Neanderthals: The First Sailors?

[@StefanMilo]

Check out the rest of Operation Odysseus here: kzbin.info/aero/PLDb22nlVXGgd2rdNu1C44t-hoYXA9bL2M Big thanks to everyone involved, especially The Armchair Historian and OSP as they've been the driving force behind all this!

[@harleyjudy2850]

hey I am no geologist but flores was connected In a large landmass and all the islands in the east indies that is how they got there

[@antonioj123]

To my recollection, we have never had anyone swept up in a storm from one land to another land unless they were in a boat. And even people who swam the channel have to know how to swim and learn how to swim for endurance. But say one person made it, you still need the opposite sex to make another Homo Erectus. So the possibility of several were swept up by a storm to another land and that there were at least a couple of females is kind of far fetched... they most likely got to the Flores Island by boat. It's more possible that they learned how to fish, then made rafts to venture out not far from the shore to catch fish and then soon after that created better boats to get around better and safer just for purpose of catching fish. In that case, I can see how some may have ventured too far into the ocean. You may have had 10s of 1000s of years of Homo Erectus using boats to fish and some got lost and ended on Flores while many more over the years perished sailing into the ocean.

[@harleyjudy2850]

@@antonioj123hey you do realise that there was no water between the land masses back then just go watch TreytheExplainers video homo florenses could have walked when migrating

[@antonioj123]

@@harleyjudy2850 Walking across a land bridge is one theory that we hear but with the discovery of tools for butchering large animals dating back 600,000 to 700,000 years in the Philipines, it's pretty clear that waterways were not a barrier for Homo Erectus.

[@voornaam3191]

Two things you might like. Pesse Canoe has been tested.The archeologists built a replica and found a canoe sprinter to try it. Conclusion: it's a very small boat, and waves are a problem, but you can use it on calm water. Sorry I lost my proof. It really happened, but I'm afraid the only way to check it, is going to Assen and search libraries and archives. Perhaps there's more online now. The other thing is about Neanderthal man. Again I got no link here, but this one you can check on KZbin. There is a KZbin movie about different kinds of humans, telling that there is a mistake about Neanderthal people. If you think they were not smart, you're wrong. And why? This man shows the skull of a Neanderthal man, and a human. And he tells, research proofs that the Neanderthal brain is actually bigger than the modern human brain. Then you can make a joke, yes, if you're stupid, you need a bigger brain. What I think is, wait a minute, do they smell better (bigger nose I mean, not Neanderthal No. 9) and need more brain for smell, or another sense? That's just my ideas, meanwhile those guys might have died for other reasons. The funny thing is, Neanderthal DNA is found in lots of humans. Said the archeologist, or how are these guys called. Paleontologist? However, you said Neanderthal people were quite smart, that was proofed correct, and that one you can check on KZbin. The oldfashioned idea of losers is not right.

[@bruceparr1678]

Back in WW2 an Australian commando "who was the last survivor of a raid on a Japanese base somewhere north of New Guinea" escaped by making a multi day journey, paddling a stolen gangplank, across the ocean. I am sure our forebears could have made similar journeys.

[@Mary-nt5fv]

I was going to say, the first 'boat' was an unworked log, which was good enough to reach Crete, Flores, etc. And within reach of any hominid not deathly afraid of water. The rest is incremental improvements on the floating log.

[@capnam_12]

This seems, to me at least, one of the most realistic theories.

[@juwebles4352]

especially when you consider that some native american tribes traveled west across the pacific to Hokkaido (northernmost island of japan) where they inter-bred with the native ainu people, naval trips are not necessarily impacted by a lack of naval technology

[@BrazilianImperialist]

@@Mary-nt5fv They could have swimmed too

[@BrazilianImperialist]

@@juwebles4352 No they didn't

[@akiranara9392]

In Japan, Izu Sojin (indigenous ancestor before Jomon people) 's sailing activity for collecting obsidians from Kouzujima island (far more than 25km) was confirmed time period since 38,000 BP. Kouzujima obsidians, very good quality, are found in mainland sites and analyzed scientifically to decide the place for those samples. Specific those obsidians had been exchanged vastly at that era.

[@EpimetheusHistory]

Awesome video-those first voyages were surely some epic adventures.

[@StefanMilo]

Oh yeah, for sure! Must have been extremely dangerous crossing the sea in those little boats.

[@thedeathwobblechannel6539]

they were like "here hold my flint axe"

[@Chrmngblly]

@@thedeathwobblechannel6539 They used fire for their heavy boat building work---just like the American Indians. I am sure the average Neanderthal learned to sail to get to the fish, initially, and then became a solid coastal sailor. Discovery is a human trait, isn't it?

[@HistoryTime]

Absolutely smashed it with this one. Great stuff

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks man! I had to just to keep up with you guys!

[@rykozmin]

Great recognises great

[@MediaFaust]

I'm Norwegian. For various reasons, Norwegians have some history with boats. Invariably, there will be discussion. Whence? When? How? We should start by considering the distinction between "discovery" and "invention". If people are living near some body of water, it's almost inevitable that they will discover floating devices. Then the clever ones go to work. Anyone who's ever been out on a boat have noticed the push and pull of the wind. Which is why sailing is a thing you discover but rigging a thing you invent. So the question is really one about how long humans -- and other hominids -- have had the ability to discover things that work, then go on to improve them through a process of invention. In my opinion, if you understand enough to make a hunting spear, you understand enough to rig a sail. Hypothetically speaking. Evidence is of course a whole other issue.

[@dinarusso3320]

MediaFaust Vikings, in my opinion, made the best quality ships!!

[@beautifuldreamer3991]

Neanderthals were very smart. They don't die out.they evolved to present day.

[@beautifuldreamer3991]

Neanderthals were very smart. They did not die out,they evolved into today's modern Europeans. Look at Neanderthals and look at today's European. You can't miss the resemblance. Red HAIR,blue eyes,freckles....all neanderthal. A superior immune system....however they also had depression. Yes,they could speak and standards of beauty were different back then.....they were,as today....considered beautiful.

[@thedeathwobblechannel6539]

if you can cut and smooth and straighten a spear, you have most of the skills to make a small boat or canoe.

[@joshpullman1690]

You are totally right. Kids all over the world who live near water play with a multitude of floating objects, I think it is the most natural thing to lash objects together into rafts, obviously we have no evidence of ropes, but rafts, dugouts, punts, these are basic watercraft seen again and again evolving independently around the world.

[@Fredrikschou]

Stone tools dating back 1 mio. years have been found on the island of Flores, which was an island throughout the entire ice age, so the ability to cross bodies of water was definately present back then. Remember to take into account that the sea level was much lower, which would make a crossing from present day Java (which was landlocked with south east Asia) to Bali, Lombok, Flores and Timor possible, without loosing sight of land ( at least for a disturbingly long time) GIven that islands such as Sulawesi and New Guinea has had very little archeology done compared to many other places in the world, it is entirely possible that a single new find can shake our understanding of this distant past entirely. Consider the denisovan link, which was entirely unknown a few years ago, and now it explaines much of the migration routes of the first australians and solomon islanders- perhaps they followed already established routes?

[@Hat-]

It's crazy how fast we could (probably) develop boats that early out of Africa.

[@francisdexaviermaurinus4695]

Rafts ar at least 5 times easer than boats. I have no doubts that raft were done 100,000 years. However for a man build a raft it requires some tradition building houses either on trees ot land on a similar material Skins, straw or wood.

[@ericsalles3393]

They could walk on the ice

[@mpetersen6]

@@ericsalles3393 Yup. That ice had to be meters thick within 9° of the Equator. Even during the glacial maximum there were still tropical zones with jungles

[@bellakaldera3305]

Could sea levels have been considerably lower when the ancestors of Floriensis arrived on Flores?

[@jdschneider5858]

I'm so glad I found your channel! This video was 5 years ago, so I've a lot of catching up to do. I've watched your more recent videos and I love them. I remember hearing about "Lucy" many years ago, but only bits and pieces of paleoarchaeology since. Fortunately, you do not sensationalize and I feel I can trust your assessments. Bravissimo!!

[@mrblack1246]

U can tell this man LOVES his job. U can tell by the relaxed posture he carries during the interview.

[@dankrhino]

Lil weed helps ;)

[@johngrill9951]

Overall the video is sound, and it's great to actually see the person behind the video. This is a great mini-documentary format, and your a funny guy. I can see this channel going far.

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks, I appreciate you saying that. I'll just keep trying to make better videos. I enjoy doing it, so whatever happens, happens.

[@torcoAaAa]

agreed

[@gafeleon9032]

This Operation Odysseus is going to help grow your channel a lot, great stuff

[@StefanMilo]

Yeah I'm really lucky they let me take part.

[@iammrbeat]

It's really underrated!

[@arthas640]

I'm still making my way through all the Operation Odysseus videos, but it has to be my all time favorite crossover event on KZbin.

[@TheArmchairHistorian]

Awesome job Stefan! Hilarious intro lol. By the way, where did you shoot this video at?

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks! Behind a crab fisherman's warehouse in Garibaldi, Oregon.

[@StefanMilo]

Ha, I get that all the time. I'm actually from Britain but somewhere along the road my accent got messed up. I've lived abroad for almost 5 years and my wife's American so that probably did it :/

[@joebowden4065]

Stefan Milo I knew you were British but you do have a strange accent

[@djstona5284]

@@StefanMilo its reet lad alot of americans think my accents scottish ( yorkshire)

[@colinp2238]

@@djstona5284 Just tell em tha's a Viking sithee.

[@Suibhne]

Great little intro! And great video!

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks man, I appreciate that!

[@MegaStrangeFace]

Oh man operation odysseus showing me so many new great channels

[@arthas640]

Operation Odysseus for me at least was like the start of the MCU and the first Avengers movie. I noticed channels advertising the joint operation, some of my favorite channels joining forces and teaming up with channels I'd never hearf of before, and climaxing with this amazing series.

[@ZohairRazaa]

Stefan is the kind of chilled out history geek I dream to be one day.

[@FunionKnight]

Honestly digging the conversation esc feeling this video is giving since you're just chilling explaining everything on camera. Definitely learned something fascinating today.

[@jacobrosewater8811]

How did I only just discover this channel? The quality is fantastic and the style unique

[@StefanMilo]

Cheers, that's very kind of you.

[@MarcoMeerman]

Thanks for making archeology accesible with some lightheartedness, humor and science.

[@jessicamoores181]

Very Nicely Done! History lessons Rock! Thank You for taking the time to teach us. Gods Speed in All You do❤️

[@lunarink2142]

What's with all this hidden potential I'm just now finding?!

[@StefanMilo]

Ha that's very kind of you!

[@thaddeuskyle572]

I love small channels. I've found so many that have so much potential but haven't been noticed yet.

[@marshmallowmonster7731]

This isn't even his final form :)

[@transporterIII]

The internet is blowing up the monopolies on information, congrats on your awakening! #specieswithamnesia

[@andrewsallans589]

I've been looking for a great channel for a long time now, I'm glad the algorithm has selected you as the chosen one. The Neanderthal series is the best!

[@zhitposterzupreme9120]

Imagine being the first guy who figured out wood floats lmao he must have been livid

[@piperar2014]

What also floats in water?

[@martabachynsky8545]

@@piperar2014 Very small rocks. 😀

[@operator2855]

@@piperar2014 Decomposing neanderthals

[@lesliefranklin1870]

@@piperar2014 Does a witch also float?

[@Psychosmurf5471]

@@piperar2014 A duck!

[@bosatsu76]

One of the very few sites that I Up thumb before I even watch it... Always well thought out and presented...

[@AndrewLale]

It's so... human being... that the two guys standing at either end of that canoe are paddling in opposite directions...

[@Sarcaman]

Stumbling across your channel has been the greatest thing to happen to my KZbin algorithm. A reasoned and informed discussion, that doesn't suggest at the first stumbling block that its actually all aliens.

[@jomolololo4398]

Your style is different comapred to the other hsitory channels , but it feels more inclusive , great work , already suscribed 👌

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks, I try to keep it pretty casual. I'm just a guy that owns a camera. Lots more videos to come!

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Inclusive? Of who?

[@jangamaster8677]

Found your channel from Operation Odysseus and subscribed. Loving the collaboration between y’all!!

[@derlinclaire1778]

When I was a kid years ago,one time I read of Australia being described as an"Island-Continent",because it,s both the largest idland,and the smallest continent all at once.

[@BrazilianImperialist]

It is bigger than Europe

[@lilout3447]

Australia isn’t a continent

[@shawnmcmullan5457]

@@lilout3447 Australia is a continent . It's a island continent cause it's totally sorounded by water.

[@lilout3447]

@@shawnmcmullan5457 australia is an island and it’s a country; it is part of oceania which is a continent

[@lumethecrow2632]

@@lilout3447 Exactly

[@_KingPin_-jm4st]

Imo your on of the best history you tubers. I find your videos more informative

[@rameyzamora1018]

Caution, Stefan!! Don't ever say "we will never know" 'cause my bet is that we will, no matter what we're talking about. Great videos, glad I found your channel.

[@BaconNCereal]

Ramey Zamora no some things are just lost to time

[@rondonalves2897]

@@BaconNCereal wait until the moment archeologist start to find things on the sea where it was terrains that connect what today there are islands.

[@abydos7775]

4:03 Chatham Islands east of mainland New Zealand. Hardly ever see them mentioned or shown on KZbin so that was pretty cool.

[@Kazanov1936]

Thanks to operation odisseus i discovered your channel, subscribed!.

[@StefanMilo]

Glad to have you on board!

[@gafeleon9032]

Me too

[@StefanMilo]

Cheers man!

[@kristofwynants]

I've actually seen it twice now. Facinating topics, one of my favorite chaannels. Keep it ehm..., up!

[@kyjo72682]

6:51 Sea levels were much lower during ice age. Down to -130 m during last glacial maximum. Many of those islands in Indonesia were actually part of a single continent (Sunda). And distances between remaining islands would have been much shorter, probably crossable on simple rafts.

[@beowulf1312]

Yes, exactly. Shallow seas that could be crossed by small boats drifting with currents and supplemented with paddling.

[@MrNTF-vi2qc]

Still an incredible invention.

[@konstantinorevic7754]

Pogledao sam mnogo tvojih snimaka i sve mi sumnjivo, sve imam osecaj da si nekako "blizak", i sad vidim prezime hahaha super snimke pravis, samo napred! :)

[@ThisisBarris]

Stefan, that intro was brilliant. And as an avid sailor, I am glad you talked about this, I'll go and flaunt to my sailing group with all that new knowledge now hehe Also I am so glad you are starting to get the recognition you deserve with this invitation. Keep it up!

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks man, you know despite Britain being an island, I think the French are more enthusiastic sailors.

[@ThisisBarris]

@@StefanMilo I think it's because stronger prevailing winds since a large part of our coastline is in the Atlantic. Also, here in the South, the fact that the water is warmer definitely helps! haha

[@otiebrown9999]

Stefan, A Suggestion to analyze: Review the Anadaman Islands, and the people who got their 55,000 years ago by boat. They did this, probably by Dugout Canoes, using an Obsidian Adz. This had been discovered and used 60,000 years ago. Making mats and rope, crucial for a Sailboat, must have been part of their, "fishing" expansion along the coast of Africa & Asia. There would be a 40 mile gap, or journey, across to Sulawesi. With land visible, from the boat. That would take a day to get there. That part of the sea - was partially protected. Sail, in good weather! If they made mats, with a following wind, they could have blown across to better fishing grounds.

[@JamesPoorethe1]

University of Sheffield! Represent. Great video, thank you.

[@gequitz]

Blast from the past! This is the fist video I saw from you Stefan, as part of Operation Odysseus. I subscribed then and have been loving your vids since. Maybe 3 years from now you'll have 1 million subs?

[@Paul-ou1rx]

According to the History Channel, those stone carvings of "boats" are clearly UFOs.

[@Tipi_Dan]

They were USOs.

[@piperar2014]

Unidentified floating objects

[@jonnyaxelsson9940]

According to the "History Channel"

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

I'm not saying it was aliens. But it was aliens.

[@jackvoss175]

The History Channel is a casualty of stupidity. Could have been a tremendous resource. But, in reality, the KIDS channel surpasses it. sigh

[@JustArtsCreations]

or maybe both indeed! honestly, this channel is very quickly becoming my favourite!! awesome work!

[@Hanes2307]

Me at the start of the video: Probably a bit before the bronze age collapse. Me at the middle of the video: 30,000 years! Whu-what?! Me at the end of the video: 1,000,000 years! HOLY crap how is that possible?! I can't believe this if a 10,000 year old boat was a tiny canoe! Then again, technology progressed much slower then but it goes faster as time goes (For example it took humans around 3.7 million years to control and make fires, 290,000 years later came agriculture, 6000 years later came literature and so on.)

[@kapitainnemoder5]

Canoes are used up until today....

[@arthas640]

that's why i laways find it odd why sci-fi shows will sometimes have ships or weapons that are decades or centuries old that still woork great against enemies with "modern" weapons. Tech movies faster and faster at a near exponential rate. a rifle from 1800 wasnt that much worse than a 1900 rifle but a 1900 rifle doesnt compete against a 2000's rifle. This is even more apparent with larger/more complicated tools like ships, where without regular upgrades a ship becomes outdated in a few decades. Also, there are some theories that humans wouldnt even need a super complicated boat, even just a raft might work. Some animals have been transported hundreds of miles on "rafts" of tangled trees after major storms and wind up being blown to islands. A few years ago after one of the regular hurricanes in the Caribbean some iguanas were blown to an island hundreds of miles away where there were no large reptiles, including iguanas. Basically storm hits > humans grab onto floating trees to avoid drowning > human floats to island and settles down. S it's at least possible, if unlikely, that humans could sail a fair distance with very primitive tools using a simple raft.

[@arthas640]

its crazy how fast technology is moving; my grandmother was born in a tiny wooden farmhouse, barely more than a cabin or shack, that didnt have electricity or indoor plumbing, and she died in a house with a wifi security system connected to our smartphones and she even got to have her carpet cleaned by a robot (Roomba). My dad was born when consumer electronics were jsut becoming common, witnessed the moon landing and the dotcom bubble, and smart appliances and before he dies he'll probably witness us landing on Mars and he'll probably get to see the rise of quantum computers.

[@SuperChimcham]

epic_Awesome Gameplays how do you know that?

[@francisdexaviermaurinus4695]

@@arthas640 if you have a cutting tool and you build huts or any cover with wood, grass or skin. You will notice that it floats. And it is called raft. Raft are at least 5 times (memories from my younger days) than canoes.

[@henrybadd5866]

Well delivered my friend. Your research seams solid. Great job!

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks!

[@shiron222]

That Sub count is cute, but if your presentation is anything to go by it's gonna grow.

[@StefanMilo]

Fingers crossed

[@arthas640]

I love your avatar pic, it's a great version of RD!

[@MrDroenix]

Wow! You good sir have dropped some naval knowledge today! I'm stunned that sailing goes that far back and now I want some fish and chips, haha -- Bravo with the video editting as well, subscribed! Gotta check out more of your stuff

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks man, I appreciate that. Yeah I've really been pushing hard to improve the videos I make. Lots of interesting stuff to come, especially if you're into prehistory / ancient history.

[@Xguy890]

in the Philippines Archaeologist have found a HUMAN REMAINS In The Palawan Caves They SAY It is 700,000 B.C....That is What Thee Saying It is....

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Not us(Homo Sapiens) the bones were of homo-erectus.

[@adrasthe314]

I can't thank enough the dude that had the idea of making this operation odysseus event bc honnestly I'm having an amazing time on your channel so far, you definetly gained a new subscriber today!

[@IsAcRafT]

A new subscriber has arrived.

[@StefanMilo]

Welcome!

[@freespiritable]

Your smile is so genuine, it's like an aura. You must be a ray of light to people who know you. 😍

[@matthew9256]

Hopefully this invite helps your channel grow some more. Bit of a sin how few views some of your other videos have. Also, one thing I was wondering is how important sailing was to some of these groups. Because some of the earliest designs for boats do seem fairly complex. So do you think sailing would have been common enough for these tribes that it was passed down through the generations? And is anything known about how they navigated? Or did they legitimately just float around like a bunch of turds in the swimming baths.

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks man! I'm sure it was important to them as fishing was a big source of food to a lot of stone age people. As for how they navigated we'll never know. There's no reason to think that they were any more stupid than us though and considering they spent every night of their lives under the stars with no light pollution they'd have been really familiar with the position of the stars.

[@fuzzyboon9069]

I love these types of videos! Educational, well researched, and engaging

[@georgehunter2813]

You have a very credible masculine voice. It's pleasing to hear and easy to listen to unlike those robo-narrations some authors use.

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

George Hunter I don’t like when you include errors. It’s not as much funny as amateur

[@Hat-]

Twilight Gardens presentations There is no errors in this post. At least none that I can see.

[@bradjohnson4787]

I really enjoy your channel thoughtful, well researched, and well presented!

[@lisavasilatos9867]

how many would have to be caught up in a storm to have a viable population that apparently lived there a long time

[@crashmoar290]

Wow. Great subject! I was recommended this in my feed. I am subscribed to Armchair Historian but none of the other channels in this collaboration. This is great finding all these channels at once. Also Madjedbebe.

[@Iarlen]

Isn't it highly possible that Erectus got to florensis but not australia because water levels were different during preceding ice ages and such things, so that they were actually connected by land but australia was simply not?

[@Astyanaz]

I haven't seen the maps but it seems there could be a chance. Also, if closer, it would have been easier to accidentally float there on vegetation.

[@oldcremona]

Stefan's charming demeanor makes his videos a pleasure to watch and listen to.

[@Schmidty1]

Omg I died laughing for 5 min with the Steven Crowder reference!

[@StefanMilo]

He's the go to meme for unfounded opinions!

[@Schmidty1]

@@StefanMilo true, he is one of the biggest idiots there is!

[@Chardo56]

I just attended a lecture by an archaeology Professor from Brown University who reinforced everything you said in this post. Congratulations on clearly including the latest discoveries and theories.

[@iammrbeat]

Holy crap. Great video. But.....you call Australia AN ISLAND?!?

[@StefanMilo]

Well I mean it's rock, surrounded by water, need a boat to get there, fits my criteria of island. I'll grant you its bigger than average though lol. (Before anyone flips out I'm aware Australia is a continent, THE PRESSURE GOT TO ME GUYS!)

[@dinosaurusrex1482]

Australia: the largest prison island in the world.

[@CogitoEdu]

Australia is king of the islands.

[@iammrbeat]

@@StefanMilo A lot of people agree that's it is an island, actually. I get angry comments on my videos. lol

[@kyjo72682]

@Brett Spencer Eurasia's bigger. ;)

[@andrewzanas9387]

Glad to see you getting this well deserved recognition from mainstream educational sources, Milo. You're one of the real guys. Have you hooked up with a University yet to pursue your doctorate? I'm sure there are many who would love to have you.

[@Actiaeon]

Great video, I just been binging your other videos I definitely am subscribing. Keep it up I’m glad they included you in the group as otherwise I would not have found out about you.

[@sweetkano]

Reppin the Sheffield Uni Shirt Love it =]

[@StefanMilo]

Yeah loved my time at Sheffield! I'm actually giving one of my professors a shout out in the next video.

[@Andy_Babb]

Lmfao oh my goodness I just busted out laughing at that intro!! Good stuff man that was great 😂 Awesome video!

[@Packless1]

2:30 ...there are bigger model-ships...! 4:00 ...how long did they sail...? i.m.o. as mentioned for VERY long...! Some ancient primeval hominide might once clinched to some floating tree to escape predators might have started it...!

[@bisiogungbemile722]

You are a good history writer.

[@kaisersingh5827]

Epimetheus sent me here

[@StefanMilo]

Thanks for coming, I love Epimetheus' videos!

[@KakMugi]

Is amazing to think that my ancestors came here using a boat probably around 50,000 years ago.

[@ChipmunkRapidsMadMan1869]

We've been sailing longer than we've been writing. Translation: We've been playing hooky from school to play in the water loooooong before Tom Sawyer.

[@NathanDudani]

Lmao

[@johntomasini3916]

Never miss your video's Stefan, my main interest is Australia, keep it coming.

[@marcatteberry1361]

Skiddley Doo and Fish and Chips? I'm in.

[@clintfrederici3928]

Thank you Stefan for all your work you do, it's a pleasant break from all the crap on youtube

[@Keranu]

The more interesting question is how long can Stefan go without smiling?

[@Odonanmarg]

Always enjoy your podcasts.

[@PalmettoNDN]

I have zero respect for Heroes and Generals. They put out a series of videos about Native Americans with wild inaccuracies and I messaged them about it. They read it and ignored it.

[@peachykeen7749]

I like your style of presenting. Good job👍👍

[@someotherwag]

There were elephants on Flores Island. They're believed to have swam there. My theory: Homo erectus got to the island by riding on the backs of swimming elephants. :)

[@johntomasini3916]

Another great video Stefan. Indigenous Australians made canoes from large rectangular sheets of bark, I remember my Uncles bending a sheet of corrugated iron, rolling the ends up like a piece of cardboard to make vertical ends like a canoe, it worked.

[@vakusdrake3224]

The idea homo floresiensis was just swept away in a tropical storm doesn't make any sense: Hurricanes don't exactly just transport large numbers of people from inland to islands. Plus florensis couldn't form a self sustaining population on a new island without way more people than could plausibly get swept onto the island from a storm.

[@StefanMilo]

That's definitely possible, they wouldn't have had to travel very far over water and they were smart enough to know wood floats, Im sure. Who knows!

[@LuisAldamiz]

I'm with you Vakus. Also they were people very much able of making tools and controlling fire, their "hairiness" is just a wild guess and pretty much irrelevant, why not build a raft out of logs, as we the oh-so-brilliant Homo sapiens still does in many remote places or has been doing until recently.

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@StefanMilo - The reason why they didn't go to Australia is probably because it's quite a bit more distant. In the Lesser Sunda chain, where Flores is, distances between islands are short, and the Greater Sunda was a peninsula in the Ice Ages, Instead "jumping" to Australia or New Guinea requires a bit more daring seafaring, because it was some 80 km away from any island. That's a big "jump".

[@vakusdrake3224]

@@Jossandoval I should note that rodents are more resilient than humans and can more easily cling atop of typical debri, making them more likely to get swept long distances over the ocean and survive. Additionally rodents can start a whole new population from a single pregnant rat or one rat of either gender, whereas hominids would need massively more individuals to form a viable population. Also rodents are just much more likely to get swept out to sea than hominids in the first place for many reasons (like size and intelligence). So while rats can get involuntarily swept to another landmass and form a colony pretty easily such a thing would be almost inconceivable for any hominids which didn't utilize boats.

[@Jossandoval]

​@@vakusdrake3224 I agree. I do like the boat hypothesis more since even in the case of storms is far more believable that ancient humans survived with something that could float that with their swimming skills. But the evidence is scarce, so I was playing devil's advocate. And, to continue in that role, I will note as well that even if I don't know the distance of Flores Island and Terra Firma at the time of H. floresiensis arrival, it was probably several orders of magnitudes less than the distance between Africa and South America forty millions of years ago.

[@kurtjohnson4816]

Great stuff, as usual. Solid historical content delivered with humor and personality.

[@williamarmstrong7163]

im tilted that historia civilis kings and generals and aternate history hub aren't in this

[@aneesh2115]

Ahh is alt history This is real history

[@joebowden4065]

I find AHH to be pure speculation from his own biases. I quite like the videos I think his brother does on that knowledgehub channel

[@kirstenwhitworth8079]

Excellent video! Thanks. I found your channel via the Operation Odysseus playlist, and subscribed.

[@FrontierLegacy]

6:10 that statement is now out of date as we have a skull of an anatomically modern human in Greece that is dated to 210,000 years ago. www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3018103/rewriting-history-210000-year-old-skull-found-greece-identified.

[@impower3134]

There is yet so much to discover!

[@NickMattia44]

Now this is a topic I would have never thought about. Wow. Incredible video my friend :)

[@guibaterasoad]

I find almost offensive that kings and generals is not part of this. But, still, great work and great playlist.

[@StefanMilo]

He just didn't choose to, probably a scheduling conflict. Everyone in this collab loves his videos. He's really one of the best out there.

[@georgeevans5192]

This was great Stef. Thoroughly enjoyed it

[@craighagenbruch3800]

How intelligent do think Neanderthals actually were i have heard about them but not too knowledgeable on them also why didn't they survive like homo sapiens?

[@StefanMilo]

Well modern homo sapiens outside of Africa have as much as 5% neanderthal DNA so in a way they survived by having children with us. That being said they were much more clever than we used to think.

[@craighagenbruch3800]

@@StefanMilo ah ok but still how could homo sapiens survive and the Neanderthals could not, if they were smart then how come they simply didn't make it to what we call the modern man?.

[@StefanMilo]

They might not have been as smart. They were also more adapted to a colder climate so as the ice age ended, the large animals they preyed on became fewer and fewer. A minority integrated with homo sapiens. The others didn't. This took many thousands of years to happen though. Just slowly but surely humans pushed them into worse and worse areas until they probably found it hard to gather enough resources.

[@craighagenbruch3800]

@@StefanMilo ah ok so the ol case of survival of the fittest makes sense nature can be a real bitch

[@adamcochran1309]

Homo sapiens needed 3000 or so calories a day neanderthals needed 10,000.

[@greenjack1959l]

Thanks Stefan. Loving your work, please keep it coming, you make history entertaining, as it should be.

[@flamencoprof]

A good overview; seems to fit with what I have modestly concluded so far. Faint praise I know, but not damning.

[@jaystreet46]

It’s criminal that you don’t have much more subs! Your videos are funny, entertaining, and most importantly, informative.

[@christophergoncalvesmelo65]

They are not anything more then informative😂 not funny at all, but i can see that he think he is🥲

[@jaystreet46]

@@christophergoncalvesmelo65 comedy is subjective, innit?

[@paogevang8306]

NO DISLIKES, You deserve my sub

[@forgisation]

Great job mate ! You have a great flow, really enjoy your work !

[@ralfgroh5967]

Really love your presentation; keep it up. Thanks!

[@Ahumananda]

This Guy is awesome ... Keep making great content stefan !!!

[@kairon156]

This has been a constant question of mine since learning about sea trade and travel via early humans. A bit over 100K years ago for sailing closer to 65K for slightly better designed sailing and 10K-40K years ago for current visual proof of boats. Sounds like a solid timeline to me. Like imagine people 50K years ago trading flint decorations for bone tools or something. I need to find your farming video again to figure out when the first crops may have been traded.

[@smfranklin007]

Really enjoy your videos. Very informative without getting overly academic. Keep on keeping on! P.S. also enjoy the humour!

[@reds1325]

Great info, a nice video with a fun twist. Well done.

[@karencawthorn3173]

Nice Stephan. Very interesting. I'll b looking g 4 more..

[@NorthworthySagasStories]

Very cool video Stefan! This is a subject that I've often thought about and nice to see some content on how long humans have been sailing. Looking forward to checking out more content from #operationodysseus. Bragi

[@vlkafenryka]

Nice video mate, I'm glad that I just discovered you in this operationodysseus event, you've earnt another sub :)