Indo Pacific 2022 - Day 2: Surface Vessels

[@EyeInTheSkypaulmcmenamin]

I like the Navantia concept destroyer.

[@oriolguerrero1702]

Its an upscaled version of the SMART 4000 which is supposed to be a corvette, i personally dont see much use in the retractable main gun if it has the stealthy casemate it shouldnt matter and takes up space, weight and money but i still hope Spain bulds for itself a couple of these

[@blackfield1885]

would it be stable in high waves?

[@oriolguerrero1702]

@@blackfield1885 Its weight is distributed lower than on other ships that have heavy tops, think how you can balance a hammer with the top on the ground but its difficult to do so when upright, and the wider beam at the waterline than on the first deck, id say it would fare extremely well, plus the inverted bow makes more of the weight of the ship be underwater and thus making it more estable not just side to side but when traversing frontal waves (im a student of a double degree of materials and naval engineering so im not totally speaking out of my ass hahah)

[@SteveJones-om6ks]

@@blackfield1885 it’s a good question. There seems to be a tumblehome quality to the design. These have proven to have poor stability in a following sea as the waves can push the hull into a downward pitch and there’s no bow flare to catch the pitching. Means the bows can get very wet at times. Which might be a slight issue if you have lots of hatches over gun and missile silos forward. It’s definitely an interesting design but very much one that raises questions. The CIC comment for example. There doesn’t seem a lot of advantages to a CIC connected to the bridge and flyco spaces when the point of all the UxVs is to push out the sensor bubble from the ship back over the visual horizon!?. Interesting still though.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

Man, that Spanish concept warship looks like something I saw in 80s Japanese Anime set on Earth in the year 2100.

[@Wolfe351]

a friend of mine built that SMART 8000 model, saw it at his place when I delivered the display case for it

[@t.t7225]

Great contribution

[@Wolfe351]

@@t.t7225 he was going to build a 1/72 rc model of the new Oz icebreaker but the shipyard refused to release the basic plan for it.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

It’s a truly bizarre ship, totally futuristic in design and concept. I hope it isn’t too ambitious and manages to find some buyers. Also way bigger than I thought it be.

[@t.t7225]

@@jacobbaumgardner3406 I got doubts about the reliability of the gun lift and hatch mechanism. I think that should be done little more conservative. Same with the hatches for missiles.

[@Wolfe351]

@@jacobbaumgardner3406 I think they designed it more to promote interest in advanced designs, than as an actual ship they would build

[@umu8934]

WOW Navantia's Smart 8000 destroyer concept model looks promising IMHO 😸

[@SANTIAGOHISPANIORUM]

The spaniards Smart 8000 concept is very intersting. It is like a surface multiporpouse submarine. Looks like the USS Zumwalt but much cheaper I am sure. It´s a destroyer but a drone aircraft carrier at the same time. It´s just genious!

[@rext87able]

yeah it definitely looks very advanced would be useful if you have manpower shortages, but personally i think needing to rely upon more assets and a different array to vehicles to complete missions sets could be more of a logistical challenges compared to larger more capable destroyers and frigates that by nature are built to do multiple naval duties very well. For instance as a destroyer she looks very stealthy but certainly under gunned.

[@SANTIAGOHISPANIORUM]

@@rext87able Very interesting perspective and thoughts. Thank you.

[@rext87able]

@@SANTIAGOHISPANIORUM anytime :)

[@morrisgasteiz]

increíble el diseño español, increíblemente moderno pero he estado viendo detenidamente el video y me parece un diseño excelente. a ver en que queda......por cierto mr. Fernández nivel de ingles de 2º de ESO jaaaja

[@pr7638]

really missed those exhibition/trade show videos. =)

[@bernadmanny]

Everytime he says Arafura it makes me smile.

[@drinksnapple8997]

I see Australia purchasing surplus USN Mk110 57mm mounts for a very very low price for the ARAFURA-class OPV.

[@carisi2k11]

I don't. The RAN have never used that gun. I suspect a 30mm cannon with an 8 cell mk41 somehow fitted at the front.

[@tokyofduarte4523]

Navantia💪

[@michaelrostosky2986]

The BMT Design is nice, but the placeing of the back Phalanx is cutting the options

[@KamiInValhalla]

The Spanish ship is really interesting. Would love to see it be built

[@brunol-p_g8800]

3:53: this Austal OPV is quite similar to the French POM.

[@watermirror]

wondering what happened to Austal's MRV-80 design. but anyway, how much costs will be added when Austal's aluminium hulls be reinforced w/ Kevlar or the like material

[@boredatsea]

Apparently a design similar is being built for the Philipines navy

[@watermirror]

@@boredatsea but I wasn't exactly talking about ph navy

[@SanctuaryLife]

I still can’t understand why in this day and age given China concerns that Australia is still building paper Tiger patrol boats? When the 2 fleets we have go down, these will be all we have left and need to be able to hit ships with a missile some type, why can’t it have at least an 8 cell launcher?

[@robertmuller5039]

Totally agree

[@dan7564]

Their patrol boats, it's more like the the US coast guard boats. Their jobs is to stop the boats ya da ya da or stop illegal fishing or pirates.

[@maonarin6038]

I do love all Austal designs !

[@antonioneiro4948]

Para nada no se parecen en nada que siempre o el gusta a los demás ponerle pegas a los barcos made in Spain la envidia que fabricamos los mejores buques del mundo

[@jamieshields9521]

Xavier you definitely pull out interesting warships in design👍OPV design has plenty room to grow unfortunately the dropping of 40mm is disappointing as Arafura needs so weapon where it’s defence or offensive. On positive note I do like BMT design n very smart in offering with building in Australia. Smart 8000 is definitely got what is needed for Hobart replacement but weight 8 to 10t is bit light especially compared to Hunter class.

[@carisi2k11]

Hobarts aren't being replaced any time soon and when they are it will probably be an evolved hunter class.

[@strikezero01]

its a like a Star Wars design with a little Spanish bread all over it

[@Lyphatma]

Everything is always an 'interim solution' in Australia.

[@erkanylmaz5564]

Thanks.

[@jacksonteller1337]

The Spanish ship somehow reminded me of Thundersub.

[@robertmuller5039]

They need anti ship missiles. You can bolt them on the deck in 4packs . What are they doing,,?

[@gicking3898]

The Smart 8000 apparently only has 36 vls cells. I don't understand why future European designs are longer than US and UK ships but have less weapons and sensors . What us the extra length for? A movie cinema and bowling alley?

[@kqckeforyou4433]

Well from my Knowlege the Smart 4k Had 4× 16 vls but is only 120m long. So probaly this has 2 other missile bays so 36×3 where 108 cells.which would make sense. Also i think it has a 5 inch Otobreda Lw instead of the 76mm on board of the Smart 4k. But i want to know what propulsion and what Asw weapon it carry's.

[@devonlord99]

The model has 48 vls cells visible so I'm not sure what you're talking about. In regards to the extra length, that would probably be due to the internal hangar and well deck.

[@oriolguerrero1702]

Becouse we are flat out incompetent. Look up the new ASW frigate F-110, only 16 VLS cells, granted all for selfdefense but still not even CIWS system on board. On the sensor thing i have to disagree as those new frigats for example have the best sonar in the world atm and we are the only european contry (not counting Norway's frigates which were built by us) to field the Aegis radar, and the newest one at that, a fully integrated digital twin of the ship and many many more systems.

[@dnguyen9747]

Why do European ships tend of have fewer VLS compared to the US? Money. These missiles are really expensive. Most countries can't afford to buy that many missiles. Only the US can afford to put that many missiles in their ships. The Constellation frigates should have 48 VLS because it costs about half the Burke but the ship wasn't built to handle 48 VLS. This is the "risk" the US made when it decided to buy off the shelf existing design.

[@thomasromanelli2561]

​@@dnguyen9747 I believe that future blocks for the Constellation class would permit an additional hull module that could carry more VLS, but remember that the primary, reported function of the vessel class is for ASW. It was never intended to replace the anticipated missile capacity shortfall that's looming on the horizon when the Ticons are finally decommissioned.

[@davidlefranc6240]

Pretty interesting for sure

[@jimbobhootenanny4440]

That last ship looks like a sub and a boat

[@user-zh9kc7tw4n]

The Navantia destroyer concept looks like an upscale of the Swedish Visby Class corvette just not as stealthy.

[@watermirror]

Since new concept warships usually fail notably Zumwalt & US LCS, it'd be unsurprising Navantia's Smart-8000 or even its original 4000 ver will only be a useful thing in the far future. But say, if Spanish Navy & Navantia partner in funding even just 1 unit & use it as a dedicated testbed, when successful, they'll likely end up getting loads of orders, outperforming the world's traditional top warship builders. Spanish Armada 2.0 reborn of the Spanish Navy. The UK might end up all fired up to create an ingenious design to beat Armada again but this time on business area

[@model901]

Who knows. Maybe Navantia with Smart 4000 and 8000 vessels can do another "Cartagena de indias battle" to the British navy. But this time in the business arena 😉

[@alanbstard4]

nice suit Ashley

[@Apa_yang_anda_pikirkan]

Bagaimana perkembangan untuk proyek ARROWHEAD-140 antara BABCOCK INGGRIS dengan PT. PAL INDONESIA

[@hazlinabdulhamid7461]

Submarine, Fighter Aircraft, Hypersonic Missile Systems... ASEAN high alert... ✌️😊✌️🇻🇳🇲🇲🇰🇭🇱🇦🇹🇭🇸🇬🇵🇭🇧🇳🇲🇾🇮🇩

[@valiant8730]

defund ASEAN

[@GlenCychosz]

I hope that one day Australia will put antishipping missile defence on it's 2 LHDs.

[@juanangelalonsoruiz8839]

La plataforma lhd de navantia es impresionante

[@trekkienzl2862]

If 🇺🇦 Ukraine wins their war against 🇷🇺 Russia, these OPVs could be a good option for rebuilding the future Ukrainian Navy.

[@billwhoever2830]

I dont think a navy is what Ukraine would be thinking about after the war (they will be "losers" even if the Russians leave them alone) the entire country is destroyed and the navy wasnt even used in the current war there are more important things for the Ukranian goverment to think about a Ukranian navy of a frew frigates traped inside the black sea wont have a chance against a country like Russia the reason the Ukranian forces are still fighting is due to urban combat and hiding in cities with civilians in the open sea you are just a target, with no civilians to grand you some protection

[@watermirror]

Russia had no aim to invade in the 1st place, so Ukraine already lost the war. Russia only planned to wreck havoc on Ukraine which they already succeeded since day 1. Russia will continue doing that to keep Ukraine unusable or less usable by NATO. in short, Ukraine's economy will not recover & so no money to buy those OPVs unless Russia's economy is defeated & so cannot anymore sustain attacks on Ukraine or unless Ukraine negotiates w/ Russia & NATO to become a neutral state

[@halfonso_0871]

Ukraine has big shipyards. The sunken Moskva was built in Mikolaiv, Ukraine. If they survive the war, I suposse they will make their own ships

[@sourabhgupta4853]

Indo Pacific 🔱🇮🇳🚩

[@lagrangewei]

3:46 the OPV design look stupid, why would you not raise the helideck above the boat deployment space? OPV are for patrol you don't have to care about sea handling, just make it more top heavy, it fine. instead there is a hole in the helideck that the helicopter has to avoid, awwww.... 11:33 spanish destroyer concept is cool, but i must also wonder, where's the hangar? is it like the russian that has a lift to lower the helicopter? or does it not have a hangar.

[@kqckeforyou4433]

The hangar is below the flight deck like Kirov.

[@Forevertrue]

Disappointed in Australia. That model is a Radar beacon. NO effort for low observability at all. Is it a cruise ship? I would not be interested in it. Navantia was very impressive.

[@Apa_yang_anda_pikirkan]

INDONESIA sangat serius dalam menjaga wilayah perairan laut yang menjadi wilayah kedaulatannya, khususnya di zona ekslusif Indonesia, Laut Natuna Utara yang menyimpan kekayaan yang melimpah. Bagi kami, kedaulatan Indonesia harga MATI. Artinya kematian sebagai bayarannya. Cina mengklaim nenek moyang mereka membuat dinasti di Pulau Natuna tetapi dinasti itu tidak bertahan lama akibat mereka kalah melawan tentara Belanda yang dipersenjatai dengan senjata modern dan canggih. Kami Indonesia melawan penjajah menggunakan senjata sisa Jepang, selebihnya kami menggunakan senjata sederhana seperti Bambu Runcing, Kris, dan Parang. Militer Cina hanya unggul dalam kecanggihan, tetapi untuk mental, pengalaman bertempur, skill personil tentara Indonesia sangat lebih unggul. Selain itu, rakyat Indonesia dengan senang hati akan terjun berperang melawan negara mana saja yang mencoba menganggu Indonesia. Kami rakyat Indonesia akan dengan senang hati jika pemerintah meminta pertolongan, dan dengan senang hati jika ditugaskan untuk langsung datang ke negara lain untuk menyerang. Pertanyaan saya, apakah negara yang diserang siap.? Nenek moyang Indonesia adalah seorang pedagang ulung dan nelayan handal, tetapi jangan lupakan jika nenek moyang Indonesia juga seorang petarung. Majapahit adalah buktinya, Nusantara adalah istilah untuk wilayah mulai dari Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei Darussalam, Singapura, Thailand, Vietnam, Filipina, Kamboja Oleh karena itu, Cina sangat berambisi dan mengklaim laut itu milik nenek moyangnya. Asal kalian tahu saja, sejarah yang diklaim Cina itu sangat lucu. Bagaimana bisa itu wilayah Cina, sedangkan nenek moyang mereka sangat singkat berada di Natuna karena dikalahkan oleh Belanda. Wilayah Laut Natuna Utara Indonesia menyimpan Cadangan Minyak Bumi sebesar 92,63 juta standar barel atau milion stock tank barrel (MMSTB), dan Cadangan potensial sebesar 137,13 juta MMSTB. Sedangkan cadangan gas bumi potensial di Laut Natuna Utara sebesar 1.605,24 BSCF yang terdiri dari 1.083,61 BSCF cadangan harapan dan 521,63 BSCF cadangan mungkin. Berdasarkan catatan Kementerian Energi dan Sumber Daya Mineral (ESDM) Indonesia, Blok East Natuna mempunyai kandungan volume gas di tempat (Initial Gas in Place/IGIP) sebanyak 222 triliun kaki kubik (tcf), serta cadangan sebesar 46 tcf. Tak hanya itu, Kementerian ESDM juga melirik potensi kandungan minyaknya. Potensi minyak di blok itu mencapai 36 juta barel minyak. Namun baru dimanfaatkan sekitar 25 ribu barel minyak.

[@wozza77able]

Aarh…its like listening to a Tony Abbot interview.

[@fkelaomster2583]

Austal is falling apart.. from the cancellation of the OPV project for the Philippine navy to the poor performance of the LCS independence-class of US navy w/c they have plans to retire it.

[@EpicDyster]

The freedom class is the one the USN wants to retire. The fist two Independence class are prototypes and the USN want to retire them but the rest will remain in service.

[@fkelaomster2583]

@@EpicDyster Your source/ref pls..

[@oriolguerrero1702]

@@EpicDyster Search up cracking hulls of Independece class and the latest statement of the agency of aquisitions for the navy, youll see how wrong that is

[@watermirror]

​@@fkelaomster2583 Independence-class has issues like other numerous combatships but doesn't mean poor. as for source, u can search on ur own, besides YT don't allow links, & ur comment has none in the 1st place

[@fkelaomster2583]

@@watermirror ROFL! no source.. tsk tsk🤣

[@senengs3749]

Opv

[@gamm8939]

Some weird things with the SMART 8000: Why make a Tumblehome design? They are far inferior to a flared design. Why would you cover the VLS cells? Doesn't bring any advantage. Same with the Gun. It won't reduce the RCS by that much, but will be a complex system that will cost a lot of money to build and service.

[@joeyyeet2970]

its a concept doe...

[@gamm8939]

@@joeyyeet2970 Yeah but why make a concept with flaws? Tumblehome is terrible. No Navy wants a 10.000ton Tublehome with 48 VLS cells.

[@sebreknight1685]

Indian Navy also needs to increase submarine numbers and Carriers.... Without India forget Indo Pacific....USA can't do a thing....🇮🇳

[@Apa_yang_anda_pikirkan]

Bagaimana bisa? Sekarang ini negara-negara ASEAN adalah pemain kunci di Indo-Pasifik. Bukan India. Di antara negara-negara di ASEAN, Indonesia adalah negara penyeimbang. Oleh karena itu, banyak negara-negara dari luar ASEAN ingin memiliki peran dan pengaruh di kawasan INDO-PASIFIK. Contohnya seperti India, yang beberapa waktu lalu mengunjungi Indonesia untuk membahas kerjasama penguatan hubungan militer berupa latihan bersama dan pertukaran pelajar perwira tentara. Wilayah Indo-Pasifik, khususnya di titik ASEAN adalah wilayah bernilai sangat strategis. Bayangkan saja seperti kasus Ukraina-Rusia dimana terjadi pemboikotan yang dilakukan Rusia itu terjadi juga di Kawasan Indo-Pasifik tepatnya di kawasan ASEAN. Saat ini pelabuhan angkut Singapura adalah yang terbaik di Indo-Pasifik. Bayangkan saja jika Cina memiliki kekuasaan atas itu. Selain itu, Indonesia juga dinilai menjadi mitra kunci untuk isu-isu di kawasan Indo-Pasifik. Indonesia juga serius dalam menjaga wilayah perairan laut yang menjadi wilayah kedaulatannya, khususnya di zona ekslusif Indonesia, Laut Natuna Utara yang menyimpan kekayaan yang melimpah. Oleh karena itu, Cina sangat berambisi dan mengklaim laut itu milik nenek moyangnya. Asal kalian tahu saja, sejarah yang diklaim Cina itu sangat lucu. Bagaimana bisa itu wilayah Cina, sedangkan nenek moyang mereka sangat singkat berada di Natuna karena dikalahkan oleh Belanda. Wilayah Laut Natuna Utara Indonesia menyimpan Cadangan Minyak Bumi sebesar 92,63 juta standar barel atau milion stock tank barrel (MMSTB), dan Cadangan potensial sebesar 137,13 juta MMSTB. Sedangkan cadangan gas bumi potensial di Laut Natuna Utara sebesar 1.605,24 BSCF yang terdiri dari 1.083,61 BSCF cadangan harapan dan 521,63 BSCF cadangan mungkin. Berdasarkan catatan Kementerian Energi dan Sumber Daya Mineral (ESDM) Indonesia, Blok East Natuna mempunyai kandungan volume gas di tempat (Initial Gas in Place/IGIP) sebanyak 222 triliun kaki kubik (tcf), serta cadangan sebesar 46 tcf. Tak hanya itu, Kementerian ESDM juga melirik potensi kandungan minyaknya. Potensi minyak di blok itu mencapai 36 juta barel minyak. Namun baru dimanfaatkan sekitar 25 ribu barel minyak.

[@alanbstard4]

neither will India

[@fajrinahmadalikhwan356]

🇮🇩

[@muhammadabahraq5386]

Indo Pacific, what a funny name😂 should be Indi Pacific since Indonesia is refusing to join. Another failed idea just to exclude China, you couldn’t dominate Asia without China and Indonesia🤣🤣🤣

[@recruitmentsargent]

I'm amazed by how bad everybody sells they're ships. Every 5 seconds "huuuuuuh" and we got this "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh" thing. I mean even my cousin speaks better than these guys.