Ne vs Si (New vs Same)

[@EduardoCeballos953]

I didn't laugh, I don't have Si. Therefore I'm unable to organize the kitchen :'(

[@infernal..]

Sadge

[@lalalanding234]

but you have Ni! good luck

[@PsychologyandChillwMichi]

I felt suffocated while she talked about how great those tests were setup- like how is that relaxing 😅

[@TheNightsway]

It was like a serial killer explaining which parts of your anatomy they're going to cut into first

[@jeffreysherman8224]

That fits perfectly, Michelle. You're the exact opposite, being an Ne dom. Such structure causes you stress, but brings calmness to the Si dom.

[@heatherbryant4197]

IME high Si people need structure because it creates a semblance of predictability. We know better that chaos could strike at any moment and it's important to be adaptable, and too much structure feels limiting. But to SJs, when you take away that feeling of control and predictability, it induces fear of the unknown, which often means major anxiety. Predictable = safe = calm. I actually believe this is supported by physiological differences in high Si people, like increased responsiveness of the autonomic nervous system, leading to hightened levels of cortisol & epinephrine in chaotic situations and increased sensitivity of the sympathetic & parasympathetic nervous system, so that when an SJ finds themselves in a scary situation full of unknowns, their heart races even faster and their body reacts more strongly. It would take some research to find out whether this is true or not, but it makes sense to me. And it explains why they're so risk-averse and in tune with internal sensations.

[@jeffreysherman8224]

@@heatherbryant4197 Interesting observation. I believe everyone has the same nervous system response, but the stimuli triggering it is different partly based on which functions are at the top of their stack. For instance, that same "peaceful" scenario made Michelle feel like she was being suffocated. I've also seen Fi users (INFPs/ISFPs) completely freak out at the thought of being controlled or censored in some way. For them freedom = safe = calm. I think for me, maybe the top thing would be community/loving relationships = safety = calmness. I'm an INFJ.

[@jeffreysherman8224]

@@heatherbryant4197 Btw, what's your type?

[@heatherbryant4197]

Si/Ne (or "Si savior"): "Every thing has its place." Ne/Si (or "Ne savior"): "There's a method to my madness." "Don't move that thing out of its place [which has been arbitrarily defined by me for my own efficiency]." vs "Don't touch my pile of junk! [It's organized by date of acquisition from bottom to top!]" Lol "It might look like a mess but I know where everything is and it makes sense to me!"

[@rohanrahinwal9706]

Oh yeah, I'm quite positive I'm an INFP, and the second one is me. Even if my room is a mess, I know exactly where to find something that I'm looking for. I always start looking for things like - If I was me, where would I keep this? and by the time I end the sentence, I find it

[@waterbender19]

wow that is so funny, as ENFP I have always felt "there's a method to my madness" is a phrase that perfectly describes me. love this!

[@BeinIan]

@@rohanrahinwal9706 I'm an INTP and I totally feel you. Once I start doing it I can have fun organizing my room, but I always remember where I last saw everything whether it's in its place or not. So it all falls back into chaos over time as I just put things down in the nearest available spot when I'm done with them

[@AlexG-jm7cd]

Definitely me as an ENTP. My ISFJ mom hates me, apparently. Edit: All of us NP gang are here. Introvert-Extrovert-Introvert-Extrovert. Feeling-Feeling-Thinking-Thinking. I like it. Diverse and organized.

[@louiselarc9180]

My mom is Si/Ne (dom Si) and I am Ne/Si (dom Ne) it’s horrific in this household

[@Xcopyz]

That Si example is literally my mother, who's an ISFJ. She has the exact same setup and keeps everything in specific places. I once moved a pot of flowers she had four inches from it's original spot. She was not pleased.

[@TheNightsway]

Has your mother ever complained about 'water stains' in the carpet?

[@Xcopyz]

@@TheNightsway Yes, but not for long, because she cleaned it immediately. I've said, things like "Calm down, it's just water." Being an intuitive, it's very obvious how important the events occurring actually is to sensors.

[@steviej3112]

Now imagine ESFJ.

[@Toni7926]

I know this is quite a late response, but what was the reason for moving the pot?

[@todoranandrei8716]

@@steviej3112 maybe an esfj would freak out about what others will think about him if he is like that so he ll secretely try to eliminate everything he thinks that the others are thinking it s cringe. Although deep inside he may be another person

[@elainecary2884]

I thought I had Si (and used to think I was ISTJ) because I enjoy organizing my things, but it was something I taught myself to do to make life easier. For example, I realized every time I left the house I had no clue where the fck my keys were. So I started keeping them on the coffee table, no exceptions. That anecdote about rigid exams was excruciating. Just give me the damn test so I can get it over with.

[@seignee]

b-but muh efficiency

[@kellikakes81]

Im the same as you

[@jimmygarcia6766]

What's your type?

[@NevertahnProduction]

Ok so im ISTJ. Hearing that structure was nice because everything was controlled, but tbh as an Si user becomes more experienced, they tend to separate what is relevant to their goal and what isnt. Their sense of importance to the procedure becomes less attached and their view on the goal itself becomes clearer. Si can adapt, despite what many believe. If it were me in that test room, Id just do the test in the allocated time and enjoy the quiet. If it were me in that college space, Id do the test the same way, but Id emphasise the need for distractionless environment so I can focus on the test. Heck, put me in the middle of the school yard or the roof of the building, Id still do that test regardless, as long as I know how much time is left and there isnt anything distracting me from taking that test.

[@elizabethswintek9251]

When my Si makes its yearly appearance, I totally add containers to my junk drawer 😂

[@pauljackson6648]

That Si kitchen clip = my own personal hell.

[@wendybird7059]

Lol...welcome to hell!!! 😈

[@fangus5076]

i don't get it

[@wendybird7059]

Use that Ni and see the pattern??

[@AlexG-jm7cd]

My Ne is screaming from boredom

[@wibu-sj5lv]

Haha

[@YB7517167]

a better way or example of explaining Si is every object has a place like car keys goes there, so you always know where it is if someone places it somewhere else you get mad because it's placed somewhere unknown the person who put it wherever probably forgot (not Si) and doesn't care (they tend to lose everything). I myself won't appear organized but I know where everything goes so I hate when people touch my things (that's when I lose them)

[@wendyraye]

@Joel Nathan Henry so, if you think you know where things are, but they disappear, causing hours of digging through everything (including the trash), and it’s in a drawer it’s never been put in, underneath something else, is the opposite? Mind is thinking about so many things at once - it appears to have gaps of what actually happened....it’s hell.

[@pamelam4]

Basically Si is about routine and being able to predict and know things ahead of time. If an object is moved from its typical location then you don't know where it is and it can throw off your routine and then things are unpredictable and you have to be able to predict and know what's going to happen or else you can't function. Si people don't function well with spontaneity or surprises.

[@traditionalgirl3943]

pamelam4, ISTJ can definitely be spontaneous in areas or people they expect spontaneity with. They may enjoy spontaneity in romance or in children for example.

[@themeghmuse]

Yes!!!! I’ve always thought she was an ESTJ, personally. I’ve had people tell me she has to be an intuitive because she is so inspiring

[@someonerandom713]

ESTJs may inspire intuitives to look at things in new ways 🙃

[@swanben11]

@@someonerandom713 Or to hit them with a frying pan.

[@Metr01dz]

She's been typed as Ti/Si INTP jumper

[@muhsinashardow998]

Who is she? Whats her KZbin channel?

[@adambankoff8525]

I'm an NI dom (INTJ) and my ex is an Si dom (ISFJ). It's intresting to see the differences in what and how we control/organize. She was more controling/organized when it came to physical things, and much more specfic. I was more controling with concepts, and procedures. When I organized physical things it was more of a concept, and organized chaos. My organization and control as a Ni user is centered around efficiency.

[@人類天賦對稱互補之美]

Thank you so much for sharing these differences!

[@ayushzaveri8193]

I cried at the end, so I have Ne

[@enriqueibarra9096]

Fi*

[@ayushzaveri8193]

@@enriqueibarra9096 You didn't get it, did you?

[@wearejungians]

Ayush Zaveri *Captain America Meme*

[@KevinPaterson]

This ENFP found her fact-report of the examination ritual VERY relaxing... almost in an ASMR way. When somebody is willing to be so methodical, there’s nothing more satisfying for me to listen to 😅

[@Jellofish777]

Do you think it's because you can kind of expect where it's gonna go or pick back up easily, allowing your Ne mind to wander without Se hindrance?

[@taydupreez8555]

My mother in a nutshell. It's extremely frustrating haha because life cannot always be organized and then the breakdown and rants because nothing is perfect! I actually feel sorry for people like this. Everything is stressful for them.

[@onemillionpercent]

yup

[@DiegoBR]

I feel Sorry for NE people. The think have all time and caos is a good thing. Poor people. Caos is no real. Organization is real. ALL things e has some organization, so ALL things are organizared in a way. Nothing exist without SOME organization. The next thing is: that organization is enough to help something do another thing?

[@SuperCuriouss]

Thanks so much. The demon thing really helped me sort things out. This is sooooooo funny, but it helps me understand. Thought i couldn't be ENTP, because I want to control the chaos and to create a system to keep it in place. But keep failing. Turns out... it's not my saviour function.

[@mcee555]

What type are you? I have been recently trying to do the whole control the chaos and create a system to keep it place. Also failing lool.

[@SuperCuriouss]

@@mcee555 ExxP or IxxJ types would struggle with this.. I'm ENTP.

[@mcee555]

@@SuperCuriouss I'm an ENFP (as far as I know), makes sense then

[@UnsuspectingCommenterPassingBy]

lmao you can perfectly tell apart the savior Ne from the savior Si in my house by going through a set of neat and orderly rooms and suddenly stepping into a pile of 3 month old empty bags of chips, single socks, and randomly placed items that no one knows what they are for or where they came from. Oh, but don’t move anything because you’ll hear distant cursing 1 hour later.

[@人類天賦對稱互補之美]

Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful example of two different preferences!

[@oliveraklabs6035]

(INTJ)I came across this channel Davesuperpowers and I found it to be very helpful in helping me understand MBTI, It took me two days to watch all the videos on this channel and I'm happy. Found and downloaded 650 Psychology, Neuroscience, Psychiatry ebooks online so they should give us an even better understanding on Psychology. 📚😊

[@dreamluvr1600]

ENFP... cleaning up for me means stuffing shit in a bag then hiding it in the back of my closet

[@katarineinis9882]

That so interesting. I have Ne as savior and Si demon. I want to organize things. I know it is important. Every time I do it I'm very particular about where everything goes. Find special places for my special tools. After organizing a box I'm exausted! Hahahaha And then back to chaos!

[@Binyamin.Tsadik]

I organize my kitchen I have Si !!!!

[@decroh]

I don't organize my kitchen I have Ne!!!!

[@Binyamin.Tsadik]

@@decroh I don't have a kitchen, no Si :D

[@wibu-sj5lv]

😂😂

[@PumpkinSoup1234]

That woman is me doing my demon Si. I'm an ENTP. When I lose sth that's the worst scenario. I FREAK OUT SO MUCH. That's why every thing has its place. "If it's not here or there. I lost it. No suffering" I rather be sure I have lost sth than being sure I have just I don't know where it is.

[@aur.sanne77]

1:26 I think that her logic is very reasonable. All the things she mentioned aren't things you carry yourself with, are hard to replace, and if you lose them it's pain in the ass. For example, if there's a water coming from your rooftop, first thing you want to do is to prevent water from spreading. You don't look for specific object, but you look for an object of specific size and shape. So let's say a glass, a bowl, a plastic container. And you don't need to have them all stuffed in one place if god forbid they'll get lost. If you need a screwdriver or a rubbonband, then you need them, and it'd be difficult to find something replacable. Screwdriver, cards to museums and tapes are small, easier to lose, important things, and it's better to have all that put together.

[@H3llfir333]

Why... Is she putting all that in the KITCHEN not in the bedroom or office @1:11 had me confused and shookt

[@orangeziggy348]

Some people do their office work on the kitchen table.

[@mercurialmessenger]

I am ENFP New good. Organinize, memory, bad.

[@oliverlinehan8701]

Dave and Shan laughed at the same time they have Fe!1111!1!2!!1!1!1!1

[@akaboo69]

I type people with interaction styles and it gets me to the right answer. It would be hard to see the Si thing

[@someonerandom713]

How do you verify that the answer is right? 🤔

[@hyacynth]

I put my stuff on specific areas in the house so I'll know where to come back to the next time I need them again but to my gran (whom I think is an Si-dom), my stuff is just a pile junk scattered that needs to be put away. We literally just clashed yesterday because I had put my earphones on my desk and I was pissed when I couldn't find it there. When I complained, she deadass said that she put it someplace else (where she thinks it _should_ be) because it was messily just laying around and it was "such an eyesore." I'm just????? Then don't look at it?????? I just want to not stress whenever I would want to come back to my stuff, just leave them where I left them, please.

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

1:40 “even though I have to guard my special drawer” LOL I FEEL SO SEEEEEEEN

[@Obi1Classic]

The class thing definitely proved I've got Ne savior. Being in an almost untimed test is so cool compared to having to properly pace how much time you have on each question/task.

[@Themrspinkunicorn]

my stepmother literally has labels everywhere, I for example am one of those people who maybe lives in a mess, but I know where everything is. so sometimes she'll come to clean my room and I'll be like looking for the clean sock that was under my bed and it's nowhere to be found

[@Cstank5]

Wow, one video where you didn't end it with Shannon fake laughing.

[@craigmiller1870]

I always keep a nice big bottle of bar keepers friend in my cabinet for any of life's spills or mishaps.

[@joesr31]

Would Si in 3rd or 4th function still show patterns like these? I relate to the exam example she gave however, I not usually a very organized person. When I organized stuff, it only looks organized to me lol, to everyone else, it looks like a mess. Its like structured chaos if that make sense.

[@latteARCH]

@2:28 the description of Ni is exactly how I organize things lol. Black utensils go here. White here. Silverware here. Games in this folder. Definitely not as particular or detailed. After you open up the drawer or folder you may or may not see a mess.

[@KMMOS1]

Black cookware is bad for you. Non-stick coatings with fluorine become carcinogenic especially at high temperatures, and cast iron leeches iron into cooked foods, possibly over daily allowances and accumulated body needs.

[@breakfastenjoyer]

having demon Si, i feel like I reluctantly organize things. It sucks but I know I'm better off when I do organize things.

[@darth_santos1137]

Exactly, I just explained this. That I do prefer to have physical reality organized but I do it reluctantly and when stressed. Are you INTP/INFP or ESTJ/ESFJ?

[@trevorfrayne6418]

I enjoyed watching this the first time and watching Gretchen's expressions. The second time, I enjoyed watching Dave and Shanny's expressions.

[@julay629]

1:05 HI MOM! - Love, your enfp child you always secretly hated for not respecting your fetish for organisation

[@mkultraizzy]

What is the ending supposed to mean?

[@fernandesadrienne28]

As an infj dating an istj, i find myself to be more organized than him. He is ALWAYS leaving something behind accidentally and i wait for him to realise or i tell him about it. And his excuse is "I'm an estp on the weekends". (Coz we meet only on the weekends since both are busy with work-math tutors and other jobs as well) we've been friends for 10 yrs and dating for 5 of those.

[@dawnriddler]

"Cards that we used to get into museums", umm what?!?! So this woman has basically everything in the kitchen except the things you actually need in the kitchen 😂

[@fancyloafwinifred3897]

Ah, didn't get this video the first time. So both women are Si higher - like to be organized and get personal about things. And Ne lower. Ne usually being comfortable with chaos and mess and not taking it personally. But in demon state, it would be the opposite. Also Ne demon would have difficulty dealing with new things as opposed to routine and what's familiar. I think I got it right.

[@AmberAndIce]

I laughed at the end! I HAVE Si!!!

[@JohnnyRapide]

1:53 haha this is so true savior NeTi and even though our appartment is quite messy (mostly because of me) i'm quite bossy to my partner about our stuff

[@freshbakedclips4659]

The perfect example for me as an ENTP is using a favorite spoon, forks, or glasses

[@darth_santos1137]

@@freshbakedclips4659 I think I am on the Ne-Si axis too, I don't really have a favorite item but I do use the same utensils and items frequently and don't get me started on when people touch my things. But when I try to cook, I cook multiple ways (bad at cooking), but when I come to eat the food I have this habit where I taste the food individually then try to mix them to enjoy the taste, I mix the craziest things when eating mix kill myself one day but that seems more like Se than Si

[@malcolmmacinnis247]

I have memory ergo i have Si

[@newdove8113]

@Cliven Longsight Maybe Ne has 'brain memory'? Like, it remembers a bunch of random connections it made in its brain. "I was thinking about this one hypothetical situation, which branched off to this, and reminded me of that other idea, and this concept, and what if - oh, that's what I was thinking about last week! Because I couldn't remember etcetera, and it distracted me from doing this really important thing I had to do - which I still haven't done. Deadlines makes me anxious, and it's late anyway, so I'll do it tomorrow and occupy myself with that one idea, which is actually very similar to this random image that popped into my head while I was listening to Queen yesterday..." I think it would be like a rope of thoughts, or string of consciousness within the mind, centered around ideas - or, more like _scattered_ around ideas, with many ropes and streams. Some more or less connect to other ideas, some don't. Ne reminds me of Doc from Back to the Future, personally. You can see it in their eyes that their searching around their head, looking down all the different lines of thought. I suppose Ni would be similar, but more mentally organized. Edit: Sorry for the long post. I must've been inspired. lol Edit 2: Split it into a couple of paragraphs because I hate reading a wall of words.

[@newdove8113]

​@Cliven Longsight No problem. Rambling about MBTI is probably one of my favorite things to do.

[@federicamaso3143]

@@newdove8113 I've always thought that abstract concepts have some form of "shape". Like, I can connect unrelated topics because the underlying "shape" of the concept is the same to me. It's not necessarily that they are directly connected, like with a rope. My brain remembers things, views the world and organizes itself like this. Is this a SI thing or the NE "memory"?

[@mxd3bill70]

ENTP here, thinking of changing the positions of things slightly one at a time until she notices. :D

[@zach118]

Me, NeTi: Why not just throw all your crap in there and call it a day?

[@BlueHazyDreams]

Idk, I'm one of those organizers who came from chaos after spending a few too many hours looking for something. Every now and then I still have to tear my house apart to find something important because I wasn't consistent with where I put it. When I was younger, I had time for this. Now not so much.

[@jasonwilkerson9497]

Organizing is one thing, but can one maintain the system for a long duration.

[@wissen9000]

give me one day and her kitchen would look like a bomb detonated, give her one day and everything would be clean and organised and the cycle continues lol

[@tfranc347]

Sorry, what? How in gods name is that experience contemplative and relaxing? The only things I remember contemplating are “don’t fart or breath too loud, don’t get the wrong pencil, don’t break any of the other 73 rules, and when the hell do I get to be done with this stupid, stressful test?”

[@thebluedot4728]

yes my special things

[@alexo.o3729]

C:

[@ibanezmonsterg]

Explaining stuff in that much detail like she does is alien to me... also not calming but more unnerving.

[@malcolmmacinnis247]

What do you think about Cs Joseph

[@malcolmmacinnis247]

Idk the scramble is kind of fun

[@noturbo]

This is where the pully thing is..

[@Reqcore]

Also people with savior SI can get stuck on the detail "kitchen" so hard like, you have to explain to them that its an example.

[@akaboo69]

Imho Te organizes. But Si connects dots of sensory experiences in the mind.

[@JoeLaFigue]

Nope, Te creates hierarchy between elements. Your extraverted judger always creates hierarchy. Fe users will "rate" people based on their emotional connection, Te will "rate" people based on their performance. Actions are evaluated this way too. But yes, Si connects dots of sensory experiences, this is true. The difference you'll see, let's say between an ESFJ and an ESTJ will be the following : ESFJ : I organize my kitchen a certain way so people will think highly of me. I'm a scumbag if I can't show a neatly organized kitchen to whoever. => You feel better in a nice kitchen. ESTJ : I organize my kitchen because a kitchen it is useful. I'm a scumbag if someone can't use my kitchen because it's a mess. => You're more efficient in a nice kitchen. Somehow my example is not relatable at all, but the idea should be clear enough. ENTP here : I don't have a kitchen, took the stove away cause I never use it, I only need an oven and a microwave.

[@DGolden247]

JoeLaFigue I have a question about your example, how would someone with Te/Se play approach a kitchen?

[@someonerandom713]

@@JoeLaFigue I like your example, please explain everything! 😁 ENFJ: I organize my kitchen to the extent that it works for me and for it to be funny in some show-offy way for other people. But that's about it. I always have more ideas on organization in my head than I actually apply in reality.

[@ghh-s4f]

even when i try to laugh i can't i'm a dominant Ni

[@wendyraye]

I hate working with people that get bent when things are out of exact order. I get really worked up talking about being put in a “box” at work, and everyone is expected to do the exact same work, same speed, same quality, without making mistakes. I thought I loved to be organized, but I’m realizing I like when unexpected things pop up that I get to help with or solve.

[@andrewd426]

This seems more like Te to me. She's taking her thought process and extraverting it on to the world and everyone around her. She doesn't want anyone to have to think, just follow instructions. Maybe she's ESTJ

[@ayushzaveri8193]

Or a talkative ISTJ

[@dreamluvr1600]

Cliven Longsight dont mind me Cliven but this is the second comment now where ive seen you explain mbti in a great way, like you sound so smart! if you dont mind whats ur type LOL?

[@luisff7030]

So this example have Te in the mix. Thanks for your explanation.

[@ahmadazab7853]

where tf is the Ne????!

[@ranikster9955]

Watching Gretchen Rubin talking about her kitchen drawer, makes me feel slightly nauseated 🤢 I'm probably not Si, then 😞

[@dolfdervish8495]

That first person gets *WAY* too much satisfaction in doing & showing her "discipline" off. I'm getting strong: "Wellp. That's organized all super-duper. LET'S PARTY! *BOING BOING BOING*" vibes from her. Whereas, with person B., "Chaos" *actually* appears to drive her mad. Hmmm. Did you intentionally switch the data & demos around to troll/test us? 😳

[@JesterOfDestiny]

Having you two smirking in the corner will make anyone seem crazy.

[@TheNightsway]

Part of the point is that everyone's crazy in some dimension. How's your kitchen drawer doing, by the way?

[@kjdaniels3267]

Si savior here. Excessive Chaos is the enemy lmao

[@MrLuigiFercotti]

Both my parents are Si+, everything is so organized. I do not. OTOH, I can pack a car into a solid cube of stuff like those building blocks at Machu Pichu, Se+.

[@sharan9993]

So what did she have? She is afraid of the chaos ryt?

[@victorandrade5331]

Ok what just happened. Which one had Ne?

[@AubreeGames]

What I’m wondering is, while say all the savior Si’s might love order or the tried and true or whatever, does it always have to be for the same reasons?

[@robk8648]

Omg yeah I am an ENFP and I am pretty disorganized most of the time and even if my place is a mess I hate it when someone moves my stuff. I get so annoyed.

[@thebluedot4728]

whats yalls types so i can talk shit lol

[@PRoseLegendary]

I swear my partner must be Si about THINGS. Everything has its place, even the toaster has to be put away once we're done with it. I'm more strict about timing. Like I don't care where you keep the keys, the handbag or the counter or on the bed is fine, but we have to do things by certain times so that we get to places on times. I like to know what I'm doing each day, and get frustrated if my plans are interrupted because something took longer or something unexpected came up to derail what I had planned that day.

[@Raindancer221]

oh dear lord....... i've just recently started working on my demon Si and came here to see what it's all about.. I just got a panic attack watching that hero Si lady talk about her kitchen :DDDDD

[@jefflaurence9957]

What does it mean if you're screaming inside the entire time she explains her mail center?

[@4thNebula]

Looking at the clip of this lady it does look that simple!

[@ndcoach29]

I agree 💯 Please don’t touch my stuff and don’t put things in p,aces they don’t BELONG!!! LOL!!

[@meredith18352]

I'd take college over high school any day! Freedom vs structure, my Ne trumps my Si and my kitchen drawers can be chaos incarnate. Great video

[@ayushzaveri8193]

I swear if I wouldn't be studying MBTI I would've but my wrist before I watched that clip of her talking about her kitchen drawer 🙄

[@dabear7335]

Does laughing at Homers hum count?

[@RobsterCWell]

Nope. Don't have it. Ni perhaps?

[@ronakvyas1829]

What do you mean by Demon function? Are you referring to the 4th/inferior function, or are you referring to the 8th function? I've been confused about this in lot of your other videos.

[@KevinPaterson]

In OPS, the saviour functions are 1 and 2, and the demon functions are 3 and 4. The 5-8 functions are considered ‘virtual’ in that people don’t have them, but they can imitate it by combining their actual functions.

[@majorbob7211]

She is so movement... She is either ISTP, INFJ, INTJ, ISTJ,ENFP, ESFP, ENTP OR ESFJ. Knowing her interest for order and the fact that she didn't mention efficiency (Efficiency is Ni). Then she is probably an Si user so either ISTJ, ENFP OR ESFJ. However I don't see Fe I this video(she talks about her own experience and don't mention the fact of giving a good experience to others). So she is Either ENFP OR ISTJ

[@majorbob7211]

@@TheLategates I think that MBTI is a model of peraonality type which help us understand how other people think.And it's a simple system...simplier that Dave's system so I prefer to stick to the MBTI. Anyway... For me, she is an Si user..But Which one... That is the question

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

I agree that it is unlikely isfj. There are ELEMENTS of isfj, but the lack of thought put in for others in a helpful way to me squashes the Fe. We are obsessed with organizing as isfjs, but honestly not like that. I have ‘sacred places,’ but I hide those. They aren’t in the middle of the damn kitchen! That’s just ASKING for conflict! 😂

[@jeffreysherman8224]

I don't get the ending, and I didn't laugh. I happen to not have Si. Can anyone (maybe someone with Si) explain Dave's humor in this one?

[@ayushzaveri8193]

I don't think I have Si either, but what they're trying to say is that online tests randomly post generic sentences that apply in varying degrees to everyone, who reads them, remembers that one time that they did what's mentioned in the sentence and automatically type themselves as having a function or being a type. It's kind of like having a headache and googling brain tumours, which also involve headaches and diagnosing yourself (generally falsely), as having a brain tumour. At the end, the animated clip of Homer and those retarded animals would've made anyone laugh, not just people with Si. So it's an analogy that sort of describes how people wrongly type themselves

[@jeffreysherman8224]

@@ayushzaveri8193 Ah, thanks. I can understand him saying that a random quality or action equals a person having Si. I don't know why we're supposed to laugh at that video though. I was waiting for something funny to happen and it just cut off. A lot of comments said they didn't laugh or didn't get it. Maybe INTJs just have a weird sense of humor.

[@newdove8113]

@@jeffreysherman8224 He's super into MBTI, so he probably sees it everywhere, and it's fun for him to see it in other people.

[@MetalGearIV]

after i thought a lot about Ne and Si, i thought I know everything , but.. The INTP functions keep braking the rules .. INTP Si better than ENTP , yet the chaotic nature in INTP gos on extreme level in general, this make me really wonder that Si alone can organize everything , i remember i discussed with (cliven the longsight) about all functions linked and connected together ,it seems Ti Ne in INTP have high impact on Si performance , making INTP take only half of it ( the power to get things done ) and discard the other half ( organization ) , Ti Ne take all full capacity of INTP mind and some part of Si function .. Yet even this explanation is ok but i don't see it accurate ... Maybe there is something need more research that we don't discover it in theology, or if this explanation was close from true , then maybe all 3rd function work 50% and the other half work very badly , even more than the 4th function , still need more research.

[@JoeLaFigue]

I think you have to take Ne Si, and Se Ni more like an axis, they always go together. My take on it is the following : Ne Si : You live in a "closed/defined" world. Every sensory thing can be measured. The results and interpretation of the measurements become Ne. Finite world, infinite concepts as a results. Se Ni : You live in an infinite Se world, every moment is unique compared to every other one. Yet every one of these unique moments is a manifestation of an Ni eternal, unchanging concept. Finite concepts, infinite possibilities of their manifestations. My problem as an ENTP is I instantly see the concept, but cannot really trace it back to its sensory impulse of origin. I have "hunches" about everything, I tend to say "I feel" a lot. "He seemed dishonnest when talking to me, something wasn't right. - What wasn't right ? - I don't know really, he was ... fidgetting and shit ... lemme try to remember" I'm not an INTP so I can't say how it should work inside an INTP's mind, but you should have less problems saying "what was off". But anyways : try to take MBTI for what it is. You cannot define how your Si works, if you're only thinking about a certain type of situations. For example : I'm bad at Si in my everyday life, but my Si at work is AMAZING. I keep everything where it is supposed to be and everything, as long as I'm at work. Once I'm at home everything's a mess. You can mostly identify your Si Ne relationship in a conversation, try to explain something in real life to someone. How does "the example" complete "the principle" you're trying to talk about ? If you really get stuck with "It feels like X concept" you may have good Ne with a bad Si. If you can only talk about "X happened, then X happened, and now I don't know what to do." => Bad Ne, good Si.

[@JoeLaFigue]

Then you're talking about how you are "bad" at Si => I'm hearing "I can't get organized, what should I do ?' If you're INTP, it shouldn't be your problem, you're most likely to have an Fe demon, and connecting with others should be your issue. If you have an Ne-Si problem : you literally do not understand what is going on around you. But you obviously have an Fe problem : "I should be organized, because people around me are organized. How can I fit into the organization ?" You were asking the wrong questions. Don't feel bad because you're messy. Improve your communication and you won't have to justify being messy.

[@MetalGearIV]

@@JoeLaFigue man thanks but this is have nothing with what i talk about , plus i'm ENTP and i know these stuff , my concern was about why INTP are more chaotic than ENTP , when INTP have better Si than ENTP.

[@heatherbryant4197]

I think that because INTPs have Ne/Si in the middle of their stack, they feel much more internal conflict. Ne and Si are engaged in a kind of tug of war, pulling the person towards both routine/familiar/organization and seeking novelty. ENTPs seem to have an easier time going with the flow and embracing the random, so long as they are not being criticized or made to feel insecure about their inferior Si. I've found the way some people describe the 3rd function as a "scorecard" or source of internal validation to be true. While ENTPs feel validated by their ideas being valued by the tribe, INTPs feel validated by their ability to organize the chaos and stay consistent, both logically consistent and consistent with their self-narrative. I think being more aware of the 3rd function makes it more frequently conflict with the other side of its axis (though perhaps less dramatically or noticeably than a 1st & 4th conflict?). Also, I wouldn't say INTPs discard the organization part of Si entirely. The way I see it play out is, when Si is higher than Ne (or "Si savior"): "Every thing has its place." Ne over Si (or "Ne savior"): "There's a method to my madness." There's an organization to the chaos that no one else can see.

[@MetalGearIV]

@@heatherbryant4197 good explanation, but every time i apply INTP example on other personalities with their 3rd functions, they don't break the rules in general like INTP case , the other personalities they either use 3rd function or they don't, but for INTP it's like : Instead of organize my environment, i can use this time for something more important , or making things done ! ( meaning INTP use Si and not use it at same time ) While ENTP Si sometimes blow up and organize - clean everything even the small details , than they back to laziness again..

[@mickdooley8994]

Gretchen is an ENTJ though...

[@natepolidoro4565]

I have Si child. Oof

[@crshia]

I did laugh, but even more because it was in Homer's head.

[@crshia]

it isn't as funny if the song isn't there.

[@arstneio5753]

So was this women ISFJ or ISTJ?

[@decroh]

Ti/Si (INTP)

[@deb.e.9787]

My god, you talk fast

[@louiselarc9180]

No because you don’t understand what this pain feels like: living with my single ISFJ mom somebody rescue me pls -ENTP

[@altia9415]

First: I'm trying to compare your theories/terminology to C. S. Joseph's. He claims that his method is also objective. What do you guys think of his stuff? He said he would contact you... Second: As an INTP, I like to quiet my mind before I take a test. I would not like THAT chaos in the least. Then again, I do have child Si. Huh. Actually who, what types, would actually prefer the second example of testing? Some might be less phased or indifferent. But prefer? There is something more than her words that makes this clip an example of dominant Si. The visual context adds?? If I were to only hear the audio of that clip I might believe it was something an anxious INTP (or anyone with test anxiety) might say...??? These videos alone are confusing. There isn't enough information or context. Are you trying to make me give you $19/month to fill in the blank spots?!! Well I might have to do just that...

[@alexandragatto]

Did I laugh because I have Si or do I have Si because I laughed? (Also WHY is it funny to Si? Genuinely wanna know!)

[@dreamluvr1600]

Alex Gatto dave is pulling a gag to see if people will actually fall for it, he put it in there to continue his point about how people will type themselves over simple vague pieces of information, im shit at explaining things LOL but basically yeah the “if you laugh at this you have Si” is a joke, doesnt mean the video isnt funny or that you dont have Si but yeah

[@alexandragatto]

@@dreamluvr1600 Yeah makes sense haha. I was thinking maybe because it's old timey and we're traditionalists lmao :P

[@dreamluvr1600]

Alex Gatto oh yeah that does make sense too! i’m sorry if my first message came off as super Blast-y LOL it’s so hard to convey tone thru text

[@Wes-dr3hx]

That lady is OCD and that’s an extreme example of Si. I’d put the tape and scissors in different drawers to mess with her and pretend I didn’t know how they got there. She’d explode 🤯

[@bbjudyfit]

As an INFP, I'd find that extremely hilarious.

[@seignee]

that's terrible tho she prob worked on it

[@anyone359]

That's not OCD. She's doing it because she *wants* things to be organized and in place, that's extreme Si.

[@blakewood2755]

As INTP I cringed after what she was talking about. Actually uncomfortable video.

[@knightofswords.]

I figured that I’m an ENFP. I was a little suspiscious of my conclusion until I saw this woman talking. Literally I had to say out loud “shut up nobody gives a fuck” and also I just had an exam this morning

[@ENFPerspectives]

Are you guys high?

[@himawari5844]

ISXJ

[@aprilbl00m]

I'm an INFP and whenever I see someone with an insufferably rigid system, I just have the urge to mess with it. My FIL was an ISTJ who was particularly rigid about little sensory things, so I would do little things to upset the system. Nothing serious, just for fun. For example, he had a method for storing forks in the cutlery draw - they all had to be stacked together and at the same angle. I dislike that level of order on principle, so sometimes I would turn his forks over and watch him have a little freak out. (This was all in fun. It was like a game. I would never do anything to seriously upset him)

[@a1baba]

This makes no sense... it's not new vs same, it's time vs spacial....stop using Jungian/ MBTI and start using socionics c:

[@myheatgoesboomboomboom1655]

Im an intp my apratment is a mess but it is an orgnaized mess things stay in the same place for months until my family comes to vist than they make me clean and i play along

[@altia9415]

First: I'm trying to compare your theories/terminology to C. S. Joseph's. He claims that his method is also objective. What do you guys think of his stuff? He said he would contact you... Second: As an INTP, I like to quiet my mind before I take a test. I would not like THAT chaos in the least. Then again, I do have child Si. Huh. Actually who, what types, would actually prefer the second example of testing? Some might be less phased or indifferent. But prefer? There is something more than her words that makes this clip an example of dominant Si. The visual context adds?? If I were to only hear the audio of that clip I might believe it was something an anxious INTP (or anyone with test anxiety) might say...??? These videos alone are confusing. There isn't enough information or context. Are you trying to make me give you $19/month to fill in the blank spots?!! Well I might have to do just that...

[@altia9415]

First: I'm trying to compare your theories/terminology to C. S. Joseph's. He claims that his method is also objective. What do you guys think of his stuff? He said he would contact you... Second: As an INTP, I like to quiet my mind before I take a test. I would not like THAT chaos in the least. Then again, I do have child Si. Huh. Actually who, what types, would actually prefer the second example of testing? Some might be less phased or indifferent. But prefer? There is something more than her words that makes this clip an example of dominant Si. The visual context adds?? If I were to only hear the audio of that clip I might believe it was something an anxious INTP (or anyone with test anxiety) might say...??? These videos alone are confusing. There isn't enough information or context. Are you trying to make me give you $19/month to fill in the blank spots?!! Well I might have to do just that...