NCAA's Michigan investigation, J.J. McCarthy vs. Marvin Harrison for Heisman, USC | CFB | THE HERD

Joel Klatt joins Colin Cowherd to discuss how the NCAA is currently handling the investigation on Michigan for allegedly using video to steal signs from opponents. Klatt then breaks down USC's loss against Utah and whether the Trojans meltdown will impact Caleb Williams long-term. He also discusses Ohio State's big win over Penn State and explains why the Heisman Trophy winner could come down to the Buckeyes showdown with the Wolverines in 'The Game.' Klatt previews Oregon-Utah and shares whether Bo Nix can lead the Ducks to a victory in a tough Salt Lake City environment. Watch as Klatt shares his latest Top 10 rankings.
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NCAA's Michigan investigation, J.J McCarthy vs. Marvin Harrison for Heisman, USC | CFB | THE HERD
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[@TheHerdOnFS1]

Watch The Joel Klatt Show now: bit.ly/JoelKlattShow

[@user-il9gh2zy9e]

Colin, I absolutely live your show and have always enjoyed listening to you, but PLEASE stop talking about "when Pete was at USC".Those glory days are NEVER coming back.

[@andrewwyman3675]

Just really weak stuff from two guys whose opinions I normally respect. I understand you have to tread lightly at this point, but to downplay the role sign stealing can play in the outcome of a game is absolutely baffling. They knew the plays based on scouting that occurred in a manner that was clearly against NCAA bylaws. Do you understand that they have been nearly 80% against the spread in conference games during the time this was happening? How is that not massively concerning to you, if not absolutely unacceptable? Do you really want to watch a sport where a team knows exactly what the other is going to do all the times? Complete garbage, guys. Learn to pivot when you’re wrong. Be better.

[@ProfHoff]

Every time I see Joel call Colin out I think "THANK GOD" but props to Colin for being able to take it. The only segment in this show I never miss every week and genuinely look forward to.

[@KTF0]

Colin has more thick skin than he gets credit for. Also, he admits when he's wrong.

[@samphillip9616]

They're both smart guys, and they're friends, so they do this stuff on purpose because they know viewer's love it, me included, haha.

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Colin doesn’t care about being wrong that’s why he’s the best at what he does

[@GreaseMonkey097]

​@pleaseshutup7053 Your statement is something we all could learn more in our lives. Day to day. I'm trying to! To see it play it out in a fun manner like we get the chance too. Pretty valuable. Good tv

[@pleaseshutup7053]

@@GreaseMonkey097 right been listening to colin since I was a kid when he was at espn. I always enjoyed his philosophy on sports and life.

[@tjayd1225]

Shoutout to Joel being the only person who calls Colin out on BS rather than allowing the echo chamber of Colin agreeing w himself

[@justmedee]

Nick Wright has left the chat. Seriously Nick will listen to Colin's previous segment and then come in and absolutely decimate it before even saying hello 😂

[@amadou234]

Listen/watch colin on the volume. It becomes obvious he plays a character on The herd. He’s actually super smart and knows ball, but knows playing the character is what high ups want because it gets views. Joel is amazing cause he’s real all the time but he doesn’t have a studio show so he doesn’t need to. Colin and Nick wright on the volume are amazing. Also joel’s pod is one of the best out rn

[@justmedee]

100% this. I agree with literally everything you said. When you realise Colin is one of the handful of humans on earth at the very pinnacle of his field, you begin to realise how intelligent and aware he is. Even his life/parenting advice is always insightful. Theres a brilliant candid interview where he says the most crucial advice he can give for making it in the industry is to always take a stance. Never sit on the fence. Give the audience something to talk about. If they agree, good. If they disagree, even better because it was spark a debate. People dont realise its not Colin's job or goal to be right 100% of the time, its to engage an audience for 3hrs every day. @@amadou234

[@javierfernandez2576]

@@amadou234100% agree, Nick also plays a bit of an act on FTF, tho it’s very entertaining but gets tiring after a while

[@2regarded]

No audio in the helmet. Takes fans out of the game. I'd rather sign stealing be allowed.

[@mawavoy]

I like Joel’s analysis. Well researched and documented. He also has an entertaining yet serious delivery.👍🏿

[@gageboone1885]

Agreed. He is REALLY good at what he does

[@dyllan4572]

I’m shocked he doesn’t have his own show at this point

[@robertbougher8820]

Klatt nailed it today. Very well done, great content. As a Trojan it’s hard to hear, but it’s accurate and the truth. More of this content Colin!!

[@alejandrogonzales743]

He basically called out Grinch

[@hughobrien4139]

@@alejandrogonzales743 He took it even further in one of later video segments. He flat spanked Grinch’s rear end.

[@brandonsimmons1695]

Klatt and Josh Pate are on their own tier of college knowledge. I never miss their pods

[@chrisoconnor9042]

Best 15-20 minutes of college football analysis in the country every week!

[@TheForbiddenOne55]

I was listening to this and it didn't even feel like 19 minutes. Might have to tune in to Klatt's podcast now

[@pleaseshutup7053]

@@TheForbiddenOne55 klatt not good without Colin

[@warnercasey3018]

Don’t listen to this guy lmao ^ it’s a great listen

[@pleaseshutup7053]

@@warnercasey3018 but me and yo mama tried listening to it the other night and she said turn it off after 5 minutes

[@leetraviusmckay314]

Colin "i wanted to have your son as an intern" Joel "not a chance"

[@oldtimer5316]

That cracked me up!

[@cattypurry8023]

Klatt called out Acho even more. Acho has no morals.😅

[@gabelarsen4375]

Best segment of the the show hands down. Love these 2 together

[@user-nh1ou6se2g]

..Cowherd + Nick right there with'em ✌🏾

[@ShandonCihon]

I bet everyone does this and somebody has it out for Harbough.

[@gordons-alive4940]

Michigan should have copied them, then. The way they went about it was pretty stupid.

[@HermannTheGreat]

I personally believe they've had it out for Harbaugh for a long time due to his media persona and public popularity and he probably doesn't run in the right circles of the NCAA because he's done well in the pros. He simply doesn't care what any of the other coaches/officials think so now that he's doing even better than top 10 they are bringing the hammer down on him to get him out. If this goes through and they get Michigan for this, Harbaugh may leave for the pros, this might do it. Look at Kansas and Bill Self, or Coach K and Duke, they could get away with almost anything, The FIFA scandal etc, but several Big 10 teams can't get by with anything, even non-sport drama and scandal(IU, M.State, Ohio State, North Carolina) etc.

[@michaelstone3069]

Weiss is under investigation by the fbi He's gonna cooperate and give up everything

[@jasonstapley1265]

For those curious, Ron McBride was at Utah before Urban. Very good coach, great person.

[@isaacdunaway7149]

It’s about time utah gets some respect! Both the program and the environment

[@rayrack5416]

Lol, Utah always gets respect

[@DubLubb]

"The problem with Scotland......is it's full of Scotts!!"

[@andrew_xlr]

This is the perfect amount of McIntyre

[@GagePutman]

My favorite segment each week 👍

[@mattnoble4345]

Noone better to call a game nowadays than gussy and Klatt already in my top 5 duo for announcers

[@AustinRides7264]

Joel and collin is a nice segment. Maserati marv! Lol. I love Gus Johnson for coining that. I'm a big Michigan fan but I love watching MHJ play.

[@jenndavin]

My favorite sports segment of the week. You two need a college football show maybe before the playoffs. It would rock.

[@jswizel]

Klatt for CFB commissioner!

[@jimsomerville3924]

Utah-Oregon games often surprise, I wouldn't bet against the former.

[@Hurricane1395]

A+ Segment as always. Hope Colin goes to the game!

[@hiphopotamus69]

I hear the NCAA will punish Michigan by giving all their vacated wins, conference championships, and the upper peninsula to Wisconsin. A tough but fair punishment (I am a Wisconsin fan)

[@sharpe52312]

😂

[@dmoney7184]

everybody college program is doing the same thing but Michigan got caught ....

[@awright2988]

lol!!!

[@kpf8186]

Sorry. We keep the UP. YOU get Toledo. hahahahhhahha

[@zacharymarkham5232]

As a Yooper I will fight tooth and nail against this

[@dustinwalter5514]

Glad Joel took time out of his week to see his son

[@matta6395]

This comment is so old

[@molonlabe9602]

"What's being alleged is illegal". There it is in a simple sentence, nothing else matters.

[@shimonhawkins13]

Those Big Blue Sign-Stealing 〽️eanies need to be banned for life! Waaaaaa! 🍼👩‍🦲☹️

[@terrywilder9]

@@shimonhawkins13 Nah! More than likely Harbaugh's bunch has uncovered a Las Vegas Game rigging scandal. That would explain some of those pretty horrible calls at the most inopportune time in his first few seasons.

[@cangle37]

A Michigan state fan crying about legality

[@emteller2945]

Then everyone needs to be held accountable to

[@classiccountryrevival8563]

Paying players was illegal up until 3 years ago, yet it was done for decades, and noone batted an eye. This case is so heavily scrutinized because they hate Harbaugh. That's it. It's selective prosecution.

[@leetraviusmckay314]

Colin "Klatt's podcast is great" Joel "thank you" Colin "it is"

[@user-il9gh2zy9e]

Colin needs to stop with the whole "When Pete Carrol was at USC". He literally brings that up 3 times a show. Those glory days are NEVER COMING BACK!!!

[@corneliusdansbyjr6165]

Thank u

[@roderickpeyton4265]

😂😂 I live in Kentucky and I'm willing to bet there's a law on the books in one of these counties that says exactly that!😂😂

[@elliotness11]

The world is filled with countries holding on to outdated laws that make u say what? 🤣

[@roderickpeyton4265]

​@@elliotness11I grew up in a very rural town in Southern Kentucky. My history teacher told me of a law on the books stating that you can be arrested for driving while eating ice cream with no shoes on😂😂😂😂

[@elliotness11]

@@roderickpeyton4265 🤩 😂 That’s 😜

[@boondockpaint]

"Cheaters never win" Michigan: "We're right behind Georgia, literally."

[@rickyaustin7835]

I have watched enough football to see many teams that have more than one person that is signally in play's. That way one can never be sure as to which one it is that is really giving the play they shall use. I have grown tired of this Michigan witch hunt and the NCAA in general.

[@schillschill]

Wow, Klatt just knocks it out of the park week after week. Absolutely brilliant takes on the helmet and audio. Damn that guy is good!!!!

[@edwardsabo8368]

From what I understand the latest Sports Illustrated article sheds a whole new light on the UofM issue.

[@awright2988]

It does. Dude was basically an obsessed lone wolf and it makes the case the coaching staff was in the dark on what he was doing.

[@wesleyowens4089]

​@@awright2988I doubt that

[@edwardsabo8368]

@@wesleyowens4089 take a look at the SI article.

[@gregwebb7530]

If I’m watching Cowherd, Klatt is on the set.

[@treydezellem27]

Joel Klatt is once again the highlight of the week. Should be on the show each day

[@johnbates1095]

Great combo!

[@damonclarke3449]

I love these two I look forward to seeing them ever Tuesday and I’m not a college football fan. Give them a show together year round please I will watch

[@randytorres9974]

Joel nailed it!! 🔨

[@camerongusbeth5378]

Joel Klatt is the man. 2nd to only Herbi. Dudes top tier!

[@alphavictor4131]

Love when dad comes on

[@carlozollinger3012]

Joel Klatt is actually that guy

[@CleCardRips]

The best segment 😂

[@ianbrown7066]

Klatt’s the best

[@Sativa77]

I remember klatt was the QB at Colorado for the "tornado game" in Ames back in 2005..great game to watch..klatt was good but there was a 35 mph wind so it was very hard to throw through it

[@193ksp]

Joel Klatt is awesome. No political garbage, just straight ball

[@ridufly4531]

Joel Klatt loves OSU

[@brandonsimmons1695]

Joel Klatt, da da da da da da, Joel Klatt

[@mikehundt4263]

Flexible morality indeed

[@kotabaker977]

The Klatt daddy!

[@NorthDallasForty.]

“My son doesn’t like football” Colin Cowherd

[@johnpruneda53]

Hey Colin if you go to that game can video it and send it to Harbaugh in case we play one of them in the future

[@-PlayMaker-]

Someone said it last week so ill say it this week. We need a football podcast with these two.

[@ericwiley3963]

I’m with Burr on the whole, “why is your desk looming over the guests” shmuck energy

[@the_ohioplaya]

Tell Michigan to send us all there signals

[@slyde734]

They'd still win

[@mkingadiffernce]

@@slyde734facts

[@tooriginal9724]

Hutch showed #75 his signal 😂

[@cangle37]

Ohio fans can't spell? I'm shocked

[@user-ob8ge7tj8t]

GO MICHIGAN!!!!!!!

[@donaldvescoso6799]

The relevant NCAA rule is bylaw 11.6.1, which prohibits “off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season).” “employing or paying the expenses of someone else, including professional scouting services, to scout the opponent,”. So the tickets were paid for by an employee of Michigan, not the actual university, and the person recording was not a scout, professional scout, or a coach.

[@jamiebritt7329]

Colin: “He has a studio and it has lighting” Joel: “Imagine that.” 😂😂😂

[@Guided11]

Klatt 🔥🔥🔥

[@HyzersGR]

Notice how all the NFL players that have commented have said it’s either a joke or blown out of proportion. Aaron Rodgers, JJ Watt, Coach Prime, Jeff Saturday, Marcus Spears, etc. Ohio State admitted they changed their signs before the game against Michigan before last year’s game anyway.

[@TookyG]

And coaches are saying it's huge. Imagine believing that knowing what play your opponent is running isn't a big advantage. And Ohio State didn't admit that by the way.

[@HyzersGR]

@@TookyG Ohio State and Penn State are saying it’s huge because they know they are going to get smashed once again. And yes an Ohio State coach admitted they changed the signals in the original Yahoo article that broke the story. There goes that excuse. First it was the sniffles, then it was the weather, then it was just 5 plays bro please, now it’s potential sign stealing. Anything but admitting Ryan Day is SOFT!

[@dobsr1184]

Like who ? Deon Sanders and Nebraska coach ripped it apart

[@awright2988]

@@TookyGuh yeah they did, so you have zero excuse for last year! A member of Ohio State’s support staff spoke to Yahoo Sports and confirmed that they had knowledge of Stalions' alleged gambit. A Buckeye staffer said they “changed things up” in terms of their signals before playing Michigan in 2022.

[@TookyG]

@@awright2988I know you Michigan guys have a skewed idea of what a low level staffer is but that doesn't constitute changing all their signs, which at least one player has confirmed didn't happen

[@doanbot3000]

It may not be allowed but when has that stopped anything, anywhere in any setting at any point in spacetime?

[@Nickiacampo59]

Who do you use as a spotter? Not you 😂

[@joseph7696]

Colin, definitely go to the game and watch one of the last big time Pac 12 games. Klatt's podcast as well as the Volume channel are fantastic Who Dey

[@harrisonmattia5811]

Joel 🐐

[@h-minus2212]

Klatt has a great mind.

[@treydezellem27]

Klatt should be the leader of College Football

[@GlowJam]

The fact that investigation info was leaked to the court of public opinion is the only knowledge needed to understand the agenda and motive. The actual investigation is now just a side show to cover up that sign stealing is acceptable and legal for those who can afford to do it by any means. Kudos to Michigan for bringing one of the actual means employed out into the open.

[@monochrome493]

Rules are Rules

[@JW-28]

​@@monochrome493stop. Rules are only rules to certain people.

[@zazuch]

its amazing this is the take away you got when there isnt anything that says as such yet haha.

[@GlowJam]

It's legal or it's not, the NCAA appears to believe they can have it both ways?

[@zazuch]

@@GlowJam .....its clearly spelled out. You area allowed to attempt to do it DURING THE GAME when you play an opponent. However you are not allowed to record their sidelines during a game EVER. You are also not allowed to go to scout a team in the same year you play them before you play them. Michigan is alleged to have people doing BOTH of these things meaning they broke two NCAA rules. As with many actions there are context that make it allowable, and some that are not allowed.

[@stevebrown1461]

Joel Klatt will be forced to pay attention to Carson Beck. That train is picking up speed.

[@user-qd6gi4rl9q]

Look. Stallion was caught on the Central Michigan sidelines wearing their coaching garb, standing next to coaches, wearing sunglasses at a night game against Michigan State. Michigan played MSU and beat them 49-0.

[@baylorgreen4942]

I agree with what they say about Utah. Atmosphere is insane!!

[@kevinhood6513]

Colin "we don't eat meatloaf out here" cowherd 😂😂

[@lawrencefranck9417]

Who needs a scholarships? If you get game tape of two conference foes playing you can only watch one of teams.

[@quinnshaw9100]

The advanced scouting ban is definitely a blue ribbon law

[@ryannichols5352]

In many states it is illegal to "co-habitate" out of wedlock (marriage). Try enforcing that....

[@tw4171]

If this was Georgia you guys would have different attitudes

[@andrewjohnson8919]

Give Riley that same disrespect, you give Day

[@gheller2261]

Wow, an Olga Korbut reference. We're dating ourselves a bit, aren't we Colin.

[@Googleaccountholder99]

We dont eat meatloaf 😂

[@MattiBucks]

There's a difference between being able to read someone's poker face and having a camera monitor your opponent's hand for you to see prior to placing your bet.

[@blaketindle4703]

This is what Rob Parker was talking about! If people like Joel and Colin and Brady Quinn are gonna say a lot of coaches are doing this, tell us who they are!!! They won’t because they’re making assumptions and have no evidence!

[@samwaisanen8972]

Coaches and former QBs have more inside information than media members. They don’t want to say anything because they likely did it too. Doesn’t mean Michigan shouldn’t be punished, but that should factor in the severity.

[@brandonpierce4472]

They should snitch? A couple of football analyst should snitch? Lmaoooo cmon man

[@jamesw5353]

They wouldn't do it(especially to this level-extent) if it wasn't working and gaining an advantage...period!

[@blaketindle4703]

Exactly! 💯

[@otd2808]

So you’re gonna tell me, if it works, that nobody else is doing it? And if everyone else is doing it, taking it away from one team isn’t putting them at a “competitive disadvantage”?

[@jamesw5353]

@@otd2808 Nobody else has been caught doing it and especially at this level. If they do they should be punished as well. Michigan got caught plain and simple and it's against the rules. No leg to stand on

[@timothykaczanowski2603]

@@jamesw5353this is just like before NIL every top team was already paying players. Every team is scouting.

[@NorthDallasForty.]

Why isn’t JOEL KLATT a coach ❓

[@ShoTyme]

Because it's not for everyone. Huge fan of the Klattster!

[@TripleNikel555]

In Utah it's illegal to play in mud puddles on Sunday. I don't know who does that, but it's a law

[@Michael-rx6ji]

Marvin Harrison Jr only has six touchdowns on the year. That's it! Roman Wilson has 10 on the year. Of course he has because they allegedly cheat. 🙄

[@mkingadiffernce]

Lmbo

[@kamaka07]

As a pac12 guy I gotta give Utah it's flowers. That's a tough well run program and the way to tell is the poise every player on the roster has and their ability to win games they probably shouldn't. USC and UCLA were in position and couldn't close like Utah did.

[@HughMorristheJoker]

They broke rules. The question isn't whether the rule is good.

[@savagegamer81013]

I like Colin a lot. My favorite talk show host. But I don’t think he understands how serious this Michigan stuff is. Of this investigation is proven true, it will invalidate everything Jim Harbaugh has done.

[@MadMaxM232]

Colin should thank Joel these are literally the only segments I watch of this terrible show

[@TeamHeapMI]

every week Colin asks Joel if he needs a spotter, who is Joels spotter ect...

[@21golden007]

Still amazed cowhard gets paid for such awful takes

[@atrain132]

6:49 I completely agree with Colin on this. I've been stressing this for quite some time, and finally glad to hear someone in the industry say it. FBS Division 1 college football is the most poorly structured sport in all of organized sports. The ranking system is horrible. Schedules are horrible. The single game "Playoff" is horrible. A committee who decides what teams can play in that single game playoff is horrible. Heisman award has lost its true purpose. NIL, transfer portal, conference realignments, ect have ruined it.The money and tv deals don't help at all either. FCS Division 2 has it set up correctly. The games don't have the big crowd atmosphere, but are very exciting to watch. Especially during the playoffs. True playoffs that make more sense.

[@showtimepete]

Caleb Williams have Lincoln Riley calling his plays how do he have a bad support system?

[@matthewtrujillo3309]

Harrison Jr. has 6 TD catches on the season. He won’t even win the Biletkinoff. Calm down Klatt.

[@tomb9297]

Hey Colon! Maybe Utah videotaped USC’s signs! How do you feel about that???

[@cangle37]

Why are you asking questions to someone's colon?

[@Brandon-qd2lb]

Can't make it optional for teams that want their helmets to have a speaker??

[@Doc_Boots]

Michigan meets 1987 SMU

[@wesleyowens4089]

It's only fair

[@TheKrumster]

Caleb Williams Brock bower Marvin Harrison and Ollie Gordon are game breaker dudes

[@wesleyowens4089]

Gordon won't get talked about because Oklahoma State sucks but he is a beast

[@kevenadrien]

I swear Colin and Joel do not like each other LOL. But I think it’s just a brother-teases-brother type of relationship they have.

[@cheerioss-9121]

That’s just how guys interact that are close friends

[@TheBoringLameInvestor]

On campus scouting is illegal. Its about the integrity of the game. If you let this go, you just open up pandoras box. College should go to helmet audio.

[@paulmayer8654]

It’s not about the integrity of the game at all. The rule was put in place because little schools complained they couldn’t pay for scouts like that the way big schools can. It has nothing to do with cheating. Nobody considers sign stealing to be cheating.

[@dustinkern5273]

I'd vote Joel President of football but I would miss him and Gus calling games.

[@bradflemings2089]

If it wasn't an advantage they wouldn't do it.

[@Berserker_4517]

I’m glad these two are sensible on the Michigan story. It’s a bunch of malarkey that every team is doing and it’s not going to change until college football is governed like the nfl and they get audio in the helmets.

[@TheSeanburke101]

Klatt had a more in depth talk about it on a video today(minute 18 of the heisman/michigan video). Its crazy that we dont have it in college football. Tech has gotten so much cheaper over the years for almost any team it should be pretty cheap

[@awright2988]

And there have been many college players and coaches that have pointed out that the sideline view is shown on their scouting videos they get from the other teams. STEALING SIGNS IS LEGAL! Method does not matter!

[@mgoblue0970]

@@awright2988 it's neither legal nor illegal. People need to stop using those words. The NCAA is not Congress. It's not a law. Rather sign stealing is prohibited.

[@jjgreen5206]

@@mgoblue0970 it’s illegal in a football sense, which is all that matters for the conversation.

[@Berserker_4517]

@@jjgreen5206 audio in the helmets would prevent this from happening. Yet no college team has audio in their helmets, which tells you all you need to know. Every team is running their own sign stealing operation and they don’t want to give it up.

[@jeremiahwilliams5747]

Flexible morality.😂😂😂 Sounds funny, but worthy of judgement. But I love that he's honest about that. Most folk ain't.

[@joeevanstill5445]

to be clear the Carlos Beltran suggested doing it to AJ Hinch because he did it on Another Team!!!!!

[@charleslilly4213]

And Notre Dame held Marvin Harrison jr to 3 receptions for only 32 yards! Egbuka had only 7 receptions for 96 yards! That Notre Dame defense is fantastic! If Notre Dame didn’t lose to Louisville they’d be at the #5 spot looking in. They held Ohio State the entire game until that last second at the 1 yard line! Sick of Notre Dame not getting credit when it’s due. Notre Dame now at 7-2 obliterated Pittsburgh……. They should be back in the top 10 after that game