Nazi Occultism | LIES | Extra History

[@extrahistory]

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[@caterinagargiulo]

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This is wonderful

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[@caterinagargiulo]

This is great

[@caterinagargiulo]

This is incredible

[@peggyliepmann5248]

My paternal grandfather fled Germany sometime in the 1930's-40's. He didn't practice Judaism, and I don't think his parents did, but he in the range of "Jewish enough" that he decided he was getting out while the getting was good. The section about how race and religion were considered at the time does plenty to clarify what that really meant. Even if he didn't consider himself Jewish, they might see it differently.

[@bradivany7008]

34:25 "The past is closer than you think" The older I get, the closer it all feels to me. Or, The farther I age from history, the more intimate my sense of connection with it.

[@ThomasstevenSlater]

The Anatomy act (1832) allowed any unclaimed body to be given up for dissection, this largely meant those from prisons, hospitals and the workhouses and thus overwhelming the very poorest and most downtrodden. Murderers were put forth for this in the 1752 murder act, but that did not supply nearly enough corpses so you ended up with resurrectionists and murderers like burke and hare.

[@KyleRayner12]

I'm fairly active in the disability rights community today, and most people I work with are opposed to terms like "different bodies" or "differently abled" because of a) the obscuring of atrocities against disabled people *as* a socially-defined class, as the original commenter noted, but also because of b) the tendency to use euphemisms for our lives and experiences, and the implication with them that disability itself is something that requires obfuscation or shame.

[@ferretyluv]

Same with “people with disabilities.” Adjectives exist for a reason! Stop the euphemism treadmill!

[@iapetusmccool]

I can understand why people might not like being described as "disabled" - it sounds very negative, and rather implies that they just can't function. But pretty much all the euphemisms and alternative terms seem worse to me. The least bad just seem to be really clumsy rephrasings of existing terms that just make it take longer to say exactly the same thing. But then there are ones that seem to be to be weirdly patronising, or just weird. Like "differently abled" or the "different bodied". Worst though IMO is the recent idead that "you're not disabled, society is disabling". I get what they're trying to say, and for some conditions (e.g. autism) it might be accurate. But in the case of someone with debilitating physical or health conditions that prevent them doing the sorts of things they used to, it seems to me to be completely dismissing the actual problems they face. Ironically, the term I think that is most neutral and most accurate (at least for my own condition) is "handicapped". But in my country (UK) that's been deemed to be an offensive term.

[@Cinderbloom]

This. Plus dancing around the word makes it seem like the word is inherently bad, something to be ashamed of. It isn't.

[@memeju1ce]

disabled is not a dirty word! ❤

[@ferretyluv]

@ It’s not, but people are being taught that it is in colleges.

[@AeciusthePhilosopher]

19:00 on disability I'd like to recommend Tom Shakespeare's "Disability Rights and Wrongs" as reading for you Rob. Shakespeare distinguishes between Impairment (whatever your body can or can't do) vs Disability (how the setup of society might make that an actual hindrance or not.)

[@thearcanian5921]

As a level 1 Autistic who is currently on Disability, this is a very interesting distinction.

[@DLWormwood]

When you mentioned the future project you’re working on, I was thinking it sounded just like something Overly Sarcastic Productions would do. Then you said “pope fight”…

[@spam1138]

28:40 I think the most comparable historical example to Hitler's anti Semitism was Rome's view of the early Christians. Both viewed them as an intrusive minority who were not loyal enough to the nation/state.

[@whatyouknowboutme]

why not romes anti semitism?

[@killerlork]

​@@whatyouknowboutmebecause the Roman empire actually may have tolerated Judaism more than any other religion besides their own. The fact that Judaism was practiced in the empire without being assimilated into the state religion was actually really weird. This isn't to say that there wasn't anti-Semitism in the Roman Empire, but the Jews would have been seen as a sort of isolated group that didn't pose much threat to the overall order of the state.

[@killerlork]

That said, I don't think it's the best comparison, since there were actually plenty of non-persecuted people who would have identified as Christian in the Roman Empire long before the persecutions stopped, because Roman religion was actually fine with new gods being introduced. The issue lay in the Christians who rejected the traditional gods to focus solely on Christianity, as it was seen as them offending those gods

[@way2tired2]

History doesn't necessarily repeat but it definitely rhymes

[@oliviawilliams6204]

“Those who forget history….”

[@c.w.3042]

Thank you for being mindful of N*zi imagery in your videos. As you probably know N*zi imagery is highly illegal in Germany and most videos showing a lot of Swastikas and things of the sort are demonetized and banned in Germany. I love watching your videos and having them available is a great service to people in Germany!

[@Nate-bd8fg]

Is it still true most/all videogamss can't contain killing people? Like that robot version of wolfenstein?

[@fusel5883]

​@@Nate-bd8fg No that's not true at all.

[@ecurewitz]

Always wise to avoid that imagery

[@TheRedPharmacist]

Law wise, it should actually be OK in this context, but that tells you nothing about how KZbin will handel it and how long it would take to handel them.

[@SuperNova-so2cj]

The New Mexico State University yearbook was called The Swastika for a really long time, like from the schools founding till the 1980s when public pressure changed it

[@Valery0p5]

Went searching for it and they CASUALLY stopped using it between 1941 and 1945, only to resume immediately after 😂

[@MrZauberelefant]

The symbol is used world wide, also by native Americans, and the New Mexico NG Infantry Division was initially (in the 30s) using the swastika as their emblem.

[@user-bk2vk3xl5q]

ALL OF IT IS GOOD TO KNOW THIS IS WHY I CAN CITE YOU AS A SOURCE IN HISTORY. THANK YOU

[@crusaderanimation6967]

3:40 I think it can be shorten to "We want to make people think not tell them how to think"

[@Vaishino]

In the first episode the moustached Austrian man was described as a "committed Atheist" and when called out on it here the justification given is that he was critical of the church, stopped attending service, that it's heavily debated among scholars and that his contemporaries couldn't agree what the moustached Austrian man's religious beliefs even were. You even say he definitely held supernatural beliefs(while a picture of him next to the word "Atheist" is on screen no less). That doesn't sound very committed to me, doubly so when you factor in the outright opposition to atheism he practiced.

[@lubue5795]

I don't quite see how his supernatural beliefs clash with him possibly being an Atheist. An Atheist is, even today, only defined by denying the existence of god or gods, not that they categorically do not believe in anything supernatural. Besides, as the series often pointed out Adolf was not on board with the most extrem stuff that some of his followers believed. Furthermore, an important part to consider is that, at the time, these believes were not seen as faith but as a science. The whole point of the expeditions was after all to find proof for their claims and religion does really not require proof for their believes. Thus, people who believed the whole occultism stuff might very well consider themselves to be atheist, as to them it's not a religion but a science.

[@johnt3929]

@@lubue5795another case where the term atheist is contentious and very debatable. Many would say that you don’t need to deny the existence in a deity to be atheist, you just need to lack a belief in one.

[@Vaishino]

@@lubue5795 if all I had was the statement "clearly the moustached Austrian had supernatural beliefs" that might matter. The objection to calling him an atheist also contained the fact that he wrote about god a lot, referenced god a lot, and outlawed atheist organizations. A stark contrast to the claim they made way back in episode 1 about him being a "committed atheist." Also second commenter is right, your definition of Atheist isn't correct, but under it the moustached Austrian wouldn't count because he never rejected his Christian faith.

[@event-keystrim213]

I cannot help but see some strong personal motivation in how, despite it being irrelevant and impossible to prove for a fact, he was labeled as "an atheist" nonetheless

[@event-keystrim213]

@@lubue5795 well, sure, an atheist is one who does not believe in any god or gods, well, Adolf did say that he was saved by "god" (during WW1, that is) and also referenced god and the idea of him doing the "god's work" way too much to call him an atheist, and, in the context of occultism, him being an atheist would be irrelevant, thus: calling Adolf a "committed atheist" was, at the VERY LEAST unprofessional for a history/historical education focused channel

[@turbobus4983]

Austrian here: Austria today may be "super catholic" (as you say) in the sense that the culture is still very much intertwined with christian traditions. But I can assure you, that the vast majority of Austrians (even older generations) are only catholic on paper and not true believers.

[@killerlork]

It's the same in Ireland from my experience. Does the Catholic church in Austria have any special privileges that it leverages to get more people baptised? In Ireland a huge portion of the primary schools are controlled at least nominally by the church, and until quite recently were allowed to give priority to baptised kids when allocating places (which still happens, but they're not technically allowed anymore)

[@BattleF08]

I don't think many people would argue he was a practicing Christian that believed in any version of Christianity that we would recognize as such. But there's still a biiiiig gap between not believing mainstream organized Christianity, and being a non-believer of any God whatsoever. Tons of believers disagree with the Church or its message. The videos actively claimed him an Atheist. A claim I believe not considered evidently true.

[@dawn4383]

Yeah, I am fairly sure it actively called him "an atheist" while running on... No citation or backing for such a claim.

[@Pirate_Knight27]

I mean he called Christianity a religion not good enough for slaves in private letters and often looked down on religion in general

[@BattleF08]

@Pirate_Knight27 Sure. And so I am not claiming he was a Christian. But there is a difference between claiming that a certain religion is not good enough for your standards, and claiming you do not believe a God exists. The equivalent would be me claiming he was a Christian because he dismissed evolution as nonsense, spoke out against Darwinism, and had the Origin of Species banned and burned. It is good evidence that he was not an evolutionist. But not that he was therefore religious. Plenty of people are Christian, even in the field of Biology. And plenty of people that reject evolutionary science are not Christians. What the debate is, is not if he was a Christian or not. But if he was a Theist. A believer in some sort of Creator with a divine plan. Some sort of higher force or being. Or if he disbelieved in such a higher power. We know he was not a Christian as we would define it. Nor a fan of organized religion. We know he was not a Materialist, believing in science and that the physical world is all there is. We know he was no Evolutionist. The question is if he believed the Chosen People to be chosen by a higher power. If he believed the Providence for his people that he spoke of was divinely ordained. If he believed in a Creator. That appears to be the case. Making the claim he was an Atheist rather than a Theist requires actual evidence that he did not believe in a divine higher power. Not just that he disliked the teachings of Christianity.

[@dinotsar6396]

I think that was an okay label for the end of the first video, since going into the weeds may have been a rabbit hole that would’ve taken too long and ultimately been a side quest that distracted from the main point. I’m not aware of a singular label that would’ve been better. There should’ve been an asterisk in the video noting that in the main series, though, since it wasn’t entirely accurate even if it captured something about his skepticism of organized faith.

[@Pirate_Knight27]

@@dinotsar6396 You know, I think calling him "anti religion" is slightly more accurate than "atheist."

[@mrmr446]

Today it feels like the predominant faith of those who served in the Wehrmacht is largely brushed over historically, they were Christian and no less able to justify their deeds for it.

[@event-keystrim213]

for christians, justifying anything is easy, they just say "on all is god's will" and move on

[@justinchase6666]

Count emicho genocides the jews roughly 500 years ago. It's nothing new in Germany

[@MrZauberelefant]

@@event-keystrim213 The Wehrmacht (all branches) had "Gott mit uns" ("god with us") on their belt buckles. Germany was a 90% practicing Christian country.

[@event-keystrim213]

@@MrZauberelefant I know, I know, that is basically why I am saying that christianity brings 0 moral superiority, and, I also argue that, in fact, christianity only ever serves to justify evil, and not encourage good

[@thelordofcringe]

​@MrZauberelefant so strongly practicing that Germany could murder hundreds of priests to no public outcry! Such a fanatically christian country for sure!

[@NoSTs123]

My favourite part of the series.

[@MariaVosa]

Same. As much as I look forward to each new episode in a series - I look forward to the "lies" episode twice as much!

[@Yharim-the-Godseeker]

Hey, question for E.H. Are you gonna continue with extra mythology? I loved the story times about things like the wendigo and the giant gold digging ants.

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Saw a response from the E.H. team on another video saying that sadly the artist they employed for E.M. had departed, and so that channel's currently on hiatus. Like you, I really hope it returns in future as it's fascinating!

[@hansoskar1911]

the question of who counts as jewish under the nuremberg laws was intentionally vague bc if they made it more clear it could lead to too many people counting as jewish and then you just cerated yourself a bigger opposition.

[@MrZauberelefant]

They even debated this at the Wannsee conference, with some opposition from the Reichsminister of "Justice" to the SS plans - not because they didn't agree on the holocaust, but who counts as jewish enough

[@ferretyluv]

Just because you’re not the most pious doesn’t make you an atheist. That’s a pretty big lie.

[@SamBroadway]

A liar? Say it isn't so.... Dishonest politicians??? No way😅 This was a different type of series and I really enjoyed it

[@FUNBadTime]

It was a great series, I am very thankful for you covering a topic I didnt really have much knowledge about, besides the more popcultural Indiana Jones or Marvel depictions.

[@lukasbosina301]

On your sidetrip in the end: I am pretty close in age to you and recently I realized that my year of birth now is closer to the end of WW2 than to the present day.

[@crazycatdragon]

When the Covid vaccine first came out and people started with the 5G conspiracy a coworker and I started joking about how good our phones were going to be with us having 5G in us. After his first shot nothing changed so we joked about how it was only half and after his second shot he would have the whole 5G. It was nice to have someone who could joke about people

[@killerlork]

2.5 G per shot

[@LiteralTitle-sg6kj]

You guys are awesome! Congrats on the shiny Play Button! Greetings from germany

[@Alusnovalotus]

5:24 “This….. stuff”?!? Inhales: *Preparing an iconic Meryl Streep monologue*

[@davidtownsend6092]

Omg i LOVE freddie the 2nd. Hes frickin awesome im super pumped for that one. Im a historian but i focus on like. 500 to 1500 so i havent been this excited since eleanor. Ill know it all but you guys do so well i cant wait to see how you handle it vs jack rackham

[@bobojo6447]

Religion is a companion for the good, and a tool for the evil and ambitious. Religious manipulation is always one of the most upsetting things for me.

[@magnemoe1]

Got the ice moon idea from some alternate history book years ago, but nothing except one enemy believed in it.

[@studogable]

Lol on Cat Island. I did a short piece on the "Dogs of War" a while back and ran into that story. Very telling.

[@BobFrTube]

There's also "longtermism" which I see as a modern equivalent to eugenics with more than a little hubris. And transhumanism - our minds can be uploaded to the cloud. People with those beliefs are central to the new US administration.

[@HardCodedGaming]

Thank you for mentioning that you got your vaccines! Watching this on Sunday, that reminded me that I meant to get my own flu shots 😅

[@thecreativecontessa]

Yay, for the Pazzi conspiracy! How different history could have been...

[@Shantari]

Nice Raiders stuff in the background.

[@KyleRayner12]

I'm very annoyed that I can't get *Hitler's Monsters* through my library. It sounds fascinating. Another, semi-related recommendation: *Blitzed,* which covers the Reich's (and Hitler's) experiments with drugs, albeit not with an ideal amount of rigor.

[@tsinestexicthdauwraum9082]

What is the jingle at the very beginning from? Its so familiar.

[@SendyTheEndless]

13:28 What kind of person do you have to be to believe that dissecting a body condemns a soul to an infinite separation in distance and duration from goodness, yet still do it? Was there some kind of smug satisfaction in being this arbiter of fate, was it a power trip, or do you suppose they felt guilty?

[@kayemni]

Maybe they didn't really believe in it anymore at that point. The 18th century was specifically known for being the age of enlightenment and scientists at the time started to become less interested in God and all

[@William_atom0001]

Extra History never fails to tickle our booty cheeks everyday.

[@jeannebouwman1970]

Excuse me?

[@malegria9641]

@@jeannebouwman1970you heard him

[@changingpeopleslivesmoon2993]

and never fell to give us the hawk tuah

[@LangThoughts]

25:17 And then years later, you find that that has affected a former Axis power's pop-culture, given Von Stroheim in the Manga/Anime JJBA.

[@uria3679]

Sad that there was no Wolfenstein reference

[@Daniel24752]

You guys really whiffed the book burning segment by not talking about the burning of the sex institute

[@krono5el]

just when you thought abrahamic religions couldnt get much worse, no wonder the rest of the world was so far ahead in medicine compared to the middle east and europe.

[@StephtheGD]

19:33 Disabled is not a bad word. Listen to what people in the disability community are telling you.

[@event-keystrim213]

I feel like "X word is not a slur, listen to what the X community tells you" can be said about oh-so-many words, and, of course, you are correct

[@soapsatellite]

Only time I can recall disabled being a worse word for its substitute is the DL (disabled list) in baseball, which was changed a few years ago to the IL (injured list) because the use of "disabled" had changed in the century since the concept of the DL/IL was made and "injured" actually fits what most players are put on the list for. It happened with little pushback.

[@killerlork]

As someone who identifies as disabled, it sounded to me more like he was apologising and explaining why he used the term that he did, rather than justifying it.

[@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj]

"Drawing parallels between 1930s Germany and 2020s American would not be appropriate." Every single item that follows is an exact analog to current America....

[@palehorseman8386]

Only if you see the Democrats as the baddies

[@woodduck2178]

​@@palehorseman8386Their are always the oblivious ones. You are one of them.

[@bicker31]

@@woodduck2178 One would hope studying history would help you understand the severely toxic and dangerous elements of both political parties. This video exemplifies many of those attributes - watch where he walks on eggshells with what he says. You are also oblivious.

[@fruitylerlups530]

The most bipartisan motions tend to be Authoritarian and Corporatist in nature ​@@bicker31

[@MrZauberelefant]

Just noticing the 40k literature in the background.

[@palldjurhuusjacobsen8794]

Just finished assasinorum kingmaker

[@frankharr9466]

I love me some lies. That's good to know. Thank you.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Always look forward to your videos! EH IS BEST CHANNEL 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@egospice]

"It's really upsetting. I really want to do an episode on it." hmmm

[@cykratzer3463]

...the swastika, as I was told, represented the universe revolving on a central axis.

[@Fabio-Jose-DragonKing]

THANKS For this Guys! Love this part😊😊❤❤❤❤

[@michaeljebbett160]

"Hear me out...Aryans."

[@StrickerRei-Chn]

0:16 a Hong Kong Apartment?

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Great content! You guys never dissapoint! Hearth please ❤❤❤❤❤

[@SendyTheEndless]

9:19 Hmmmmmmm 🤔

[@randyreese6413]

Did you know that in the very beginning the X-Files were called “Robert DiNero’s X-Files”??

[@Vaishino]

Typo in the description! Can *you* find it?

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Amazing work as always! You're the Best 😊😊😊❤❤❤

[@KasumiRINA]

5:35 Using MODERN Bundeswehr emblem tho? Why not X like Charlie Chaplin or something...

[@Utgp-o1z]

can you talk about Hungarian history

[@funkychunkgaming9738]

Quesrion EH. Why do you guys release a series then release a series going on about lies you told in the videos? Shoulsnt you make sure whats in your videos arent lies first?

[@huskadog7748]

Its clickbait, its really mistakes

[@mathieulefo6658]

They have also stated that a lot of this "lies" series is used for clarifications and nuances that might get lost or would not fit in the flow of the story

[@GrantGraff]

​@@huskadog7748It's less clickbait and more of an oversimplification. Which is what lies is about

[@MsZeeZed]

Most corrected errors in the ‘Lies’ episodes are due to miscommunications with animators under time pressure. Otherwise it’s a commentary on how difficult it is to condense incidents in history down to 8 minute episodes and still be accurate. A long story in History is always closer to the truth and ‘Lies’ contains the more complicated stories and digressions that there were no time for.

[@pixymisa777]

This is what I always wondered. Just… do better research in the first place?

[@sarahwatts7152]

Dynasty. Wow.

[@godlaydying]

"Atheist" doesn't mean "not a Christian".

[@موسى_7]

???

[@ferretyluv]

And you can be Christian and not a “true believer.”

[@soapsatellite]

​@@موسى_7 Atheists don't believe in any religion, Christian or otherwise. You can be a non-believer in Christianity and atill be religious.

[@SavageGreywolf]

Re: mustache man praising Luther: Luther's writings are also virulently antisemitic.

[@GHoPLAYZ69420]

Yikes 12 hours😢

[@IamthebarivarivonYouTube]

Hello!keep it up

[@Emanon...]

I'd go a bit further and say that "Jewishness" is an umbrella term for culture, religion and/or ethnicity, where ethnicity is extremely dubious, as you'd find many that identify as non-Jews with more "Jewish ancestry" according to the genetic clusters that are associated with Jewish groups around the world. The problem is that the entire discipline is politicised due to the claims of the Israeli state. If you find my writing problematic, this is purely from a scientific point of view, but with respect to real consequences in our world.

[@bomoose]

just because your grandfather was a jew, that does not make you jewish

[@MrZauberelefant]

"The problem is that the entire discipline is politicised due to the claims of the Israeli state" I think that the Nuremberg Laws were more impactful on the perception, and the racial antisemitism of the 1800s before that. Especially given the ethnic diversity of Israel

[@christopherlowe2291]

Saying "disabled" or "the disabled" would have been hugely problematic saying "disabled people" (identity 1st) or "people with disabilities" (person or individual 1st) which are the generally accepted terms within the anglophone disability rights and disability justice communities would not have. Here in Ireland for example disabled people is becoming more common but people with disabilities used to be the dominant term, while in the UK disabled people has been the preferred term for decades.

[@ferretyluv]

Identity first. The only people who push “people with disabilities” are the politically correct non-disabled family members or academics trying to score points. Stop trying to obfuscate the truth with euphemisms. There is nothing wrong with adjectives.

[@bthsr7113]

Plaque looks good, hoping you move to Canada or somewhere else relatively safe soon.

[@palehorseman8386]

If you think Canada, you haven't been paying attention

[@bthsr7113]

@@palehorseman8386 Safer than being in territory controlled by the CCP. And in the coming four years, safe is going to be a very relative term, as American economic and foreign policy will know no minimum safe distance.

[@event-keystrim213]

moving to Canada with their current house market is insane

[@bthsr7113]

Canada is relatively safe compared to pooh's Hong Kong

[@heathersmith336]

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[@EGSBiographies-om1wb]

190th

[@SATURNthe2ndgasgiant]

Wow I'm very early

[@epg96]

France was pathetic during WW II. France could've won WW II if they deployed/hired Miraculous kids aged 12-14 with their kwamis such as Plagg, Tikki, Sass, Trixx, Wayyz, Pollen, Barkk, Nooroo, Duusuu, etc to fight against the Wehrmacht or Waffen-SS in the Ardennes. The Austrian painter would be totally mad his entire military got destroyed by a group of 12-14 yo French magical boys & magical girls

[@Pekoe.]

u can't be fr

[@tonysladky8925]

​@@Pekoe.I assume it's a bit, but I don't know what the reference is, so I can't be certain.

[@Catalyst375]

@@tonysladky8925 Apparently, it's a reference to Miraculous Ladybug, but I don't get why they feel the need to make such a nonsensical post in the first place. It wouldn't even be accurate since, according to the wiki, the Kwamis were actively being pursued by the Reich for their power, and they fled France during the War. Again, the post and its contents being made on this video are nonsensical, to begin with. They're probably just a troll fishing for engagement.

[@موسى_7]

Malaysia wouldn't have been colonised had Ochobot arrived with the power watches before the arrival of the British, and the Native Americans would not have suffered from genocide if the Omnitrix landed in Yellowstone national park in the year 1005.

[@tylerainsworth4542]

Swaztika originates in Eurasia with Modern Europeans and Central/North Asians

[@umang3227]

No swastika is everywhere. Even in Africa and Indus valley civilization you can find it

[@watchm4ker]

It's broadly believed to have resulted from sightings of a spiral comet, which would have been visible across a broad swath of the globe.

[@tortellinideal4046]

:)

[@dragonpon727]

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[@Dog-LoL.]

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