The End is Nigh for Qatar and Emirates

[@cobyexplanes]

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[@Drunken_Master]

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[@awesomeman116a]

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[@1nbp]

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[@sick9990101]

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[@anneboyer6359]

STOP PROMOTING betterhelp. Take a good hard look at comments under your video. I don't think you care about your community.

[@cskvision]

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[@trainjedi9651]

There's a decent chance he's contractually obligated to produce however many BH ads, which he signed before knowing of their scuminess. It's likely also why he hasn't acknowledge any of the the complaints

[@British919]

@@trainjedi9651many other aviation influencers also have a contract with bh

[@evklinken]

Do not use BetterHelp

[@reallockdown345]

Followed Coby for years. Its a genuine shame to see him advertise 'better'help.

[@GlutenEruption]

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[@talonsl]

Very disappointed.

[@BadYossa]

Hear hear.

[@NickIggler1969]

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[@chickenwarriorr]

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[@Defender78]

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[@GabrielGasp]

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[@thebaseballcow2024]

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[@sentinel4733]

Correction. Qatar makes its money from gas primarily. It is not a large oil producer on the scale Saudi. Dubai has essentially no oil. Abu Dhabi has all the oil in UAE.

[@atlaslion.5869]

Its right hes talking rubbish

[@elestromusicgamesfun1101]

Dubai is a city...

[@WillReims-s2s]

Qatar has a proven reserve of 25 billion barrels (Sept 2023) while Dubai, a city in the UAE as a reserve of 107 billion barrels (March 2024). Dubai is the largest city within the UAE while its capital is Abu Dhabi.

[@pulkeshikothavale4550]

​@@WillReims-s2sDubai had reduced it's revenue from oil to only 30% of the entire city, I live in UAE and it's a common joke here that Dubai is broke etc, they aren't but oil isn't their shtick, that's Abu Dhabi's

[@WillReims-s2s]

@@pulkeshikothavale4550 There has been skirmishes between Emirs for years as most of them would like to run the country but it does not work that way. I didn't know that the oil rigs were split between them which is ridiculous because there are only two main oil pockets for them all. Thanks for the information.

[@TheBalkenende]

I think you overlooked airport infrastructure. Both Dubai and Doha have big and efficient airports. Efficiency is not something India is known for.

[@jayaditt]

indian airports in multiple cities like bangalore and new dehli are world class. bangalore , a huge tech hub has probably the best airport in the world.

[@druufy]

Sorry to burst your bubble but this airport isnt even in the top 100 airports in the world. ​@jayaditt

[@SachinRaghunathan]

Not yet but it's coming. India will likely have the Asia's biggest airport by 2030 at Delhi jewar

[@TheBalkenende]

@@SachinRaghunathan biggest isn’t the same as being suitable for a big home carrier that relies on connecting traffic. There’s a reason LAX doesn’t have a dominant carrier (at least part of the reason). It’s a nightmare airport to make connections at. No doubt will India’s airports become very large, but they better up their game when it comes to logistics. DXB handles massive amounts of traffic, and that’s only possible because of the right infrastructure and the right people on the job.

[@SachinRaghunathan]

@@TheBalkenende Right, right. Airports at Delhi, Mumbai and Bengaluru are already world class. So india knows how to run big, quality airpots. More such on the way. I think Jewar specifically will be competing with the ME super hubs. But only time will tell.

[@V1Rotate380]

Emirates and Qatar aren’t at risk at all. Both have got a ton of loyal customers that only will fly EK or QR.

[@Morecreativemind]

Yessir

[@armunro]

Well this loyal Qatar customer recently switched to Ethihad as they were considerably cheaper and basically the same quality service. So price matters too.

[@virtueofhate1778]

Customers are only loyal for their wallets.

[@doujinflip]

Living in Dubai… I actually flew a lot of QR because of its better airfares and ground experience 😅

[@canberkbeker4118]

So much speculations in this video

[@bodigames]

For those of you that have never flown in an A380 before…. It’s complete next level. No other plane beats it. The comfort you have in economy is amazing. And that’s the reason why I will keep flying Emirates. A380 above anything else!!!!!

[@syedali639]

Reasons I disagree with the video 1. Emirates and Qatar will always remain ahead because they ALREADY HAVE ASSETS; meaning, these new "competitors" such as Air India and Riyadh Air can count their blessings if they get any of their deliveries on time; newsflash, they WON'T! 2. Dubai has become a more popular point to point destination and while the layover and connecting business remains high, people from Europe and Asia are coming to Dubai to wine, dine, shop, entertain, and enjoy themselves; Golden and Green visas will drive Dubai's growth, and ultimately, Emirates growth; Riyadh and New Delhi won't have the same appeal 3. Emirates and Qatar already have established and experienced Human Resources; 106k employees with average tenure of 10 years; I know of folks in EK that have been with the company for 30 years and the next generation is poised to take over; Air India and Riyadh Air will require a MASSIVE recruitment drive and setup processes, procedures, and team synergies from scratch, which will take a lot of time during which EK and QR will easily expand their lead 4. The new technologies you are referring to, guess who is going to get their hands on them first? That's right, Emirates and Qatar, so they'll further expand their lead with an increasing fleet size and greater global reach; Riyadh Air's 78 aircraft will barely make a dent when compared to the 400+ fleet Emirates and Qatar will have in a few years 5. I can go on and on and on let's see if someone wants to debate then I'll bring out the rest of my points😎

[@bekakraanis4883]

And He Didn't Bring out Airline Alliances

[@AmateurEdits1]

​@@Nicolas-ol7jlfr Qatar airways and emirates are respectable and trusted for safety and quality. Air India not so much.

[@Nicolas-ol7jl]

@@AmateurEdits1 yes i agree sir. And they smell so bad

[@Adrenaline_chaser]

The fundamental thing that YOU have ignored is PRICE. Customers will choose the lowest fare & that is gonna be a guarantee with Indigo coming in (with their a350 from 2027) and a renewed Air India, which has CHANGED its owner: it's been sold to the TATA group (which is very respected by Indians). India is home to 1,4 billion people and Bangladesh is populous too. Dubai may have a chance for higher income Europeans but the rest will be choosing Indian airlines.

[@MrBastubhai]

​@@Adrenaline_chaser It only the qty of flyers india will have not the quality and one with buying power,India has Soo many cheap flyers means no space for quality flying,Air India even has domestic competition with Vistara it can even come close to Emirates and Qatar

[@justin423]

Dubai is 20% oil, 80% something else. Abu Dhabi is 80% oil 20% something else Something not propositioned is that Emirates survives, while Qatar and Ethiad don't. That location as the mid point and the place where fuel efficiency is not degraded can't be overstated since, it actually works from both the US AND Europe.

[@Averagebarcaliverpoolshababala]

You know cop28 started back in 2023 we only use 10% oil mostly we use re usable materials like wind. Mills solar panels and dams please learn some more geography about the uae

[@justin423]

@@Averagebarcaliverpoolshababala ? Those are the relative percentages of the sources of GDP. Why are you talking about wind?

[@Averagebarcaliverpoolshababala]

@@justin423 as we have turned more efficient the emirates changed there average system into a reusable type of material

[@robinmowatt4506]

Dubai does not have oil at all, so please correct this misinformation

[@justin423]

@@robinmowatt4506 yes, it is Natural gas.. I meant petroleum based products in general.

[@swanvictor887]

As a Brit, living in S.E Asia but often flying to Europe.....sorry, I don't buy the India stopover option at all. Dubai and Abu Dhabi Airports are Awesome: clean, efficient and high standards of passenger comfort. India is a chaotic, Lawless MESS. WHEN India builds a Western-Standard Top-Flight International Airport that is NOT crammed to capacity by people...and I can eat there without getting food poisoning...then maybe they will get a chance...but I'm not holding my breath. I live in Brunei and fly often through Singapore and KL : All three Airports are Phenomenal. Dubai will be a hard act to follow.

[@jobangharekhan2601]

India has way better metropolitan airports than “western airports “. Mumbai CSMI T2 is better than any so called western airport which is trash , unfriendly and chaotic. Why should we build airports as per your standards. Infact the west needs to build their airports like the ones is Asia

[@Camera7Productions]

India is having new airports in 10 years it will at par with the ME.

[@markingle8487]

I completely agree with you. The Middle East carriers also seem to manage the connections very well, and so the overall experience is great whilst not necessarily being the cheapest option... a good balance. For example, I tend to prefer to fly Ethiad or Emirates to South East Asia. One gets a lovely Airbus A380 for one leg, a shortish two hour stopover in a decent airport, then a semi decent plane (if you choose carefully) for the other leg. So for me no to the likes of Turkish, Air India, or China Southern; but on the other hand the ideal would be an Airbus A380 to Singapore (long leg), and a really short leg on an A320/A330 or 737/787 but this has never worked out cost effective.

[@MrPsychomonkey]

​@@Camera7ProductionsIndia can not do the calm, straight forward and always are able to break your bags.

[@Christaus]

I agree that India has the potential geographically to be a major hub but they will need to be very significant infrastructure upgrades both in terms of airports and airspace management. Emirates has the benefit of a long-term plan to move their hub once the present airport reaches capacity, and fuel is not going to get any cheaper, which means the ultralong haul flights will still be pricey for example Qantas will have business class heavy A350s. So there is a role for a long time yet for the Middle Eastern airlines at the right price points. So interesting discussion but very much for the long long term

[@autarchprinceps]

I always find it weird, when people somehow equate Asia meaning just East Asia. India isn't halfway between Europe and Asia, it's pretty much in the middle of Asia already, east west wise at least. Even all the Arabian peninsular states are still Asia.

[@stepladder3257]

americans

[@Sthuont]

Well I mean... technically Europe is (Eur)Asia too so 🤷‍♂

[@thecooletompie]

I'm not sure Airbus is bending over backwards for emirates and Qatar. They famously don't want to reengine the A380 something emirates want, they had that whole public battle with Qatar over the A350 paint issues even canceling their narrow body orders.

[@yves2932]

Quatar isnt that big in the end and they chose to be a constant pain in the ass. Emirates is a big customer and both A380 and B77X wouldnt have seen EIS without Emirates huge orders. Airbus couldnt justify the investment for a reengine as other airlines were already turning away from the A380. The business case just was not there.

[@gledatelj1979]

@@yves2932 There is no investment for a reengine for Airbus , It's all Rolls Royce. it would just take too much time until 30's

[@yves2932]

​@@gledatelj1979 Reeingening is not for free. It cost Airbus millions to reengine the A330 and A320 families. E.g. new pylons required, and different engines means different aerodynamics requiring changes in the flight computer.

[@gledatelj1979]

@@yves2932 It's not free but it's straight forward as long as there is ground clearance and A380 has a lot and A350 has enough I think.

[@paradoxmo]

The issue with the A380 and why airbus wouldn’t reengine it is simply that too few customers will buy it. None of the American or Chinese airlines need this plane because they are more interested in direct routes with smaller planes, and 4 engines requires too much fuel. only 250 planes were sold, compared to 650 A350s, a program that had a similar cost to develop.

[@rawmango1321]

Tbh still a lot of indians travel on emirates and qatar rather than air india and while Riyadh air is growing they still wont be as good as emirates and qatar in my opinion

[@KennyGoof]

True

[@KennyGoof]

Also, I have the same opinion

[@kell7195]

Yeah the Saudis are renowned for not being good at much unless its staffed 100% with imported staff and leadership, they have the money to pull it off but Emirates and Qatar are a hard act to follow.

[@doujinflip]

Emirates practically is the international flag carrier of India considering how intensively it serves the subcontinent 😂

[@myst1c951]

@@doujinflipthat is very true csn confirm

[@m_jai3728]

i think india needs to sort out their whole country before people would even consider a stop there.

[@nntflow7058]

And you think Qatar sort out their problems before millions did transit there? Passengers don't care as long as it's cheap.

[@jobangharekhan2601]

Then don’t stop

[@d.b.cooper1]

They also seem keep having diplomatic spats with various governments where for some reason the first thing they do is make visa's harder for travellers. Also wouldn't be price competitive imo as most routes would be full of Indians travelling back home, thus little incentive to lower prices as seats fill easily.

[@Jazzzb0y]

India needs to just sort out an airport and an aerocity around it. That's all that Doha is... and Dubai is just a Vegas style extension of that. Doesn't take much to serve a couple million transiters a year.

[@orangecat3021]

@@jobangharekhan2601we won’t and so do many. India needs to fix their PR and country as a whole

[@ravs0727]

Emirates and Qatar also has competition from non-stop flights now from North America (United, American, Air Canada, Air India) to India. They may not match the service of Qatar or Emirates but the advantage of having a non-stop flight does have its benefit and that is why the number of flights have been growing.

[@CarlosLopezES]

Airplanes can do Europe - Asia without any problem. The introduction of ULR airplanes it's not an issue here for them.

[@user-yt198]

Video explains why a stopover in Middle East will always be cheaper than a direct flight. There is always a significant price sensitive passenger group.

[@CarlosLopezES]

@@user-yt198 That's precisely the point. New ULR airplanes are not changing that.

[@thecooletompie]

@@user-yt198 Emirates and Qatar have never been cheaper for any route I've considered (going to Tokyo, seoul, hong kong, Indonesia, new zealand or Australia). Maybe I'm just trying to book in the wrong seasons.

[@ferdinandhendriks3507]

Rather a few hours stopover in the middle East, than being trapped for 12h straight in a cramped old KLM.

[@MrPsychomonkey]

Plus their large Hubs and fleet makes a vast combination of routes work

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Why are you upset about them?

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[@raptorshootingsystems3379]

I think you are missing the true threat Indian carriers represent. If they can improve their passenger experience, it is Indians flying to and from India considering the population of India and their growing economy. Capturing those customers is not only the growth engine for the Indian airlines but a loss of revenue for the Middle East airlines. Customers connecting between Europe and Asia are less of an opportunity. Asia has numerous carriers already that fly non stop to Europe and North America. As other airlines have experienced, competing with the Asian airlines for Asian customers is a tough road. I believe one US airline learned that 65% of the business between China and the USA was driven from the Asian customer base, not US side and that airline was loosing tens of millions trying to compete on those routes. The Middle East airlines represent a greater threat to Qantas and Air New Zealand who can project sunrise all they want, Emirates and Qatar will be able to offer connections at a far better price.

[@harshsharma3783]

6:20 correction : indigo has agreed to place order for 30 A350-900s which will start delivering from 2027 , additionally indigo has purchased rights for further 70 A350-900s.

[@BBbrewer13]

Fuel burn (fuel economy) does not increase exponentially with distance the way your graph was shown with distance. Yes there is truth that a long range aircraft has worse economy earlier in the flight while it is carrying the fuel needed, but the exponential factor is too small to say its better to fly a long range aircraft on shorter routes with less fuel on board because taking off, maneuvering and landing eat into that significantly. Longer range airplanes/flights have better fuel economy per seat mile than shorter flights and landing and taking off an extra time further worsens the comparison. To say that their advantage is based upon stopping midway saves fuel is misleading. Putting that graph up as any way representing the real relationship especially without any axis labels is not good especially for a channel of your caliber. Their advantage is geography, and allows them to cover city pairs that would be too thin to operate directly (hub and spoke model advantage) or where the range didn't exist in the first place for direct service. If fuel economy was the issue why would longer range, fuel efficient aircraft ever be developed?

[@desertpoj]

I think you don’t understand how Emirates became successful. Sir Tim Clark on the other hand clearly does. They are a classic hub and spoke airline but on an intercontinental scale. Emirates and its facsimile competitors are based in the perfect spot. As you correctly say ultra-long range is is less efficient, but recent airliners, early model 777s, A380s and A340s are still pretty efficient out to 6000 nm and the newer A350, B787 and B777X are really efficient out to ranges of up to 6000 nm and pretty good out to 7000 nm. Draw a 6000 or 7000nm range ring around LHR, SYD, CDG, JFK or LAX and there are plenty of place you can’t connect. Do the same around Dubai and the only place you can’t reach is Kiritimati in the Pacific Ocean. But the real luck of the UAE, other than its oil is its precise location. It is perfect to connect the largest immigrant communities in the world. It can connect Asia to the to the largest South Asian communities in the world: Los Angeles, NY State, Washington DC, Texas and Toronto. It can connect a billion Europeans to Oceana and Asia. You mentioned that longer range aircraft will be able to fly further to directly connect city pairs. But traffic between LHR and the likes of Auckland, Perth and even Sydney does not compare to London and New York. Dubai is a hub. Emirates’ A380 landing at SYD is not just depositing Londoners on Bondi Beach. It is hoovering up passengers from all over Europe. The London to Dubai flights deposit people with destinations like Wellington, Melbourne, Tokyo (especially now that U.K. airlines can’t fly over Russia) Delhi, Lahore, Manila and even Cape Town. If you live in Glasgow Scotland and wanted to get to Melbourne why would you go with BA? I once landed an A340 in the UAE from LHR and the crew at baggage reclaim outnumbered the passengers staying over by 2:1. The other 300 people were connecting to all over Africa, Asia and Oceana. When we picked up passengers from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Mumbai the majority were en route to the U.K. and North America. As an ‘expert’ you failed completely to comprehend why Sir Tim Clark succeeded with Emirates. He understood that the Trucial States occupy the most crucial geographical position in aviation.

[@ronythomas3421]

You missed 1 important point Coby. A vast proportion of Emirates and QA traffic is the Indian diaspora itself. At present this huge traffic hops on Emirates or QA to travel West or East with a stop in Dubai. Air India launching direct to major Western and Eastern capitals will be a significant turning point and fundamentally affect the business models of Gulf carriers.

[@WWade-cm8hx]

Qatar and Emirates have nothing to fear from India or Saudi based carriers because the cultures are so different. I've never had second thoughts about connecting in Dubai or Doha. The same cannot be said about their competitors and a 14 hour flight is still a 14 hour flight.

[@slamtilt01]

Their reputations are both pretty solid. I think they are not likely to fail. I remember similar things being said about Singapore 🇸🇬 airlines at one stage. But they’re still around. It might be that one or both carriers may look at acquiring another airline as a way to expand their presence and form a second base. Either in the Middle East or further afield.

[@antjee]

Good point, both airlines are staying on top of things and are constantly innovating, they don't rest on their laurels.

[@awesomeman116a]

Recently Qatar has been getting worse, especially after that one flight reviewer KZbinr (idk what they’re called) had such horrible service

[@oadka]

@@awesomeman116a I think you are thinking about josh cahill

[@johnbx2795]

@@oadkaHe’s that obnoxious twat who winds up cabin crew in order to post negative reviews when they don’t tolerate his behaviour.

[@michaelmcbride809]

You seem to have ignored the problem of obtaining landing slots for these new airlines in their destination cities. Airports are not expanding as fast as the rise in air traffic (if they are expanding at all). New airlines will not only have to find new passengers but also find places to pick they up and drop them off. This seems to be their biggest obstacle.

[@OperationNonsense]

to say any indian carriers can even remotely challenge qatar and emirates is a ridiculous bad joke. apart from government subsidies offered by oil rich nations, quality of product and service is simply night and day.

[@Voraciousvoyager]

It’s not about premium travellers . Each of them operate 10 flights a day to India . That chunk will go to AI very soon.

[@mmaximk]

You appear unaware that the largest orders for aircraft in the history of aviation have just been placed by Indian airlines. This demonstrates not only their access to capital, labour and sustainment logistics but also evidences the spectacular increase in demand for air travel in the world's most populous nation.

[@puttinxyilo]

Family member did fly Air India, and said never ever again.

[@UsmanYoosuf-h2q]

@@mmaximk Orders do not mean quality of service, Which Qatar and Emirates offer with no limits

[@unhandled776]

To say that middle eastern airlines will be able to challenge global carriers was as much of a joke, 2 decades back. Indian carriers are a much shorter leap.

[@OmarAw-k6q]

Not sure I entirely agree. Dubai and Doha are already big and popular business and tourist hub. Suggesting that they are merely a connection airport to connect from (like Frankfurt..) is a bit much. The most obvious “shortcoming” these airlines have, which is actually quite easy to solve and they have started, is the lack of narrow body short haul flights. They’ve been relying ok code shares with other smaller airlines in the region like FlyDubai and recently FlyNas. That, and new destinations including in the African market are ways they can take a step forward. They WILL face competition of course they will, but they’re already way ahead of the competition and they’ve built reputations and assets.

[@fanta6789]

FYI, Vistara is a JV between Tata and Singapore Airlines. Singapore Airlines is also investing in the new AirIndia entity.

[@Mucy_DE]

And Vistara recently got taken over by AirIndia and will soon vanish as a result as the fleet is incorporated into their new mother airline.

[@aasamspb967]

@@Mucy_DE I think the CEO of Air India said they will shut down Vistara only well Air India rise up to the quality of Vistara.

[@gottfriedheumesser1994]

India's disadvantage is the Monsoon during summer. It disturbs air traffic just during the most important tourism time.

[@ilovetotri23]

If I ever had to stop over in a city where I could visit for some time it would be in India. I have many Indian friends, so it just feels safer than the any place in the Persian Gulf.

[@bjarnebambynek7065]

in my opinion the service and the overall experience you get on a plane from either these airlines is far better than on any competitor. if you have the choice between two airlines you choose the best option between money and comfort. that’s where they’re focussing on. as well as airports. yes, ultra long haul flights will safe some hours but many people will enjoy the time to take a walk, not being in a plane and if you have nice places to hang out in these airports, it’s a true advantage

[@doujinflip]

Living in Dubai… I ended up flying a lot of QR not only due to cheaper fares but also DOH is just better to hang out in than the DXB shopping mall and kinda tired premium lounges. There’s even more regional competition now that the new IST opened.

[@yves2932]

I guess when flying business most ppl would prefer a nonstop flight. Enduring an ultra long haul flight in basic eco is a totally different story. Yet when ULR flights suck the oxigen of business class, that'll wrack Emirates business case anyway. I doubt they'd be as competitive with much less first/business revenue.

[@herberthonegger]

There seems to be a bit of a misconception here. Fuel use does not grow exponentially with distance. While additional fuel is needed to carry more fuel, fuel burn actually reduces slightly during the flight sice the weight of the aircraft decreases as fuel is burned off.

[@onkarpradhan6482]

You forget SIA, especially for those travelling to Ocenia. Nothing beats SIA and Singapore for that.

[@NikonF5user]

I rather hate sayings like " upon its release, the 777x will be one of the world's most efficient widebodies". There are only really four widebody jets in mainstream production! A330, A350, 777X, and 787! You can make that argument about any of the four!

[@sanketchakraborty9663]

Air india didnt gobble vistara.. Vistara was a TATA undertaking already with SIA.. So they merged both brands.. Yes merging it to Vistara would have been better

[@mimatimas]

Riyadh Air does not serve alcohol which will curtail its appeal to western travellers.

[@RasheedKhan-he6xx]

Factoid for you. Technically, Tata *re*-took Air India. Grandpa Tata founded it in 1932 and it was nationalised after India's independence. Over the last 70 years it has been so badly run that after dozens of bailouts the government admitted defeat and put it up for sale except nobody wanted to buy it. It kicked around in the discount basket until the Tata family just felt really bad about what had happened to Grandpapy's dream so they agreed to take it on extremely favourable terms for themselves. As for the rest of your hypothesis, no if ER and QR are in danger its not from India or Saudi Arabia. India is great at getting it's act together but incapable of holding it for very long. And Saudi can throw all its money at a problem but they posess no skilled leadership personnel at all and with their 12th century tribal Bedouin mindset they couldn't "organise a piss-up in a brewery" as they say. Disagree? Witness their failed before it ever started mega-city, Noom. The threat to QR and ER is that they've reached a critical mass and its getting harder to grow. Diminishing returns are setting in. They've milked Europe, Middle East, Asia for all they can get. They're pretty strong in Africa but after that, there's no where left to grow. They would need to maybe crack open the US and Chinese domestic markets plus operate regionally in Central and South America. I don't think that's likely, do you? Another threat, linked to the reintroduction of long haul equipment that you mentioned, is peace. You see with so much conflict in Europe and the Middle East commercial aircraft have to circumnavigate their way around several dangerous bits of airspace, they can't fly the shortest route. They also can't easily plot polar routes because of sanctions and restrictions on using Russian airspace. That and the fact passenger jets now fly about 30% slower than they did in the 1990s (in a bid to save fuel) means direct flights from Europe to East Asia are very long. Peace however could shorten the flight time sufficiently for business travellers to happily fly direct and sleep on the plane rather than deal with an interchange in Doha or Dubai. And that will pehaps rekindle other struggling erstwhile giants, Singapore and Thai and JAL.

[@petergates852]

An additional factor is what I'd term "overflight geography limitations", with probably the best current example are overflight restrictions and detours around Russia and Ukraine.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

Yep, Qatar Doha to Yerevan (Armenia) flies over Egypt :)

[@telamin1809]

Indigo is a low cost carrier and air India has a stigma for having awful meals and poor service. Saudi also has its own stigma. And Riyadhs current airport is below par to cater to mass transit passengers when compared to dxb or Hamad Intl. Direct ultra long haul flights will be expensive and too long for economy passengers to bear. They might be slightly affected by what you listed but I think Emirates and Qatar will be just fine.

[@JayneBirch]

Another good video. However, I'd like to see the data comparing fuel burn on ULR flights compared to one stop flights. I'm no engineer, but I would have thought that the amount of fuel burnt on take off is quite significant. Also, there's the additional cost of the stop over at the airport.

[@bdhxjdmambdj4657]

Riyad Air won’t be a threat unless they sort out their airport situation. Anyone travelled through any Saudi airport, won’t do that mistake again.

[@FNA27601]

The new Jeddah airport was great.

[@bdhxjdmambdj4657]

@@FNA27601not about the infrastructure. The immigration process and officers.

[@Kryptictails]

@@bdhxjdmambdj4657 Could you explain? In abu dhabi airport they just check your passport and you take your bags and leave

[@bdhxjdmambdj4657]

@@Kryptictails Abu Dhabi is in UAE, not in Saudi. UAE airports are best in the world.

[@Kryptictails]

@@bdhxjdmambdj4657 no i meant how is saudi airports like?

[@Sacto1654]

I think Emirates will fare better because Dubai has become both a major tourist and business center in the Persian Gulf. And if the Iranians get back into good graces with the world, you know Iranian companies will move in _en masse_ into offices in Dubai. By the way, I have my doubts about Riyadh Air. Reason: Saudi Arabia is not a significant tourist and business center destination due to its strict Islamic laws.

[@FNA27601]

Riyadh is a very significant business center, in fact many companies are moving their HQ's to Riyadh from Dubai because it's the center of the middle east and the Dubai recent tax problem. As for tourism yeah mainly religious tourism but it's not difficult making yourself a tourist center so long as you can advertise yourself well.

[@dodaz2049]

Iranian companies will move back to iran and crush dubai if they take off sanctions, not the other way round. Nice try tho !

[@dodaz2049]

@@FNA27601 lol no bud

[@JUFFAIR101]

*Arabian Gulf

[@rosskania5606]

Not sure the maths behind fuel burn. As you travel in distance you burn fuel you get lighter, as you get lighter to keep that constant velocity you don't need to put in as much effort which lowers the fuel flow. I travel alot via the UK and East Asia and Southeast Asia and every time I prefer flying via Dubai. The A380 is more comfortable plus would I rather have 2x 7.5hr flights or one long 15hr flight. Hmm na I like the fact of getting of the aircraft. Go for a comfortable seat, eat, freshen up then jump back on.

[@WhitlSam]

Captain Joe talked about fuel burn a while back. The further you go, the more fuel is required to get there. And that fuel has weight which also needs to be accounted for. So while the plane gets lighter as it burns fuel, it has to carry more to begin with

[@andrelam9898]

@@WhitlSam Good reference. In addition: the more fuel you need to carry, the fewer passengers you can carry. You also need double the crew for rotation. Therefore super long haul flights carry fewer passengers and have more crew onboard. Therefore they cost more to operate than the same route split into two.

[@yves2932]

@@WhitlSam There is a sweet spot for nonstop flights as an additional stop costs a lot of fuel as well plus additional landing fees. Climbing to your travel altitude is the most fuel burning phase and you're doubling it with a stop.

[@naga6962]

AND ... has anybody done a 20 hours flight?! I have ... and its just bearable on a spacious 747. On a sardine packed 777 .. it would be hell.

[@valiantvanadium6996]

@@naga6962 done europe to se asia loads. just reserved nyc to singapore direct. 17 hours or something crazy like that. premium economy with nobody beside me. looking forward already

[@randallgvideos]

A jet is most fuel efficient at altitude. Not buying that landing and taking off in the middle of a long haul flight saves fuel.

[@ReerMiyi]

As an airline employee based in Heathrow. I disagree with a lot of things u mentioned. If I want to fly far east Asia, my choice will be middle Eastern carriers. 1: unique geographical area, pleasant reception, newer aircraft, clean, stop over either in Dubai or Doha. You have an enjoyable time. I don't think I will stop over Delhi in 24 hrs. It's an overcrowded city and hygienically not good. You also mentioned long haul flights from London, Paris, or Franfurt. The majority of European passengers prefer middle Eastern service. I am being honest.

[@Shafiqalassi]

Dubai's reputation as a luxurious and inviting destination is undeniable. Dubai is indisputably a premier destination for those seeking luxury and opulence. this will definitely help Emirates to maintain the business momentum. for Doha and Riyadh, I think those cities still questionable. Riyadh may have advantages in the future to attain interest to be a place for attractions visit and business.

[@briantaylor6545]

He's arguing possibility instead of probability. Yes it's possible these to airlines go belly up, but it's highly improbable. It's more likely that the up-and-comers fail, than the two premiere airlines. Airplanes runs on gas, which the Emirates has a ton of, India need to buy fuel from the Emirates. Operating cost would be higher for Air India, than it would be for Qatar and Emirates airlines.

[@Ksgggg]

He didn't name only india. Saudi is bigger and more powerful. Moreover direct planes if come into existence, they won't even matter.

[@tendonsereko5585]

Wrong question... The growing air travelling population is enough to support all well organised airli especially for the near future. You've correctly pointed out the geographical advantage which will never go away.. (India is not a good example when discussing international success stories ) The advantages you did NOT mention is about dubai are 1- ease of getting a visa. An hour is enough for a q80day stay visa in dubai without having to answer ridiculous questions about oneself. 2- tight security without harassment and sectarianism. We all feel WELCOME and safe in dubai .

[@UlisesShah]

Riyadh Air seems to be a rebranding of Saudia's international routes from Riyadh, so Saudia can focus on Jeddah, Damman, and Medinah.

[@craigroberts3732]

Airlines make their money on premium cabins and not on the economy traveller that air India might appeal to

[@culemanndubai]

Emirates is linked to Dubai rather than the UAE. Of course Dubai is one of the 7 UAE Emirates but it has its own economy which is not dependent on oil. Dubai hardly has any oil left. Emirates also never received fuel subsidies from Dubai’s government. Fact

[@mindblown9]

They’re not gonna go defunct. Air India, indigo, and ryiadh air still have to match their level of product to win over loyal customers.

[@FameyFamous]

The 777x will pass certification in 2025? And Boeing will deliver planes right after that? And airlines will start flying them with customers right after that? I'm not betting on Boeing. They might have to push back the date again.

[@seano906]

you forgot to mention the awesome and award winning airports of Doha and Dubai. one of the reason why this two carriers will have no fear from it's competitors.

[@Gaulty62]

Major correction - Qatar's wealth comes from LNG not Oil.

[@canfly737]

On this topic, you clearly should have done a better research mate.

[@Luke_Go]

I disagree: 1. It's Qatar and Etihad who are in danger 2. Tata/Air India isn't any problem (at least not for the next 20 years), but totally Saudi Arabia 3. To some degree there has been competition: Turkish and Singapore

[@suryabp4834]

singapore is miles ahead

[@limt05]

I was surprised to finally find someone mentioning Turkish; close neighbors with expansion in mind and population and tourism variety to sustain

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

​@@limt05Turkish Airlines is horrible for customer service, cabin crew and flight comfort. Picked them over Emirates to fly to Rome in 2023, it's a mistake I'm not making again.

[@sorosaltgaming]

"Boeing and Airbus will bend over according to their needs" I think that came out wrong...

[@onthisrock1970]

I suspect most travellers would prefer to stopover in Dubai than India although it’s mostly a pricing decision and so if via India was considerably cheaper I don’t think most travellers would be too bothered not going via Dubai

[@urldroidsuperbot2139]

Emirates and Qatar Airways have built their reputation among Indian travellers going to Europe and North America as well as Africa for last three decades. They have excellent planes, new and refurbished and frequently replaced fleet, awesome national hubs (airport) and fly to nearly 200 destinations from their home bases. Basically Indians can go anywhere in the world with one hop. Air India has ruined its reputation being a government company for many decades and getting progressively worse in the last two decades to the disgust of well travelled Indians who can compare their services with others. Even after takeover, it takes a long time to replace all staff, particularly in India, renew the fleet, lounges, and image. For Air India to be tremendously successful, a very tough task, nearly impossible, will take another 10 years. Nobody can predict what the world will look like in 10 years from now.

[@d_mosimann]

Emirates and Qatar aren't at risk at all in my opinion. Competition? There is none. They cater for the service and amenities oriented passengers while almost every other airline is reducing service. The future competition mentionned in this video (Indigo, Air India, Vistara and Ryadh Air) can be happily ignored. India and its companies are not known for good customer service and premium products. This bad reputation has been consequently built for the past 5 decades. People won't forget that. And Ryadh Air faces even 2 problems: Passengers might think Ryadh Air will be something like Saudia 2.0. - Nobody (except muslims) would EVER fly Saudia, so international passengers will avoid Ryadh Air for the same reason, even if they're actually different than Saudia - which I kinda doubt. And the second problem, who is their new CEO? The former Etihad CEO. What did he do with that airline? He brought it down from a quite respectable airline to a very bare bone, cutting services and amenities all over. Only Oman Air is worse yet. But besides them, Etihad now only caters for passengers that want a cheap flight and no service. So, Ryadh Air's prospective is not very promising when it comes to service and premium experience. In the Middle East there is just no competition that can be taken seriously. So, European passengers who flew to Asia with Emirates and Qatar in the past will also do it in the future.

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

Etihad is not even that cheap compared to Emirates

[@skyeye787]

Trust me when I say this people will pay extra to avoid a layover in India or flying on Air India. There are fundamental missteps in India when it comes to tourism and safety while places like Dubai and Doha have it figured out, I’ll give Air India and the country of India at most 50 years but still I have no hopes that they’ll every surpass the middle Eastern 3

[@jamesau4296]

Can disagree with the Ultra-long-haul plane argument. the A350ULR still cost more to run per mile even if they are more cost-effective than 777-200LR or A340-500, so eventually only Business travellers afford the premium. Plus, few big cities can attract that demand to support ULR (London, LA, New York) operation. so there will still be lots of niche route (Australia to Denmark, for example) for Emirates to fill.

[@ultralegendarybeast101]

I don't know how Etihad Airways is being affected. Etihad is also another Middle Eastern Giant based out of Abu Dhabi

[@daveabela8297]

Excellent commentary on the state of affairs in the middle east airline industry!

[@mateimatei2074]

Emirates didn't order the 787-9. FlyDubai did. Emirates ordered the -8 and the -10.

[@JA-ui3gg]

I recently flew Emirates for the first time after a friend said it was an amazing airline to fly. I have to say I didn’t experience anything I would call amazing. The aircraft was less than half full which was the biggest surprise, as a regular international traveller, I don’t recall being in anything but full cabins.

[@bodigames]

Emirates is only amazing because of the common use of A380 aircraft’s. Emirates dominates it. It’s the best plane on the market.

[@kirtanpatelr]

Alternative headlines: 1. Airbus and Boeing are poised to be busy with all the new orders 2. Competition in the market means low fares for customers.

[@lnlnyc]

Turkish Airlines is a huge threat to both. Turkey already has bustling trade & tourism plus a new modern airport, so it’s way ahead of the middle east as a destination plus a transit hub.

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

On connections and strategic location Istanbul Airport and Turkish do compete head-on with Dubai and Emirates. On quality of service and comfort of flying/transiting through the airport... just no, they are light years behind.

[@perolavlien2096]

Riyadh Air really? A ten hours flight without any alcohol? Not this guy..I don't think Emirates is at risk at all because passengers love the A380.

[@abdulmohsencontent2590]

There are more things than alcohol to consider bro! Are you even series?

[@Secretlyanothername]

Get help. You might consider talking to a therapist about your alcohol problem. Have you considered BetterHelp?

[@technewseveryweek8332]

You know Dubai is a diversified economy more reliant on services and tourism than oil right? And Qatar doesn't have oil, but natural gas.

[@federicogaraventa2004]

I will never, ever fly on a plane which maintenance is India based. India Air Force uses to lose as many first line combat airplanes in peace time as a western force in wartime, just due to lack of training and maintenance. They lost kinda 200 (twohundreds) fighters (and crews) over last 20 years and being systematically lying, probably real figures are even higher. Rather than flying India, I'd take a ship to Australia...

[@ruchirtewari884]

What are you smoking man?

[@rajeshranjan5170]

did you search aviation safety ranking by country for the last 10 years ?

[@federicogaraventa2004]

@@rajeshranjan5170 I am pilot, I happen to check stuff about aviation quite often

[@afb2]

Correction, the 787-9 is the only version of the 787 that Emirates has not ordered. 20 -8s and 15 -10s.

[@TwoAussieAvgeeks]

Far too many unsubstantiated assumptions made to back a hypothesis you clearly wanted to be true. Not saying QR and EK won’t face challenges however their situation and that of PanAm and TWA are worlds apart. Usually love your videos but found this one challenging. On another note, we hope you enjoy your holiday and best wishes finding your balance. It’s very important to look after yourself.

[@stephenharris8579]

I met a traveller from an antique land, Who said-“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand, Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed; And on the pedestal, these words appear: My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

[@howardshepherdson2925]

Really interesting Coby, I hadn't taken on board many of the points you made. Thanks.

[@christopherjared1277]

People often miss the main reason for the initial growth of Dubai is the inept government in India. Indian firms set up "offshore" businesses in Dubai to get around the Indian government. This will not change substantially. Of course I hope for India to improve, it is still highly unlikely. Life in Dubai can only get better for more and more Indians. That said, I agree with your conclusion 100%. The competition is going to be fierce. There is also Turkish Airlines in the mix. The end result can already be seen in North America. High levels of price competition put a break on luxury, especially in cattle class. For short flights around the Middle East and South Asia, nobody will care.

[@frankpinmtl]

You forgot to talk about slot restrictions into Europe. Any new entrant is going to have trouble expanding

[@vonblunder]

"Fuel consumption increases exponentially with distance"? I'm going to call BS on that one. Take off and climbing are likely the time when a plane uses the most fuel, so the longest the flight, the less fuel per kilometer... Or prove me wrong...

[@valiantvanadium6996]

the breason is you have to take off with full tanks. so use lots of fuel just getting the fuel in the air when you stop half way, you dont need use fuel to lift so much fuel in the air

[@Hamzaplayz-jw8ps]

I don't know what you are on about but, Qatar Airways has been dominating the aviation market for years, they have thousands and thousands of loyal customers which will only fly Qatar Airways, I don't see either of them collapse in the near future, considering how hard Covid 19 hit the aviation market, Qatar Airways still stood as a solid carrier even during that time, so I'm not sure how you see "a end" for the two carriers. They are both also huge transit hubs, so really I don't see either of them collapse.

[@maverikmiller6746]

3:44 I am quite sure it is the exact opposite. Because as you fly you burn of fuel, means you are lighter, means you need less power to stay aloft, means you burn LESS. If I am wrong I would be happy to be directed to some kind of source to learn the facts. Thank you.

[@antjee]

Very bold vlog title - why not if you can substantiate it, but the arguments are really weak. The Saudis can't even get their oil out of the ground without foreign help, how will they run a successful airline that not only caters to pilgrims? As for Air India, it is not enough to order 300 planes, you need a good infrastructure, good crews and management. All of this takes time to built. 0:15

[@TysonIke]

how did you make this whole video without mentioning their real threat. Turkish Airlines. Turkish has a far more resilient network as they serve many more destinations with more narrobodies. Also another key detail forgotten is that the gulf carriers benefit immensely from Russian airspace restrictions and the future of that is very uncertain

[@bronze5420]

India is too far from North America to benefit from geography in that market, nor does India benefit from cheap fuel. Also, like it or not, premium international flyers will choose the option that doesn't put them on a plane full of Indians. Also due to border tensions in the Himalayas, direct flights between India and China have not existed for over 4 years. The countries with the big Middle Eastern airlines recognize the benefits of relative geopolitical neutrality, and their airlines will face less airspace restrictions than more other airlines as a result.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

Air India flies over North Pole to Toronto, for instance

[@mg.f.9023]

The whole world is dashing to get a piece of business in India. It is the biggest growth story in coming decade. Not convenient to do business in India by sitting in the Gulf states, yea?

[@philiptownsend1249]

I live in Indonesia so I take longhaul flights a lot. Both Emirates and particularly Qatar have superb inflight service in Business Class. The bar at the back of the A380 is a nice touch on both. Now, inflight service is important but I really don't like changing planes at DXB or DOH in the small hours on the morning in congested terminals which can also involve literally a 1 mile walk to a connecting gate. So as much as I appreciate the superb service, I still prefer a non-stop flight. Most of the Asian carriers offer excellent in-flight service so non-stops out of SIN, HKG, KUL or BKK to Europe are still my preferred choice. A 13 hour longhaul allows time to eat, watch a movie and still get a decent sleep which, if timed properly, can also eliminate jet lag on the East bound journey. I see these issues above as being the biggest threat to Emirates and Qatar as more efficient aircraft allow for more profitable longhaul non-stop routes at a greater frequency.

[@mnewm21]

I don't see any immediate issues for the middle east airlines other than political instability in the countries around them. Air India has a long way to go before it is the same class of airline as a Qatar or Emirates or Etihad. I would guess decades as they will need to build brand, reliability and customer service and consistently meet the expectations over time. I have flown them recently and they are a long way away. The other major carrier Indigo is currently not even trying to compete in that space. I think the Indian airlines will find they will have to concentrate on their domestic and regional growth anyway. This is going to be their big money earners.

[@magnustan841]

Why do I feel this is a re-upload? Anyway, I don’t think Qatar and Emirates have too much to worry about, they’ve built strong brand identities and Riyadh Air is very much focused on the point-to-point market, as a way to connect Riyadh and Saudi to the world as Saudi Arabia itself starts to develop its tourism sector. The biggest threat still remains a resurgent Air India, because I think that’s the biggest market for the gulf super connectors by far. Also, other smaller players like Gulf Air and Oman Air, which could seriously give them a run for their money in terms of price point and service.

[@davidsavage6227]

Given the vast population in India, I think it will be a long time before Indian carriers will move in on the middle eastern carriers. By the time Indian carriers evolve their service to match middle eastern airlines, the middle eastern airlines and their home cities will have evolved well beyond what we see today.

[@coolmasterztv3088]

Emirates was once a proud and outstanding airline, but I believe in 2022, it faced a downhill. It never got a first place in a while now. After flying with Qatar Airways in 2017, it took away my interest of flying with Emirates. I flew with Emirates in February 2024, and they mistreated me. I was yelled and food poisoned on the airline itself and the cabin was very cold. They were racist to Indians like me. I can see Emirates is declining year over year. I would stick with flying with Etihad Airways or Qatar Airways. Maybe even Lufthansa Airlines.

[@Fizzy-1576]

Turkish Airlines also worth mentioning also no mentioning of plane lead times

[@arunkhan4951]

I have flown Emirates quite a few times US > Dubai > Mumbai. Their service and ontime is great. However they have kept increasing the ticket price ever so slowly that its no longer a viable option. In all my transit through Dubai majority of the passengers are of Indian origin. So I don't agree that Dubai is serving as hub for Europeans to the far east and AU. IMHO, Qatar ground service is vey poor. They code share with other carriers to "increase" their global reach BUT there's little communication between Qatar and the code share carrier for connections through Doha. At Doha airport you are on your own. Tetminal C, I couldn't find a single transfer desk to help with my boarding pass for my onward journey from Doha to Mumbai (Indigo). I am not flying Qatar airways even if they give a heavily discounted ticket because of the hassles you face with transfer to code share carriers. Air India has the potential to grab a goid chunk of the Indian Diaspora market but right now they are not equipped to compete. Only time will tell.

[@DontSpamMe-s6m]

You didn’t mention Turkish which is developing a hub at Istanbul

[@jug97]

Indigo already placed a firm order for A350s they did so in March

[@robincoleman1350]

Cannot see Mumbai becoming a stopover destination.

[@danrogy]

I feel so bad for KZbin content creators. Those algorithms are brutal.

[@Gurveer9600]

IndiGo ordered 30, not 20 359s, with options for 70 more

[@craigos5674]

qatar are coming out with lots of deals for travel industry employees. This way they might be able to fill aircraft with low yielding pax. It's funny how many think unless an aircraft is full, the airline can't be doing well. Think about it in these very simple terms, most airlines would rather have a 1/2 full aircraft @ $2000/seat than full @ $1000/seat

[@SnurX]

They are getting to expensive too. A few years ago, they were always slightly cheaper with a way better product. This standpoint is slowly changing. Qatar still flys besides Q-Suite outdated cabins, and Emirates cabins are falling behind too. Plus their fares are getting higher and higher. And European Carriers are picking up product wise.

[@imadhanna]

Qatar does not have much oil… they’re a natural gas producer!