NB Transition: Changes on Low-Dose Testosterone

low-dose T resources:
www.neutrois.me/
www.janitorquee...
photos of me pre-testosterone:
androgyneity.tu...

[@DarkxStars]

im so glad you talked abt the genital growth, bc i feel not a lot of nb talk abt it. i want everything that comes with T or don't care abt most of the things (like body hair idc, deeper voice hella want etc) except for the genital growth bc i just feel like its going to make me really dysphoric and i wonder if you experienced any of that down there after taking T? (you don't have to answer if its too personal)

[@xbduf4gb]

The clitoris grows a little. Just a bit more prominent than usual. The labia lose their fat and become thinner.

[@xbduf4gb]

If you don’t want clitoral growth then don’t go on testosterone. Otherwise that is what you will get. The degree of growth varies from individual to individual.

[@abbydunham1403]

You can also do vocal training to make your voice deeper!

[@yian95954]

@@xbduf4gb You can go on T and finnaside to avoid bottom growth.

[@kaepeterman5021]

I know it’s been 5 years, but like the one person said T and a DHT blocker will prevent genital growth. You can do a pretty low dose of finasseries and still get most of the other changes (though varies by genetics which is why I won’t say all).

[@facelessmortal9621]

I want to have some more masculine features, but I’m also afraid of growing facial hair, not being able to hit those high notes anymore (because that was a pride of mine back when I was in choir) even though having a deeper voice would be pretty cool, and getting a higher sex drive (I wonder if going on even low-dose T will change the fact that I’m on the ace spectrum, or if it will only just make me want to masturbate more, idk). The only things I really want are a flat chest, broad shoulders, a more defined jawline, and a voice that can go lower when I want it to, which I suppose could be done without the help of T (like top surgery, exercise, and voice training).

[@broodjebakpao1994]

Not a trans, but I'm a male on TRT. Trust me when I tell you working out won't make you masculine if you don't have much testosterone.

[@matheohno]

broodjebakpao1994 I’m Non-Binary afab I have I guess much testosterone for a biological female like more than a usual biological female but not that much as a biological male that’s why I have much hair on my Body which I’m proud of . My voice was pretty high but I kinda trained my voice on my one I can speak now a bit deeper than before. And i would get top surgery but I wouldn’t take testosterone.

[@makaiawarfield1028]

@@broodjebakpao1994 100% agree with this. I'm AFAB and my job for a couple years had basically been to do cardio and weight lifting for up to 10 hours a day, and even though I definitely got in shape and lost some extra fat, my body still looked as feminine as it ever had. I'm planning on starting T (and hopefully finasteride) next month, so we'll see what (if anything) changes....

[@SpecialBlanket]

Everyone commenting saying they want change X but not change Y-- if change Y would be a dealbreaker, DO NOT GO ON T. You CANNOT PICK YOUR CHANGES.

[@georgiefey8510]

This is so so informative and perfect info for what I’m considering to do as someone who is nonbinary and afab. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences!

[@BrightStarCat]

Ngl i kinda shat myself when i finally noticed the akira poster in the bg, but all that aside good video

[@user-mp3jh4cv6l]

Your hair looks nice

[@ghostlyjoy3262]

thank you so much for sharing this. I'm thinking about starting my nonbinary hormone journey next year and it makes it less scary to know there are others who have done the same thing

[@xbduf4gb]

grabnok don’t take anabolic steroids. You will look male. Unless that’s what you want

[@Foolscard]

Being nonbinary and interested in low dose T got really confusing but but video was so helpful! I do have one question. What sort of process do I need to go through to get low dose T covered/ accepted by doctors? I've head about people going to therapists first and getting diagnosed with gender dysphoria, which gives them an 'ok' for T, but I'm afraid they'll think I'm not 'trans enough' to take it. I'm just really just really uncertain about what steps I should be takings of get T. Thanks so much!

[@chiwong7108]

if you're truly non-binary then you don't need external hormones. If you do, you're a woman.

[@mclovinthewalrus2375]

Just lift weights like a motafuker and take boron supplements. its will free up unusable testosterone and will become usable.

[@SugarCubesMiki]

Chi Wong "true non binary " dude ... You cant police people identities

[@mothboy420]

I'm sorry nobody's replies were helpful

[@oliviaplumb8958]

aobapup yikes I’m sorry. Late reply (keep in mind I’m no expert lol) but I would suggest seeing a gender therapist and then you can talk with them and weigh your options. Whatever the case is, it can’t hurt to try and it might at least help you to have a professional to talk to about what’s going on. Hope this helped!

[@osbickb8011]

nice! thanks for this video, i see a lot of nb folks mentioning low dose t, but never what the actual dose is.. as in my country endocrinologists don't have much experience with this kind of hrt, that is a precious piece of info to have! oh, and i have a question: how much and how fast did your voice drop? and is it still dropping? xoxo (btw your hair looks gorgeous!)

[@CircleATattoo]

+osbick B it dropped pretty fast over the course of the first 3 months, but i think it might still be dropping. i should probably post a video of me talking before T but i'll have to dig through my old hard drive for that at some point

[@osbickb8011]

oh it'd be awesome if you could do this some day! tks

[@IncompetentDomino]

+Lane S I'd totally be interested in hearing a recording of your voice pre T (as long as you're comfortable with it) I'm also nonbinary and transitioning physically for an indeterminate length of time... needless to say, doesn't seem to be that many resources around this. I'm contemplating keeping some sort of video/text diary, even though it'd be pretty boring to read, just because I appreciate every nonbinary person out there that shares their transition publicly online, and I know that someone out there might feel the same.

[@xbduf4gb]

There isn’t a magic dose that is a low dose. The goal of testosterone therapy in FTM trans people is to achieve an adult male blood serum level. Taking a “low dose” is experimental. It is trial and error as to the physical effects on a low dose. There is also a risk of osteoporosis because testosterone suppresses oestrogen which is fine at a full dose because testosterone is better for bones. But a low dose could result in not enough testosterone or oestrogen to build and maintain bone structure.

[@umyeahashleigh]

this video is super helpful, thank you! :) x

[@quinngarrison4813]

Would you be able to make a video about identifying as Androgyne, what this means to you, how you arrived at the conclusion that you identified with that label and how it interacts with the other aspects of your gender identity that you have mentioned in previous videos i.e Neutrois or Gender fluid (if you still feel an affinity with those terms)? I have always strongly identified with the way that you describe your gender and am currently struggling to find other Androgyne identified people with whom to cross reference my own experience. This would be super helpful and very much appreciated.

[@xbduf4gb]

Quinn Garrison There are a lot of androgynous people around. You also have historical reference points like the androgynous flappers in the 60s When short hair and flat chest with fashionable. And since.

[@jaetylerbond5783]

What would low dose do to a singing voice. Would it lower that as well?

[@SugarCubesMiki]

Julia Bond it would low your voice in general even if its a little or slowly

[@xbduf4gb]

Your singing voice will be lower. But if you are only on low dose T your voice may not fully break. If it is stuck at the breaking stage it sometimes comes out squeaky and unpredictable. It’s a risk for a singer and you may not make the higher notes you did before.

[@ccarlston3889]

one of my only reservations about going on T is my singing voice changing :(

[@sydneyjackgarza5199]

@@ccarlston3889 same ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼😭

[@abbydunham1403]

Rainbow friend is a singer and has some videos that talk about his experience on low dose and how it's effected his voice! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5fZnnqZraucZ8k

[@hakuza41]

Akira poster fuck yeah

[@lucius5869]

Your videos are always very informative and you word things very well, I'm not nb but I still find your videos helpful.

[@wendyramos2320]

i should ask here is it possible to do half and half basically in hormone levels because I honestly dont want facial hair i would die

[@TheVeryAngryShrimp]

You could always shave it.

[@xbduf4gb]

There's no half/half. You don't know what you will get, you can't just pick and choose. You know your beard is coming in because you get a downy beard shaped covering and if you don't stop there you will get a beard.

[@xbduf4gb]

Emby R. You don’t know what you are getting into. Testosterone is an anabolic steroid. If you don’t feel that you are male don’t mess with it.

[@leakypfaucet]

Just shave :)

[@nikk6435]

@@xbduf4gb I guess you mean an androgen. estrogen is an anabolic hormone as well

[@alexaguirre5397]

thank you so much for this video - Alex, they/them.

[@alexrose20]

I'm also an Alex they/them haha 😁

[@HD-xy5zk]

Hi, I'm Davi, a fellow non-binary person. I learned recently that NB stood for non-black before it stood for non-binary. The enby community has now stopped using NB as much as possible in favor of allowing it to hold its racial significance. Just thought you should know. Keep making content! (:

[@tencolorpen]

hi, black nb here. i think it should be fine as long as you can understand context clues. its kind of like how mlm can mean men-loving-men or multi level marketing. as long as you dont comment "i thought you meant nonbinary" then you should be fine :)

[@dannistone7577]

Great video. This has been a great help to me and in very honest and answers alot of questions that I don't always see in videos. Thanks

[@TheVeryAngryShrimp]

How long were you on T before the genital growth came in, if you don't mind me asking? Also did you mean endocrine? En-dough-crine (brine but with a c). Cheers m8.

[@CircleATattoo]

it was actually one of the first things to happen, and yeah

[@xbduf4gb]

Growth of the clitoris is such that it sticks out further , might rub on your pants, but you DON'T GROW A PENIS. S/he exaggerated.

[@SpecialBlanket]

@@xbduf4gb it's pretty substantial, dude. it's not just slight enlargement, erect is can be like 2 inches.

[@staceyshpaner4189]

Lane, your videso are awesome, thank you so much for all the work you put into making the!

[@hctsauc3]

being nb and wanting to go on t is stressful, i want everything except the bottom growth, i feel like that would make my dysphoria even worse since its not really like a cis persons? its hard to explain but i do feel like it would make my dysphoria worse-

[@isabellaasdfghjkl748]

So... I'm gay (i haven't come out to my parents yet but they can't work the internet so i should be fine) but have alot of questions and your channel is really helpful and your beautiful and have a nice day and keep posting!🙊🙈🙉✌

[@camil3368]

This video was soooo helpful! Ive been considering going on Testosterone for almost a year now and I scheduled a consultation to discuss HRT. Still, I wanted to hear about the experience from someone who’s non-binary like me! 💚

[@skippy9789]

I want a low dose of T but strong enough for slight facial hair growth and voice deepening I don't want anything else like balding skin changing rapid hair growth or bottom growth I love where I am I just wish I presented a tad more masculine

[@KarolaTea]

Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@alexgfan88]

i read that blog by Micha that you’re talking about! im 6 weeks on t & looking for when my mustache is coming 😭 their blog is a beautiful resource! they had an article included on how to come into your t voice which is really nice as i’m cracky as fuck. ❤️lots of love

[@Spagettigeist]

Thanks for talking about this, the information was very helpful

[@babybubble2543]

thanks a lot, great vid! it really answered most of my questions

[@tbz6089]

the exact information i needed, thanks for your video🔥

[@anangoohns]

This is super duper helpful thank you so much

[@user-vu7rv1xf1l]

If the changes are the same as full dose, just slower, then if someone was FTM but didn't want to end up super hairy macho, would going on for dose until passing & then lowering it to stabilise it? I understand its more to do with genes, but maybe this would work a bit.

[@pazuzudxcx8423]

Thank you for sharing these informations, btw you look great!

[@brynl-k4118]

Also can you talk about since you have so much experience with being on and off, with energy levels, your moods, how you felt mentally, I find that to be interesting. For example I feel way more energetic and more stabilized and moods when I'm on a low dose of testosterone and when I go off of it, I do feel almost more lethargic and not sad but just I can get sad easier or way happier easier

[@miotholerus7173]

Do you have more (readable) information about the potential damages to the endocrine system on going on and of T?

[@xbduf4gb]

Mio Tholerus Risk of osteoporosis. Risk of fatty liver.

[@mis0cat]

ugh I wish I could go on T, my mom is making me wait until I'm an adult (I can't fault her for that and I agree with her, it's still annoying and stressful though)

[@broodjebakpao1994]

How old are you? I'm not trans myself, but I strongly suggest if you're serious about this to start as soon as possible. The sooner you start, the better you'll "pass". There are defenitely ways to get good testosterone from a reputable source. I'm on testosterone myself. You just gotta be creative.

[@mis0cat]

@@broodjebakpao1994 im 15 and nb, i was questioning since maybe 13 or 14. i came out in january. i do think that i should wait until my brain is fully developed before i make any significant changes to my body, ive socially transitioned and done things like cutting my hair and wearing a binder

[@NixButtons]

@@mis0cat Great for you! I'm in the process of socially transitioning and I'm in my late twenties :D Non-binary wasn't really a talked about or accepted thing until recently. I always knew that I'm not a girl/woman, but also not really a boy/man and there were no other options at the time. I could either stay a woman, or be a transman. I'm so bloody thankful that being non-binary is an option now (and that internet exists, when I was young it was still a newish thing). Taking T is a very difficult decision, have you talked to different doctors about it? If not, you should definitely look for a doctor who knows what they are talking about and take you seriously.

[@mis0cat]

@@NixButtons oh my god im sorry i didnt see this comment till just now 😅😅 i havent really talked to any doctors about HRT because i feel like they would just rush me into something im not ready for, i also cant really talk to my parents about it because even just the idea of me wearing a binder makes them uncomfortable

[@absolutelyrandom4978]

I agree with the fact that you wanna wait, but I don’t recommend waiting until your brain’s fully developed. Your brain’s done developing at 25 and I don’t think that ~10 years of discomfort is worth it. I feel like it’d be good to talk about it with your doctor but be clear that it’s very much far in the future and you just want to know your options if in case you want to go on T in the future.

[@IIIIOTL]

i was wondering if you (or anyone) could elaborate on the "you'll grow a dick" part? i'm concerned about that D:

[@CircleATattoo]

the clitoris and penis are both phalluses and are made of the same tissue. testosterone makes your clitoris enlarge in the same way a penis would during puberty, and get erect (though it wont protrude due to ligaments that hold it in place). varies on the person but it can grow to be between 1 and 5 centimeters. most trans guys and people who take T appreciate this effect.

[@CircleATattoo]

i call it a dick because many trans people, myself included, arent comfortable having their erectile tissue referred to as a clitoris

[@IIIIOTL]

thanks for your reply! i've been contemplating on whether to go on T or not. i really want a more masculine face and neck, bonier/angular features, no hips and a deeper voice, but there are also some things i don't want (for example broader shoulders, facial and body hair, rougher skin, acne, and a dick :

[@CircleATattoo]

+ゼロ well it wont do anything to your bone structure do you wont get broader shoulders unless you specifically work out your shoulder muscles for the purposes of making them look broader

[@chloetry206]

Thank you for this video. Can I ask where you got your shirt?

[@ThisTinyGlitch]

What about emotional changes? I know a lot of people say that starting t is like going through all the emotions of puberty again, so how is that effected by going on and off t repeatedly? thanks

[@xbduf4gb]

ThisTinyGlitch I found it hard to cry. Very hard. And when you do it sounds weird if you make crying noises. Sounds like a bloke trying to cry. More likely to want to punch a pillow than cry. Frightening. I miss not being able to cry properly and I stopped testosterone years ago.

[@xbduf4gb]

ThisTinyGlitch You would be wise not to start testosterone if you want to go on and off it repeatedly. You are asking for trouble with maintaining adequate blood serum levels of hormones needed for healthy bones.

[@beebread2079]

I wanna go on T for all the reasons you said are common but also I don’t know if I’m entirely comfortable with the other stuff (like you said “growing a dick” lol) Plus, I’m in the military and there are standards for males and females so while me being afab I’m not required to shave facial hair, I wouldn’t feel comfortable expressing it

[@T3G33]

Is low dose estrogen a thing?

[@SugarCubesMiki]

Star Killer for amab people ?

[@sydneypettit564]

I would assume so... Just talk to your endocrinologist about it

[@zoezen]

Yes.

[@T3G33]

@@zoezen it is unfortunately fucking awful.

[@thexlittlexbit]

thank you for this video! it's very informative x

[@collectingducks]

ah thank you

[@laurenmarie9332]

How old were you when you started ?

[@nikk6435]

thank you, great video! do erections stay at all when you off testosterone? how does it compare to natural female erections? just wondering if it feels different if the size changes but hormonal makeup goes back to the original.

[@averynonym]

Thanks for this!

[@phoebetempesta6365]

So I understand that typical testosterone treatment stops periods and makes you infertile after length of time. Is this also true for low dose testosterone (that you know of or in your experience)?

[@xbduf4gb]

Periods may or may not stop on low dose testosterone. Periods kick back in when you stop T. T doesn't;t necessarily make you infertile, some trans men stop T for a year and then get pregnant so they can have a child,

[@SemiColon81]

Thanks for answering my question :) This was a really helpful video!

[@brynl-k4118]

What is your current dose in milligrams again

[@perpetuapolyphemus2640]

How did you take the testosterone?

[@julesbo4082]

Hi, I started T gel yesterday, im on half of a standard dosage. I was wondering if maybe you know if its safe to stop taking t for a week and then take it up again? Im kind of doing it without my parents knowing (i know that i will have to tell them eventually) and we in august we are going on holidays by a airplane. I'm kind of worried that the security might take out the gel and start asking and i really dont want my parents to find out just yet, especially not in a situation like that. My therapist proposed that i just leave it at home, and take it again in a week, but that i should probably ask the doctor (which ofc i forgot to do and its hard to contact him).

[@ad_kk16]

I had to miss using my T for a week. The symptoms I've experienced was just groggy, and slightly depressed, but it is okay to stop for a week and take it up again. It wasn't at all a huge difference. Just be sure to tell your doctor or provider about it.

[@matthias8122]

Say you do a low dose for several years, once you stop, will your body stay the same or go back to how it looked pre-t?

[@SugarCubesMiki]

Meghan Hirsh there are permanent changes , still i havent heard of anyone that stopped T and go back "completly " the way they were before

[@xbduf4gb]

You don’t get to recapture how you were before. The voice may remain lower than it was originally, if you had facial hair on T some of that might stay, body hair will get more sparse then disappear depending on how hairy you are genetically. clitoral size reverses, fat distribution reverses but you will be left with extra fat. muscle growth may not reverse, you can be left with masculine shoulders and arms. Some people say that they couldn't recapture the androgynous look in their face.

[@wesleys8039]

What is your experience with hormone changes while taking biweekly T? i.e. do you feel ebs and flows or hormone imbalance toward the end of the two weeks/close to your next shot?

[@VelvMushoom]

I'm at 25mgs a month, after being 25mgs twice a month, 9months so far. is this even worth doing?

[@xbduf4gb]

That’s a tiny dose if it is Sustanon you are talking about. What are your goals?

[@broodjebakpao1994]

Bump to 150mg a week. Get huge, profit.😉

[@IntoxicatedWithPain]

Does it change breasts/chest? and does it change the effectiveness of birth control pills?

[@jonahteal5030]

+Ledrial the chest doesn't change much at all, but yeah, on T you can only use non-hormonal birth control such as the copper IUD or the cap, the hormonal kind won't be as effective

[@PerfectProtagonist]

0:20 The new software doesn't even do that!

[@Absolutelynobody27]

what were the first changes you saw on 1 month of low T? I'm considering going on low T but I'm really nervous and I don't know how to start

[@xbduf4gb]

Arin Randall Don’t touch testosterone unless you want to be fully male.

[@dorkaszabo9955]

@@xbduf4gb not everyone wants to look fully male. let them do what they feel is right for them

[@xbduf4gb]

@@dorkaszabo9955 Then don;t touch testosterone.

[@dorkaszabo9955]

@@xbduf4gb some non binary people need it to look the way they want to. it's their choice, not yours

[@bluecow8152]

Holy crap. So science and biology screwed up on you sex?