Nazis Go Fascist Hunting - War Against Humanity 079 - September 25, 1943

[@WorldWarTwo]

Join the TimeGhost Army: bit.ly/WAH_077_PI Thanks to Spartacus' recording commitments for our D-Day extravaganza in Normandy, we had to move the upload of last week's installment of this series. We are therefore doing a double upload of both War Against Humanity 079 and War Against Humanity 080 today. The two episodes are also very much connected, telling the story of how Denmark's Jews faced the sudden wrath of Nazi persecution. Before commenting, please check out the rules of conduct which apply to this comment section: community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518

[@JagerLange]

I was confused as heck for a minute as I saw two different "new" WaH episodes, with the same upload time but with different dates. Oh well, double the "fun" today.

[@F_Tim1961]

Cephalonia and Corfu may have been atrocities but this sort of thing also happened to Italian units fighting with the Germans in Russia and Ukraine. Given this is post Sept 23rd, 1943 it is mostly Ukraine. Individual German commanders had to work out what to do. Sometimes the Italians were disarmed and shipped back to Germany for labour . In other cases they were disarmed and shot. The Italians had no separate communications so they were blindsided with the decision of the Italian government. Most of these mass graves are unmarked and the locals simply don't care to differentiate between the two types of invader.

[@maciejkamil]

Evil destroys not only it's enemies or even those who are neutral, but it will also turn against people were helping it before. This episode shows it perfectly, by talking about how Germans treated Italian soldiers after surrender of Italy. We must never forget this - since it is a very valuable lesson.

[@adamhbrennan]

Case in point: the “Nero Order”

[@Shauma_llama]

When I was reading about WW II as a youngster in the 70s, hardly any of this was mentioned. Thanks for filling in the gaps the books of the day ignored or glossed over.

[@ToddSauve]

A lot of it had not even been gleaned in the 1970s. People had the memories etched in their minds but the official records had not yet been made available to historians. So much of WW2 history from the 1960s and 70s was very poorly researched and written for these reasons. The best WW2 historians will tell you not to trust anything written before about the year 2000. So much classified material has come out of places like the British archives at Kew since then that it has rendered what historians thought they knew to be suppositions and sometimes pure nonsense.

[@caryblack5985]

@@ToddSauve You can't just say don't believe anything before 2000. Yes we know much more and we change some of what we thought but you don't throw out everything. It is important to realize we now know more and some things have changed considerably but you don't ignore everything before a certain date. You just have to use some of the writings with caution especially memoirs.

[@ToddSauve]

@@caryblack5985 Hi Cary, what I am referring to is mostly the D Day and subsequent campaign material. Since 2000 a lot of Enigma and Ultra material has been made public and it reveals what mistakes the Allies and Axis made in Normandy and other areas. For instance, the Canadians were made to wear the horns for Falaise not turning out the way some historians claimed it should have. Well, lo and behold, the Canadian army in Normandy wasn't even given vital information for a critical 8 hour period after all the other Allied commands in Normandy were. There are a lot of "little details" like this that historians are finding now that debunk claims made by certain historians, and that were accepted as indisputable truth until these last few decades. And Soviet history has been largely locked up once again because it is too embarrassing for Moscow to cope with.

[@caryblack5985]

@@ToddSauve True although what I was saying was some of what was written was foundational and remains necessary. We learn more as time goes on and this is true of all history not just WWII.

[@caryblack5985]

Just to add it seemed to me what you were saying seemed too sweeping in my opinion.

[@whywhat9018]

Sadly whilst this was going on, my own great uncle Bill was suffering in a Japanese run Prisoner of War camp. He came home after the war, a shadow of his former self. Lost so much weight, he was just skin and bones. Sadly he passed away not long after the war ended.

[@timmmahhhh]

I'm sorry your uncle and so many others had to go through so much. Thank you for sharing how history affected you and your family.

[@whywhat9018]

@@timmmahhhh You're welcome and thank you for the message.

[@Mondo762]

Can you tell us how he was captured?

[@CannibaLouiST]

How old was he when he passed away?

[@whywhat9018]

@@Mondo762 During the capture of Singapore I believe

[@gunman47]

Thank you for the back to back episodes today team. One episode a week is a lot to take in already, but cramming both episodes does give me a lot to think about. The Germans seem to be getting more vicious the more the war is turning against them. Never forget.

[@brokenbridge6316]

What the Germans did to their former Italian allies was just terrible. Wow. Something that should never be forgotten.

[@manuelapollo7988]

Great work as always! In Italy we struggle to create an accepted narration of the war and there is some embarassment of talking about our army in WW2. For me it is not clearly explained that the Resistance against the nazism was not a leftish movement, but it started from that sector of the society that firstly experienced the lies of the regime: the soldiers in the army. I believe the soldiers who did not surrender saved the dignity and the memory of our country. But in Italy only a few think so.

[@olseneudezet1]

I was wondering how Italians perceive Antonio Gandin when watching this, definitely a hero in my eyes

[@cortomaltese1203]

@@olseneudezet1 i don't think Gandin is a hero but more of a tragic figure. Because he was a germanophile he hesitate to give orders against the Germans even after his soldiers and officers vote to resist. When the fight begin on the island, although italians had superiority, there wasn't a central italian command and the units acted independently. When Gandin decided to give orders it was too late. Amos Pampaloni was the real hero.

[@tomgjgj]

You're forgetting the leftist soldiers who managed to escape capture and joined the partisans, like my grandfather.

[@USSLIBERTYREMEMBERER]

@@tomgjgj Based

[@JdeMonster]

Could you guys do an episode on the Italian soldiers who joined the Greek resistance? I would imagine the two camps weren't thrilled to work with each other considering their past history but it seems to be an interesting case of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

[@federicosbetta1368]

I think there was recognition that they were just conscripts, the true fascist believers were some officers like Gandin and the blackshirts units, those didn't join the resistence for sure. The soldiers that got captured were moved into yugoslavia and then they formed italian units into the yugoslavian liberaton army called "brigate garibaldi". Consider also that in cefalonia and corfù there had not been much fighting before september 1943 and soldiers were encouraged to integrate with locals, so there had been just minor clashes and probably a lot of contacts and negotiations already.

[@gianniverschueren870]

Thanks so much for continuing to put effort into this series

[@ToddSauve]

A friend who passed away several years ago grew up on a Slovenian farm during WW2. His family hid SOE agents and Jews, and the Nazis suspected them heavily but could never catch them red handed. As Peter told me, if they had been caught the entire family would have been shot, small children like him included. Peter was only about 6 years old when the war ended but his memories of WW2 were crystal clear. He told me that three towns and villages in his area of Slovenia had been razed to the ground by SS police units. I don't know which units these were. Usually the SS were identified by division but in Slovenia there were SS police units that did the dirty work for Hitler and Himmler. Peter despised Nazis to his dying day, but had a friend who had been in the Hermann Goring Division as a teenager at the end of the war. They all got along famously. My church has had some really interesting people in it! 👌😏💘

[@573998]

I live in Serbia and to this day we'll never forget or forgive what the Nazis did.

[@thilgu]

You got revenge on those evil Fascist Croats and Bosnians during the 90's didn't you? Turboserbs war criminal nation still harbouring the war criminals.

[@aboomination897]

@@gerryhouska2859 So?

[@ar494]

Welcome back Sparty. Even though your subject matter is so heavy, it is welcomed to have more as it is needed ever more and more in the 21st century.

[@KatyAndTheKats784]

This is one of the few times where I'm actually sad that I don't get ads before a video, because the ad revenue that you guys get is currently the only way that I'm able to support the channel

[@rogersmith7396]

Ah those Nazis. You can always count on them as a friend indeed.

[@weltvonalex]

Imagine how the war would have went if they had fought as hard as they hunted and killed their helpless victims. Fuck Nazis criminals

[@Jargolf86]

Betray your Friends and they become your worst Enemys :)

[@jeffreyflynn5841]

I wish the WAH series was a required course in schools. As hard as it is to see this week after week everyone should learn what mankind is capable of when we forget our humanity and blindly follow our leaders Never forget

[@derrickthewhite1]

Amazingly, its too long. at 15 minutes a video, 52 weeks in a year, and six years, even with the slow pace of the early episodes, it would be too much to watch in a class. Yep, you've signed up to watch that much world war II atrocity content. And the regular episodes are more material.

[@archerstown]

The insane amount of documentation the Nazis did makes me sick but also thankful that we have these details. It helps us learn from the past and show irrefutable evidence to anyone who may doubt the events that occurred.

[@thelordofcringe]

What's even more disturbing is how many people refuse to believe their own eyes. "No. You can't trust anything the nazis made! It's all lies meant to trick you!"

[@indianajones4321]

Well done Spartacus. Never forget.

[@wekurtz72]

I say it every video, but this is the best channel on KZbin. Thanks for everything. I think I have to go watch Band of Brothers now.

[@alex4863]

One can argue, WW2 went from a massive war to pure anarchy when Italy falls and Germany starts latching out on Italy.

[@michaelgreen1515]

I have spent the last 22 campaigning for humanity! I currently find myself like many in this episode having to join a different group in the hope I can persue my aims, for this reason I have not been able to watch much recently and hope to catch up while I hope I can find a new way to serve humanity. Until I start a new, I want to remind all of us of a common truth we humans need each other to love and care for each other: Never Forget❣

[@halahala6425]

This was beautifully written. Thanks Spartacus!

[@danielgreen3715]

Thanks Sparty and Team once again..

[@mrnygren2]

The Italians tried to save themselves by surrendering and the Germans would have none of it.. They would have been better off fighting to the death like the Japanese did because the Japanese were told that the Americans would do to them what the Germans were actually doing to surrendering Italians. Also, Hitler must have been vengeful after Italy gave away its entire fleet to the Allies without a fight at the surrender. So they helped the Allies a lot by not fighting them and allowing them to reach Italy. That fleet of Italy was intact at the surrender and it wasn't of bad quality. Hitler could have used it to keep the Allies in Africa.

[@ladyofthesith1943]

I don't know about that, Allied naval assets were overwhelming by this stage of the war. Even if the Italian Navy did fight on they would have just ended up at the bottom of the ocean, and it's debatable how much of an impact they would have had on the Sicily landings.

[@mrnygren2]

@@ladyofthesith1943 Well, they would have at least delayed the inevitable.

[@WarblesOnALot]

@@mrnygren2 G'day, Actually, as I understand it, lots of the Italian Fleet was sunk at it's Moorings in Taranto, during the night of the rampaging Swordfish...; and by 1943 when Italy started waving White Flags their Air Farce had no Avgas, their Army had no Benzene, nor Diesel or Kerosene, and the Navy had no Bunker Oil... So, no, what was left of the Italian Fleet was purely Ornamental...; the Maritime equivalent of Aircraft which were relegated to the status of "Hangar Queens" due to lack of Avgas... Fascists, like Nazis, could not ACTUALLY efficiently organise to supply any Military Force which they managed to build up - after it moved more than a days' march away from the Barracks where it was based in Peacetime. Rather like Vladimir Putin's Occupational Farce currently running back towards Russia's Borders as we type - after having run short of all the Logistical Support required to make Waaauugh(!) on the neighbouring Nation...; Dictatorshits are, happily thus, inherently and automatically self-sabotaging. Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

[@Jargolf86]

@@WarblesOnALot sounds like a Majorkill Fan :>

[@thecommentaryking]

@@WarblesOnALot You understand it really wrong. Taranto saw just 3 battleships being damaged, with only an old one being beavily damaged and never brought back in service. While the other two battleships were brough back into service respectively after 4 and 7 months of repairs. During the raid just 3 others ships (a cruiser and two destroyers were damaged). The Regia Aeronautica still had fuel, as did the Regio Esercito. The situation of the Regia Marina was more dire but it is false saying that they had no bunker oil. Err no, the Italian fleet up until 1943 was very active, especially with the smaller vessels (light cruisers and destroyers), though battleships and cruisers were still avaiable with enough fuel to scramble for some last operations. So was the Regia Aeronautica that operated up until the declaration of surrender.

[@halahala6425]

The 19 out of 800 graph felt especially poignant. Jesuschrist! Never forget

[@Medytacjusz]

The subjective accounts, like the one of Haïm Vidal Siphiha, are the ones that hit the hardest, because they allow us to put ourselves in others' shoes, as much as it is possible, to experience a glimpse of the bewilderment, the disbelief, the shock as the horrific and unimaginable reality clashes with what humans normally perceive life to be about. To understand all the defence mechanisms that the brain desperately employs to protect its own sanity against the insane world, the last scraps of hope to be ground down by the cold inevitability of the industrial extermination machine.

[@iamnolegend483]

The inhumanity humans impose on fellow humans is incredible.

[@teddymcfail4359]

Great video!

[@hannahskipper2764]

Oh my, I get to make up two WAH episodes right before bed. Oh boy... Never forget.

[@TrickiVicBB71]

Back to back episodes. Time to strap in

[@chriscarbaugh3936]

I never knew this, as a fairly well educated arm chair historian I thank you for bringing this to my attention. What an insane story!

[@HazelnutPohl]

Great Video as always!

[@Leonard-td5rn]

The Germans wery supposed to be happy that Italy changed side 4:00

[@christopherseivard8925]

Thanks for the history. This knowledge must be known.

[@draganbanic5381]

Germans were real experts when it came to executions especially if it had vengeful ingredient to it.

[@welcometonebalia]

Never forget. Thank you.

[@ajnboilerup]

WWE Hall of Famer Bruno Samartino gave a story around this time as a child, his family was taken by the nazis and almost killed. Luckily for him and his family, they luckily survived.

[@oneshotme]

Enjoyed your video so I gave it a Thumbs Up

[@salty4496]

A comment to show my support for the channel, and to help with it's algorithm

[@olseneudezet1]

I have never heard of the Cephalonia massacre, 5000 murdered - this is a quarter of the Katyn massacre victims!

[@weltvonalex]

Wait till you hear of the real big killings the Nazis did. 5k are rookie numbers for nazis.

[@bluestar7023]

Two WAH episodes in one day 15 minutes apart? What is going on?

[@gunman47]

There wasn't an upload last week for the WAH series, so that is why there are two episodes today.

[@bluestar7023]

@@gunman47 Ahh gotcha, thanks

[@gmnotyet]

Italy vs Germany sounds like a World Cup final.

[@user-dl1bs6lm1g]

Unfortunately, those days are long gone. 2 WC misses in a row.

[@Warmaker01]

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

[@MBP1918]

This who entire war was so unfortunate

[@MoreMiles2Go]

I just have to watch this. Never forget.

[@frederikbjerre427]

You got some problems with the push and pay button. I've just tried it, used the code and was asked to do it again and again and gave up. Anyway, another great video, thank you for your enlightening and educational videos.

[@gefilte86]

'Clean Wermacht'.

[@demmenhavvags6385]

The Germans would have done this whether they were winning or not.

[@davidbocquelet-dbodesign]

captain corelli's mandolin anyone ?

[@kidmohair8151]

all I can do is echo... never forget. never again.

[@thebigm7558]

I really pity the common italian solder. Being force into a war you couldn't win because of poor leadership and horrible equipment. Being allied to a regime that blamed you for their mistakes and shortcommings. And when the armastice gives a glips of hope, you get hunted down like an animal. And years later your legacy is getting mocked by idiots who know next to nothing about your struggle

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

Excellent introducing

[@johngibbons2858]

Never Forget Never Again

[@patrickfreeman8257]

I fear that even a dozen movies like Schindler's List couldn't adequately cover all the atrocities that were committed during that time. And that the hearts of audiences would soon grow hard enough so that they'd no longer want to hear the truth

[@StrangerOman]

Never forget.

[@issacbrott3336]

This guy is the scion of articulate...

[@shoominati23]

NO, I - AM Sparticus!!

[@spartacus-olsson]

I assure you… you are not.

[@shoominati23]

@@spartacus-olsson Actually, when I was younger and combed my hair down I used to be told I beared more than a passing resemblance to Brutus - He was the first one to successfully try diplomacy with Caesar ...

[@spartacus-olsson]

@@shoominati23I’d say that you’re better off with that, considering he fared a better fate than my namesake…

[@cormacsheedy3522]

My god shocking what occurred to the italians a country completely shattered .

[@Mfields4517]

Wonder how dying by Allied naval mines is a human tragedy for Italian POWs bu just fine for Germans

[@danielwasse2585]

Can’t say I feel too sorry for those Italian soldiers. It’s very possible many of them had committed war crimes in Ethiopia, e.g., executing prisoners, using poison gas on soldiers and civilians, cutting off the heads of prisoners, operating concentration camps, etc. None of these soldiers (including Marshal Graziani) were ever tried for these crimes after the war so if some of them received “justice” via the Nazis I can’t feel too sorry for them.

[@moonknightish]

The Acqui division did not serve in Ethiopia.

[@Leonard-td5rn]

Many innocent Italians were killed after surrendering by the partisans who never held trials and just wanted to get rid of anti Communists

[@balancedactguy]

Spartacus...can you comment on the fate of some of these Monsters you mention here, like Best,, or any others who were responsible for rounding Up and Deporting Jews? Did they ever face justice of any kind after the war?

[@spartacus-olsson]

I will cover that when it happens. I can tell you now though that Best managed to talk himself out of the worst of it because of what happens next (watch the next episode to see what). It took until the 1980s until German prosecutors had finally amassed a case against him, but he died of natural causes briefly before the trial was to begin.

[@merlinwizard1000]

28th, 2 October 2022

[@alexamerling79]

Clean Wehrmacht my ass

[@josephgraham4531]

Every army in ww2 did awful things let's not start please

[@modest_spice6083]

Yep. All those people trying to water down the atrocities of the Wehrmacht can follow them to fucking hell.

[@caryblack5985]

@@josephgraham4531 All sides were dirty to some extent but some were much dirtier than others and I think you know who I mean.

[@alexamerling79]

@@josephgraham4531 I'm talking to all those who say the Holocaust was only done by the SS.

[@IceAxe1940]

@@josephgraham4531 Oh yeah the U.S. Army had entire death Squads to find Jews and communists to report them for the Waffen SS in WWII....Oh wait that was the German Army!!!!

[@vanpaul147]

Spared the Roman Catholics

[@sigurdueland5194]

Finland didn’t give up their yews did they?

[@colinmerritt7645]

Nope, plenty of trees in Finland.

[@billalexander8011]

I don't know why the Germans didn't just leave the Italian troops on those islands. Seems like German effort would have been better spent elsewhere.

[@yulee3266]

It would have

[@WorldWarTwo]

Something you might say of most (all) Germany‘a effort in this war… including starting it 😉

[@milotura6828]

“Silence fascist” says the Fascists to the other Fascists.

[@DeandreSteven]

Title confuses me

[@reginabillotti]

Hopefully the video made it clear

[@matthewdunham1689]

The Italians got what you get when you side with fascists. A shallow grave. Easy to understand.

[@willyreeves319]

the nazis were not fascist neither was Japan. Italy and Spain were and their allies painted with the same broad brush in our propaganda.

[@derrickthewhite1]

The Italian Dictatorship of Mussolini really leaned into the word "Fascism", embracing the Fasces as a symbol. The National Socialist Party, while taking many elements and strategies from the Italian Fascists, did not make much use of the term, but outsider observers noted the similarities and grouped the movements together, using the name of the first movement: that is, the Italian one. Several other European states also had similar groups that rose to power or attempted to using the Italian Fascist's tactics. The Nazis are actually fairly atypical among Fascist movements. So in the title, the "Fascists" refers to the Italian troops who were up until recently perusing the Fascist Agenda of the leader of the Italian Fascist Party, and the "Nazis" are the German troops perusing the Nazi agenda of the leader of the German Nazi Party. If you're watching this video and haven't seen timeghost's between two wars series, you should watch it. Its fairly short, and it goes over these movements, and helps you distinguish between "Nazis" and "Fascists" in a WWII context. It also helps you understand Fascism in general, including its tactics and modus operandi, which is large part of what makes it dangerous.

[@conceptalfa]

👍👍👍

[@carlguile2856]

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🙏🏼.

[@carlguile2856]

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🙏🏼

[@finlayfraser9952]

Surely the Italian soldiers could have fought to the death rather than meekly allowing themselves to be murdered?

[@rafradeki]

The italian command simply did not exist. The units were without orders. They did not know what to do and were pressured by the germans

[@nastypiglosi1788]

If they knew they would be executed

[@aboomination897]

Big words from a small dude

[@Condobius]

It’s not like the Italians knew they were going to be treated so harshly by their former comrades in arms

[@samwill7259]

I mean, I SUPPOSE less fascists in the world is always a good thing. Not that the Nazis get any kind of credit for this

[@Durahan82]

Germany always had the worst allies in the World Wars.

[@Homeschoolsw6]

Britain's allies (Poland, Holland, Belgium) made it so Britain had to enter both World Wars To protect their rights. And make money.

[@Carewolf]

No, they didn't because THEY were the worst ally.

[@brickproduction1815]

The Italians could have fought back. They got guns and whatnot. They could have fought for their lives! The Germans are literally outnumbered

[@spartacus-olsson]

They did… that’s how it began. As i said they lost that fight with four times as many casualties. And they were by the way not in numerical superiority.

[@brickproduction1815]

@@spartacus-olsson sorry I was speaking in anger

[@deshaun9473]

I really appreciate and admire your work. Having said that, I'm still bothered by your use of the word "Nazi" instead of referring to the aggressors as German. In my view you're doing the same as modern day Poland is doing: shifting blame for the Shoah to the Nazi Party, as if the Nazi Party alone was responsible for the atrocities, and not the German people. The name of the country who commited the atrocities, whether the British Empire, Japan, or Germany, should be named not the name of the government. Anything else borders on Historical Revisionism.

[@romulus3345]

Hitler, Stalin, Mao = Socialists. Blame the Socialists.

[@matthewdunham1689]

LOL you don't have to wear a uniform or carry a gun to be a Nazi. The German people were responsible for what their government did. They loved Hitler like a god. They got what they deserved in the end, same for the Italians and Japanese. They all got off easy in my opinion.

[@victorleser6413]

All of them "loved Hitler like a god"? Really, where is the evidence for all of them , like for Jewish Germans?

[@josephgraham4531]

@@matthewdunham1689 are you an american

[@matthewdunham1689]

@@josephgraham4531 absolutely