Navigate On Autopilot is DANGEROUS in the UK - New EU Law BAN Tesla Features 2019.16.2

Navigate On Autopilot is DANGEROUS in the UK - New EU Law BAN Tesla Features 2019.16.2
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[@sn0o0o0pi]

Idk why im watching this, i dont even own a tesla

[@ytApplecations]

Jorge Ramírez same

[@MrLanceDBrown]

I’m also a non driver. I watch to see how the tech is developing and hoping we get fully working autopilot soon so I never have to learn.

[@matthew8153]

Lance Brown Trust me, learning to drive is so worth it. Especially if you learn with a manual transmission.

[@MrLanceDBrown]

Matthew Im actually 42 and managed without so far. Than again do live in a cyclable city with good public transport and don't have a family. Its on the to do list, but the total cost of driving is just to high to be an option at the moe.

[@xxdrifterkidxx_8358]

C_L_S same

[@mojo9019]

Beta testing software on public roads sounds like the best idea ever.

[@mojo9019]

Agreed, but "less dangerous than most" still doesnt make it a good idea.

[@digitaldave2429]

@@mojo9019 lol yes, in the same way as driving after 2 pints is less dangerous than driving after downing a bottle of vodka. Still, best not chance it.

[@mr.slaphappy3794]

I know right, this is real life, not fucking Euro Truck Simulator 2.

[@SuperReviews4you]

@@bonjeben4750 Thats a lie. What the tesla did in the video is worse than the average driver. The average driver can maintain a lane and see what lane they are supposed to be on. If the streets were only teslas without drivers this car would have caused a few accidents already.

[@dylanharding5720]

@@SuperReviews4you if it was only teslas, they'd be communicating with one another though. That's the main problem with self driving cars, they're not popular enough, if they filled streets then they could communicate much better than drivers can and easily avoid any crash.

[@-Gumbo]

I'd find this more stressful than driving.

[@foufoufun]

It's ridiculous how the autopilot requires more of your attention than simply driving.

[@i4y]

@@foufoufun on top of that your attention is required for correcting so when you're acting it's always late and thus stressed.

[@MakenaMilani]

yeah, and all those sounds are so annoying. I even hate parking assist sounds, so that would be a total no for me. If I get an Autopilot I want to go onto a highway, turn it on and then open a book and start reading until I arrive at my destination. Not to play driving simulator.

[@foufoufun]

@@i4y Driving one of those is like driving with a new learner driver.

[@EA40]

More stressful even in a country with average speed cameras lol

[@Arthzil]

We thank you for your sacrifice of being a autopilot beta tester! Data from all your future accidents will be very valuable to Tesla.

[@bobcornford3637]

It's not his sacrifice..... it's all the other drivers and cyclists.

[@dw2843]

Bob Cornford right? When he did that autopilot with the cyclists near him I was cringing

[@destroyerdragon2002]

The autopilot in the usa works just fine.. Politics is ruining new tech lol\

[@Derperfier]

This guy is a dickhead, look up his old ‘MasterOv’ channel, he’s a notorious metatagger who goes from topic to topic tricking this KZbin algorithm.

[@KuK137]

@@destroyerdragon2002 If only "works" there because morons there bulldozed half of their country for idiotically wide, environment-ruining roads with no accommodation for pedestrians, bikers, or any wildlife. Alas, EU countries are smarter than to turn most of countryside into useless urban sprawl concrete desert...

[@finn9756]

you really need a sticker on your car saying "autopilot in training" to reduce the confusion of other drivers when it does it's weird moves

[@EeekiE]

Just chuck some L plates on it.

[@Lionsraws66]

Good thought , all cars under auto should say so clearly , so I can avoid them 😊

[@isbestlizard]

I would pay for stickers that said this!!!!

[@stupot008]

That is actually a good idea

[@GroxMirk]

The testing will not be real in such case. Cause drivers can behave differently.

[@constructioneerful]

Wales is nice. I think autopilot was making a good decision.

[@Tombsar]

It doesn't necessarily take you where you wanted to go, but it always takes you where you needed to be.

[@henryjames8714]

Constructioneerful haha

[@jameswalker199]

"Car, I need to go to London!" "No! I'm going to Wales!" "What!? Why!? I need to be at a meeting in the next hour!" "No! Wales!" "…" "I want rain and sheep!"

[@fcgHenden]

@@jameswalker199 sounds like lvl5 to me. 😂

[@root729]

@@Tombsar Zen Navigation

[@KX36]

So the people who designed the traffic AI in Cities:Skylines clearly work at Tesla now...

[@dbzfanexwarbrady]

XD

[@sabersz]

Clearly

[@SpontaneouCombustion]

KX36 Other lanes? I’ve never heard of such a thing.

[@TheAlfsterino]

I see the software was programmed by a middle-lane hogger.

[@alanpartridge2140]

Most of the Telsa's I've seen on the motorway are driven really badly, many inside lane hoggers going about 77mph whilst the outer tow lanes are EMPTY, maybe it's autdrive or maybe it's just Londoners who don't have a clue how to drive outside of a 30mph zone, just look at the M25.

[@hilfdsgfuiw]

It's the American way of driving; lanes don't matter :D

[@Zlysium]

It's EU specific problems _mostly_. Contributing factors are shit local regulations and crap roads for the most part. Truly Tesla works much better when the roads are higher quality (referring not to quality of the asphalt which hardly matters but the lines on the road itself are important markers that the autopilot use to "see" the road but a lot of eu roads don't have outside lines which causes problems for the software. (seriously just watch the road during the video and see what I mean, typically no outside lines) On ideal roads and without stupid regulations autopilot works really really well already and is already much safer than human driving.

[@joeberesford5015]

@@Zlysium You know that Europe has far better public infrastructure than the US right? We've had contactless card payments in rural areas for about 5 years too.

[@Zlysium]

@@joeberesford5015 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand your point is? Watch the video, the majority of the roads he drives on have no outside lines at all and in some cases no center lines. That makes it difficult for the car to tell where the hell it's supposed to be on the road. EU roads are pretty crappy. I'm not saying it to insult the EU so you can get defensive. It's just a statement of fact backed up by visual evidence you can witness with your two beautiful eyeballs.

[@rock3tcatU233]

I love how me flying a drone will bring out the entire army on my ass, but beta testing shitty software controlling a 500 HP 2 ton vehicle on public roads is somehow alright.

[@gasser5001]

Lmao. This dood calls it beta testing. Hahaha. I wish I was as ignorant as you.

[@ferventheat]

What's a few pedestrian lives anyway? I mean, they are pedestrian after all. (Joke)

[@CykoruKun]

@@gasser5001 Didn't you see the "BETA" in the disclaimer, like in first minute of the film?

[@kurtbagnell5493]

@@gasser5001 Says Beta on the screen ..... btw

[@Panj0]

@@gasser5001 Your silence speaks volumes. Beta run away?

[@Kyntteri]

3:41 Because adding HAL 9000 "eye" makes you feel confident, that the machine is not actively trying to kill you.

[@mylesfrost335]

tesla PLEASE change lanes I'm sorry I can't do that

[@obroni]

Tesla Autopilot: 60% of the time, it works every time.

[@Penultimate_Jive]

No, it works 100% of the time... 60% of the time...

[@irjoelius]

@@Penultimate_Jive whoooosh

[@Penultimate_Jive]

@@irjoelius No my friend. Tis you that that has missed the joke I'm afraid.

[@AmirKhan-qx2lr]

Have they done studies? ;)

[@ruimpinho]

Amir Khan they’ve done studies you know. 😏

[@DordiHOTS]

seems like the regulations imposed to make tesla's safer actually made them more dangerous and buggy...

[@0xCAFEF00D]

I wonder just how these regulations are expressed. I doubt they're actual limits on turn radius.

[@skepticalexicon3534]

That's bureaucrats for you they always impose their fears on everyone else.

[@tomtalk24]

It looks like it wont change lane if there are cars there (they go red). Kinda makes sense that it should be upto the human to take the risk and cut them up.

[@connorbeynon7677]

*starts turning into the left* no... anywhere but wales

[@westentertainer]

Cheek !

[@jordons7963]

You can tell that 5sec restriction is hurting the autopilot decision making.

[@DAZZER435]

Another reason to leave the EU.

[@vix86]

@@DAZZER435 Unfortunately this wasn't an EU thing. Its some stupid ass UN treaty that it appears France wanted so they could "define what a steering system is." Stupid. As. Fuck.

[@15DJONYX]

Does the EU even know how these cars work?😠

[@bobofthestorm]

@@vix86 "that France wanted" - - basically another reason to leave. Tesla, just like most companies, has simplified their approach to legal matters. No company wants to be entangled in legalities. considering the complex nature of the relationship between EU member France and all other EU members, Tesla is forced to play safe. This is an essential problem with the EU. If France bans nudity on TV tomorrow, HBO will have to package their EU version of GOT without nudity for all the EU just to be safe.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

@@bobofthestorm that's complete bullshit. EU votes on everything, and UK votes too. France can't unilaterally implement anything. What you are against is the concept of democracy, as in where UK can't unilaterally decide everything and instead has to be equally important along with other EU members. The problem with EU is that EU rules become de facto rules for the rest of the world. But that's the general problem all weak and tiny countries have - they follow what bigger entities like US, EU and China decide for them

[@alkoyyy]

If an actual human drove like that you'd assume he was drunk or on drugs. It's just not good enough.

[@Otto72ish]

It's worse than that. At least a drunk driver tends to go slowly (while thinking that they're going faster).

[@hikaru9624]

I agree. The technology is years off from being ready even now.

[@Mrbfgray]

I see far worse almost daily from 'multi-tasking' or texting drivers but that's a low bar.

[@justincase5825]

@@hikaru9624 I disagree. Autopilot seems to work really well in the US from the video's and reports I've seen. I think the issue is there is not enough Tesla's on UK roads for the AI to learn how to drive well in this particular environment. Also some of the criticisms in this video are not exactly fair. The narrator remarks that the car crosses over the lane slightly while turning when the car in front, which is not on Autopilot, does the exact same thing. It is made clear that the driver needs to be paying full attention while using Autopilot and the data does show, over many hundreds of millions of millions driven, that Autopilot does in fact reduce accidents. Also this video was made almost immediately after a new update and my understanding is that after such updates it takes some time for the system to relearn to drive again. There are plenty of video's from the US where Autopilot is used to drive without any intervention for significant periods and in many different environments. But even those video's are just anecdotal, the data speaks for itself, Autopilot reduces accidents and deaths while driving. And with Tesla's new hardware, and once the AI is trained on more data from the UK, I suspect that we will see similar results as we do when watching video's of Autopilot in the US.

[@hikaru9624]

@@justincase5825 I don't deny that the technology has come a long way and is a lot more reliable than it was way back whenever. But until there is absolute proof of the system being reliable worldwide I'll not put my life in the hands of a pc driven car that is still largely prone to errors (also we should rely on education for better drivers and not give them a crutch to rely on and get lazy).

[@jerry3790]

It’ll improve over time but a few cyclists need to be sacrificed first.

[@3rdDanPrime]

i wonder if both of you are serious because it's seems like lame shitty joke

[@hollyplyler9840]

@@3rdDanPrime Seems like sarcasm to me... but ya know.

[@LunnarisLP]

It's probably still safer than people driving themselfs lol

[@maxinator80ify]

"Let's take the tricky corner now." *Bunch of cyclists turn up*

[@0tispunkm3y3r]

It’s when cyclists and horses turn up.... Christ!

[@KX36]

Well it's their own fault for using children's toys on a big boy road.

[@storrho]

@@KX36 Well, it's better than taking the car to work for 7 miles every day. Grow up.

[@_Kamina.]

@@storrho lol he was making a joke... Zou so harsh man.

[@KX36]

@@storrho yes, it was meant as a joke. I have no ill will towards cyclists (except those who run red lights, they're nearly as bad as BMW drivers).

[@RubsNL]

This half arsed autonomy seems more stressful than actually driving yourself..

[@BigUriel]

Anyone who thinks this could in any way be an improvement has clearly never gone for a drive on the passenger seat with a bad driver behind the wheel. It's nerve wrecking, I don't know why anyone would do it.

[@TheAkashicTraveller]

Turns out being constantly worried for your safety makes you drive safer so in a way it works.

[@BigUriel]

@Hernando Malinche Except Tesla specifically tells you that you still have to pay attention during the boring bits and if anything happens that the system can't respond to it will always default back to manual control. Even during the boring bits you still have to keep your eyes on the road and your hands on the wheel...which means they'll still be boring bits. Unless you're one of those Tesla drivers who doesn't, and ends up killing himself on the back of a truck or running over a pedestrian crossing the road.

[@ivebeenbamboozled9210]

Ticketed for reckless driving. Tells cop it was the auto navigation but he ain't having it.

[@j.eliasson2503]

The only controversial update about 2019.16.2, is the bloody format on that date.

[@Tom_Hadler]

J. Eliasson That date format is a disgrace!

[@cduance83]

Cant believe I'm sat at home on a bank holiday watching roads that I would usually be travelling on during the week.

[@Charles-vl8xm]

Some comic had a bit about GTA where he was talking about sitting in traffic in a video game, unable to drive like a madman because he couldn't draw the cops' attention when it hit him. I'm sitting in my living room on my day off sitting in virtual traffic...This is what it's come to

[@A9Racer]

The 5 second rule's ruined auto-turn .. what a turn off

[@Jaroen66]

Actually it's more to do with the design of the autopilot. Ideally you would confirm a lane-change by some other means than the turn signal to indicate the intent of changing lanes. Then the autopilot should find the appropriate moment to do the actual lane change, only then should the turn signal turn on and the car should turn to the other lane. The way it is handled now is short-sighted solution to a sensible traffic rule, which is there obviously for safety reasons. To me this is strong evidence of the long way this AI has yet to go to be able to go full autonomic. Musk is way too optimistic about the time line of when he believes autonomous driving will be implemented..

[@Ellipsis780]

From a software developer point of view that timeout looks like a hasty patch to meet regulations. When making a surprise change a developer has to consider development time, test time, etc. Sometimes it is necessary to pick an option that can be delivered safely on time instead of something that would work better. There are probably a few developers unsatisfied with what they had to do. Maybe they'll get an opportunity with more runway that they can do it right.

[@Jaroen66]

@@Ellipsis780 that's exactly right. However it should have had a better solution to begin with (regulations aside), as it essentially promotes safety, which should be a top priority anyway.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Jaroen66 - in the US, Navigate on Autopilot automatically chances lanes without this annoying, “May I mommy/daddy? - Confirm - Wait for 5 seconds - Cancel - Repeat Cycle. It also seems to work better here, while (in the EU & UK) the regulations have actually made it less safe... The real problem is there was no way those who wrote the treaty & passed the regulations in 1988 could have imagined how technology would advance in 10 years, let alone 30+ years!

[@Jaroen66]

@@TraditionalAnglican I guess you're right that it can make the situation more unsafe than without these features. Then again, can you really trust this AI at this moment to make decisions like this? I'm sure I wouldn't unless I was fully aware of what it was doing and could intervene at any point (which you can obviously). And there lies the problem, it only takes one person to not pay attention or one wrongly calculated turn at the wrong moment and cause an accident. And then who's responsible, the person driving? Even though he never intended or wanted the action that was taken by the car? I guess I'm playing devils advocate here, because I would very much have this technology. But it's just long from ready yet, so safety is of the essence.

[@lfewell2161]

What a stressful way to drive/be driven.

[@GPGOLDENTEE]

I think the autopilot at this stage is just for tinkerers and developers. Its going to take decades of real world data to make it safe enough and this is how they start. I agree though I wonder how developers and creators decide the manor in which their products operate. You've got a screen, display some pertinent data for the driver already! Not just the real time sensor data that won't help the driver make a decision or avoid an accident the car it's self might cause.

[@rokhamler3352]

@@GPGOLDENTEE therefore it should not be let near any public roads.

[@GPGOLDENTEE]

@@rokhamler3352 But that's how its going to learn. Its legal now because there still needs to be a human behind the wheel to take over. The decades of real world data I spoke of earlier is being gathered now (you know, because 10 people using the system for one year = 1 decade) Should we take that approach with all things that can't drive as of today? You can't do it right immediately so you can't do it at all? Computer gotta learn to do it right just like we do.

[@rokhamler3352]

@@GPGOLDENTEE if Tesla takes responsibility for it like a driving school would have to then i might start to consider it. But only if it is first only permitted on slower roads. The fact people like you act like it's so benign to let everyone involved in traffic be exposed to this dangerous bullshit beta test is amazing to me.

[@GPGOLDENTEE]

@@rokhamler3352 Then its a good thing nobody asked you! 😁

[@BusDriver101]

Him - not sure why it thinks something is in front Me - should cle... Him - I cLeAnEd ThE sEnSoRs

[@666Tomato666]

I did drive a Skoda with Automatic Cruse Control (the system that makes it match the speed of the car in front when it's going slower than the speed you set in Cruse Control) and it did detect when snow blocked the sensors and did disable ACC accordingly it's a fault of Tesla that it can't detect dirty sensors and complain about it and disable the Autopilot

[@francescomaestrelli7515]

@@666Tomato666 Agreed. This Tesla is not all that good. More marketing than anything else.

[@mrdrgonzo]

Nah, just stick a BMW badge on it.

[@Tom_Hadler]

BusDriver101 Because people who are too lazy and incompetent to drive a car themselves are exactly the sort of people you want looking after the cleanliness of the sensors! F--k me this world has gone to the dogs

[@DanMogoreanu]

I think one of your ultrasonic sensors is broken, the front left one. You can see that it's continuously triggered, that's why you get the weird messages and summon doesn't work. Also might be the reason why the car veers left randomly, not sure though.

[@KenanLemon]

Dan Mogoreanu At 9:56 we can see on the screen that the sensor doesn’t detect properly the cars behind don’t know if it’s only visual but this could be dangerous

[@0tispunkm3y3r]

I think it’s picking up the verge... they let them grow to ridiculous heights before they get a farmer to come cut them

[@captainboing]

Kind of confirms what I suspected that its lane discipline is shocking. You had a couple of *very* close shaves there too

[@Hobbyblasphemist]

it is important to note that a dashcam video doesnt give a very good idea of drivers view and visibility so they may not have been as close as they appear.

[@spartan456]

USA: "all teslas can drive anywhere in mad max mode!" UK: "why would you want to change lanes?"

[@mlee6050]

New to me, only seen mad max take to fastest lane and driver had to then go to a slower lane to stop that

[@andybrown4284]

Tight turns aren't possible. So this self driving will be useless once you hit twisty windy country roads in places like Wales.

[@peterpain6625]

I bet they'll just release it with a "first 5 ditch rescues 25% off"-coupon in the mail ;)

[@hikaru9624]

And in the Highlands.

[@demonicdarkness3749]

Well, that is only for the EU regulations; tight turns are possible and work perfectly in other regions.

[@Handler4071]

21:30 This comment is the reason why tesla wants to go to Wales instead of London. Kidding Lol✌️

[@mikke73]

And judging from this video, eventually you WILL end up in Wales. Regardless of where you wanted to go.

[@MrPianoMan]

I believe when it merges, it's an illusion of merging. What I mean is that it is literally just continuing forward and doesn't really understand what the merge is.

[@csongor48]

The solid white line forces the car to merge. You can see how it follows the line.

[@chaos.corner]

It appears that it tries to stay between the converging lines but with priority to the solid line.

[@mikicerise6250]

That's terrifying.

[@rickfeith6372]

2 into 1: Solid line wins. We should ALL have this, it would be NUTS.

[@pauldzim]

Well, to be fair, you did turn on Mad Max mode 😀

[@markwicklander6837]

Mad Max prefers Wales over London.

[@SlyRoapa]

"We are going to Wales". My sincere condolences.

[@squeaky9715]

NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO F#&"ING WALES- The Inbetweeners

[@megamaximpie]

Auto pilot seems like a lot more work than regular driving🤔

[@nickchong8029]

Yeah, seems like a novelty factor that doesn't really make practical sense

[@rickolo7507]

What most people don't get is that for technology to become good, it will 90% of the time start off being shit. It's already been shown that autopilot works amazingly well in the US, they just need to do more training in other countries i guess.

[@rickolo7507]

@the Game, Review and Reallife Channel more dangerous than all the human error related accidents happening every single day?

[@Kromaatikse]

@@rickolo7507 In its current state, it's provoking more human errors due to its bizarre behaviour.

[@Gaddo_]

the Game, Review and Reallife Channel human error is much more dangerous, MUCH MORE DANGEROUS.

[@Josh-ui7nq]

I think that it is just following the left line when it joins a moyorway When it leaves, I think it is doing a normal lane change, expecting the new lane to continue straight on.

[@robertclarke64]

So I think when it merges onto the motorway, it doesn't actually know it's merging. I think it's just following the solid white line on the left. So it thinks it's just following the same lane.

[@edewaal97]

you can see the car is thinking exactly that if you look at the screen at the moment of merging. Not strange he didn't see it as he should look at the road at that moment.

[@DerKatzeSonne]

More like "oh no, let's not crash. I'm not supposed to cross a solid line... well crossing a dashed line isn't good either but better than going over the solid line!". Yep, that's what I thought, too.

[@bobcornford3637]

Let's just hope the artics nose to tail on the M25 are a little more alert.... otherwise it's one Tesla less!

[@JerEditz]

huh, now that I think about it, most American on-ramps are either just immediate morphing to the closest lane or it's treated as it's own lane. So i can see why the Tesla has confusion when a thick broken line is in the way of a lane merging. Usually you see those between interchanges here in Murica.

[@ggoddkkiller1342]

It merged properly for once but it followed same lane for the rest which isn't big deal if there are no other vehicles but if there are you will have a problem for sure..

[@crazygeorgelincoln]

Nice video. Seems like Tesla use Uber drivers at the end of a 18hour shift to train the autopilot.

[@SergePupko]

1999: never send a man to do a machine's job. 2019: never send a machine to do a man's job.

[@101m4n]

2029: never send a man to do a job.

[@tankbro-_-7364]

2039: never send a machine to do a job.

[@lassesjov]

I really hope Telsa uses your videos as a reference for improving the autopilot.

[@varez1]

They probably don't need video and video itself won't help much. But they have a lot of logs with every sensor readings over time, they probably can notice how the car was changing decisions and how driver was "fixing" autopilot moves. I guess (and hope) they got the logs before author managed to do video editing and youtube upload :P Now it's time to spot and fix the issue :) I heard opinions that people can actually see autopilot getting better over time without them reporting anything. And this is cool.

[@leonnortje]

I work in a regulated market - sometimes regulations make stuff so stupid that the user thinks why do I need to click this Icon 3 times before it goes away, can the software not recognize that I've done it, and go away the first time... and like in this case - the answer is yes, it can be better but regulations (politics) dictate that it should work like this and if you want to sell a car in a regulated market, or any product for that matter - if you don't comply you don't sell.

[@lassesjov]

@@varez1, to my knowledge the car uploads everything to Telsa's servers and therefore the AI can improve, but having someone to report back is still really useful.

[@lassesjov]

@@leonnortje I totally understand where you're going at, I was talking about the driving/behaviour of the autopilot.

[@dylanharding5720]

@@lassesjov it does upload a lot of data, but nothing that can identify the driver.

[@gmscott9319]

9:55 - 10:02 driver visualization inset: Crazy mini-van driver teleporting all over.

[@Zogixaas09]

Yeah I hate when that happens. I was driving to Morrissons the other day and that god forsaken van just teleported in fornt of me, nearly bumped its back, little bugger.

[@TheThirdLieberkind]

THE CAR CAN'T SEE RED LIGHTS?! JESUS

[@justincase5825]

Yet there are video's of Autopilot navigating stop lights and intersections in the US. Maybe the system has just not be trained on enough data from UK roads yet as there are not many Tesla's here?

[@mikicerise6250]

@@justincase5825 Is red a quantitatively different concept in the UK?

[@ferventheat]

May your prayers be answered

[@n3rdy11]

Neither can a lot of colorblind people, don't be so ableist against cars!

[@axiezimmah]

Miki Cerise The traffic lights may look different or are in places the car doesn’t expect. Machines don’t think the same way as humans.

[@alanscott989]

Should be a ready market for bumper stickers reading . This driver isn't pissed , he is on auto pilot

[@bagpussmacfarlan9008]

Having lived in Australia and Spain the last decade, I'd forgotten how polite drivers in the UK are - flashing you to let you in / out...

[@stevemartin3508]

PLEASE STFU!!!! Australia and Spain?? You are a crybaby, try to drive in Russia and then talk, idiot!!!

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

@@stevemartin3508 How unnecesarily harsh.

[@85Portar]

”Move fast and break things” is not a good philosophy in the automotive industry

[@thulyblu5486]

That's Facebook's motto, not Tesla

[@elizabethdespair]

Not a good motto anywhere

[@DizMizzer]

@@elizabethdespair It's a good motto in the demolition industry.

[@85Portar]

@@thulyblu5486 You don't say?... It was indeed Mark Zuckerberg who coined the phrase which is now adopted by any and all tech startups

[@85Portar]

@@DizMizzer And war, I believe Germany was first but they called it "Blitzkrieg"

[@AppleBS11]

Better drive it myself than worrying about crashing all the time

[@akse]

Yeah pretty much. Adaptive cruise and lane keep assist would be just enough to make commuting in highways more relaxing.

[@rre9121]

“I think I know a way around this” You could just drive your car.

[@zefrogi]

It's almost as if the car is trying to correct itself after 5 seconds when going on to a slip road? It's as if the old system gets confused with the new rules?

[@rogerthomas368]

I get the feeling that between, UK roads, the highway code, Tesla's coding and international rules this is going to be a slow process.

[@Yooo-ph5zx]

Thinking that too

[@ChiroVideosTVlondon]

Yooo yeh same here - it’s probably ok for the grids of America but here, with tiny village roads and shite road markings - unlikely

[@Elbrasch]

Esp. if you consider what a nightmare different language support alone already is. Different road marking, regulations, driver culture etc?

[@Fifury161]

I got annoyed when Microsoft did updates to my Xbox and I lost features - can't imagine the grief losing features on your car would be like...

[@Skiddins]

Sooo, we can look forward to 'autopilot' cars being middle lane hogs as well lol

[@DustinDawind]

On a three lane highway the middle lane is the slow lane. The far right lane is for entering and exiting. The far left lane is the passing lane. So I'm not sure what you mean by "middle lane hog."

[@emanueldobos8452]

@@DustinDawind are u drunk

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

@@DustinDawind Not in most of Europe

[@Jehty_]

@@DustinDawind in which country do you live? Here in Germany we have a rule called Rechtsfahrgebot ( the rule to drive as far on the right site as possible) Meaning that on roads with more than two lanes per direction you have to drive on the far right lane when ever possible. You are only allowed to drive on the other lanes if you overtake a slower vehicle (or a bunch of slower vehicles). Another rule says that you can only overtake on the left side. A 'middle lane hog' is someone who drives (slowly) in the middle lane on a 3 lane road, while the right lane is empty. This means this person basically occupies two lanes, because you are not allowed to overtake him on the right lane, which only leaves the left lane for everyone faster moving. I don't know in which other countries similar rules apply.

[@whyme943]

@@Jehty_ I'm from Canada and in my driving school (for insurance) we were advised to stay in the middle Lane when possible, so people can enter and exit the highway more safely.

[@dx-arnold5185]

You should get a sticker or maybe put a piece of paper by the window, we're it says I'm testing autopilot. Just a suggestion

[@TheAkashicTraveller]

It already has. It's that "T" on the front and back. XD

[@elliottwadsworth4201]

I believe the autolane change has been restricted to motorways only. No secondary roads, same report from other eu drivers.

[@TeslaDriver]

elliott wadsworth yeh it’s a real shame

[@Vardraq]

That is a understandable decision. As I have seen videos where it sees the oncoming lane not as such.

[@mrsnezbit2219]

I think it's fair.. i live in italy and here this kind of robot stile driving it's not a thing, you have to think fast and sometimes in strange ways

[@AdeReeves]

your'e expecting something american to navigate corners?...are you mad! 😄

[@peterpain6625]

Yeah, that was really pushing it. Always expect the cornering "grace" of a hummer in ANY american car. You'll never be disapointed ;)

[@semberspirit]

Y'all know it's not the 1970s anymore, right?

[@eubikedude]

@@semberspirit Tell that to HD. ;)

[@semberspirit]

@@eubikedude Who?

[@NoStereo]

@@peterpain6625 Hey, I think you'll find that my sideways mustang proves you wrong. Besides, this is your regulations that's restricted it to be fair.

[@Pexing]

The park assist unavalible thing indicates an ultrasonic sensor failure. call your service center for them to replace it

[@alanpartridge2140]

That'll be £350 for the part and £200 for labour, aftermarket parts? What are they?

[@DeeBee2013]

So basically divers behind you only get a five second warning you're going to change lanes?

[@sugarrayhatton]

Way too stressful I'd rather drive myself. It would never work on a huge proportion of Ireland's roads anyway

[@theeggtimertictic1136]

This makes me happy we have bad roads in Ireland because I'd never sit in one of those cars!

[@ferventheat]

If this was a person driving you would wanna get out at the next stop and never get in the car with that person again. Crumbs, this will give you a heart attack

[@_Nobody_Special]

The whole autopilot thing needs a bit longer in the oven by the looks of it.

[@GPGOLDENTEE]

*in manual mode* *hits a child* "It was the autopilot! The voice said 'Ten points ahead' and sped up!"

[@Panj0]

I didn't know anyone else played that game :D

[@GalvinGaming]

EU approves Article 13 EU in May 2019: *We now affect Teslas*

[@nicosmind3]

Bet if you did the reaearch itd be possible to tie this to an EU corporation. Its a superstate for the benefit of corporations, and the people can be dammed!

[@dylanharding5720]

@@nicosmind3 the EU's recent actions are the only reason I want Brexit.

[@stanley19430]

@@dylanharding5720 Is Brexit ever going to happen?

[@dylanharding5720]

@@stanley19430 depends on what the next pm will actually do. I'm hoping yes.

[@BugattiBoy01]

Its actually a UN resolution, not EU

[@ajgarn5360]

These regulations actually come from UNECE, and not EU as most people seem to think. It's not that the indicators cannot be on for more than 5 seconds, but that the manoeuvre must start within 5 seconds from the driver's request.

[@Noksus]

USA is a member of UNECE too. Why aren't these rules enforced there then?

[@tgm9991]

@@Noksus because they chose not to.

[@Noksus]

@@tgm9991 I guess that's one of the reasons why britain is leaving EU. They don't even know who is making the regulations and everything is so easy to pin on EU.

[@autohmae]

@@Noksus Becauce UN/ECE means: "United Nations Economic Commission for Europe"

[@jasonandreoli4135]

if that was a learner driving the instructor would have taken control several times yet you let it continue, Disgraceful.

[@8G00SE8]

I'm sure it works great if all your roads are based on a grid system.

[@TiJayFLY]

A quick note about the new rules - steering angle is only restricted above 15kph, so Tesla should be able to keep autopark and summon (what's left of it). I did not expect the indicator limit to be THAT problematic. It's insane. You're absolutely right that shadow mode should calculate the move before putting the blinker on. Losing lane changes on dual carriageways is frankly disastrous, as it essentially nerfs the Tesla to the automation level of my Ioniq - that is, just lane follow and TACC. A further note on the Autosteer angle reduction - it's now the same restriction as other auto steer systems. However, the Tesla handles it better than other cars - it tries to slow down, whereas other cars just instantly hand back control to the driver. Ps. You're right about the merge-on - it didn't have a clue it was merging, that was just normal AP following the markings. And the less said about the merge-off, the better. That shouldn't have shipped - it's outright dangerous. I'm still holding out for the day we get no confirm nav on AP, but it's not looking like that'll be anytime soon. Ps ps ps, it's a UN regulation affecting Europe, NOT an EU regulation!

[@nZifnab]

A UN regulation? o.o How does that work, there's tons of countries in the UN - the USA being one of them, and we don't have these regulations holding back our auto-driving technology atm. (Sorry I'm a stupid American not well-versed in how these kinds of things work...)

[@konzetsu6068]

It seems like it's continuously calculating the lane change when it suggests it, when the line is red the car judges that it can't change (mostly it thought the car behind was to close, even though it didn't show up on the display yet), and if the situation doesn't clear within 5 sec of you indicating it will cancel, however if you wait for the line to turn grey again it should do the operation promptly. That said, margins and speed calculations could be much tighter. He never tried querying an impromptu lane change on the motorway though... would've been nice to know if it could handle it or not. The summon issue might be related to that wonky sensor?

[@MrSpeakerCone]

​@@nZifnab It's a UN treaty which many countries including the UK and Japan have all decided to sign. The US did not agree to several provisions of the treaty so didn't agree to sign the agreement.

[@TiJayFLY]

@@konzetsu6068 there's a guy called Steven Peeters who did a video showing impromptu lane changes with the new software. It really struggles.

[@TiJayFLY]

@A real bisexual petrol-head yes, Europe and JP signed it. The US did not. It was just important to point out that the regulations were created by the UN, not the EU government

[@uham999]

Updated mine 3 days ago and done 500 miles on it. First time I've been disappointed in an update. Autopilot on highways is unusable. 5 second timeout gives mixed messages to vehicles around you. Its just plain dangerous. You have to take over constantly making it worthless. Autopilot now doesn't work in places it used to work perfectly in previous releases. I'm going to get it rolled back to a previous release if that's possible.

[@uham999]

Turns out that you can't rollback. My car won't lane change at all now if standard autopilot is on. It days that the function is inhibited every time you try. Tesla put v16.3 on it with same result. It does lane changes with noa but is still unusable with the brake checking (usually when passing a truck) and timeouts. Tesla are trying to help and are working on it. I expect they will fix it soon.

[@DarthZackTheFirstI]

that looks like a stressfull thing... . would turn it off all the time too much headache :p

[@ZedsDeadOK]

This is like driving with my wife, her software needs updating too ;)

[@DiabolicaLuke]

you need to downgrade her to the times where women weren't allowed to drive lol

[@ZedsDeadOK]

@@DiabolicaLuke The only Re-booting allowed is by her, on my backside. LOL

[@Luredreier]

Remember that you're in that mad max mode. So perhaps your Tesla is less dangerous in normal mode?

[@timeslidez]

Wow it was really disappointing to see navigate on autopilot perform so badly. Still a lot of work to do for UK roads.

[@tomdude75]

You should not rely on a car to self drive that's only asking for trouble

[@N00byEdge]

This is obvoiusly a problem with people driving on the wrong side of the road.

[@LemoUtan]

"The car can't see red lights"

[@kaldo_kaldo]

9:55 I'm not sure of the traffic laws in England, but some of the maneuvers happening on the driving visualization certainly do break a few laws in the States.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Funnily enough, I just released a video about this subject yesterday. I was amazed that this hasn’t received much publicity.

[@LeytonC]

What do I think? It's a complete nightmare - swerves around, crap lane discipline, no indicators, indicates then does nothing I can see that causing a smash at some point, seriously I hope Tesla watches this debacle and does something...

[@WayStedYou]

Car comes up behind him "WHY HAS IT CANCELLED?"

[@GoGo-ix2sp]

In 50 yards take the first Brexit

[@musashah7428mas]

Goddess of the oak Gods Peace loool

[@dylanharding5720]

Lmao

[@Uruz_7]

Looks like you missed your exit, please take the next brexit in 5 miles

[@dylanharding5720]

@@Uruz_7 years**

[@pyeltd.5457]

In 50 centurys take the first Brexit

[@MightyOnion]

You should put an "Autonomous Driving Testing in Progress" sign at the back of the car so that people don't think you're a complete bad driver

[@pinkyn0se]

And take the Tesla badges off to save some residual embarrassment...

[@kongoubongo1114]

Tesla owners: EU: YOU GOT A LICENSE FOR THAT AUTOPILOT?!

[@Partyfreaker]

UK: Brexit

[@francescomaestrelli7515]

@@Partyfreaker UK: Crash out of the motorway.

[@wheany]

good

[@ShotgunAFlyboy]

The EU is such a shitshow

[@DamianAI9]

Tesla + American Roads = Love Tesla + Europa Roads = Hell

[@entechcore]

Europa's a moon.

[@CalimirRPG]

@@entechcoreI suppose you could call the stripes on the surface 'roads'.. in theory at least

[@whisky9075]

@@entechcore In most European languages, Europe is Europa.

[@n3rdy11]

@@whisky9075 But in English, which is the language he clearly was writing in, it's still EuropE.

[@MaakaSakuranbo]

@@n3rdy11 Actually should be EuropEAN

[@JanBruunAndersen]

You need to take your car to a psychiatrist. It seems to have developed a split personality. It needs to have the AI integrated before it is safe to use.

[@matthew8153]

Jan Bruun Andersen I think you mean a psychiatrist.

[@TheLikeys]

Yeah, we need health care services for AI too

[@Andronk]

It took me a few minutes to realise the flashing red dot is a reflection of the camera and not part of the display!

[@0860888080]

I thought it was some kind of bugged warning of an obstacle nearby

[@theboatgoat]

Same

[@hexrag5901]

Autopilot is just dangerous and shouldn't be on a vehicle on public roads (unpopular opinion I know)

[@David-eh9le]

Not right now. Maybe in 20 years when they ara "Safe".

[@justincase5825]

Humans are dangerous and shouldn't be driving vehicles on public roads!

[@jesuschrist5598]

@@David-eh9le 20 years????????????????????????????????. twenty????????

[@David-eh9le]

@@justincase5825 right now the "Autopilot" is way more dangerous then a human. If u say this i hope u dont got a license.

[@David-eh9le]

@@jesuschrist5598 at least

[@LiezerZero]

Mad Max mode is never truly off.

[@David-iy7en]

Those big arrows seem to confuse it, thinking it is a line

[@MrJohnboyofsj]

I noticed that too. It should be easy enough for a well trained AI to see the difference between a line and an arrow... I think the problem is simply the data set for the AI training is not large enough in the UK. Does not seem good at all that it is limited by that though.

[@jep0rox]

This is a UN treaty thing not something the EU came up with.

[@MineGames66]

Even so i dont think the un forced the eu to sign the treaty

[@dexcuracy]

​@goran stojanovic Well, you're only wrong in every way. EU is a political union between 28 European nations, the UN is a global organisation promoting international peace and cooperation. UN was established just after the second World War (est. 1945), the EU came into existence in 1993.

[@funnyanimals8053]

Did Tesla hired the same lower-paid contractors like Boeing did for their 737 Max software? 😰

[@MonkeyDeRuffy777]

I think it's because it's right hand drive. Autopilot was made for left had driving xD That's why it can't pass anyone or change langes properly

[@LDTjbph]

Aye because that's how it works fella.

[@johnread-jones9846]

autopilot doesn't care which side of the car the driver is sat. However, it could explain why the autopilot has a right bias on motorway lanes.

[@maxpelletier2237]

You should set the following distance to 1 when navigating on auto-pilot, and letting it handle the lane changes. because at 2 or 3, it seems to require a much much bigger gap to merge onto.

[@Otto72ish]

Or just drive it yourself?

[@ericpickles9616]

11:05 its a legal requirement to keep left of the centre marking and not go over it, it will be interesting to see if they can make it work.

[@masterwoof8969]

The reason I think why it’s not indicating onto the motorway is because the line just goes out of sight then thinks that the lane got bigger then back smaller and doesn’t think about where it is on the map

[@simonci5177]

You right. Its should start to indicate when is ready to change lane. 23:10 send this to Tesla support

[@Shabazza84]

That's just dumb. I would argue, that restricting the steering angle is even more dangerous... And if regulations restrict the usability of the AP in EU, that would suck. It's OK not to trust the AP yet. But why make the drivers life harder by restricting it even further? Also, imagine what this means for other car companies with certain autopilot-features, that don't have over-the-air updates.... EU!

[@primomechatronics3816]

governmet regulations kill innovation.

[@autohmae]

If only you were complaining about the right organisation, turns out this is a UN European Region rule.

[@vix86]

Another comment had pointed out that this was a UN Treaty thing so I went and looked it up and it appears so. UN Regulation 79 (.02), signed by most of Europe, the UK, and Japan. The US didn't sign on and after reading a small summary on it I think I can see why. I don't know why the fuck they needed a treaty on THIS. From a site talking about 79.02, an amendment to the original regulation that pertains to electronic autosteering systems, they gave a summary on the original Reg 79. "Regulation 79, known throughout the industry as simply Reg 79, was created with the intention of providing a common understanding and thus a definition of what a “steering system” fitted to a road vehicle is, from their layout to the performance of the overall system, and thus to provide a basis on which steering systems are to be evaluated for their suitability for the outside world." If you're curious if your country signed Reg 79, introduced back in 1988, check here: treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XI-B-16-79&chapter=11&clang=_en

[@janj112]

But he stills blames the EU, how British!

[@LetsTakeWalk]

vix86 Progress again is stifled by shortsighted politicians from the past who probably are close to death now.

[@lionkinggamer9458]

Of course he blames the EU. Dont you see on Twitter how he supports the Brexit Party

[@lordbinkythebuffoon5465]

@@lionkinggamer9458 I can feel the shaking from here. Don't poop yourself.

[@lionkinggamer9458]

@@lordbinkythebuffoon5465 Okay? Such a random comment lmao

[@14aartis]

17:37 watch the visualization screen 😳

[@SuperUltimateLP]

09:56

[@Karpaneen]

I felt so stressed watching this video that I'm not getting a car with an autopilot for years. :D

[@hloandy]

Dan, great video and keep up the good work. Could not agree more with your observations. As a UK MS Tesla driver for the past year, the car has constantly got better. However, since the last update 2019.16.2 last week, and as your report highlights, it has got significantly worse and the car is definitely more cautious/tentative and dangerous. I have experienced all the points you raised on a single journey over the weekend. In particular, and of major frustration to me being the car's inability to 'offer' to move to the left from the centre lane of the motorway, and also the frequency of 'nags' to hold the steering wheel down to approx. every 15 sec. In the end I switched AP/NoAP off, just simply too stressful for the driver and also the passengers. This is not a good situation. Great to see the UNEC keeping us all safe on this side of the pond! Great report here from Steven in Belgium kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5PHo6mKr7F7jLM Please help us in protesting these changes by signing this petition: secure.avaaz.org/en/community...

[@raphael26495]

In the German Update thing there was no mention of the new regulation to summon and Autosteer.

[@jameswalker199]

Hypothesis: when it "just merges" without applying the indicators, I'm not convinced they're seeing the dotted line that separates the sliproad from the carriageway.

[@peterpain6625]

Yeah. I'd love to see what it does when there is a car on the right side and it wouldn't fit ;)

[@lutzbroska880]

So the EU is to blame for not allowing more beta-features to be active in a car clearly not designed for european roads and thereby keeping its citizens safe... smh

[@thenlnlkn]

Lutz Broska they’re to stupid to have as much power as they do

[@BNHC0]

@@thenlnlkn its completely unsafe, imagine if the driver wasnt this attentive.

[@thenlnlkn]

VaN Darkholm it’s more unsafe the way they made it If the car could make harder turns it wouldn’t be hogging middle lanes and taking 10 minutes to change lanes (taking the guy to Wales, interrupting random cars, staying between lanes in roundabouts etc)

[@geraldinemacdonaldsmith5304]

What you should do is reverse the update so you are on the old software

[@ajax2.087]

21:43 I've missed the M5 towards the midlands so many times there XD you have to do the lane changes so quick when joining the motorway, I've only not been caught out by it once. So I wasn't expecting the Tesla to do it either!

[@rickfeith6372]

Thats called bad design. Spaghetti as the Italians would say.

[@aussienursingbuddy]

Someone flashed you on the motorway! hahaha

[@aussienursingbuddy]

Oh, I'm assuming people flash to allow you to merge in!

[@MoggerhangerMark]

My 2018 S 75D yesterday said 'software upgrade, connect to WiFi' - I did at the end of the day and the update is no longer there to this release....