Neanderthals Had A Sense of Aesthetics | 7 Days of Science

In this week's episode of 7 Days of Science, Doug takes us through the wonderful world of outer space (again), a brilliant stegosaurus skeleton is sold for a colossal amount, and we talk about Orcas.
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[@fatalisblack7213]

Glad to know that humanity's love and curiosity with fossils is an ancestral trait.

[@chazzwozzio]

The primal urge to show everyone cool rock i found

[@lenabreijer1311]

​@@chazzwozzioyes. My 22 month old granddaughter scours my driveway for "cool rocks" I guess it goes very very deep into our DNA.

[@AusDenBergen]

Man, that hand ax with the fossil in the middle is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I'd love to have that.

[@hankwilliams3616]

Couldn't help but smile at that creation. Just knowing some early humanoid thought he was the man making that trendy little hand axe however many millennia ago...and his work still being admired by other humanoids however many millennia later.

[@johannageisel5390]

@@hankwilliams3616 Exactly. Out sense of aesthetics cannot be too different from theirs. I also think the fossil handaxe is damn f_ing cool.

[@thelaughinghyenas8465]

I liked the Neanderthal story. We get lots of dinosaur news but not enough news about our family tree.

[@southron_d1349]

Very sciencey science being scienced here.

[@misterflibble6601]

The more humankind explores life, the universe and everything, the more we're bound to keep saying "that shouldn't be there"

[@Kargoneth]

R.I.P. Neanderthals.

[@Breakfast_of_Champions]

Don't say that to Brock Lesnar😅

[@Doggypaddle8]

I'm sad that the little ppl are gone. The Desiti?? I don't remember their name, but it would be so cool if other humanoids were still around.

[@Kargoneth]

@@Doggypaddle8 wrote: "I'm sad that the little ppl are gone. The Desiti?? I don't remember their name, but it would be so cool if other humanoids were still around." The Denisovans?

[@2nerC9]

There still here with us

[@hgriff14]

im alive right now 😂

[@este.bahn92]

BROOOO I'VE COME FULL CIRCLE. THAT THUMNAIL GOT ME INTO ONE OF TREY'S VIDEOS AND THEN I GOT INTO ALL THE PALEO CHANNELS!

[@floranse5205]

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE

[@Crowborn]

HELL YEA! a wonderful rabbit hole to explore

[@picksalot1]

Arthropods, fish, birds, etc. all have sense of aesthetics, which can be seen in their various "display" behaviors. The idea that it is somehow noteworthy that Neanderthals also did, is not surprising.

[@qwertyuiopgarth]

My cat moves the clothing or towels that she decides to sleep on around for a couple of minutes before the lays down. She is making it be the way that she wants it to be. That is pretty much the most basic definition of a sense of esthetics. So I would expect a close relative to have artistic/esthetic preferences that matter as much to them as mine do to me. Some of them might be a tinge weird though....

[@Carlos-bz5oo]

Birds have a diverse sense of aesthetics as well

[@johannageisel5390]

@@Carlos-bz5oo Yes, that's what I thought of.

[@michaelbanks2357]

Yes, it still slays me when you hear about an exciting discovery of how a given animal or other hominid exhibits a behavioral trait that is so much like us!! Many still don't get that we are exhibiting that clever human trait because we inherited it from a remote ancestor!

[@fist-of-doom487]

@@johannageisel5390 Birds also have a taste in music. Not all birds or even birds within the same species like the same genres of music. I remember a story of how a parrot loved the sound of pop music and hated Heavy Metal. Meanwhile there was another Parrot who adored Metal and would obsessively sing Bodies by Drowning Pool. Their was even a Cat who learned how to use a Sound Board to communicate and the cat interpreted “later” as “No” or “Never” their was a video where the owner was playing music and used the sound board to say “noise ouch later” aka “I don’t want to hear that awful music”

[@johannageisel5390]

@@fist-of-doom487 I know Billi. :)

[@patreekotime4578]

Direct evidence of people in the Americas that early means there needs to be some reassesment of some of the megafauna extinctions that happened. For a long time I always heard that humans could not have contributed to some of these extinctions because people were not here.

[@lenabreijer1311]

All mega fauna all over the world died out at the same time during the younger dryas. Even though humans everywhere else had been around for 80,000 years or much more.

[@Laura-kl7vi]

That Aschullean handaxe with the shell fossil is beautiful

[@patrickmccurry1563]

As to aesthetics, I remember reading of some small stone with natural erosion patterns of a vague smiley face. The fascinating part was that it was far from where it formed and could only have been moved by a Homo erectus.

[@Kapnohuxi_folium]

I fucking love science

[@orsonzedd]

No shout out to evil scientists doing evil science?

[@oiltoast3723]

I h8 it

[@Kv-2Heavy]

@@orsonzedd we love evil science too

[@mhdfrb9971]

Except political science

[@DinoNico95]

REAL

[@OneStressedStormCloud]

The orca carnage is back!

[@AifDaimon]

Metriorynchids are among my favourite prehistoric reptiles that weren't related to the non-avian dinosaurs.. Their sleekness is so serpentine

[@thelittleal1212]

Same, their my favorite group of marine reptiles

[@beastmaster0934]

@@thelittleal1212 Mine too. Marine, live-bearing, armorless crocodiles. How cool is that!?

[@kersebleptes1317]

Always good to hear from Doug. Even better when he's in his true form!

[@elligilberg1564]

I like him in person too 😄

[@AwesomeFish12]

Homo cardboardensis.

[@Daisythepage]

2:52 I like how all the chimps in this picture seem to style their hair differently

[@OlessanYT]

Science? In YOUR science show? It's more likely than you think!

[@gl15col]

I'll guarantee you scientists are not upset by the discoveries on Mars. Instead they are busy making new calculations and getting together with colleagues and speaking in excited voices. New information is the reason they send out rovers, and something unexpected is the best. And a humpback whale just landed on top of a small fishing boat off the New Hampshire coast. The 2 men survived, and the whale appeared unharmed. But I'm sure the boat owner is not happy.

[@Cat_Woods]

Is anyone else rooting for the marine mammals (despite the property damage)?

[@johannageisel5390]

"Ouch, I stepped on a Lego brick!" - humpback whale, probably

[@thatestoniancountryball]

wake up new 7 days of science episode dropped 🔥🔥🔥

[@kirocontoy]

All this science about science is fantastic. The Scientists doing scientific science are doing wonders for the improvement of Science

[@utaatu4576]

That lil beginning monologue. Y'all you bring me joy. SCIENCE!!!!

[@Anonymjen-rz3xu]

I love the low tech presentation! So refreshing not to be distracted by un-necessarily flashy production. Keep it up. Becoming one of my favourite channels.

[@RainbowDice117]

Don’t understand why the hell billionaires can just… buy fossils like that for a private collection. At all. Glad he chose to share that amazing skeleton

[@legendre007]

There always new discoveries about how Neanderthals were more sophisticated than we thought. There should come a day soon when, rather than use “Neanderthal” as an insult to mean “primitive,” the word be used as praise to mean “sophisticated.” ✨🥰✨

[@Cowpitulate]

Ashkenazi's are the direct descendants of the Neanderthal, in some cases having a crazy high percentage of DNA relation (13%) And Ashkenazi's are one of the most dominant groups of people in the modern world. (and by dominant i mean, they are in all places of power and high level profession, such as law makers, scientists, doctors, chemical engineers)

[@AifDaimon]

​@@Cowpitulateany evidence to back this up?

[@Cowpitulate]

@@AifDaimon ye, plenty, go find it yourself though, I'm not going to link hundreds of fucking citations to you on youtube, or do you think i have 1 definitive link that shows you everything?

[@DemiLochlan]

@@Cowpitulate Translation: Im speaking out of my ass and have no sources other than the edgiest parts of the internet. No kne asked for hundreds. Link one. One that doesnt come from some idiot blog. Like a certified scientific journal which would have no reason to have bias and would report the facts regardless of who it makes look bad. So? Any sources? Even one slightly credible source would be accepted.

[@user-McGiver]

@@Cowpitulate No they're NOT...!

[@kettei7743]

They got the drip

[@oiltoast3723]

Please respond I want to see if I'm shadow bannnned

[@kettei7743]

@@oiltoast3723 lmao

[@jamesmitchell6925]

I love this channel. Keep it up you crazy whippersnappers.

[@orioneverett128]

If I had enough money to just BUY fossils, I'd buy as many as I could and open my own museum. Make that status purchase mean something to more people than myself...

[@scottwells8064]

Science! I say, Science again!

[@elliegriffiths8590]

I'm jealous of whoever owned that handaxe, it's stunning!

[@thelittleal1212]

It’s fortunate enough that the millionaire who bought apex seems more generous to science than most. But I still have my concerns for the future Also, great to see further investment on the Middle East, For 2 years I’ve been planning to do a video on the Middle East, and it’s great this highly fragmentary place is getting more finds.

[@cameronwilsey9334]

Though the wording that it _may_ be loaned out specifically makes me worry that the hedge fund guy is gonna treat it like another investment and demand rent for it. Sure that's better than being hidden away, but could set further precedent of fossils generating wealth

[@thelittleal1212]

@@cameronwilsey9334 that definitely is my biggest concert

[@thelittleal1212]

@@cameronwilsey9334that’s definitely my biggest concern

[@yesid17]

that glyptodont find is WILD-we've come so far from late peopling hypotheses, but the latest finds like this one and at White Sands in New Mexico are blowing the lid off of even the clovis first theory. Can't wait to see what turns up in future archaeological studies, and I'm super interested to see how genetics and linguistics contribute to the question of the peopling of the americas. thank you again for another great video!

[@DingbatToast]

I am reminded of some classic science songs: The sound of science Science is golden A little less conversation, a little more science Whole lotta science Rudolph the red nosed scientist And many many more...

[@patreekotime4578]

I always like Wierd Silence, but that one isn't about science.

[@JJProductions415]

Whoever made that metriorhynid artwork is really good. I mean it’s like really nice.

[@CraterusNeoptolemus]

Love the Top Gear style intro haha

[@ggnmsn]

This was an amazing 7 days of science!

[@Decanta]

babe wake up! new science just dropped!

[@Very_Angry_Citizen]

Cardboard Doug is BEST Doug.

[@Bigazoa11]

The neanderthals had a sense of the drip.

[@AryadiSubagio]

neanderthals making art is not something I was expecting to hear, that's great news!

[@Blockhaj]

science

[@nesskeaton]

Orcas just having a spot of fun. Cuties.

[@williamb9422]

BREAKING NEWS!: Cetacean teens caught vandalizing private property!

[@aryatejc8067]

The intro. I feel like There's some lore with every 7DOS intro honestly. Ps. Major planet of the apes trilogy vibes with that chimpanzee paper ngl...

[@tomholroyd7519]

That's the definition of Curiosity

[@scottlyons8130]

I love the opening

[@bricksloth6920]

Thought it was time for another episode from Doug. Woot

[@itsapittie]

The more we learn, the more obvious it becomes that Neanderthals were humans with the full range of human behaviors and emotions. I tend to agree with those researchers who say a Neanderthal might look "funny" to modern humans but otherwise wouldn't be strikingly different from us.

[@erikhesjedal3569]

About the orcas: Maybe some rudders make a reverberating sound at specific speeds, like cavitating propellers make loud noise underwater. Last week while taking a dip I could hear a loud clicking sound while under, it was the car ferry coming into harbour, still at least a few kms away

[@demonicsapphire3773]

Those orcas know what they are doing

[@E-K-6]

Thank you ❤

[@moodyrick8503]

*Humanities Universal Language : **_Facial Expressions_** ;* I've always believed, that facial expressions, are humanities "universal language". All humans, use the same facial expressions, to express the same emotions.

[@tomasmondragon883]

Killer Orca Shipwreck Gang *whale clicking noises* We love trashing yachts

[@danieljohnson2349]

7DOS 👍

[@lemur88]

7DOS 👍

[@grokeffer6226]

Fascinating. 🖖🤨

[@tonydagostino6158]

Lots of sciencing going on by lots of sciencers. How sciencey!

[@michaeldrabble2558]

Curiosity crushed the Rock..

[@matthewfurlani8647]

either the best or worse intro ever. we. will need scientists do study it

[@Moulton_Lava]

Of course would be an orca

[@carolynallisee2463]

So Neanderthals had a sense of aesthetics, did they? I recall that not too long ago, it was this very thing that was hailed as a major difference between our species, as Neanderthals were supposedly lacking it. Mind you, at the same time, everyone was poo-pooing the idea that our two species had cross-bred. I guess we shouldn't set any other supposed difference between Homo sapiens and Homo neandethalis in stone. I know there have been claims, long gone quiet, that Neanderthals weren't capable of speech as we are. I wonder what other 'differences' have been expounded to separate our species from theirs and elevate us above them, which will turn out to be utter bunkum!

[@cadencenavigator958]

Yo, inscriptions?? That's so f*cking cool, could that be a writing system or is it probably just artistic?

[@yanina.korolko]

❤ I very much enjoy watching your videos ❤ regarding the paper about Neanderthals’ “different aesthetics” - could not have been much different at all, as we carry Neanderthal DNA in us, and we intermixed several times to become who we are today today. Nowadays they are still tribes on our planet with what these researchers would call “different aesthetics” to you and me.

[@jamesleatherwood5125]

Are you sure, Doug, that there, scientifically, will be scientists doing science?

[@Usurper123]

I was blinded by this episode.

[@graywalkerjoin3rdparty74]

Aesthetics unique to H. Sapiens? My guess is someone's never heard of Bower Birds.

[@codybachschmid6665]

Neanderthals were just humans. Many anthropologists classify them as a subspecies. If they were around today, they would be classified as the same species as us. There is nearly as much variance between some different extant human ethnicities, than they would have had between us.

[@tcuisix]

It's anthropocentric to say human communication is fast-paced.

[@donnysandley4649]

I love dragons 😍

[@AnthemUnanthemed]

science!

[@katyungodly]

I'd argue that with inflation the stegosaurus was sold for about the same price as the T rex from 2020 haha

[@scottlyons8130]

Oh, have a question... What did galaxy's look like in the early stages of the universe before super massive black hole existed???

[@AndrewTBP]

That’s what the astronomers using the JWST are trying to find out. Stay tuned for results.

[@Eckister]

6:03 knowing the lethality of when orcas "play" - that's a cold comfort. 🥶

[@gojoufanatic9546]

They had that shit on

[@brianwilcox2543]

I propose a solution to the Orcas vs boats problem: depth charges to scare them off. Nothing loud enough to cause any actual harm, just a loud noise to make them get off of our lawn!

[@Barnalicus]

woah science

[@SingleTrack66]

Chimpanzees have 21 different words for banana.

[@kephrekhtheunbroken7510]

Love it when those scientists consider doing science. Even better if they actually do some science, always makes the world that much more interesting!

[@takenname8053]

So we are still keeping fossils that look nice...

[@MarxyMarxAndTheFunkyBunch]

Wow, wait; there's science in this episode?!

[@theastrogoth8624]

Neanderthals might’ve been smarter than us.

[@paleolithicmanofthecave]

BRO THIS IS SUCH A W

[@hefoxed]

Aren't a lot of birds they way they are because of Aesthetics?

[@fariesz6786]

"a tiny fossil shell .. that was inhabited by Neanderthals" fascinating 😌

[@niklasmolen4753]

That only humans would have a sense of aesthetics sounds like classical thinking that we are the crown of creation. But according to Professor Staffan Ulfstrand, he saw how male elephants in Ngorongoro put acacia twigs on their necks. Which is hard to interpret as anything other than fashion. In other words, aesthetics.

[@Linkous12]

Fossils that have scientific value should never be allowed to be sold. But capitalism, you know.

[@tigdogsbody]

Doug.

[@Kulykill]

He got that shit on tho

[@PAPSN]

Chimps do use their finger to point which is amazing because so do we. They also use the universal hand signal for come here. Something we can both understand.

[@oberonpanopticon]

How are we sure that they didn’t learn it from us?

[@PAPSN]

@@oberonpanopticon I mean that’s a possibility. It’s just amazing.

[@neldahargo5933]

has the high price of fossils increased the rate of theft?

[@brownnative-.-7599]

God I wish I could buy fossils 😢

[@AXKfUN9m]

If you buy diatomaceous earth you're essentially buying millions of microscopic fossils.

[@_robustus_]

I thought that when 2 galaxies collide a champagne supernova would form.

[@gerrysexton1503]

❤❤❤

[@brianwilcox2543]

Did Neanderthals count paleolithic sheep?

[@gregwilliams853]

Like happened to Stan the T.rex

[@Seoras111]

Big thumbs up for calling orcas orcas! I am getting fed up with people, especially press, calling these magnificent animals "killer whales", which gives them a bad name they totally do not deserve. We are also not routinely calling lions "killer cats" and eagles "killer birds" and wolves "killer dogs". So again, well done!

[@oiltoast3723]

Im not going leave you alone.

[@texanfilms]

If anyone is interested in my dissertation which discusses the science of Neanderthals from a humanities perspective: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYSUeqlubbCBrdEsi=V0M9CypF_kRCn7FB

[@yanina.korolko]

❤️❤️❤️4:00 crystallized sofa rocks?? pure sofa? what? 😢😮

[@b.a.erlebacher1139]

Sulfur.

[@yanina.korolko]

@b.a.erlebacher1139 😃 also could have been salt, or sofa… I listened to the pronunciation at least 10 times, I am from USA… 🖖 Just saying

[@b.a.erlebacher1139]

@@yanina.korolko Some British accents drop the r sound at the end of the word.

[@yanina.korolko]

@@b.a.erlebacher1139 or the L in the middle… I’m not blaming the accents🤭 … I think on the contrary they are adorable. But for the rest of the world , it would be nice if we also understood every word of science🙏

[@b.a.erlebacher1139]

@@yanina.korolko Well, if they spoke with a US accent other English speakers might have trouble understanding them. There are about a billion and a half people who speak English as a first or second language, so there's a lot of variation in pronunciation, without any of them being wrong. Besides, you can read the subtitles. English spelling is a mess, but like Chinese script, it's the same for people who speak any variant! Well, almost. 😁

[@AdamosDad]

They were us.

[@FrancisFjordCupola]

The final parsec problem is nothing to do with dark matter; it's because two black holes wipe their neighborhood clean off matter leaving them with nothing to loose their energy to and thus not being able to close up and merge. Now if you don't have just regular matter, dark matter can influence the problem and help solve it.