Near-Death Aftereffects of Nonlocal Consciousness: Dr. Pim van Lommel

[@dar_jada]

It is amazing to me how many people believe in an invisible God but not in scientifically supported evidence of near death experiences. Once again, I will be posting on Facebook this incredible presentation by Pim Van Lommel hosted by IANDS. I do this as I believe these accounts may help mankind achieve a necessary paradigm shift -- one in which the pursuit of power and money (materialism) are not the means to finding meaning/happiness in life. Death is not the end and love is the answer.

[@IANDSvideos]

Thank you so much!

[@razony]

I agree!!! This is what religion is doing to NDE'S. They use "The Devil or Satan" to argue the validity of NDE'S and that is the obstacle. Millions of NDE'S and we are still in doubt of this verifiable evidence. Excuse me for saying, This is BIGGER than Jesus himself!

[@commentatron]

@@razony Oh no, first John Lennon and now you ;-)

[@nicholaswright3801]

I don’t blame the religious people given that their concepts are hammered into them at childhood with the fear of eternal fire if they disagree. I bet some are petrified to believe this in case they ‘go to hell’

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

It's even more ironic when you realize the death and resurrection of Jesus is the most famous NDE ever !

[@neardeathexperiences1714]

The common aftereffects of NDEs are simply astounding. I like how Dr. Pim van Lommel discusses the new insights people gain after an NDE.

[@donnahankins5226]

0jihb job hb I h

[@samjohnson9657]

I really love how IANDS offers a great mix of videos- NDE accounts, lessons and some nerdy cerebral research videos like this one! Thank you IANDS!!! Keep it up!! 👍

[@neardeathexperiences1714]

I completely agree! It's great that they are regularly posting videos again.

[@IANDSvideos]

More to come!

[@barbaralammi4088]

@@IANDSvideos the new vid's are wonderful, thank you!

[@BigHeartNoBS]

Iands, I had a NDE and am almost finished writing a book. How do I join in on these conferences? I'd love to be able to publicly speak about my experience and share.

[@BigHeartNoBS]

Iands, I had a NDE and am almost finished writing a book. How do I join in on these conferences? I'd love to be able to publicly speak about my experience and share.

[@rjsimpkins2911]

Pim hit it out of the park with this talk. It's real whether you believe it or not.

[@razony]

I believe it!

[@DAWN--x--]

I've always loved listening to Pim. He has a lovely accent. Fascinating guy💜

[@razony]

Me as well!

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

Maybe you should visit the Netherlands. It's a whole country filled with people speaking English with this accent .😉

[@DAWN--x--]

@@spiritualanarchist8162 I would love to. I love Pim for his personality and humour, not just his accent. 😊

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

@@DAWN--x-- I know, i'm just joking a bit. happen to have nostalgic feelings about this type of accent, Dr.Van Lommel has the almost 'archytypical ' accent of elderly Dutch academics . Their English grammar is perfect, but their Dutch accent is very clear, When i went to the university in Amsterdam for a year ( many years ago) almost all my Dutch professors sounded like this. :) .

[@lgude]

I have never had an NDE, but know people who have. I also experience a non-local awareness, non time bound layer in myself through the dreams, my own and those of others. This presentation was particularly helpful at bringing my understanding of brain function facilitating but not producing consciousness.

[@erezbendavid2105]

Thank you 🙏 d"r van lommel for the encouraging speech

[@cindydoggenmidasthebordert4886]

I Interviewed van Lommel in 2008 for the journal for geriatrics in 2008 i his home at his kitchen table. He is intelligent, kind caring

[@IANDSvideos]

Dear Cindy, Thank you for sharing your experience with Dr. Pim van Lommel. Much Love & Appreciation🌹🙏💖

[@semrabahcivan8627]

Thank you so much for your amazing work and understanding our difficulties after NDE , after transformation this side on the earth is strange for us.

[@IANDSvideos]

Dear Semrabah, Thank you for sharing your thoughts and your comment. We are so glad that this video was inspirational for you. Much Love & Appreciation🌹🙏💖

[@_PL_]

This is an excellent presentation, maybe even definitive, both because of the extensive research van Lommel brings to it, and because of how many important facets of the subject are addressed. Having said that, I want to address a handful of related points that I’ve rarely (if ever) seen covered in discussions on NDEs, but that are meaningful to me and based on my own insight and experience: 30:32 _"…for now I know that mind and body are separate, and that there is life after death. And about all people who experienced an NDE lose their fear of death."_ Not everyone who’s encountered death loses their fear of death. More to the point, some actually become *_more_* afraid of death, precisely because it’s not an absolute end. Two possible causes of this are, 1) the NDE was negative and terrifying (cf. the work of NDE researcher Nancy Evans Bush); or 2) the individual, for whatever reason, simply has a deeply rooted preference for non-being, regardless of whether the anticipated alternatives are heavenly or hellish. Of course, I recognize that very few people will be able to wrap their minds around the second point, even in the abstract. But trust me when I say that this orientation is a reality for some. 1:06:30 _"However, we should acknowledge that research of NDEs cannot give us the irrefutable scientific proof for the conclusion that the death of the body is not the end of our consciousness, because people with an NDE did not quite die."_ This is important to bear in mind, and is the main reason (though not the only one†) why I think that NDEs are far stronger evidence for consciousness not depending on the brain, than they are for consciousness surviving death (at least in personal form. More about that below). † Another consideration in support of not over-interpreting NDE data as evidence of consciousness after death: if you go the NDERF site and read as many of the thousands of user-submitted NDE accounts as you can handle, you will find that there are far more idiosyncratic elements than universal elements. Indeed, even in the research cited by van Lommel at 14:45 in this video, those classic, “universal” NDE features, such as positive emotions (56%), moving through a tunnel (31%), communication with “light” (23%), meeting with deceased relatives (32%), and life review (13%) occur in barely more than - and often far less than - half of NDE accounts. The point I’m making isn’t to diminish any of the accounts, but to be wary of confirmation bias in assuming that all or most NDE accounts share commonalities and universal features, which in turn reinforces the belief that you can know for sure exactly what’s in store when you die. A more neutral perusal of the literature shows that this simply isn’t the case. But again, said literature is much stronger as evidence that consciousness isn’t produced by the brain. That’s what I think should be the takeaway here. 1:07:48 _“There is no beginning, nor will there ever be an end to our consciousness. The NDE seems to be a personal rediscovery of wisdom and insight that is ages and ages old, and has been well known in many cultures and at all times, but nowadays seems to be forgotten."_ Actually, his comment about _"wisdom and insight that is ages old"_ pertains more to mystical realization (variously known as enlightenment, awakening, liberation, etc.) than to NDEs. The main difference between the two is that NDErs almost always retain some sense of individuality (even if very subtle), and continuity with their biographical identity, no matter how profound and overwhelming the experience overall; whereas mystical realization is largely or entirely impersonal, and even more crucially, *_completely transcends the subject-object mode of being_* (i.e., there isn’t a “spiritual being” that’s “becoming one” with a source that is still somehow other than itself. Rather, it’s discovered that there is _only ever source_ playing at being separate things and people that are all "other"). In short, while I have rock bottom (mystical) certainty that the source and substance of this (or any conceivable) reality is eternal and inextinguishable, that doesn’t necessarily mean that one’s biographical narrative is eternal and inextinguishable, nor that one’s present biographical narrative is but part of a vast metanarrative - à la reincarnation. Then again, it might be. The point here, as in the previous examples above, is to focus on what’s most essential and certain: that consciousness isn't produced by matter.

[@pkul9583]

As Seth says: enhanced controlled hallucination!?!?!

[@wagfinpis]

If guy A. has a 5 year relationship with Samantha, and guy B. later has a 5 year relationship with Samantha, they will not likely give identical reports about their relationship experience. Even if relationship A. was full of drama, while relationship B. was full of communication, and Samantha chose to end both relationship's, for identical reasons... The point is not establishing a unilateral tour guide brochure, as to what to expect the after life to be like. If you want your take away to be about finding consciousness to be prime to the material universe, that is your prerogative. The unilateral and more obvious intended takeaway I would think is of a spiritual and or mystical sentiment. Growth, experience, morality, compassion, following one's own conscience, etc... If we are hoping to gain some kind of perspective from these experiences, I assure you, you will find that perspective aimed at the life and experience you having here and now on earth. These experiences are not as likely to lend their selves to advancements in academic literature's as they are towards intrapersonal and interpersonal edification's. There has been a moral line drawn in many spiritual traditions in the past, that delineates between cultivation of spiritual knowledge and witchcraft (more akin to scientific manipulation). It is more important to understand your path, than to persue the means to an end. There are many things to outgrown on the path to our destiny. There is nothing wrong with enjoying childhood, or the philosophers love of knowledge, but it would be a foolish pity to gain the vista of the God's, only to trade it in for a child's toy.

[@_PL_]

@@wagfinpis _"The point is not establishing a unilateral tour guide brochure, as to what to expect the after life to be like."_ I never said it was, so it appears you misread at least that part of my post. Go back and read the post very carefully. _"If you want your take away to be about finding consciousness to be prime to the material universe, that is your prerogative."_ Here, too, it seems you’ve misinterpreted my point. Again, reread the post slowly and with care. There’s nothing in your response that contravenes what I wrote, and vice versa. Regarding your third paragraph, I honestly can’t tell what you’re trying to say, and how it might relate to any part of my post. I feel as if you might’ve taken offense at something I wrote, and that in turn skewed your interpretation of the whole thing.

[@wagfinpis]

@PL well ok. I've reread your post and mine. I don't know what to say. I misread all of it, clearly.

[@_PL_]

@@wagfinpis It’s possible that I reacted too quickly to your post, and failed to clarify my points. I think you were saying that the primary value of an NDE is what it does to transform the experiencer’s life, and that any considerations about its evidential value for science, or its accuracy in predicting the exact content of the afterlife, are of little or no importance. I get that, and agree that the primary value is its effect on the experiencer’s life. But the main point of my post, as I said near the top of it, was to address a handful of *_less commonly discussed considerations_* that I still think are worth pondering. And yet, given that many near-death experiencers have reported feeling marginalized by their physicians (and others), and given that many NDE researchers have talked about their struggles to get the literature to be taken seriously by the skeptical and reductionistic gatekeepers of mainstream science, it might be unwise to completely devalue or dismiss the alternative considerations I adduced in my post.

[@franckdiboues1201]

Wonderful talk, so thoughtful as usual with Dr. Van Lommel... Thank you IANDS and Dr. Van Lommel.

[@IANDSvideos]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@CMoore8539]

I Love This Channel! It’s So Enlightening And Transforming!!!♥️

[@IANDSvideos]

Thank you so much!

[@Dion_Mustard]

"Trying to find consciousness in the brain is like trying to find music in the radio"

[@pkul9583]

And trying to find video in the TV!

[@razony]

EUREKA my friend! You don't find it on the radio because it's on the Stereo. You don't go to church to find The Truth. You go to find Jesus. You got to know, we're to LOOK!

[@r3b3lvegan89]

Not quite, it’s not so much about looking, it’s about seeing. But basically

[@infpballetswimspa]

Phenomenal job for someone who hasn’t had one. Crucial question for knowing what consciousness authentically is: Why isn’t the NDE experiencer CONTROLLING their experience the way that the person seems to control their physical world experience? Analogous to having a dream and the dreamer is not in control, except that my experience was more sophisticated than the physical world or the most sophisticated dreams that I’ve had. Dreams can also appear more realistic that usual dreams.

[@infpballetswimspa]

My death & reincarnation experience showed me that trying to find consciousness in the body is literally: trying to find how a hologram becomes alive: God

[@kaziras342]

Listen to IANDvideos has helped me grow into a more empathic and tolerant human being. Thank you for what you do.

[@IANDSvideos]

Wow! It is humbling to know that what our videos are making a difference in your life. Thank you for taking time to let us know. Life, light and joy to you! 💗

[@nicholaswright3801]

Me too!! Makes the world seem far less negative and have started meditating again. 👍

[@pureone26]

It's funny as I went to a posh medical school. Then went and worked for himalayan masters. I am still waiting for my medical and science colleagues to catch up.

[@E-Kat]

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[@dailybookreading]

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[@E-Kat]

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[@dailybookreading]

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[@bjwmorgan]

100% truth, thanks so much for sharing this, Cheers

[@IANDSvideos]

Thanks for watching!! Cheers to you too!

[@JerryAlatalo]

One finds it disappointing and frustrating that the wisdom of ultimate reality revealed during Near Death Experiences hasn't already become firmly and fully established in the awareness of every human being on Earth. Such a universal positive understanding will undoubtedly come, however it is difficult to criticize men and women who are impatient to see a humanity which has successfully eliminated war along with mankind's major historical problems, or where everywhere on Earth people are practicing true Oneness. Peace.

[@razony]

Let's thank religion for that. Fear is a dangerous tool!

[@r3b3lvegan89]

Let’s thank European colonial imperialism and self destruction. Industrialism was the tool to do this. Even Jesus chased the monopolists out of the temple during Roman times.

[@janlaag]

On all the after effects described and specially about the positive ones (enhanced sensibility, connectedness, "extra" sensory and so) that is how everybody is naturally wired to develop in a context absent of trauma. "Getting there" through nde and general suffering is definitely the worst and least effective option available, not to mention the completely counterproductive negative side effects comprehensive of more trauma and consequent very problematic body disconnections which in time turns into renewed disconnection and so decrease of the positive results "acquired".

[@packinaglock]

Before my experience I was diagnosed with congestive heart failure with a ejection fraction of 30 and stayed at 30 for a year and a half or so. After the experience in the past year or so it has climbed to 55. Which is in the normal range.

[@arnevajsing7120]

The man, the myth, the legend.

[@slavaukraini9825]

I hope everybody gets to see this light of love one day, so maybe only some gets and nde doing life, but all gets it in the time of transfer its My hope

[@davidrooker1200]

wow yes

[@jimanderson2473]

This video makes my brain hurt, in a good way.

[@neardeathexperiences1714]

Me too!

[@discordlexia2429]

I always come up with questions. Why do so few people experience it, if this is just what happens to you when you die? Why does it manifest in physical locations? Why does it always seem to be a metaphor for the physical experiences of the dying body? Could it simply be a subconscious construct created to encapsulate the feeling the body went through? I won't know unless I have one and that bothers me. I know there are no words to describe the ineffable, but all I have is to beg others for words because I have had no transcendent experiences that I cannot easily explain as strongly altered brain chemistry.

[@kuroryudairyu4567]

Beautiful, let's just hope it's all true and not just a biochemical process, as Parnia and other seem to be thinking after the results of the AWARE2 study

[@pippagatz]

Not familiar with this study, could you point me to some links.. Thank you

[@fotofigures]

@@pippagatz I just Googled AWARE2 study results,....there are quite a few articles on the subject.

[@deusvult9837]

It’s a condition of the will. If Parnia’s ‘dead’ grandmother were to appear to him and tell him true but unknown facts he would still not believe, because he simply does not want to. You can take a donkey to water, but you can’t make it drink.

[@Stefan1971HH]

@@deusvult9837 Parnia seems to me quite open minded in lectures and discussions. He tried to gather objective proof for OBEs in his studies

[@razony]

THEY hope it's a biochemical process. Religion put the FEAR into them. Much evidence and data, NDE's are real!

[@sandrawilliams8782]

It almost makes me want to have one 😅

[@sitarainbow8837]

The only reason ppl have difficulty accepting NDEs is their own self-identification with/as the body or the body-mind - when we are ever sooo much more. The form is more like a costume or suit of clothes than who we are. We are awareness, consciousness, call that what you will, be it soul, spirit, Inner Being or whatever. Once we accept that we are not bound by this or any body into which we incarnate, things make so much more sense. Also, by self-identifying as the form, we limit ourselves to its inherent limitations - not at all wise. Again, we are so much more than just the form that comes & goes. As Source-in-form, we are both infinite & eternal; but we won't experience that until we allow it by getting rid of some old, inaccurate beliefs. It's kinda funny that we're in charge of it all, the only one blocking the self. :-D ~♥~

[@sitarainbow8837]

@john doe Great question. How deep down the rabbit hole would you like to venture? I just now completed a journal that contains the answer. I'm getting ready to post on Medium dot com, so I'll come back here with the link. Meanwhile, being skeptical is pretty wise in today's crazy times, so I respect that. I could say the answer is from my direct experience, but that's something that can't really be shared, so we must each find it our own way. ~♥~

[@razony]

Very accurate observation and true. Now Religion is taking the back seat and science and common sense is taking the lead. We are in the middle of this World Wide Transformation and it's exciting! Thanks Sita Rainbow.

[@sitarainbow8837]

@@razony Things will improve tremendously as we remember who - & what - we are. The natural result of that is taking our innate power back. After the rocky patches, not just good but great times up ahead for the awakening ones. All is well. ~♥~

[@r3b3lvegan89]

“Religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind” Albert Einstein

[@sitarainbow8837]

@@r3b3lvegan89 Good one! I would say "spirituality" in place of "religion," but the sense of it is the same. ~♥~

[@josecarloscabreralopez7282]

Why did it not occur in 82% of the non-Nde?

[@pkul9583]

Is consciousness is quantum mechanical?

[@Dion_Mustard]

I personally believe there is more to consciousness than brain, but I am baffled by two aspects of NDEs and Consciousness which need answering and resolving... 1) Why do only a small percentage of people have these experiences (surely such a profound experience should be remembered by every single person who has cardiac arrest?) And 2) Why does consciousness "disappear" when someone is put under Anaesthesia - because if consciousness is NOT produced by brain - then why would we lose consciousness by the administration of a substance into our blood stream?

[@lockergr]

Yes, I'd like to hear more discussion on both of these points!

[@lockergr]

With regard to anesthesia I suppose it just makes you forget as opposed to actually lose the consciousness. Perhaps if we were under hypnotic regression we would actually be able to recall what transpired. I'm very grateful that I've never remembered anything under anesthesia.

[@Dion_Mustard]

@@lockergr interesting point..so it makes us forget instead of "dissolving" our consciousness, so to speak. i once heard an anaesthetist saying consciousness is temporarily suspended during anaesthesia but if consciousness is not a physical thing, how can consciousness itself be suspended. it would make more sense to say pathways in the brain are suspended hence inhibiting consciousness from flowing through.?

[@Dion_Mustard]

@Goseth Jones some valid points you have made. but i disagree on your point about forgetting the NDE. often i have dreams and yet upon waking up the dream memory is gone. it's hard to explain to you what i mean. i KNOW i have dreamt yet sometimes I cannot remember the dream whatsoever. SO perhaps the NDE was occuring and yet the memory was erased thereafter. The other point is many of those whom do not have an experience may have been given drugs upon awakening therefore erasing the memories of the NDE ...OR perhaps they were in a sort of "oblivion limbo", and were due to have the experience but came round before it happened. Sounds so confusing, but there are degrees of explanation as why some people have no experience. I once remember reading about a woman's NDE and she said at first all she experienced was NOTHINGNESS but then a light appeared and hence the NDE began.

[@Dion_Mustard]

@Goseth Jones well obviously those whom have the experience will describe it as life changing and unforgettable BUT if the memory is wiped for some then they will not remember it regardless of how life changing the experience was. we cannot begin to understand human consciousness, or indeed consciousness during an NDE. so much is unexplainable, but I am quite intrigued by all those individuals whom have left their bodies and witnessed things beyond the four walls, and were able to verify it as accurate thereafter. there are countless anecdotal stories of this situation. i once read about the man who left his body in a hospital and was able to see something outside the window.i believe it was a shoe on the roof top, and this was later verified as correct when they went to investigate. etc. i also made the point that perhaps the people who have no memory were in a state of limbo whereby the NDE had not begun. there was the case of a woman who went into a coma and remembered nothing for weeks during her unconsciousness, but then mid way through her coma she found herself out of her body.

[@wagfinpis]

I think it is a little bit confusing how to best define an NDE. If someone is engaged in meditation, goes out of body, goes through a mystical experience, experiences audience with luminous profoundly compassionate, loving and enlightened beings, has a host of experiences out side of time and through eternities, experiences multiple incarnations, along with a whole host of ineffable complexities, including being offered to not come back to their body (physical death) is this to be categorized as an NDE? I feel like we need a broader term that NDE's can be categorized into. At the same time so much has gone into the establishing of the NDE premise already. I see great value in the establishing of the NDE premise. The NDE conversation and exploration is far more critical than carefully defining and categorizing experience's. One NDE'r was clinically dead, and reported being locally out of body, in the room looking down on his body, and then returning to his body. This peeks interest in considering whether or not there is consciousness independent of the body. Other people have more elaborate OBE's that are not associated with any medical issues or physical trauma, but can be interpreted in more varying ways. Some NDE'rs do not report being locally out of body, or going through a tunnel, but they are clinically dead, "while" having an experience that seems to be intrinsically and characteristically out of body. An OBE has the minimal potential to experience a disconnection with the physical body and the I experiencer. After this minimal experience there are many levels of potential experience. If we categorize these levels of potential experience, we can then make a reasonable inference as to roughly around what level an NDE was taking place around, even if one does not report having experienced a conventional transition to this level, like recalling leaving their body first, and or then traveling through a tunnel... Is it unfair or too assumptive to think these experiences are are all firstly out of body and then being experienced at some classifiable level? I had a particular OBE where I was simultaneously experiencing the outer and inner universe as one correlated whole. The experience graduated a number of times beyond the experience of a conscious living, conscious breathing, conscious physical universe. At some point the graduation's expanded way outside of time and space references. Instead of time being a medium that I was within, that could hold still, time had been reduced to that of an object that could be observed attached to one space or another, like furniture in a field, but mostly was not present... It is my summation that all NDE's are simply OBE's spurred by clinical death or other life threatening events/conditions. At the same time most all reported "OBE's" are relatively trivial, compared with all reported "NDE's". Typical NDE's are of particular interest due to surrounding conditions. A minority of OBE's graduate a level of qualitative interest, and then seem to adopt the catagory of NDE. In many, if not all, religious and spiritual philosophies it is encouraged to become "dead to the world", to let go of "your life", etc, etc, etc. During a typical NDE one's connection with this world, is made thin or cut in one way or another. During an OBE a spiritually transcendent attitude can graduate the experience to what is being categorized as an NDE in this video. The typical NDE is valuable to the limitations of scientific rationale. The quality of the ineffable verbiage of all these experiences is what drives the pro NDE premise. The practice and observation of all these qualities amoung us is priceless on every level.

[@Kayenne54]

IANDS calls the "non" NDE an STE (Spiritually Transformative Experience).

[@wagfinpis]

@@Kayenne54 I am familiar with their use of the term STE, but in this video it seems that at least some STE's are being categorized as NDE's. I have had a STE, but I do not hear of other STE's that I can relate to. There are however a lot of NDE's that share a lot of similarities with my STE. There are a lot of people calling their STE's NDE's too. I know what people mean, but it doesn't stretch the credibility of any of these narratives very far when half of the community isn't even speaking the same language. The developing nomenclature is getting increasingly foggy. I personally am not confused about what is being said but it does create a bed for confusion. whether you are achieving a particular State of mind through practice or have just had some kind of an accident or illness in either and all events I think what we are clearly talking about are out of body experiences. I don't think it matters whether or not you are out of your body looking at your body in a local fashion or if you suddenly find yourself in some other kind of space I think that is safe to assume that you are characteristically out of your body. Once you are out of body the quality of your assumed consciousness then seems to participate in an experience that could be had on any of several levels but I do believe they are on different levels that can be associated with the quality of consciousness assumed by the experiencer. Our experiences can be kept here honors or they can go beyond this Earth and be related to us in earthly context to a greater or lesser degree. Our out of body experiences can also go beyond this Earth and be expressed to us in a more spiritual or mystical based context or template. We are all here for similar and varying reasons working on different levels. Most STE's seem to take place on a lower level as do many NDE's. Even in this video the doctor seems to want a categorize higher level STE's as NDE's. If I apply my STE to the Greyson scale, my STE would get between a 29 to 31 or something out of 32 points. 8 and higher is NDE classification, average is 15, and they have some catagories to favor like cognitive (8/8), affective (8/8), paranormal (8 or 6/8) and transcendental (8 or 7/8). I have no reason to call my experience an NDE and STE's I think carry a stigma of generally scoring much lower on something like the Greyson scale. Our species has a habit of making convenience out of miscommunication's. preval

[@razony]

@@wagfinpis WOW! Very well articulated, I must say and true. First time I heard of STE's. Never had an NDE. STE's? A few. It's what I have seen and heard that helps me realize NDE's are as real as it gets. For Me, I KNOW NDE's are Real! Thanks wagfinpis.

[@wagfinpis]

@@razony ya I don't know what it is like for people without their own spiritual experience (s) to try to consider what 8s going on with these NDE reports. I enjoy being sceptical, because I value truth, at the same time I try to be open minded. Having my own experience to draw off of gives me more leeway to be extremely sceptical, because I am confident of the reality.

[@d.c.monday4153]

I have a Longines mechanical watch - not a quartz watch. This watch will work on my right hand but not on my left hand. I am left handed.

[@pippagatz]

Interesting.. Do you have more to give on this?

[@E-Kat]

Gosh, how amazing! I have a Longines watch too but I'm boring as it works perfectly on my both hands.

[@marjoriegoodwin2993]

Is your blood pressure different in your arms too ? I knew someone like that.....Also, my Mom had an OBE, and after that, all watches stopped working on her, even if they were brand new.

[@razony]

Never had an NDE. But to this day, I can't wear a working watch on my wrist without a barrier. (ie. Leather) of about 5 watches, only one works on my 70's leather band. Who knows, right?

[@marjoriegoodwin2993]

@@razony My Mom left her body when she was giving birth to her eldest child, and was revived. That was 12 years before I was born. I grew up knowing that my mother could not wear a watch. That woman could put a brand new watch on, and inside of a few minutes, the watch would stop, and need to go to the watchmakers shop. I forget about these little things till someone brings up this topic. My life, and family is just full of strange, so. I would call my Mom`s birthing experience an OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE, since she wasn`t clinically dead.

[@lockergr]

Also at least consider that this tunnel and light could in fact be a soul trap with forced reincarnation. Since everyone is always cajoled into coming back into their meat bag, it's one thing to consider. I think we are trapped here in this hellscape, but pray I am wrong.

[@Kayenne54]

Yeah. Did we sign up for a game whose rules are beyond our imagining? And maybe everyone doesn't get talked into coming back. At least, not right away. However, I get what you are hinting at. Maybe...just maybe...the Unbearable Lightness of Being is a way to achieve escape velocity. Follow that path that others have trodden, in their footsteps. It may sound simple, but it is not easy. Which is why so few actually never have to come back.

[@razony]

Soul trap? I think you may be influenced by the environment, Humanity. Soul traps? Cajoled? Meat bag?...yup, you may be wrong.

[@maxwellhouse727]

@@razony Look around you, this thing we are in is a parasitic reality Everything parasites off everything else in order to survive. It's been set up that way with misery and chaos being the order of the day for all living things on the planet 🌍

[@JohnSmith-ir1fo]

@@maxwellhouse727 it is what you do out of it though, a perfect world would not allow you to choose, because the perfect way to live would be chosen for you by design. So your argument is a straw argument and extremely short sighted.

[@hydrorix1]

The physical is only Perception In Consciousness.

[@IANDSvideos]

Thank you for sharing your perceptions!! Sending so much love - Loreli@IANDS

[@Kayenne54]

Guy is brought back, is quite angry, swings a loose punch at the offending EMT guy, and the other EMT says "WHY DO THEY ALWAYS DO THAT??!"...Me: "Why doesn't everyone ask them why? and really listen?"

[@pkul9583]

Is mind different that consciousness? Mind is collection of thought and imagination emotions? Consciousness is just observes mind?

[@razony]

I think yes. We have our awareness of being, but their is more and this is what we see when we are looking down at our selves when we are DEAD. How can a patient, tell the doctors and nurses what they we're doing when they we're being operated on? Something is happening and this just makes SENSE!

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

Let's be honest, an elderly Doctor in a suit and tie ,with a European accent somehow makes it far more believable then some old Californian hippie...(Not that there is anything wrong with old hippies...: ))

[@razony]

Honestly, I have to agree.

[@nayanmipun6784]

Sean Carol and Susan Blackmore are people who doesn't believe that wireless technologies Exists

[@weaverdreams]

Someone else cannot tell the story effectively. it’s better to hear these stories firsthand from the experiencer.

[@dailybookreading]

Article of Dr Pim van Lommel in Medical Journal Lancet pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11755611/

[@s.b.joelwatsonjr.9879]

Bless you

[@4june9140]

When someone starts a speach with "SO" I loose interest, bye