Natural vs. Traditional Medicine: Which is the Ultimate Healer?

[@NTway]

Natural remedies are traditional medicines. Modern medicines of which you call traditional, came into existence via John D. Rockerfella. Prescription medications are the 3rd leading cause to death, they are constantly recalled, constantly reactive with each other, and usually lead to other problems. It’s time we ask ourselves how cancers and autoimmune diseases saw an influx after the creation of patented medicines. Another question, why should you consult a doctor? It is not their jobs to study medicine, in fact, many of them don’t know the side effects of their own medicine. A pharmacists knows medicine, a doctor learns disease through study.

[@Speakerlynette]

Best answer to this I've heard!!

[@alpheendomination]

Firstly, the whole figure about being the 3rd leading cause of death is absolute bs. Secondly, an increase in cancer and autoimmune disorders is not attributed to medicine. For cancer, that can be explained through many factors, such as people's diet generally becoming worse, in addition to an increase in carcinogenic fumes from pollution, combined with a greater life expectancy meaning more people are developing cancer due to being about longer, which is also relevant to a greater screening and detection for cancer. Autoimmune diseases can also be linked to more awareness and diagnostic tools, but also other factors such as parents not exposing their children to common allergens in fear of them developing said allergies. Thirdly, the reason why you should consult a doctor is because they have studied for a decade of their life and know far more than you ever could on biology and the human body. And they do know the side effects of medicine, because just in case you haven't realised, it is doctors who write prescriptions. If you actually did research, you would know that life expectancy before medicine was about 30 years. Acting like medicine is harmful is just willful ignorance.

[@NTway]

@@alpheendomination ​​⁠i never said it caused it, but I will. It it proven, and you can do your own research, that medicines like beta blockers, high blood pressure medicines, medicines geared towards diabetes, asthma have links to many cancers. There’s was a chemotherapy drug used for patients with MS popular in the 70’s-90’s that was linked to causing leukemia. Birth control medications stemming from the 90’s linked to metastatic breast cancer. Most recently, MIRENA IUD’s linked to over 75,000 cases of breast cancer, 4000+ specifically in California. A class action filed against Baylor in 2017 that settled in 2018. Merke and Co.‘s diabetes medications Januvia and Janumet, had a cancer causing defect. Put into perspective that studies across the board show higher cancer risk when insulin, pioglitazone, and insulin secretagogues. Higher cancer risk in those who use inhaled steroid medications. And the list goes on. Most patients are prescribed medications BY THEIR DOCTORS, so to think that doctors should have NO CLUE of study of the medications they give is ludicrous. Furthermore, it really doesn’t have to be an argument. Read the risk and side affects of most allopathic medications. Then follow that with tradition Ayurvedic medications that work at low risk. Now let’s also put into perspective that most allopathic medicines run a short trial, but take over 8 years to show a pattern of side effects in statistics. Keep eating the shit you’re fed. Not all medicine is good medicine. Of course pollution cause cancers, many of that pollution starts with petroleum, JUST LIKE ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE.

[@mercedesmuchita-thomas3196]

@@alpheendomination that’s not true before pharma medication came out the natural herbs were used by the Native Americans and people from other countries.

[@mercedesmuchita-thomas3196]

The big Pharma companies are selling all these people fake stuff you have to watch what you eat and the medication is harmful

[@realherbalism1017]

For the sake of clarity, I am an amateur herbalist. Now having said that, like most, if not all, real herbalists, i view things in a continuum of treatments with allopathic medicine being the least desirable. You pointed out that not all natural remedies are safe or effective and then you go on to list why. The reasons you gave are that some herbs can interact with medications negatively. While this is a fair assertion on the surface & I agree with it, it also relies on the statement, 'can interact with medications negatively'. If you do not take a prescription drug, there will be no interaction & therefore alleviate that worry. You further go on to state that some natural remedies can be toxic in high doses. There are a number of problems with this assertion. A. Nearly all prescriptions are toxic in high doses compared to some herbs. B. Properly prepared herbal medicine will not be given in toxic level doses C. The statement does not mean the herbal treatment is ineffective only that some can be toxic in high doses. D. Herbs are not used by most real herbalists in the same manner allopathic medication is. Most use an energetic system of evaluating which is both accurate & treats the root cause not the symptom unlike the vast majority of allopathic medicines.

[@saitama944]

Are natural/traditional medicines more effective or modern medicines?

[@realherbalism1017]

@@saitama944 in all honesty it depends on what you're trying to do. In general, modern medicine is more effective at emergency medicine & treating symptoms. Natural medicine is better at healing the cause of the problem and actually fixing what's wrong with you.

[@saitama944]

@@realherbalism1017 So correct me if i'm wrong. Modern medicine is like a chemical reaction just changing you or your body to be different or something like that so it would be better for emergencies and symptoms as it acts like a chemical reaction. But doesn't kill germs just changes it by not letting it reproduce or weakening it walls and defenses so like a chemical change? Traditional medicines would be there to boost your immune system and physical change you by making you stronger or giving you the defense you need? Feel free to correct and add to that. I'm trying to be educated for knowledge cause I do enjoy wildlife, nature, and its good school education as well. Also good to know what to do in general.

[@alpheendomination]

If you have no formal background in biology, how can you say you are qualified to discuss what impacts the human body in what ways? Yes, medicinal drugs are toxic in high doses. However, taking 2 tablets every 4-6 hours is not ambiguous, taking 30g of a herb is however, due to the fact that there is no substance or purity control in what it is you are actually taking. This is also the problem with you saying that "properly prepared herbal medicine isn't toxic in high doses", because how can you validate what is proper and what isn't? The fact is, the people who partake in this and advise you to not take medicinal drugs do not actually have any knowledge on the human body, and do not have to spend years studying and getting licensing unlike doctors who do have to. What does an "energetic system" have to do with this. Energy and systems are both terms used in physics, not pseudoscience used to treat diseases. Medicinal drugs do not just "treat the symptoms". Antibiotics, antivirals, antifungals and many other drugs are designed to kill pathogens. This is contary to alternative medicine which mostly has no evidence that it kills pathogens, except for a couple of exceptions.

[@realherbalism1017]

@@alpheendomination First question: "If you have no formal background in biology, how can you say you are qualified to discuss what impacts the human body in what ways?" Do I have to have a formal background in biology to know that eating nightshade is a good idea? Do I have to have a formal background in biology to know that taking too much acetaminophen will damage your liver? The answer to your question is that I don't have to have a formal background in biology. I have to have a detailed enough knowledge of anatomy, physiology, & herbal effects on those systems to know how it impacts the body. A formal education in biology is not required though it may help. "This is also the problem with you saying that "properly prepared herbal medicine isn't toxic in high doses", because how can you validate what is proper and what isn't?" The same way pharmacists evaluate a properly prepared drug, by knowing in general what amount is safe & what is not. Couple that with knowing about specific indications & contradictions & you have a stable knowledge of what is proper. "The fact is, the people who partake in this and advise you to not take medicinal drugs do not actually have any knowledge on the human body, and do not have to spend years studying and getting licensing unlike doctors who do have to." This is partially correct & partially incorrect. While it is true that an herbalist cannot get a license in the U.S., it is untrue that you do not have to spend years studying & practicing. Most good herbalist education takes somewhere between three to five years to have a proper education & to have clinical experience. Training is much shorter for an herbalist than for a doctor for numerous reasons, none of which have to do with effectiveness of treatment. It is also incorrect that practitioners of herbal medicine do not have knowledge on the human body. Some of the very first classes are on anatomy & physiology. It is not ill advised & demonstrates your lack of understanding on what herbalism actually is. "What does an "energetic system" have to do with this. Energy and systems are both terms used in physics, not pseudoscience used to treat diseases." I'll answer the second part first & then the first part second. While physics does indeed deal with energy & systems, physicists are not the only people that talk about energy & systems. A mechanic is not a physicist yet deals with & understands a vehicle's systems & energies. This can of course be applied to many other types of positions in many walks of life. When I use the term "energetics" I'm speaking about the symptoms a body produces under certain types of stress or injury. For example, if you have an infected area on your arm it is likely to present with redness, inflammation, & possibly drainage. The energetic term for this tissue state would be "heat/excitation" & "Damp/relaxed". Those terms describe states of energy & therefore are "energetic". Plants also exhibit energy states, an example would be cayenne pepper which would obviously be hot. Along with this, herbalists will use the known properties of a plant like antitussive, catarrhal, balsam, etc. To treat the tissue state above you would need an herb or herbs that create the exact opposite condition (though sometimes you should actually increase the symptoms depending on what it is). For example, Plantago Major or Broadleaf plantain is cooling & drying. Some of it's specific properties are astringent, balsam, & hemostatic. If you are as intelligent as you purport to be then you should understand why this would work. Energetic systems are not pseudoscience, it's your ignorance of what they are which make them seem so. "Medicinal drugs do not just "treat the symptoms". Antibiotics, antivirals, antifungals and many other drugs are designed to kill pathogens. This is contary to alternative medicine which mostly has no evidence that it kills pathogens, except for a couple of exceptions." First & foremost, about half of all medications used to day are synthetic derivatives of plants which demonstrates their healing abilities. Secondly, the three mentioned examples treating causes through pharmaceuticals you mention derive almost entirely from plants or fungi. Which strengthens my argument that herbs properly used heal while pharmaceuticals treat symptoms. Outside of those you just mentioned could you provide an example of a "cure" or effective treatment through pharmaceuticals that actually does something to treat the actual cause of an ailment? I'll wait for that one. You are further mistaken that except for a few instances there are no alternative medicines that kill pathogens. This is sheer ignorance. Aside from thousands of years of empirical evidence, there are a plethora of studies done on a wide variety of plants & their properties. No the reason why Big Pharma poo poo's herbal medicine is that in the right hands it is actually MORE effective than pharmaceuticals & those plants cannot be patented & thus huge profits in the trillions of dollars cannot be made. You do not understand herbal medicine at all & have a shallow understanding of why big pharma tries to keep some types of practitioners down. I say some because I do not agree with all alternative therapies. Some are in fact garbage. Herbalism is not one of them & you likely wouldn't be alive right now if herbal medicine was crap because your ancestors would have died out from an injury or illness if it hadn't been for someone that treated them with herbs.

[@mutalasuragemohammed6954]

Fair analysis

[@lauraaleksandrapravs6603]

um, natural IS traditional. Pharmaceutical meds are actually the alternative...

[@MedicalCentric]

I'd like to emphasize that natural remedies are indeed traditional, whereas pharmaceutical medications are the true alternative. ❤️

[@elfrancoterador1961]

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[@DCGreenZone]

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[@MedicalCentric]

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[@springspring9029]

You give doctors and traditional medicine far too much credit

[@MedicalCentric]

@springspring9029 It's understandable that you may feel skeptical about doctors and traditional medicine, especially if you've had challenging experiences. While it's true that no system is perfect, many people benefit from the advances and treatments offered by modern healthcare. That said, integrating natural remedies, lifestyle changes, and holistic approaches alongside traditional medicine can offer a balanced way to manage health. Everyone's journey is unique, and it's about finding what works best for you.