Neanderthals and Denisovans

[@gottpersoenlich]

I live 3 kilometers away from the neander valley where the Neanderthaler (tal is german for valley) was found . It is a great place for going on a walk and the archaeological sides and museums are very interesting and I have been there multiple times.

[@gullyfoyle3253]

Fascinating, thank-you! I know its stupid but it makes me feel kind of sad and lonely that we have no extant Hominin kin.

[@hydroids]

That's not stupid. I find archaic humans fascinating and wish I could meet some of them.

[@OmniversalInsect]

Given how much we discriminate against members of our own species I can't imagine what it would be like with other species.

[@gullyfoyle3253]

@@OmniversalInsect, very good point!

[@marvelous971-j6m]

​@OmniversalInsect, actually, our ancestors treated them better than modern people treated racial minorities.

[@JubioHDX]

@@marvelous971-j6m Theres not any substantial proof of that, nothing was written down back in those days but language almost certainly existed, theres no way to tell how they were talked about or treated. Yes there was some crossbreeding, but even in incredibly racist societies modern humans had and have interracial relationships with discriminated against groups as well. Theres plenty of reason to believe that warring and killing happened just as often as breeding did as well, its not like every neanderthal either died of old age, disease, or hunting accidents, theres multiple specimens that have been found that were very clearly killed by other hominins. And given the history of homo sapiens as a whole (with there never being a year in recorded history without a war), that implies that fighting over territory and resources mustve happened, because either we wouldve started it ourselves, OR neanderthals were also keen to fight over similar things, which would also lead to fights with homo sapiens in retaliation if neanderthals ever started it. Basically, theres no proof at all they were treated better, or even worse for that matter. They were likely treated the same. Just another rival tribe, whod they both fight and kill or sleep with depending on the given scenario in which they met

[@cyrushirst616]

This is a really odd compliment and I apologise if it seems backhanded. But you are one of the few people that I respect so much I don’t think I would ever need to like you to listen to you. Keep up the good work, you’re really cool.

[@puckhockey4733]

Boy I really hope one of the future videos in this series covers the "Great Leap Foward" and homo sapiens sapiens. Fascinating and mysterious!

[@2for99cents]

Thank you for the video Dave.

[@potatoeh8180]

Professor Dave you have been carrying me since the start of Grade 12. Currently exam prepping for uni and your exams are a live-saver

[@slavicemperor8279]

After reading a book ,,Who We Are and How We Got Here" by geneticist David Reich I remember him positing that Neanderthals actually were likely very similar in terms of cognitive function to us but due to lacking the FOXP2 gene which codes for a CNS transcriptional repressor resulted in them having limited communication abilities which significantly impacted social cohesion. The hypothesis was somewhat corroborated by a study in mice where the gene having analogous coding function to FOXP2 was modified or silenced, they displayed behavioral differences such as making odd sounds and miscommunicating their needs. I've heard recently this has been called into question, but interesting hypothesis nontheless.

[@omrb132]

Very interesting!

[@user-fy3ez8pw1v]

All of a sudden caveman are smart 🤣🤣🤣

[@warrencolegrove1]

Thank you for all you do, Dave

[@sammymaestro7642]

Simple, informative, straight to the point... Appreciate you Prof ✊🏾

[@rc7625]

Why is Marjorie Taylor Green in the thumbnail?

[@inversealien]

I literally came to make the same joke

[@GallowsBound1]

You beat me to it 😆😆

[@keniag5]

You read my mind 😂

[@lesray5788]

Don't denigrate Neanderthals like that! Lol

[@Sapioso]

*FATALITY*

[@unrecognizedtalent3432]

I'm mlre partial to the fiery debate videos on the channel, but I'm occasionally also fascinated by the many well assembled videos on all sorts of the topics Dave covers! Thanks Professor!

[@micnorton9487]

Professor Dave is also an accomplished musician,, he reminds me of Dave Grohl without the heroin lol... youtube.com/@simulatedsun?si=nBdQRDPCvoZjXoPr

[@h0ll0wknight16]

Hey Dave, I'm a grade 12 Learner from South Africa, and we are recently doing human evolution. My teacher doesn't even believe in evolution (major religious country/school). I don't understand how someone who got through college, lived to 32 and has 2 kids can just deny facts because it doesn't conform to their religion. I'll be watching your videos instead, thank you for the content you make.

[@greenflagracing7067]

ok padawan, one day you'll figure out why you shouldn't dunk on people who have different beliefs because they don't conform to your own, even when you're correct. and in parasocial relationships, approval from content creators means squat.

[@h0ll0wknight16]

@@greenflagracing7067 Evolution is not a belief, it's a fact. And I find it hard to believe someone who teaches biology in the school system denies facts in favor of dogma, and why do you find issue with the fact that ignorance annoys me ? This seems like a weird thing to comment about. And fuck you for calling me a padawan, that's really cringe. And fuck you twice over for saying I can't leave a comment on a video I like, I mean are you the lord of who decides what to comment ? L comment, no bitches, touch grass . I mean you really got mad over a 18yo making a comment on a youtube video. Damn your life must be sad for you to waste your time like this.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

​@@greenflagracing7067Different beliefs? Science is about evidence, not faith.

[@greenflagracing7067]

@@NinjaMonkeyPrime That's beside the point, something you are just going to have to learn the hard way. Trashing people for what they believe is not going to get you far in life, young padawan.

[@mad5161]

​@@greenflagracing7067yep even If I know that people around me live in being delusional, I don't tell them because I know that it might restrict some of my access to success and possibly harm my health. Because of this exact reason religions were able to exist for so long. But on the internet, I tell them on their faces that they have false beliefs and so do other people, and we will eventually see religions losing influence over time.

[@Mrpar827]

I love the explanation, finally a proper video on this stuff! Dig the haircut!

[@andrewjones6693]

Thanks, Dave. Great series!

[@verizonextron]

i hate how the member badge is a JPG and not a PNG

[@lipgloss202]

Whenever an american talk about their italian, irish or whatever heritage. I will be talking about my neanderthal heritage.

[@greenflagracing7067]

and that's something you want to be proud of? they couldn't manage to domesticate dogs and apparently were cannibals. your ancestors included tree shrews and dimetrodons. why not be proud of them?

[@davidaugustofc2574]

​@@greenflagracing7067 yeah

[@ZalamaTheDragonGod]

We get it, everything is cousins ​@@greenflagracing7067

[@fart63]

@@greenflagracing7067there are cannibalistic humans too so by your logic why would you want to be associated with them either?

[@awnzotheman]

​@greenflagracing7067 and cockroaches will probably outlive homosapians. Even with all our technology.

[@leslieviljoen]

More quality content from professor Dave!

[@IbnMeriemAlRoumi]

Amazing video, please do more like these

[@hezekiahslind1795]

thanks for the research on the Neanderthals you did. I kinda wish there was more on the Denisovans, but i’m guess research on them was limited. Thumbs up from me!

[@siobhanquinn4635]

Thank you for the video !!!!

[@a.N.....]

Man those 8 mins went by fast

[@charliestrohm9919]

New professor Dave dropped🔥🔥🔥

[@pramodsingh7569]

Thanks

[@DrCocofruit]

This is so interesting to learn, the homonid development is so cool

[@ムハロト]

Just finished the physics courses. And now, I need to see my physics applied. We want an engineering course!

[@Citrobyte]

What college did you go to? Because you are one of the best science communicators out there, and I’m a young person looking to have a bright future in science.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Carleton college! I highly recommend it.

[@Citrobyte]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains Thank you!

[@matttcoburn]

Fantastic summary Dave.

[@monsoonmusic]

really wish the process used to determine if they're interbred was explained in the video.

[@The-first-and-only-bobfish]

Hmmmm I wonder why

[@theangrysuchomimus5163]

Was the DNA in the Denisova Cave sufficiently intact to produce a clone? Though I doubt a Denisovan would be cloned even if it was possible due to ethics.

[@bosswinrwin]

the aeta indigenous in bataan, philippines, they said in study that we have denisovan dna.

[@anba9499]

clear minds are refreshing

[@wayofthekodiak3118]

LMAO 🤣

[@robr9170]

Why are they considered different species even though we were able to cross breed?

[@SCWillson]

For the same reason lions and tigers can cross breed but are considered different species: because "species " is an arbitrary label used for convenience.

[@robr9170]

@@SCWillson thank you!

[@TheAllAmericanSocialistMTR1000]

Very well done.

[@thedeathcake]

Brilliant video!

[@viliussmproductions]

Absolutely fascinating!

[@citizencj3389]

The thumbnail got me dead dave 😂😂😂

[@seanmcdonough8815]

Great one.

[@flynnferal5878]

brief discussion question: we know that "modern" humans interbred with these other humans and that some Neanderthal/Denisovan DNA survives within us as a result, right? what's your opinion on the idea that we inherited certain neurotypes/mental conditions (e.g. ADHD) from the Neanderthals/Denisovans as part of this?

[@wayofthekodiak3118]

They were all human! C'mon man 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[@The-first-and-only-bobfish]

Did you just call me a caveman bitch?

[@rainbow_doglover8301]

So interesting that the fossils suggest they didn’t divide labor along gendered lines! I take it that means that early human remains indicate that we often did? Or that we did it more, at least?

[@jw-nz2vx]

In larger groups you tend to be able to divide labor more, which leads to more specialization. Over time I'm sure that gender roles sprung forward from that, as the different genders proved to be better suited (on average) to certain tasks. As the video says, Neanderthals tended to live in smaller family units as compared to humans of the time, possibly owing to their comparatively less advanced communication abilities.

[@jamiegallier2106]

I love this series.❤

[@mirai9562]

Will there be another hominin after homo sapiens?

[@TheIndianMasculineMan]

They already have. They are called flat earthers, LGBTQs etc etc.......😅😅😅😂😂😂

[@archibaldvonkranski8881]

Robosapian

[@consciousmassofatoms]

Something I think about a lot is the rapidly increasing rate of technology that modern humans live alongside, and if and how that’s going to affect our evolutionary path on a macro scale in foreseen or unforeseen ways

[@Class10_Biology]

​@@TheIndianMasculineMan you forgot Sigma males. Fun fact- LGBTQ community has always existed in India and Hinduism is the only religion that allows people to be like that. It's a sin in another religions.

[@The-first-and-only-bobfish]

@@TheIndianMasculineManyou were almost funny and then you ruined it

[@henryelicker2403]

Dave, stop using pictures of me in your thumbnails. Thank you.

[@anr1593]

There can be only one. Thanks Dave!

[@imanilim6632]

I became an atheist after I understood evolution and its implications to my religious beliefs. The idea that an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god that created homo sapiens in his image after millions years of evolution didn't make sense to me. It is quite obvious on the other hand that we homo sapiens invented gods in our image. Just read these religious text and you would smell the stench of human ego. If we would have gotten extinct and neanderthals would have survived. I would not be surprised if neanderthals invented religion and claim that neanderthal looking gods exists But of course homo sapiens just like denisovans and neanderthals are just one out of many species of primates moreso life

[@greenflagracing7067]

"stench of human ego" well, you know yourself best.

[@doctorgorgomel]

​@@greenflagracing7067 well, he used to be a theist

[@snookoed]

@@greenflagracing7067your comment says more about you than anything else. Hateful and stupid.

[@wayofthekodiak3118]

Because you used a childish anthropomorphization of what God/the universe/ or whatever you want to call it is. You're no better than the theists you deride.

[@doctorgorgomel]

@@wayofthekodiak3118 if most religions depict childish, humanlike gods, it's also not our friend's fault, is it?

[@phillipstock2652]

Most of the comments here prove we havnt progressed very far as a species.

[@TheIndianMasculineMan]

Professor dave, what books do you refer for anthropology....????😅

[@MossyMozart]

My dear Ms Erika G. Gibbon - I _CANNOT_ even believe that you put into this script: "Neanderthals looked more "apeish"!!! Just look at the impish smile on the man pictured. They did NOT look more "apeish" - they looked more Neanderthalish! *_Respect your ancestors!!_*

[@Albertandearthie]

Wrong. "Neanderthalish" Doesn't mean anything, neither does impish, or anything else. He did respect Homo Neanderthalensis in this tutorial, showing you haven't even watched it. Shut up.

[@fellowresearchertalloran]

Erika has neanderthal ancestor ?!

[@Albertandearthie]

HE DID RESPECT THE NEANDERTHALS

[@petersage5157]

Dave, next time you speak with Erika GG, please ask her how an anthropologist pronounces Denisovan. Aside from that, this video is up to your usual high standard for educational videos; keep up the good work.

[@laxlyfters8695]

At 0:07 confirms I am still having the humor of a second grader and giggled 😅

[@aurelielagrange2173]

When & why did hominids switch to hominins? I’m a long way from my Anthro major days.

[@Cat_Woods]

Both terms still exist. I don't know enough to make the distinction, but I'm sure you'll find it if you look it up.

[@aurelielagrange2173]

@@Cat_Woods From Smithsonian: “If you follow news about human evolution, you’ve probably noticed that our ancestors are increasingly called hominins rather than hominids. Why the change? It’s the result of researchers revising how they classify primates.”

[@Cat_Woods]

@@aurelielagrange2173 Yeah, but I've heard people who are up on all the terminology use both terms. They mean different things. Humans are both. I forget where the dividing line is.

[@aurelielagrange2173]

@@Cat_WoodsGrowing DNA evidence has resulted in classification changes. Pongidae is no more, given gorillas & chimpanzees are more closely related to humans than orangutans. Fascinating stuff. I’m sad I’m no longer connected to academia and get to study this stuff. Would if I could but I can’t so I don’t get to study for a MA in physical anthropology.

[@neildegrassetysonwithaknife]

Hominins are a group within the hominids (great apes). Hominins include the genera Homo, Australopithecus, Paranthropus, Sahelanthropus, etc. But it excludes the pannin (chimp) lineage. Homininae (the hominins) are a subgroup within hominidae. Hominidae also includes chimps, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans, and their respective fossil lineages. It goes like this: Primates > Hominids > Hominins > Homo So all hominins are also hominids. It's just an extra layer.

[@GallowsBound1]

So nice of you to make a video about Marjorie Taylor Greene

[@jeremyclark9697]

I like videos like this much more than dunking on flat earthers. This is the Professor Dave I remember.

[@_xxClaudiaxx_]

Another great vid. Thanks dave

[@owvon222]

Thumbnail looks like joe rogan and every Podcast guests in one 😂

[@AlanSmitheeman]

I certainly hope that H.Sapiens did not exterminate the Neanderthals and Denisovans but I fear that it may be a possibility since our species is so prone to war.

[@greenflagracing7067]

they got out competed by their betters and didn't have their own domesticated wolves. I know that dogs like to hang around trash but even they have limits. so they got extincted like tens of thousands of other failed species since the earth opened for business.

[@HeroMenghwarHb]

Can I contact with you sir

[@YandreYak]

I just remembered J.Tour -- wanted to call him H. Nefariensis

[@alish5417]

Knee under thal ,knee under thal ,nitherlands are the knee uder thals

[@Anti-World_Theory]

Don't they all look so happy?

[@GJCServices]

DAVE IS THE THUMB NAIL MTG

[@dalailarose1596]

I wonder how neanderthals survived childbirth with those big heads 🤔 Homo sapiens sometimes doesn't survive it.

[@nikosantos1172]

big hips?

[@Vegeta-4101]

I genuinely thought at first glance this was some bad Markiplier thumbnail for a game or something before seeing it was for Professor Dave lmao.

[@Billsomebody89]

Wait, isn't that just a photo of you from a 90s single use Kodak?

[@DarkSynthphony]

When and why did anthropologists start calling then Nee an der tul, as opposed to nee an dra thal? It seem to be around the 2010s.

[@TylerMarkRichardson]

Its called an accent Hope this helps

[@adriani9432]

Nee an der thull = American Accent Nee an da thall = British Accent

[@hydroids]

Because they were discovered in Neander Valley

[@youvegottobekiddingme4952]

Tal is how the ending would be pronounced in the Neander region.

[@StickManVS]

@@TylerMarkRichardson no its not an accent, he can pronounce both t and th with his accent just fine. Hope this helps.

[@Kermit_T_Frog]

Seems like an arbitrary division. With every refinement of our understanding of Neanderthals, they get more and more human.

[@BRUTE_FORCE-v8e]

🌹³♧ Explain why they begun cooking food

[@RevilHermes]

I have some neanderthal in me :D I'm not picky either :P

[@izukumidoriya5821]

hi dave :3

[@unrecognizedtalent3432]

5 hundred and 94th! 😬😬😬

[@yoursubconscious]

honest question: the "h" is silent? I guess I should just google this question 😂

[@MonkeyAtTypewriter]

Wait...all the Dennis' come from one line? Does this include the Denise's? Are there Fredisovans?!?! Im an idiot, great video 😂

[@AECholakian]

I love you Dave I am your loyal soldier! I know I misspelled “your” but I did it to be ironic ❤

[@AECholakian]

Whoops! You’re! Autocorrect ruins my irony!

[@AECholakian]

You’re weird

[@Therealmartiandeity]

I'm here. ❤❤❤😂😂😂 class clown

[@openpowercom]

I have thumbnails turned off on my KZbin - I assume Terrence Howard and Eric Weinstein feature in the thumbnail!🤣

[@Albertandearthie]

before 10 mins gang!

[@DanielTrenholm-pq9op]

From the title I thought this was another flat earth video

[@LisaAnn777]

Flat earthers are much less intelligent than Neanderthal.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Relatives Tasty, tasty relatives.

[@AbdealiMalkani]

We never are them, what a bummer😢.

[@panafricandesignsandapparel]

Introgression.

[@nicky3239]

Can you make a video explaining the science behind why we are going back to being Neanderthals?

[@littlewormtony7218]

We were never Neanderthals tho.

[@thankyouforsubscribing5555]

Because flat-earthers are having babies.

[@Cadam-mk7oy]

We never were neanderthals.

[@Loots1]

It's a joke clearly.....

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

I'm surprised I only have ~2% Neanderthal DNA, actually...

[@Tommyinoz1971]

I saw the thumb nail and I thought this video was going to be about Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[@nikosantos1172]

imagine getting owned by someone with this god damned hair cut

[@balaclavabob001]

I thought MTG was blonde ...

[@hanknotchinaski8222]

Not another video about Marjorie Tay - oh...

[@lunacylander1437]

Only takes 7 minutes to explain Dave’s ancestry. 😂

[@AlbertaGeek]

Edgelord is edgy.

[@m007mm]

Robert Sepehr has interesting views on these matters. 🎉

[@Nxck2440]

They are not interesting, just racist.

[@stardust_memories2260]

If neanderthal and sapiens were intimate, would it be considered beastiality?

[@markgrayson7514]

Your video popped up and I confused your material for a moment. I pictured you arguing against the beliefs of Neanderthals and Denisovans like you do Flat Earthers and Christian Scientists.

[@SlamBeegad]

CLICKBAIT THUMBNAIL!!! This video is NOT about Marjorie Taylor Greene!

[@greengelacid2061]

Yea it is….

[@thedeathcake]

I'm unfamiliar with that pronoucation. Have i been saying that word saying my whole life? 😢

[@RulgertGhostalker]

compare the Jebel Iroud- 1 skull with the La Ferrasse-1 skull and the Dragonman ( H.Longi ) skull ....which one is the homosapien ? then compare all those to Naledi, and ask yourself...which one is of a different species?

[@batuayde2074]

I like your question, it shakes the scientific communities narrative quite well. Even today what makes us different from other organisms?? We are much similar to other beings genetically and physically, so what makes us different from them? It’s how we think, live and act that differentiates us.

[@dylanlunsford9800]

first

[@ts-900]

This proves Survival of the dumbest.

[@MabDarogan2]

It's pronounced De-NI-so-van, not De-nis-O-van

[@m007mm]

Neanderthal PREDATOR! 🔥 I saw a convincing video on this. Big eyes for hunting at night etc. Today's scientists try to portray them as dumb humans, but they were more like dangerous animals. ❤

[@ivoryas1696]

@m007mm Ummm, why not both? Minus the "dumb" bit...

[@greenflagracing7067]

@@ivoryas1696 they were dumb. around for 400,000 years and couldn't domesticate anything or invent the Browning Automatic Rifle.

[@ivoryas1696]

@@greenflagracing7067 Yeah, I guess, but societal development is *_way_* more complicated than simply "dumb or not". _The _*_vast_* majority of anatomically modern humans across history lived more primitively than _functionally _*_every_* human after ~10,000 BCE. There seems to be a rather distinct _lack_ of "inevitable human dominance" in a manner which could be attributed solely to intellect from the literature I've seen. Also, I suppose that's not a _terribly_ robust reading list... What have _you_ seen?

[@greenflagracing7067]

@@ivoryas1696 We're here, they're not. H. sapiens blossomed after inferior hominins were taken off the board. Neanders were evolutionary and more importantly, cultural failures.

[@abobakar1099]

What will happen next 😂😂 🐕

[@greenflagracing7067]

I've wondered what kind of rights those brutes would have if they survived. Historically as slaves, or recently as intelligent pets (like golden retrievers), or useful tools, like mine-hunting dolphins. I don't see them embraced by Enlightenment philosophers and the modern source of human rights. Today, at best, the Neanders would have a kind of special protected status, like mentally disabled H.sapiens, or perhaps the French.

[@The-first-and-only-bobfish]

Dude no

[@zeneyep6590]

Mr ROBOTO

[@Pottatow]

Oh these are youtube commenters.

[@Masteralien186]

Cant wait to see all the triggered creationists in the comments.

[@HsusJsjs-j9i]

Slow and dumb? these creatures or earth could never be if they accelerated and accomplished more then ive seen the living do or resent historical past snice 1500s foot prints of theses bowheads has a story motion