' in french.The polish equivalent of 'squadro'n is 'szwadron'. Accept it saw only limited use, and the air force of the 2nd Rzeczypospolita (2nd republic- interwar poland) standardised on the our dear old friend 'dywizjon'. And just to be more confusing, the word 'eskadra' (ANOTHER polonised version of squadron) was used for subunits equivalent to half of the 'dywizjon' strenght. On top of all that, after WWII, the air force of communist poland was structured after the Soviet ones. And soviets- in an affront to all that is holy, called their squadrons 'regiments' ('pułk' in polish). And in modern poland units where restructured after NATO example, and renamed 'eskadra'.
@michaelwest4325 Жыл бұрын
Often overlooked and too often underappreciated, Poland is now the pointy tip of the spear. Great work illuminating their forces.
Adding the personnel counts under the units is super helpful for those of us still trying to get unit sizes straight! Appreciate the extra context!
@jannegrey Жыл бұрын
OK. For clarification for those a bit confused. While "Dywizjon" sounds like "Division", it isn't the same as "Dywizja" that would be translated to "Division" in English. It's more like Battalion and/or regiment - depending on which part of armed forces we're talking about and in which period. Famously during Battle of Britain there was "303 Squadron" - in Polish "Dywizjon 303". Think of it as more mathematical word, than military - it's something that is just a "division" of larger unit, or more in English, just like some (sub)units are called "detachment", despite not being detachable in doctrine. Yes, I'm confused as well, it's military it doesn't have to make sense in a normal way ;) But I do remember that when Poles were deciphering Russian codes in Polish-Bolshevik War, they were looking for word "Diwizija" (Division in normal sense - big unit), since it had 3 "i" letters making it more susceptible to certain types of cryptographic attacks.
@2MinuteHockey Жыл бұрын
beautiful lesson and let's not forget that Lenin of the Bolsheviks was unleashed upon the world by Germany and Switzerland.
@jannegrey Жыл бұрын
@@2MinuteHockey Yes, though the idea of "World Revolution" was mostly championed by Trotsky during Polish-Bolshevik War. That came from books that Lenin "wrote" - which is funny story in of itself.
@ghut487 Жыл бұрын
"303 Squadron" - in Polish "Dywizjon 303" - it was a squadron - in Polish "eskadra" but for some reason ( may be for the propaganda or hoping for upgrade) it was called a level up unit.
@2MinuteHockey Жыл бұрын
@@jannegrey very interring, please share what you know of Lenin's "writings"
@TheRobson75 Жыл бұрын
@@2MinuteHockey to jest caly zbior, 24 tomy "Dziel Lenina". generalnie stek bzdur ale mozna zrozumiec mental tego zwyrodnialca
@pigeonman6434 Жыл бұрын
The mix of eastern,western and westernized equipment has always been my favourite aesthetic
@bruderschweigen6889 Жыл бұрын
That makes things difficult but I guess it's cool
@genericbit677 Жыл бұрын
@Dick Izzinya Now, wheres my bearskin cap...
@thiccchungo1041 Жыл бұрын
That’s probably why i love Polish MiG-29s, Ukrainian Su-27s, and Romanian MiG-21s, they look so cool and are actually good at their jobs
@rightside1911 Жыл бұрын
@@bruderschweigen6889 yes it does but no equipment is even worse.
@crazyyy8436 Жыл бұрын
@@thiccchungo1041 i think Poland don't have any migs any more ;) all of them were probably partioned and send to ukraine
@an0nym0usguy49 Жыл бұрын
I would love a similar video about the territorial defense forces. They're a really interesting formation and not many people know about them.
@luminaaeterna1259 Жыл бұрын
Same I've been wanting to learn about them after the Kyiv TDF managed to help hold the city out in the first says of the war
@norbi1411 Жыл бұрын
@@luminaaeterna1259 they didn't
@nobodyherepal3292 Жыл бұрын
@@norbi1411 Kyiv didn’t fall last I checked.
@norbi1411 Жыл бұрын
@@nobodyherepal3292 not thanks tdf which at that point in very early stage of being formed
@brandondavis7777 Жыл бұрын
@@norbi1411 the TDF of Kyiv was formed before the war, and was made up of mostly veterans of the Donbas conflicts, which is why they were so successful. Source: A few buddies from Kyiv.
@gdziewojsko Жыл бұрын
In Rosomak battalion recon is 3x Rosomak, not BRDM-2.
@Borolek Жыл бұрын
Trust this guy, he knows his shit
@wielkizuczek2081 Жыл бұрын
Nie spodziewałam się ciebie tutaj
@kgggvc4240 Жыл бұрын
Pozdrawiam i czekamy na Pana następny film. 🤚👍
@mareksicinski449 Жыл бұрын
i guess depends on the unit maybe?@@Borolek
@vaultsuit Жыл бұрын
@@wielkizuczek2081lol
@edsutherland8266 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant and detailed explanation of the Polish Army structure! I really like how well researched the videos are, and especially the fact that you freely admit when you’re not sure. The true mark of good quality research is the admission that you can’t always get all the information you’d like.
@rockymoose1235 Жыл бұрын
this channel is my favorite
@scaredchalk Жыл бұрын
Same
@C0NVAIR Жыл бұрын
Damn, I'm a Pole and tbh this was most condensed video about our mechanized forces I have seen in a while. Great job!
@stoneHeHenge Жыл бұрын
8:12 Each brigade will also receive a dedicated MLRS battalion in the future. 11:14 Art regiment in PL structures only has 3 battalions (2 SPG, 1 MLRS) - additional 4th battalion will come as a part of becoming an art brigade.
@mareksicinski449 Жыл бұрын
What about the claims abt Ottokar-Brzoza regiments and so on?
@jcorbo7518 Жыл бұрын
Loved the graphics showing the vehicles and personnel by squad then having them lined up in the platoon and laid out for the company! Oh and the gun firing while describing the vehicle.
@Groncik05 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's really good way to show things he describes. Professional job, love to see it and waiting for more.
@rick7424 Жыл бұрын
Another masterpiece from my favorite military channel!
@bertm8621 Жыл бұрын
A lot of West- European armies are much less equipped at the moment. The Poles are not so naieve considering the current unstabile situation in Europe. When Poland's M1a2v3's and K2PL's are delivered, Poland has the strongest tank army in Europe.
@czaja995 Жыл бұрын
To be precise second strongest in Europe, first would be US, it is the same funny thing with question: who has the strongest air force in the world, first US air force, second US navy
@rafamanko4142 Жыл бұрын
@@czaja995 US have more than 1000 tanks in Europe? And what about Greece?
@kosa9662 Жыл бұрын
18th division alone will have more tanks (Abrams) than whole Germany
@hussar4291 Жыл бұрын
@@rafamanko4142 Greece only has around 350 modern tanks, the other near thousand are obsolete
@sajuente82352 ай бұрын
@@hussar4291 tell it to russians gaining ground since 2 years in obsolete tanks
@juliuszkocinski7478 Жыл бұрын
As always this is so packed with info. I feel there's no second wasted in the video
@mareksicinski449 Жыл бұрын
somehwat
@domin4823 Жыл бұрын
M-72 is not for RPG-7 but RGP-76 Komar. To replace RPG-7 we have Pirat/Moskit program (pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirat_(pocisk)). There is also a MSBS sub-carbine, it's tests were finished successfully like a 2 months ago.
@supreme3376 Жыл бұрын
Komar does not exist
@michaelbriggs5503 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video quality, the effort going into this is evident.
@travisashmore6620 Жыл бұрын
Another outstanding video! Always informative, with the cherry on top being the choice of music. I couldn't think of a better track to go along with these unit breakdowns.
@ikhwannews2488 Жыл бұрын
Name of the music?
@travisashmore6620 Жыл бұрын
@@ikhwannews2488 "Crime Scene Investigation" from the WARNO soundtrack. Here's the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3Oxc4ekmdGpa6s
@SA-xf1eb Жыл бұрын
I find Poland to be interesting. How about the Polish Helicopters and their Air Force? Keep up the good work.
@Paveway-chan Жыл бұрын
This channel is more about mechanised forces for the most part, I can't recall them having done any coverage of air forces at all
@RodefasPlay Жыл бұрын
the helicopters are in dedicated units that are not part of the division
@leigi5648 Жыл бұрын
It is actually pleasant to hear that someone finds Poland interesting. But the airforce isn't the biggest and the strongest one, so there isn't actually much to cover, but everything that is the most interesting, like equipment is covered in Wikipedia pretty well from what i know
@da9mi5an61 Жыл бұрын
Poland buying 96 AH 64 Apache (Guardian)
@ladrok97 Жыл бұрын
For now air force and helicopters are a mess
@alexanderkolodziej4808 Жыл бұрын
2:40 most mechanized units are already equiped with GROT M2. So are all Territorial Defence brigades. The wz.96 Beryl rifle is still common but I would say 50% of all units already use the GROT. By the end of 2023 it will be probably 60%. Also UKM2000 is popular but we still use PKM. Great video!
@rightside1911 Жыл бұрын
i saw that Poland sent some of their grot rifles to Ukraine i guess for test and evaluation under real combat conditions. this is the real rest of a weapon training conditions will never fire enough rounds or drag through enough mud to really test it officers like their troops and equipment shiny and bright for inspection.
@cepek88 Жыл бұрын
@@rightside1911 20k carabines were sended
@lucaskowalski7947 Жыл бұрын
@@rightside1911 And as UKR soldiers says... Grot is perfect weapon. One of the best they recived. After years of testing Grot became reliable. Multifunctional. And... easy to use.
@sebastianbosek5222 Жыл бұрын
Fabryka Broni to set up grot production in the us when
@muddyhotdog4103 Жыл бұрын
@@lucaskowalski7947 really hoping Radom starts exporting semi-auto variants to USA for civilian sales..They did a good job with it and would love to have one
@IdleDrifter Жыл бұрын
Poland is slowly transitioning from its post Cold War equipment is interesting. Also they have stacked their armor formations in a way to minimize logistical problems. For example. Leopard tanks are closer to Germany. With the Korean and US tanks in the North and South. With mixed units in the center. It's not perfect but with the gradual replacement within budget makes sense.
@rafamanko4142 Жыл бұрын
Leopards are serviced and modernised in Poland. In Poznań if i recall corectly.
@TheRobson75 Жыл бұрын
@@rafamanko4142 a ja slyszalem kilka miesiecy temu, ze Bumar jest wylaczony z gry na 2 lata bo wlasnie modernizuje NIEMIECKIE Leopardy a Cegielski w Poznaniu od 5 lat przygotowuje sie do produkcji K2....
@colerend4431 Жыл бұрын
@@TheRobson75 Zgadza się. Ale WZM w Poznaniu też zajmuje się Leopardami. Bumar w większości zajmuje się Leopardami 2PL, T-72M1R i serwisem pojazdów od nich
@TheRobson75 Жыл бұрын
@@colerend4431 ale Bumar podobno modernizuje wozy z Niemiec - nie polskie! zreszta z K2 tez palcem po wodzie pisane, sa glosy o potrzebie budowy fabryki od nowa- ponoc istniejace nie nadaja sie do modernizacji....a budowa to cale lata a czolgi na jutro potrzebne ... i zeby nie bylo tak, ze koreance wyprodukuja wszystkie w chu... wersji!!!! przedstawili naszemu MON-owi projekt nowego K2PL - super swoja droga i nagle zaczelo sie krecenie nosem...zobaczymy
@colerend4431 Жыл бұрын
@@TheRobson75 Cegielskiego przebudowują pod K2. A Bumar to Bumar. Nie wiem czy im Niemcy dali Leopardy do roboty
@jevgenijsiniov6868 Жыл бұрын
08:16 I think it is actually called „divizion” (battalion size artillery unit), which is different from „divizya” (actual division)
@conradsz Жыл бұрын
You are correct
@khahinmetameta7826 Жыл бұрын
After suffering under the Germans and Soviets, nothing is left to chance.
@canuckguns Жыл бұрын
Naród polski przeszedł w historii wiele trudności. Bardzo ich podziwiam za odwagę i męstwo. Miłość z Kanady.
@lembitmoislane. Жыл бұрын
It’s interesting seeing Polish adopt the more positive military elements from the Cold War. Their units by having both lots of Brigade and Division level artillery have a lot firepower than your average brigade or Division* Their units also remind me of early 20th century and cold era units, with the division being large units rather than smaller ones. Those Divisions by other countries standards are more like Demi Corps than Divisions. Also another useful holdover from the cold war is maintaining (as new policy) units of fours for combat, and keeping Tank units in nearly every brigade sized unit. * In comparison the Americans are getting rid of Artillery on the Brigade level, making it a divisional asset, and here in Estonia, with the new Estonian-British NATO division, there is only artillery on the brigade level.
@player400_official Жыл бұрын
From what I know Polish Army has the largest artillery firepower among European NATO countries. And it's all connected to Topaz software by WB Group, wchich is essentially Uber but for artillery.
@mareksicinski449 Жыл бұрын
why are those positive compared to others?
@mareksicinski449 Жыл бұрын
uber is kind of a weird comparison but it is a battle management system connecting the FCSes to the fonet comms network, maps, and so on@@player400_official
@ipman7375 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks from PL!
@juliusEST Жыл бұрын
Your videos are always so enjoyable to watch! I especially enjoyed the nr. of men mentioned. Also dont go too overboard with the graphics (like the cannon animations) - they are very nice but if they take a lot of time I'd rather not have them use up your time. Then again do whatever lol, I'm not your mom. Cheers from Estonia!
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
To be honest making the cannons shoot took the least amount of time of any of it lol
@Agonis100 Жыл бұрын
Awesome presentation style! The information is clearly visualized. Thank you!
@JOSWAY787 Жыл бұрын
In the Netherlands I saw that Polish troops are still very respected. Many people don’t know the Polish paratroopers participated and gave huge sacrifices in Operation Market Garden. The Polish 1st independent paratroopers brigade, under command of General Sosabowski were dropped near Arnhem to relieve and reinforce the British paratroopers. The British suffered heavy losses, they were surrounded at Oosterbeek and losing ground in Arnhem. However, the Polish brigade were dropped too late and Germans already reinforced the whole drop zone. The Germans nearly massacred half of the brigade, it was a true turkey shoot. Despite all of this, General Sosabowski survived and led his remaining men to dig in south of the rhine near driel. At night 2 British officers swam the rhine to ask general sosabowski for reinforcements the next morning. But even tho the General knew they would face heavy German resistance, he decided to cross his men that same night. With small rubber boats they started crossing the river while the germans were shooting at them from elevated positions. Boat after boat would sink and No matter how much losses they suffered, they kept going until the last rubber boat sank. It was a failed attempt. A couple days later the British 30th corps tried the rhine crossing again yet failed again. This was the moment of realization for the Allies… The Operation was a failure and they retreated. General Sosabowski earned the dutch version of the Medal of Honor (the Willems order) for his selfless heroism. Fun fact: General Sosabowski despised Monty’s cockiness and the 2 often had heated discussions, where sosa would warn Monty that the paratroopers would be dropped too far from their targets and it would take away the “surprise effect”. Ofcourse stubborn Monty thought General Sosabowski was a “dumb pole” and didn’t listen to a word he had to say. It turns out Sosabowski was absolutely right. I wonder how it would have been successful if General Sosabowski led the operation…
@jacekjacek4351 Жыл бұрын
Wiemy że pamiętacie, szacunek dla was za to
@anonanon46318 ай бұрын
And now the unpleasant fact: General Sosabowski after the 2nd World War did not return to communist Poland which was sold by Western Allies for Stalin. General Sosabowski was thanked for the fight for the Allies and finished in the UK at the dishwasher in the restaurant. He died in the UK. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5eXpqdumqx2m5Y&ab_channel=MarkFeltonProductions
@RaykeOne Жыл бұрын
Man, I thought that your editing looked great already but by now it's absolutely top tier
@captainjacobkeyes7804 Жыл бұрын
Would you consider doing a video on the Danish Forces? I hear they have a dismounted infantry section that carries a .50 browning M2 on their back. I'm honestly very interested to know more about the thought process behind it.
@Warszawski_Modernizm Жыл бұрын
Dziękujemy za ten materiał! Pozdrowienia z Warszawy. Bóg, Honor i Ojczyzna!
@spy_pl Жыл бұрын
POLSKA GUROM
@Warszawski_Modernizm Жыл бұрын
@@spy_pl Gurom i Dałnem ;)
@mariostepien4526 Жыл бұрын
Bóg honor ojczyzna
@alexx_9955 Жыл бұрын
Buk, horror, włoszczyzna.
@Warszawski_Modernizm Жыл бұрын
@@alexx_9955 Buch, ojcowizna, honorarium
@antoniplebanski11192 ай бұрын
Great material, thanks for it. Greetings form PL!
@DianaKazimiera-11 ай бұрын
🇵🇱 is developing militarily and constantly improving its capabilities and human potential.Human potential and the best equipment that create versatility of action and defense...(Interesting presentation) Great respect from 🇵🇱🕊️🤝 #International cooperation for protect military history, culture, tradition and education #International Business Secret Service
@archiegeorge3969 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Huge expansion I. Combat power for Poland
@J4CKAL05 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video as always, I particularly approve of the choice of the 'Crime Scene Investigation' track used in WARNO!
@chiken6559 Жыл бұрын
"Artillery Division" in eastern countries means more something like "Artillery Detachment". Division in the more usual sense would sound something like "Divizia" (not any language in particular), while "Divizion" means something closer to "Detachment"
@TheEricVader Жыл бұрын
Wow, you put a lot of work into those videos. Respect!
@evoluxman9935 Жыл бұрын
So Poland is gonna go from about 36 armored/mech/mot batallions to 96, assuming they go with the full 6 div/4 brig/4 bat format That's a massive increase in size
@norbi1411 Жыл бұрын
Well you gotta win third term in the office somehow.
@cepek88 Жыл бұрын
Difficult to complete with our demographic problem.
@RodefasPlay Жыл бұрын
one of the new divisions will probably be an airmobile division, containing existing units
@10hawell Жыл бұрын
To get enough soliders they would have to start 20 years in advance with government sanctioned "married at first sight". And even with this no one wants to have big family with current housing market. Days of single income 3+ children families are gone. 140k non-white migrants a year that's their newest solution it seems.
@player400_official Жыл бұрын
So basically artillery on the battalion level. Battalion has 12 close combat platoons and 8 self propelled guns. Then on the brigade level you have 3 battalions and 24 more barrels. So that’s already 16 SPG’s for 12 platoons. And then you have division level artillery. If you count MLRS too I think it will be almost 2 units in the back for every platoon on the front lines. And if you look up the numbers, poland has roughly 800 self propelled guns/MLRS for 400-something mech/tank platoons. And all of that, as well as drones, loitering munitions and recon is plugged into the Topaz CMS software developed by WB Group. It’s basically Uber but artillery. So if they wanted too, they sould literally assign 2 artillery units for every platoon out there. So every single platoon would have a Topaz terminal and the platoon leader could summon an MLRS and/or gun salvo with one click and get it immediately. Now that would be ineffective use of artillery, so they probably won’t do that. But it’s theroetically possible. Now that’s what I call firepower.
@karma-0628 Жыл бұрын
한국에서 3차인도분 까지 선적되었다는 소식이 있습니다. 미친듯이 생산하고 있는 대한민국(새해연휴에도 특근했다는 뉴스 기사가 있었습니다) K2, K9, 천무 다연장 1개중대 분량이 분실(?)되고... 그것들이 어떤 활약을 하는지 폴란드 친구들과 구경하고싶다.
@karolekcep9083 Жыл бұрын
3:20 oh man, hearing the 7th Coastal defense brigade made me really happy, my dad serves there and so will I
@gawkthimm6030 Жыл бұрын
@BattleOrder I would really like if you ended you vids with a bit of an analysis, in this one maybe of how their deployment would differ from other armored infantry. Otherwise I really appreciate your attention to details and overall quality of production
@georgiabowhunter Жыл бұрын
Battle Order is the best unit level military channel on KZbin.
@brunom9113 Жыл бұрын
Hey man, have you considered making those same kind of videos, but for Air Force and Navy units? I don't know if this is a land warfare focused channel, but I'd love to see the same approach to the other branches. Keep up the good work.
@Paddman Жыл бұрын
god i love this new style of visualisation. thank you
@matthewconnors8503 Жыл бұрын
Do more videos like this on the structure of other Countries infantry and armor forces. That's what people what to see
@davookr1830 Жыл бұрын
Another correction - older variant of the UKM-2000p is also equipped with picatinny rail for mounting optics.
@saucycardinal3322 Жыл бұрын
Your videos just get better and better with every upload, love your content!
@mariostepien4526 Жыл бұрын
Niech żyje Rzeczpospolita Polska !
@maksymilianszulc4872 Жыл бұрын
Video well made, but there are some mistakes/simplifications Generally speaking whether the western 12th Mechanized (actually Motorized), 11th Armored and 16th Mechanized will have 4 brigades each 4 batalions is still debatable, for now we can say 18th Mechanized is gonna have 3 brigades each 4 batalions and maybe 4th brigade one day, and this new Legions Infantry (probably Mechanized, but we don't know) may have the same. The rest is probably too demanding demographically. 18th Mechanized is quite different than the rest, they are meant to be "American style". It's a heavy division that is either ready to take a hard hit or make a powerful manouver around Brześć. That's why there are M1A2s and they are meant to have a different, heavier IFV, probably AS-21 with polish turret. 18th mechanized is gonna have it's own squadron of 12 AH-64, where the rest will be supported by the centrally-commanded AH-64 squadrons. 16th mechanized will have the 180 Korean-made K2 tanks, but in 2025 we start the production of improved K2PLs and together with the Borsuk IFV they will set the standard for most of the country. It's true thatmost of the brigade-level SPGs are stil 2S1s, but eventually they will all be replaced by AHS Krab/K9A1/K9PL. Also, in Poland there is a debate and basically a fight about AHS Kryl, a wheeled SPG capable to fit in C-130 Hercules, it has been ready for years but people are making problems, it was meant to be in wheeled brigades but I don't think it will be introduced judging by the number of Tracked SPGs that we bought. And thats a pity, cause I think it would be better to have it wheeled on the Division level to acompany MLRS, which are WR-40 Langustas (40 km) switching now to HIMARS and K249 (range potential up to 500 km). Divisions are also gonna have tank destroyer regiments with Brimstone on armored cars (I think its better to put them on IFV/APC undercarriage and put in the battalions next to the armored mortars (there will be a tracked version of them too)). And a big number of new units with suicide and recon drones etc will be created. And tactical-scale MALE drones will be in divisions too. Some technicalities Leopard 2A5 and 2PL will be eventually changed into K2PLs, or given to Ukraine long before that hahah. Grom is being upgraded to Piorun and Piorun on the vehicles will be upgraded to Piorun-2/Grzmot, range 11km. There is the poprad system, and something similar is being constructed on the ifv/apc undercarriage, so Piorun-2s with 35mm guns on armored vehicles will be probably put within the brigades or batalions as mobile protection, and ofc simple VSHORAD with new 35mm guns on trucks and Poprad systems will be in normal brigade-level anti-air defence. Divisions will have CAMM-ER of 45km range (I think we need either put there also CAMM-MR 80-100km launchers or put a normal 20km CAMM to brigades, division CAMM-ER is at least 35km behind the frontline, probably more, it doesnt protect soldiers on the frontline). So you will probably have (COY)Piorun MANPADS < (BAT)Piorun-2/Grzmot + 35mm gun armored mobile protection VSHORAD < (BRIG)Piorun-2/Grzmot Poprad systems and separate 35mm on trucks systems
@robertcarver4067 Жыл бұрын
Great information. Thank you!
@seekwhen1848 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile on K2 tank for poland: Aside from vanilla 180 tanks directly imported from Korea, polish produced K2PL could either be a 6 or 7 wheeler. What's known for now, is that Poland is asking for a sub-60 ton vehicle, possibly with protection level to withstand cannon hit from Russian Armata at its engagement range. The requirement can be very hard to meet with 60ton(6 wheeler) restriction though, when taking into account that side armor reinforcement was also requested. If weight cap could be lifted, 7 wheeler might be more likely to satisfy Poland's armor requrements
@Robert-ze1vw Жыл бұрын
The Koreans recently modified the chassis. Among other things, they moved and added additional fastening screws. It allows you to raise the weight limit to over 60t. When using 6 pairs of wheels.
@mastermati773 Жыл бұрын
Quality work. Thanks for video.
@mareksicinski449 Жыл бұрын
Also another thing to mention is that the Abrams tanks at least are supposed to be paired with a new heavy IFV on a Krab/K9 chassis while the K2s would be paired with Borsuks (also at some point in the future the Rosomak is supposed to be replaced)
@davidodonovan1699 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information man. Very cool.
@schnelma605 Жыл бұрын
5:25 I like the graphic representation
@JAGzilla-ur3lh Жыл бұрын
It's interesting that Poland operates so many different types of MBTs. Abrams, K2PL, Leopard 2, etc. Gives them some flexibility and keeps potential enemies guessing, I suppose.
@ottermanuk Жыл бұрын
Was gonna say the same thing, having 4 MBT families (not even 4 types within those families) surely is a bitch on logistics
@norbi1411 Жыл бұрын
Nope. Its logistical nightmare.
@vadimbobov4051 Жыл бұрын
@@ottermanuk by the time the poles recieve the K2 and abrams and mass numbers the pt91 and t-72m1/m1R will have all been donated to ukraine and the leopards will be slowly coming out of service again to give to ukraine, at least this is the polish government plan so more like 2 MBTs
@kazuhirr3433 Жыл бұрын
@@ottermanuk T-72s and PT-91 are already or will be shipped to Ukraine anyway. So for now we only use Leopard's and have only 10 K2's that are currently used for testing and training. IDK when will the first M1A2 arrive
@rupert2019 Жыл бұрын
As far as I know, as a Pole, the Leopards were supposed to go to warehouses or to Ukraine. K2 (ultimately K2PL) is to be stationed in North-Eastern Poland, where the terrain is more swampy and there are more lakes. The Abrams(havier) are supposed to be near the capital and probably somewhere else.
@Beneficiis17 күн бұрын
Well since that time... there were some updates. Namely - in place of RPG-7 squads will receive Carl Gustaf A4, with 6000 launchers ordered in initial purchase. Single use LAW's will probably mostly arm territorial guard and some selected units. Dropping CG to squad level as basic anti tank system is quite a significant increase in both firepower and reach since with decent optics these can reach out to 1000 meters depending on ammunition used and some warheads are effective against heavier armor too - not to mention utility of HE fired from CG over RPG-7.
@Charlieband Жыл бұрын
malutka is just a small. Borsuk is badger. Mors is walrus. Rosomak is Wolverine, Grom is thunder. Biała is white - here with a polish female ending. Twardy is hard, tough, firm. KRAB - crab. OSA is wasp. KUBA is the name Jacob. (KUBA - JAKUB is the same name) I don't know where the name comes from. CUBA the State. Formerly also a cube, literally "KUB".
@mareksicinski449 Жыл бұрын
No, 'Kub' is Russian for 'cube' and tha is where it comes from, it is a Soviet system which didn't recieve a special Polish name or designation. (mors also means death in latin, and was the name of a Polish interwar SMG design)
@m1g_swapper Жыл бұрын
You are doing a great job organizing open-source information, it would be much harder to figure out how the things are just surfing internet
@carlengeler3478 Жыл бұрын
Update: Orders for the new Borsuk vehicle are out by the polish mod. Plans have also announced for an even heavier, amphibious ifv based on the krab (k9) chassis.
@ColonelStanley Жыл бұрын
Where are Piorun, Spike and a few other weapons used by polish armored infantry? Kind regards - S.
@larsmurdochkalsta8808 Жыл бұрын
I was just watching an episode last night. Like damn I could really use another armored infantry structure breakdown right about now 😩
@oneautumnleaf9293 Жыл бұрын
Overall very nice video, but I am concerned about that 5 man fire teams. I heard our teams are 6 dismounts + 3 man crew (one is squad leader/vehicle commander, also dismounts, so 7 dismounts overall), BWP Borsuk is made that way, 3 man crew + 6 fire team, also what I heard Rosomak teams looks the same, in theory it is 3 crew + 8, but in reality its 3 + 6, because of limited space inside (the way 2 of the 8 seats are placed) and to maintain similar structures between mechanized and motorized formations. Though I must admit I haven't done any deep research. As a curiosity, I add the M120 / SMK120 (Samobieżny Moździerz Kołowy 120mm = Selfpropelled Wheeled Mortar 120mm) on Rosomak chassis, but there is also SMG120 (Samobieżny Moździerz Gąsienicowy 120mm = Selfpropelled Tracked Mortar 120mm) coming to the mechanized units in the future, as of now we have 2 options for chassis, Borsuk family chassis (more expensive variant) or more probable NLPG (Nowe Lekkie Podwozie Gąsienicowe = New Light Tracked Chassis), because it is cheaper and less complicated, although is shares some components with Borsuk.
@bori3325 Жыл бұрын
Good work mate, greetings from Poland, sub and cheers and love
@hermaeusmora4874 Жыл бұрын
Next up, Finnish Mechanized units from Squad to Brigade
@michab1169 Жыл бұрын
Great work :) at 9:27 You swapped emblems of 12th with 16th div.
@davookr1830 Жыл бұрын
Rifleman with grenade launcher is usualy using GSBO variant is much more common variant and less cumberson to the user. Also units that switch to use MSBS - they still use short beryls for crew members.
@just5559 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a few episodes of the Baltics? I think a underdeveloped army structure might be quite the interesting video. There obv have been new purchases and reforms, but i still wonder how they structure their units.
@lembitmoislane. Жыл бұрын
Well he would have to do Three videos for the three different Armies. Also due to our small populations and in turn small armies, the highest you can get with the standardized units is the battalion level. Maybe in a few years the brigade level for us Estonians as we are modeling the Second Brigade (Now being in the process of mechanization) after the First Brigade.
@invisiblehandofadamsmith Жыл бұрын
my gandfather worked with poles in ,, krakow'' squadron. he always like them a lot and even met with them in poland after 2 ww
@realSarge Жыл бұрын
I like the additional of personell numbers
@PablotronixPL Жыл бұрын
I think that MSBS GROT for BMP crew gonna be replaced with the bullpup version when they start to mass produce it.
@norbi1411 Жыл бұрын
Only a few of maneuver brigades have engineer battalion. Most of them have only a company.
@lembitmoislane. Жыл бұрын
Time you Finns bring back the Division and Corp to your army.
@imperialdacha2939 Жыл бұрын
Great example, BO) Can you please tell the name of the background music?
@Sparkvark142 Жыл бұрын
I squee when I see a new battle order video
@eamon3040 Жыл бұрын
hey man, good vid 👌 I’m definitely keen to learn more about PLAGF orbat and ongoing U.S. Army restructuring. Thanks mate, keep it up 👍
@martinderengowski9 ай бұрын
Great video. I'd love to see a video showing the latest updates and future plans for the Polish Army as a whole. Lots of developments therefore lots of content to produce. I think your research is very detailed, an explanation is very thorough. Perhaps you could dramatization to draw in more viewers. For example highlighting how awesome and deadly a certain tank and how I could absolutely crush an is or how insufficient a BMP is and how it would get steamrolled in action.
@martinderengowski9 ай бұрын
Sorry voice to text fails me sometimes 😂
@pawciomapiszonek8336 Жыл бұрын
At 9:41 you've missed badges of 12th and 16th Mechanized Divisions :)
@jakuboboza1713 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Thanks.
@Precipitation02 Жыл бұрын
Extensive coverage! I would like to see a video on South Korean Mechanized/armored units in the future since K2s and K9s have been successful in the region!
@mareksicinski449 Жыл бұрын
0:30 combination western and local considerations- such as the priority of amphibious capability, resulting in the atypical floater design of the Borsuk to increase buoyancy to weight
@cheetosjumboenjoyer6833 Жыл бұрын
I love how the “Lighter brigades” have IFVs 2 generations ahead and longer ranged artillery
@randomnobodovsky3692 Жыл бұрын
It's not be design, it's just gear replacement schedule happened to coincide with rearranging/reforming some units. Also, keep in mind: some of this is currently somewhat on paper, undergoing multi-year replacement process.
@Poopenheiner Жыл бұрын
I was actually just wondering about this wild that it popped up on my feed
@GCA713 Жыл бұрын
great video, keep it up!
@shoeby9273 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact. A Pole built the first fortifications at West Point. Dziękuję!
@nuhomusic9343 Жыл бұрын
You need more subs fr fr
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
No cap
@nikyfgh Жыл бұрын
Good timing to refresh my YT page haha
@dubIinaviation Жыл бұрын
dla Polski! Chwała Naszej Ojczyźnie
@evilwelshman Жыл бұрын
4:46 So, just to clarify.... the platoon leader and RTO are said to sit in first squad's vehicle and that the platoon leader dismounts with the squad. So, does this mean that the platoon leader and RTO occupy spaces normally meant for other soldiers, with first squad being two men down, or does it instead mean that there are two unused seats in the other vehicles?
@norbi1411 Жыл бұрын
No
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
They generally don’t max out the seating space
@evilwelshman Жыл бұрын
@@BattleOrder I see. Thanks!
@Savik_Iron Жыл бұрын
ADbn in mechanized brigade is equipped allso in ZU-23-2 mounted on truck called Hibneryt, MANPAD GROM, and Poprad VSHORAD. ADbn have 3 AD Coy, every have one ZU 23-2 Platon, one MANPAD GROM Platon and one Poprad VSHORAD. There also logistic Coy and Comad Coy.
@acerock013 Жыл бұрын
Poland's new deal with Hanwha Heavy Industries is going to absolutely revolutionize Poland's armored units and remove its dependence on the German military industrial complex.
@jansobieski8414 Жыл бұрын
The L with line across is pronounced like a 'W' while the 'W' Is pronounced like a 'V'.