Near miss on runway at San Diego International Airport

Air traffic control cleared two Southwest Airlines planes on the same runway.

[@matthewalan458F]

My god it was hard listening to this reporter

[@hoserfella]

Agreed. He spoke like a robot. A childlike robot...

[@701Builder]

Like David Spade AI

[@1rembo69]

Welcome to the world AI

[@Windward535]

​@@701Builder who voiced the plane in the movie September 11 2000FUN, starring James woods

[@searchanddiscover]

Oof. At first I saw your comment and was like these news anchors sound fine and then I heard the voiceover. What an understatement.

[@Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver]

My five cents as an active 747 captain with many years of experience with air traffic controllers worldwide: Situations like this one in San Diego can and will happen again. We are human beings and even the best technology is just a backup. And it will be for a long, long time. Situational awareness is part of our daily life in our cockpits and on the control towers. Fact is: The San Diego air traffic controllers did a very good job in saving the day on this demanding, single runway airport. The pilots reacted in a calm and professional way, too. I would call it a non event. All of us were given a valuable lesson. I hope everyone involved in this incident are back in their jobs without additional training and without inquiry or inspection! It's part of our profession to serve the demanding public and press... Since none of these have a clue about the complexity of aviation, we should not listen to them, at all. To broadcast a "personal opinion" of an "instructor" highlights their (the media) goals. Fact is: The problem was solved excellently by all professionals involved. Would I fly on Southwest or would I fly my jumbojet to San Diego international airport at night in foggy conditions? Yes, of course!! Regards from Switzerland ✈. .

[@travisk4215]

👍🏻

[@sncy5303]

The problem, though, is that things like this are atarting to happen way too often in recent months / years. There's a reason why this is happening: prioritizing operational efficiency over safety. If we continue down this road and don't take a step back, something bad will happen eventually. We need retraining for some of the involved: namely, management!

[@TheSjuris]

@@sncy5303 lots of ATC quit /retired/left during Covid. Takes years to replace them. The ones that are still there are overworked.

[@tom4794]

I'm surprised your outlook / opinion of technology is so low. The error here, clearing one aircraft for takeoff while another cleared to cross, is an entirely human mistake. An oversight, a lapse of situational awareness. Human errors are inevitable - but a computer / automated system would never have made the same mistake. It would be as simple as entering all runway-related clearances into a computer and have that display any conflicts *before* passing the info to the pilots. Is that practical with the current workloads and workflows? It would require changes, sure. But my point is: it would be absolutely trivial for an automated system to prevent (or alert on) such conflicts (and much more).

[@gordonelwell7084]

@@tom4794 Yes and no. If everything worked as you describe, then fine. But this event happened (in all likelihood) as a result of too much workload (ie-more things happening in not enough time). If yet another automated system is instituted (such as "entering all runway-related clearances into a computer and have that display any conflicts before passing the info to the pilots" adds more required tasks/requirements into a system that already suffers from too much going on in too short a period of time. It would add more people into the loop (entering more stuff into a computer, since the controllers there now are already task saturated), and would likely just more grinding to the process. The folks there now should slow down when they feel rushed or feel like they are falling behind. It is the rushing to get greater throughput and more planes moving through the system that spawns these errors. It may seem counter intuitive, but when you feel rushed, SLOW DOWN. It is when we humans try to speed up to overcome perceived need to hurry up that accidents often will happen. Just IMHO . . .

[@HolySoliDeoGloria]

Typically inaccurate, misleading opening sentence, showing typical journalistic ignorance and lack of attention to precisely articulating the truth of a topic: "An aborted takeoff . . . is raising concerns about safety . . . " The aborted takeoff isn't raising concerns about safety; the near miss is. The aborted takeoff was the correct response in the situation and was executed correctly, a critical action among others which avoided disaster. The fact of the aborted takeoff isn't the issue or cause of concern; the circumstances that made the aborted takeoff required in order to avoid a disaster are the issue.

[@OutlawTwo]

To be fair, it wasn't a near miss.. at best it's a runway incursion. Is it an issue? yes. It's an issue likely stemming from the tower as a whole getting too comfortable. Complacency.

[@gordonelwell7084]

Well said.

[@Turbokommentiert-ix3jk]

First of all it's called "taxiway" not taxipath. Second it's not called a near miss. There was no "miss" and they didn't even got "near" to each other. Professionals call something like that a runway incursion. Most important question no one asked. Were they both on Tower frequency or was one crew talking to ground control and the other one talking to tower? If they were both on the same freq the incidence raises eybrows about controller training and the situational awareness of both crews involved. If they were on seperate freqs they also need to look at controller training and their local procedures. Just my 2 cents. You had your flightinstructor to comment. Why not ask him for the correct terminology. Journalism at its best.😂

[@OutlawTwo]

Sounded like one was with ground and the other with tower/local. If I want to give the benefit of the doubt, ground likely got the verbal clearance from local and local upon getting the call for takeoff clearance forgot they had given that clearance.. Many use a flight strip holder that simply says Foul Deck as a reminder for those two. Ultimately, my take is the tower as a whole likely got a little too comfortable and when someone else noticed, they both issued their abort takeoff and hold position since they were still on separate frequencies.

[@dannyvernon1098]

It absolutely is a "near miss".

[@Cinncinnatus]

@@dannyvernon1098 near miss what pleb? the plane never even took off, takeoff was rejected and the crossing plane stopped. Past the hold line but regardless, still stopped, It is why ATC said hold position regardless because the other plane taking off was not anymore and would be routed off the runway and put back in line once they cleared that up they would then would tell the crossing plane they are cleared to finish the crossing.

[@foghornleghorn8536]

@@Cinncinnatus You should probably read up on what constitutes a 'near miss' in aviation.

[@vanstry]

It's a near miss. No, they are not talking on the same freq. People preparing to take off talk to the tower, same as people landing. People driving around on the taxiways talk to ground control. It's a completely different frequency. So the people on approach and in the pattern don't get stepped on by people on the ground. A near miss is whenever there would have been a collision if corrective action was not taken, as well as if the aircraft come within certain limits of each other while flying. If corrective action had not been taken, those aircraft would have collided. And yes, there were TWO aircraft on the runway. The runway STARTS at the hold-short line. Once you cross it, you're on the runway. Pilots do monitor what's going on around them, but when you're on two different frequencies, you can't do that as you're already monitoring TWO different frequencies (ground and guard, or tower and guard). I'm a trained pilot, I know how this works. Did it for years. You obviously are not, nor do you understand how it works. It is a very different world, it is not at all like hoping in a car and driving down the road.

[@elsuprimo0674]

It would be preferable to have a reporter who actually knew something about the subject matter to report on incidents. This guy is clueless.

[@tommyd3257]

The expert was a tad dramatic in his bullshit conclusions 😂😂

[@Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver]

My five cents as an active 747 captain with many years of experience with air traffic controllers worldwide: Situations like this one in San Diego can and will happen again. We are human beings and even the best technology is just a backup. And it will be for a long, long time. Situational awareness is part of our daily life in our cockpits and on the control towers. Fact is: The San Diego air traffic controllers did a very good job in saving the day on this demanding, single runway airport. The pilots reacted in a calm and professional way, too. I would call it a non event. All of us were given a valuable lesson. I hope everyone involved in this incident are back in their jobs without additional training and without inquiry or inspection! It's part of our profession to serve the demanding public and press... Since none of these have a clue about the complexity of aviation, we should not listen to them, at all. To broadcast a "personal opinion" of an "instructor" highlights their (the media) goals. Fact is: The problem was solved excellently by all professionals involved. Would I fly on Southwest or would I fly my jumbojet to San Diego international airport at night in foggy conditions? Yes, of course!! Regards from Switzerland ✈.

[@Windward535]

It was so stupid. Mumbai airport is also single runway and handles twice the volume as SAN without major incidents

[@chrisschack9716]

He was spot-on about the plane being on the runway, the FAA just seems disingeneous. Right that it was a problem in the Tower, too. The rest, I'm not so sure...

[@jakerazmataz852]

The guy on the phone was a bit melodramatic.

[@oldRighty1]

The prediction about SD being the next major catastrophe, 100% BS. Go look at the super busy, older airports. Intersecting runways, also overburdened ATC and a constant stream of flights, tons of new pilots, it could be any airport or none of them.

[@texasgrillchef8581]

It’s not Southwest’s fault, the fault is with the ATC at the airport.

[@hood_TheJoker]

the controller picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue

[@sistagirllondon]

I remember that movie! 🤣🤣🤣 Airplane!!

[@russcrawford3310]

A video to smoke cigarettes by ...

[@kdhander]

Roger, Roger.

[@hood_TheJoker]

@@kdhander 🤣

[@agoogleuser2369]

It's going to be the scene of a major accident... Dramatic much?! 😂

[@jaknap1]

This is why people no longer trust media. This was a routine operation and I am sure that this happens all the time at airports all the time. The controllers did their job.

[@michaelsteiger8509]

It’s not a short runway by any means.. I flown 4 types of large planes L1011,727,757,767, into SAN and it has plenty of runway even with the displaced threshold .

[@Cinncinnatus]

then you know how overblown this was given the takeoff was rejected pretty much immediately regardless if the crossing plane was over the hold short line and why ATC said hold position regardless because there was plenty of space/time to abort and get routed off the runway letting the other plane eventually still cross.

[@oldRighty1]

9400 feet. Not the longest, but compared to DCA which is

[@stevenrobinson2381]

@@oldRighty1 yes-runway 9 is 9400 feet long-27 is 7400 feet-due to that wonderful ever so useful parking structure built in the 1980's @ Laurel & Kettner.

[@Pax217man]

San Diego is not a dangerous airport, difficult and limited from a pilots POV, but the runway isn’t that short, there are plenty of international flights from Europe and Japan that operate out of that airport. Runway crossing are rare at San Diego because of the single runway and most vacate towards the gate. Guy wanted his spotlight, SFO is far worse and more dangerous

[@chrisschack9716]

I was wondering why the SWA was crossing the runway in the first place ... both taxiways lead to the runway, might be sequencing?

[@FracturedNinja]

Imagine if the news reported every time a vehicle accident almost happened…

[@robertfaulkner7152]

The system worked well and that San Diego international airport may be a dangerous airport, but it's also the most safest airport but it's held a fantastic record for how long it's been in San Diego downtown. Too much fear-mongering going on. I've worked this at this airport for over 35 years. I would know.

[@Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver]

My five cents as an active 747 captain with many years of experience with air traffic controllers worldwide: Situations like this one in San Diego can and will happen again. We are human beings and even the best technology is just a backup. And it will be for a long, long time. Situational awareness is part of our daily life in our cockpits and on the control towers. Fact is: The San Diego air traffic controllers did a very good job in saving the day on this demanding, single runway airport. The pilots reacted in a calm and professional way, too. I would call it a non event. All of us were given a valuable lesson. I hope everyone involved in this incident are back in their jobs without additional training and without inquiry or inspection! It's part of our profession to serve the demanding public and press... Since none of these have a clue about the complexity of aviation, we should not listen to them, at all. To broadcast a "personal opinion" of an "instructor" highlights their (the media) goals. Fact is: The problem was solved excellently by all professionals involved. Would I fly on Southwest or would I fly my jumbojet to San Diego international airport at night in foggy conditions? Yes, of course!! Regards from Switzerland ✈. .

[@George-lp5qb]

System worked.

[@ENWWN]

"There's no parking in the RED zone"

[@nathanborino456]

“It’s going to be the scene of the next Major accident” ok bud

[@donadams8345]

There is always someone out there willing to overdramatize the potential when an incident occurs. I'm sure the FAA will work to minimize future problems at this airport.

[@gordonelwell7084]

Yeah, that was a totally unnecessary comment . . . complete Barbara Streisand . . .

[@rod-shaft]

0:32 Sick drift!

[@kendrapratt2098]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@RaceMentally]

lol this ain’t news. Us pilots know what’s up. These news stations have nothing good to talk about.

[@brianshaffer7578]

As a fellow pilot, it's great to see someone spreading awareness about this. These so-called "aviation experts" are just spreading lies to make people scared of flying.

[@Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver]

You are absolutely right. My five cents as an active 747 captain with many years of experience with air traffic controllers worldwide: Situations like this one in San Diego can and will happen again. We are human beings and even the best technology is just a backup. And it will be for a long, long time. Situational awareness is part of our daily life in our cockpits and on the control towers. Fact is: The San Diego air traffic controllers did a very good job in saving the day on this demanding, single runway airport. The pilots reacted in a calm and professional way, too. I would call it a non event. All of us were given a valuable lesson. I hope everyone involved in this incident are back in their jobs without additional training and without inquiry or inspection! It's part of our profession to serve the demanding public and press... Since none of these have a clue about the complexity of aviation, we should not listen to them, at all. To broadcast a "personal opinion" of an "instructor" highlights their (the media) goals. Fact is: The problem was solved excellently by all professionals involved. Would I fly on Southwest or would I fly my jumbojet to San Diego international airport at night in foggy conditions? Yes, of course!! Regards from Switzerland ✈. .

[@tbone3972]

@@brianshaffer7578If people are scared of flying, take a train. If more scared, take a drive. If extremely scared, take a walk. When all else fail, stay home…. People make money while others spend them. Welcome to the world of journalism.

[@JeffyPDiddy]

It’s a bit suspicious when big business interests want to build a larger airport elsewhere in San Diego. They have been trying for over 5 years to make it happen. There is a laundry list of reasons San Diego wouldnt benefit in any significant ways from a new larger airport. The majority of the public doesn’t support it, but they will never stop trying though.

[@RaceMentally]

If we want to talk about safety look at GA vs the airlines. We basically have a fatal everyday from pilot error in that sector. The airlines are the safest way to travel right now.

[@amirsadeghi9888]

is it me or every time one of these near misses happen the voice of the air traffic controller is a female...? like the one in Boston or the other one in New York... glass ceiling much?

[@dippingmyfoot]

It wasn't a near miss, and the woman ATC is the one who caught the problem and prevented catastrophe.

[@Steven-cq7yq]

news always trying to make something small even major

[@iflytango]

Why did southwest have to cross the runway? The taxiway and terminal are on the same side

[@erauprcwa]

Because there's a taxiway on the other side of the runway and they wanted them to taxi on that side

[@benbrogan5513]

A "near miss" is a hit. This is just a miss.

[@turbo2ltr]

the word near could be taken as meaning "almost", or it could mean it was a miss, that was close by. i.e. the opposite of "missing it by a mile"

[@WWPlaysHoldem]

The comments by the flight instructor are wrong. The hold-short lines are an added distance from the runway that controllers and pilots use to provide an increased level of safety. There are controller rules that say they are not allowed to use the runway to land or takeoff when another aircraft has passed the hold-short line. Since the crossing aircraft had not entered the runway when told to stop and the departing aircraft was also told to stop his takeoff, this was “not” a near miss. When controllers make a mistake they can correct the mistake by having the crossing aircraft hold short of the runway and the aircraft on the runway stop the takeoff. If it had been a landing aircraft the controller would have had the landing aircraft go around. These are rare but not uncommon occurrences.

[@21AirDrop]

You are being obtuse. The flight instructor is accurate.

[@jimmiller5600]

If you cross the Hold Short line at any runway you're in violation of the runway operating space.

[@jerryw5508]

so at a traffic intersection when you cross the stop bar you are not actually in the intersection? Well you are technically. I would suspect it is the same way at an airport runway/taxiway.

[@kdhander]

Crossing the hold-short line is entering the runway area.

[@JamesZwingman]

George Carlin: Near miss is a collision! *Explosion* Look they nearly missed. Not quite!

[@Mark-pp7jy]

"What exactly is Pre-boarding? You get on before you get on"? - George Carlin

[@L.Spencer]

This is also happening at other airports around the country. Usually it seems to be a discrepancy between ground and the tower. I'm not even close to an expert, but I love watching the Reat ATC and VASaviation channels. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q16rmWWgYp2Arrs

[@Freedom4Ever420]

Robert Katz is obviously a very very unintelligent individual, I would never ask them for flight instruction

[@glenclarkchidley3637]

Pretty obvious what/who the problem is!

[@barbiek3987]

Which ATC has priority when it comes to aircraft movement on the ground? One ATC instructed a flight to cross the runway while another ATC cleared a flight to take off. And I'm wondering if both of these planes were on different frequencies, or could they hear what was being told to other air craft? Runway incursions happen way too frequently. Way too frequently.

[@ThatCodeBlue]

The FAA still doesn’t seem to get that promoting aviation is second to promoting aviation safety.

[@thebigmon]

40 years as a flight instructor means he can't get a job at the airlines.

[@ernestgalvan9037]

Not EVERY pilot wants a job at the airlines.

[@kdhander]

@@ernestgalvan9037 that would be me. Not the route I chose.

[@robvikingoneaviation]

As an amateur aviation enthusiast, it is still useful to read about these incidents. Why were there two air traffic controllers manning the same single run way? Maybe it is to provide an extra pair of eyes to a stressful job. I was at Vancouver International Airport and saw a lot of planes taxiing across the runway in between takeoffs.

[@OutlawTwo]

So.. two controllers weren't manning the same position or runway. One is local/tower that deals with takeoff/landing and aircraft in the immediate airspace. The other is ground that coordinates taxiing before takeoff and after landing, along with any movement around the airport. What happened here is ground was likely given verbal clearance from tower for one aircraft to cross the runway at x position. From there ground issued the clearance. Another aircraft called up tower for takeoff.. tower likely slipped their mind they just gave clearance to cross. (the amount of time between these events is not clear based on the reporting, it makes it seem instantaneous but it likely isn't) Someone in the tower notices both have been given clearances and tells ground and tower to cancel clearances. At most this is a runway incursion. Not great but not some near disaster that is being described in the story.

[@onelittlelamb4030]

Hey I’ve got an idea. How about two people cannot clear the same runway. Just a thought.

[@jonnie2bad]

id love to see you try to manage ground and clearance at the same time. Not a chance, especially at this airport.

[@onelittlelamb4030]

@@jonnie2bad I could handle it.

[@Mr_Plop1]

Lmao, how cute of the FAA to say the second plane never "entered" the runway when anyone who's ever been in the cockpit knows if you get anywhere within 5 inches past the short line you'll get a phone number.

[@EM_303]

That's why you never take opinion from someone not on scene. It's soooo easy for anyone (and i'm not doubting his experience or expertise) to over exaggerate the severity of the situation. I will believe him when I see the runway path of the planes instead of his statement. That shitty animation cbs did didnt help at all.

[@MudBuddy55]

What’s up with SW these days? Seems like their pilots need to be taught to look out the window for oncoming traffic before crossing a runway threshold. At the same time teach them to peek out the window when landing to make sure they’re not coming in too low.

[@patrickrabion9473]

Drama-rama once again…😳🤦‍♂️

[@stephen5147]

Controllers need to slow down their talking. That 1st call to reject the TO was garbled.

[@OutlawTwo]

Kinda funny since there have been many times talking slowly or slowed down has caused disruption. I don't know your background so I'll keep it generalized. The more you listen, the easier it is to hear. General rule of thumb has been as long as those communicating understand each other, you are good. The pilot response of "say again" is appropriate if you didn't fully catch it or if you simply wanted to clarify without getting too verbose.

[@stephen5147]

@@OutlawTwo "Kinda funny since there have been many times talking slowly or slowed down has caused disruption." I flew military fighters 20 years, major airline 19 years. I've never seen that. You get their attention first, then you clearly tell them the message. It's like when your wife is giving you a non-stop diatribe... only when she boldly states your name do you finally pay the proper attention. "The more you listen, the easier it is to hear." There are a lot of distractions, other people talking, etc. You can't listen with 100% attention all the time. Not practical. Again - Boldly get their attention, then clearly & slowly send the message. The best way. I've seen it all my 52 years of flying.

[@chopperskier]

Definitely a lack of communication between the ground controller and tower controller; At least they figured it out in time. As a single pilot Medevac pilot, I can't listen to both tower and ground at the same time, while the Med crew is also in my ear (company policy: I need to have comms open to the back of the plane)- listening to 3 conversations at one time while flying the plane is simply too much- so this scenario scares the heck out of me! I know some companies with dual pilot crews has the PM listening to multiple freqs while making the radio calls, while the PF only listens to the appropriate controller they're in direct communications with- every company is slightly different. You'd think there would be a way for the ground and tower controllers to hit a button on a computer program that would alert the other that they just cleared a plane to cross, or for takeoff... or something of that affect. Then, the program could show a warning light somewhere on their screen/audio signal in their ear/ etc...

[@dgoddard]

That reporter was like listening to a group of screaming small children dragging their fingernails down a chalkboard. Yikes. Who hired that guy and did they ask him to read anything prior to the job?

[@billnict1]

Busiest single runway airport in the US with no room to grow...

[@RhymingLemon]

This is the ground controller's fault. You have two controllers on two different frequencies. They are called Ground and Tower. Tower controls the runways. Ground controls the taxiways. This is a breakdown between the ground and tower controller. The Ground cleared a plane to cross a runway without clearing it with the tower frequency controller. Also, the instructor they interviewed has a chicken little complex to make himself look more important than he is. The controllers aborted actions as trained. The controller sensationalized so that it could possibly get San Diego International expanded.

[@MudBuddy55]

Seems like the SW 785 pilots lacked situational awareness if they didn’t notice the other SW plane getting ready to take off on the same runway they’re getting ready to cross. Thankfully the controllers caught this before anything bad happened.

[@ictpilot]

It entered the runway environment but not actually on the runway.

[@Themanisred]

I agree with the expert. I do Uber and lyft.I'm down by the airport a lot. I saw an incoming flight diverted a couple of weeks ago upon approach. That airport is not designed for the size of this city. The pilots used to have to have to many many flying hours under their belt to be qualified to land to take off in SD. This happened after a rookie pilot crashed in the late 70s

[@Rennyteam359]

Many people, including pilots, have not ever visited a control tower and witnessed controllers working. This is in part due to security by the FAA. What happened here was wrong. There could be many reasons for the breakdown in communication between the controllers. Could be that one of the controllers was in training on the positions involved or something else. I was at ORD in the 70's and witnessed more than one near miss. I can guarantee you no controller takes it lightly. This is not a job for the faint of heart. Many days can be very challenging but that is what makes the job so much fun, so controllers MUST be at the top of their game all the time. Over the next few years the FAA will be training thousands of new controllers.

[@devengudinas1649]

To many SW planes would confuse me also

[@truthserum5310]

DEI hiring practices is the problem here folks. We are hiring ATC personnel that aren't qualified for the job.

[@gordonbryan8381]

So truthserum5310, is your DEI comment based on the female or male voice on the ATC tapes? You conveniently left that part out of your comment.

[@hounddog946]

Isn’t it time for SD to replace SAN with a multiple runway out east of town.

[@ellischernoff8603]

Katz is correct. I too have decades of professional flying experience and have operated scheduled service at San Diego Airport.

[@jaym8257]

San Diego needs to build another airport out in the countryside.

[@stevenrobinson2381]

Good luck with that.........

[@Pilot84787]

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is currently preoccupied with the upcoming presidential elections, which has resulted in a concerning number of air traffic controllers making the same error. On the other hand, pilots consistently maintain vigilance and monitor their surroundings, even when given a clearance. While I acknowledge the stress of this demanding profession, it is regrettable that relying solely on air traffic controllers’ instructions has become less reliable in recent times.

[@SM-Flyers]

"Near miss" So they hit! I think you mean a 'near hit'

[@Gracie2517]

If you listen to ATC from around the U.S., this happens ALOT lately

[@admastersagency1718]

This is what happens when you hire DEI employees, instead of the best and smartest.

[@1rembo69]

We are just 1 away from the BIG ONE happening at many of our high traffic airports. It's only time before something catastrophic happens. I won't be surprised when it does happen

[@xisotopex]

thats a dumb statement. you could say that about ANYTHING.

[@jaysoncarter5093]

This occurs way too often. I've always known we only have one runway. Why we didn't build a new one when we had chance, I'll never know. I think they need to remove cell phones. I would be tempted to use mine. This is a very high stress job requiring constant vigilance.

[@flycatchful]

Just a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.

[@mizzyroro]

SWA1478: Tower when ready I have a number for you to call for possible ATC deviation. 🙄😂

[@yankeeairpirate1799]

You mean a near hit?…..it was a total miss…

[@mchristr]

Not much to see here. The controllers caught their mistake and held the planes.

[@JS-zb1vv]

Humans make mistakes!! Look how many planes are in motion in our country!! We are pretty safe !!

[@xisotopex]

I didnt think ATC could ever cancel a takeoff clearance once the roll had started.

[@OhMySack]

They absolutely can and will in these exact circumstances.

[@craigb5017]

It is unusual, but it does happen, and only for safety reasons. Depending on how far along the aircraft is, a pilot may not be able to comply, or may have to stop and work a checklist after. It is not a desirable situation. I was a controller for 29 years.

[@erauprcwa]

Damn! This reported has a jarring voice. Also the phone guy is a little extra. It's not a difficult airport, it's definitely NOT a short runway, and from this incident, it was mitigated pretty quickly.

[@itsvictoroyedeji]

There's only 1 runway in San Diego, I believe. How this they mix those up? (and don't assume the lady is in the fault simply becuase it's a lady. the guy could be wrong as well. so wait until the report comes out before passing immediate judgement).

[@OutlawTwo]

Two different controllers, this is normal and two different pilots (planes) One position is for ground, aircraft moving between their gate and the runway both before takeoff and after landing and clearing the runway. The other is tower or local, they deal with the aircraft in their airspace as well as in this instance aircraft taking off and landing. The mix up likely occurred as a result of tower giving ground clearance for one to cross the runway. They get a call from another southwest for takeoff and it slips their mind of the other. The reporting and the "expert" make this sound a lot worse than it is and a lot less frequent as it occurs all over.

[@Brent-j1p]

"The second Southwest aircraft never entered the runway." In other words "nothing happened." And....that.....reporter.....needs.....to....brush....up.....on....his....speaking....skills.....

[@theamateurbackyardgardener543]

What does a near miss have to do with public safety? Who writes this stuff?

[@devengudinas1649]

Absolutely nothing

[@automaton450]

Near hit.

[@sisterblissuk9253]

Remember what happened at Haneda Toyko airport jan 2024...

[@garrettsaurer8652]

Why were they traveling to the north runway? New T1 certainly won't add to the already overpacked capacity. Yeesh!

[@DanFrederiksen]

isn't this an old incident?

[@jools2323]

This is happening way too often in the US.

[@HannesEnslin]

Best practice would be to have a single controller manage all action on a runway thus - when an aircraft needs to cross the runway they should talk to the primary controller managing the runway and not a ground controller elsewhere??? Simple - no one clears an aircraft onto or across a runway but the runway controller???

[@gordonbryan8381]

Let’s split some hairs here with Robert Katz on how the near-hit never happened. Once you cross the hold short line you are now in the “runway environment”. But you are not “on the runway” until the nose of your aircraft crosses the edge of the concrete/asphalt. The runway at Lindbergh is 200’ wide. The wingspan of a 737-800 is 118’. There is 41’ of clearance from the wingtip to the edge of the runway. 1/2 0f 200 = 100. 1/2 of 118 is 59. 100 - 59 = 41’. Southwest said they were past the hold short line, but did not say they were on the runway. An error by the two controllers, for sure, but it was captured before anything tragic occurred.

Pay attention flyers, your lives are in the hands of the Fumble and Bumble twins!

[@Ridejumpfly]

Your instructor is over dramatic. A single runway operation is only complex when having to cross as was the case here. In my opinion the crossing should be handled by local and not through coordination with ground but that’s a local San tower discussion. With departure gaps provided by SCT (Southern California TRACON) the towers job is quite simple. The most dangerous and complex airports are those with crossing runway configs like Houston hobby, Chicago midway, and San Francisco. Bottom line here- there was a communication breakdown regarding the crossing of the runway by the controllers. They recognized their mistake and corrected it.

[@onelittlelamb4030]

Pass the hold line, wings can hit? I assume.

[@jonnie2bad]

possible if the plane taking off is off centerline. Would also depend on wingspan and how far past the hold short they we're of course.

[@jamesbradford8574]

Ok that's the end of that. I'm not going to be insulted by somebody who speaks this slowly. Wtf

[@Ak-fg2gr]

Those of you who are in shock should not watch VASAviation channel or Real ATC channel :D The guy on the phone is clueless. . . San Diego is easy to manage in comparison to other airports with crossing runways and terminals on opposing sides. This was a snafu between ground and tower controllers where if pilots and copilots monitoring channels are also aware as they should be.

[@Dontbesuspicious]

“We should get paid the same” lol 😂

[@Passions]

Why even use humans, just automate this with AI

[@MannyL-g3m]

Not close to a near miss. Media is stupid.

[@LEVELGAZANOW]

So, nothing happened. Got it! Hey Mr. Katz, try not to be too over dramatic in your opinions. It’s always nice to hear a CFI give their “expert” opinion. 🙄

[@tommymacander32]

She should be fired immediately

[@barbiek3987]

Why 'her'? Why not 'him'?

[@jasonhart9880]

It was not a "near miss".

[@danielkenber9823]

Thank god for lifer flight instructors.

[@Todd-w6u]

Retired UAL, Surprised they didn’t blame Boeing! A lot of hype here. ( media).

[@ArunLal-d6s]

ATC here. Yeah, this one's on us - ugh.

[@dougca7086]

Are near Miss would mean they hit a near hit would mean they missed so this was a near hit

[@brothersgrimmshow2496]

Controllers need to get their heads out.

[@thomasmahoney9748]

Diversity is our STRENGTH! Shawanda messed up.

[@michaelbare5380]

Media sensationalism. ATC worked as it should. Never been real impressed with many flight instructors.

[@eddiemunster8634]

Time to play America's favorite game, “spot the dei weak link“

[@commonsenseisntcommon1776]

And SD is small!! Wow

[@billjones3071]

Problem is they need more diversity in the tower

[@fernandomaciasjr7638]

Happens more than you cover

[@1000kennedydk]

taxi path?

[@jaym8257]

ATC needs to improve.

[@leonhue722]

It's called "The Blame Game

[@AlonsoRules]

Lindbergh Field is no joke

[@KarenKennedy-lq8nt]

Flying is stressful.😣