"Nearly" Tubeless OUTEX Coversion, Honda XL750 Transalp (2024)

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@DragoniteMotoJP 4 ай бұрын

See the description for tools and the supplies. NOTE: After seeing the video, OUTEX felt they should only uphold 50% of their promised refund. This is because the rear worked perfectly, however, the front was leaking a 4:52 and then it became worse at 8:55. Because of using silicone, which is not part of the OUTEX kit, at 10:15 well after the multiple occurrences of the OUTEX system leaking, they will only cover the rear instalation, not the front. OUTEX now believes, after having re-watched the video, the reason for the leaks on the front is due to my application of the tape not being installed straight. I.E. I have installed it incorrectly. I am not suggesting you, the view, should or should not use outex. I am only being fully transparent with my experience with both the product and the company. 6,500 km and the rear is still trouble free.

@Pathrider 16 күн бұрын

I did the Outex conversion twice on my 2016 Africa Twin, and both the front and back held air better than tubes both times. Why twice? Well, the spokes on the 2016 AT were prone to rotting, so I was offered a new set of 2018 wheels with stainless spokes on warranty. That meant I had to redo the Outex. That of course means that my dealer got me the replacement wheels even though I had the Outex kit fitted. I guess they could have denied my claim because of that, I don't know. Anyway, I found that with the front especially an assistant holding the wheel giving a bit of resistance meant the tape would go on straight and it could stretch a little thereby sinking into the well a bit better. I thought it was a fantastic improvement.

@DragoniteMotoJP 16 күн бұрын

@Pathrider honda is very good with warranties, thats why people trust them over other brands. The front didn't stick at all, it was coming off right away. Your approach sounds good, but at 1/5th the price, the 3m I used in the other video is working perfectly with the rim strap and I don't much like the outex company on a matter of honesty.

@hawgietonight 2 ай бұрын

As a former bicycle mechanic I have done many "tubeless conversions" to the smaller two wheeled cousins, and in my experience I wouldn't trust any "conversion" in the long run. Especially on vehicles capable of reaching high speeds. The inherit variance in applying these kits means sometimes it can go well, but not always. Even when the kit comes installed from the manufacturer (typical on high-end mtb wheels) I have seen them fail. There was a standard called UST for bicycle rims and matching tires and it was great. It used a solid (no holes drilled) rim on the inside to make it airtight. And the rim lip had a square seal. Sadly it didn't catch on. I never saw any abnormal issues with these setups. In short... for tubeless to work well and not have to mess with it or risk a tire folding in, you need a airtight inner rim with just a hole for the stem. This is something that was figured out long ago. No need to reinvent the wheel!

@DragoniteMotoJP 2 ай бұрын

@hawgietonight yes, but you also see people doing these conversations and getting over the 100,000km mark trou le free. The set up I did to the front is even more perfect than this. But you are correct, nothing is a sure as a solid rim. That said, this $100 mod vs $1500 wheels, I'll see how far this takes me. I have 2 free tow-truck rides per year, and if I bed a rim I'll go for replacing the whole setup with after truly sealed rims. Kineo if I have the money, vmx if it's tight.

@KikoBW7 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for showing us the whole process, it was really informative! I want to do the conversion with 3M 4200 or 5200 on my Africa Twin, just waiting until I need to change the tires, so it’s all done at once. I would never go the stickers and tape route because there are so many cases on youtube and forums of such systems failing, so I don’t trust them. OUTEX deciding to give you only partial refund really says a lot about the brand.

@DragoniteMotoJP 4 ай бұрын

@KikoBW7 I did the 4200 seal today on my front wheel. Video in a week or 2. Yes, wait to do tire changes at the same time. Taking the same tire on and off so much I damaged the bead. No beyond repair, but just an added headache

@KikoBW7 3 ай бұрын

@@DragoniteMotoJP great, I’ve only read, but never seen a video of anyone actually applying the 4200. Looking forward to see your video and results! Best regards.

@RedRupert64 2 ай бұрын

@@KikoBW7 This is not a good solution, as moisture gets trapped by the silicone sealant and causes corrosion. Also, the layer of silicone makes changing tyres a fair bit more difficult, as it partially fills the valley in which the tyre needs to drop into while fitting and removing tyres. Also, if the seal fails, there is no practical way to make a repair while on the road, therefore it's necessary to carry a spare tube, or two, and tools, which defeats several of the benefits of having tubeless wheels. The best solution is to fit proper tubeless wheels, it's fairly expensive, but the best way.

@HaggisPower 3 ай бұрын

Yep, I could see you struggle laying down both tapes on the front, it wandered all over. I've had a lot of experience with tubeless tapes on mtb rims, so I thought I knew what I was getting into with the Outex installation. What I learnt was you get one shot at getting it right with the tapes, you CANNOT reposition so you have to be extremely patient and extremely accurate. Just the right amount of tension on the tape helps, so having someone else to hold the wheel on a piece of carpet can be useful. My install took about 5hrs including deburring the nipples and cleaning rim with acetone then IPA (don't need to sand anything if the rim is super clean). I've done 25,000km on my kit in the last 3yrs on three sets of tyres. Holds air very well (loses 1-2psi/month), and I don't have to worry about tubes blowing out, which can be fairly disastrous.

@DragoniteMotoJP 3 ай бұрын

@HaggisPower rear is perfect. The front overlaps wotht he bead, maybe something special with this rim. But I've redone it with 3m sealer. That video comes soon, tubeless is way better

@HaggisPower 3 ай бұрын

@@DragoniteMotoJP Yes, maybe the spoke drilling is to too close to the edges of the spoke bed on the front rim...

@tremorflow3614 3 ай бұрын

Great Video!

@ricecrash5225 22 күн бұрын

I am also a cyclist, we have tubeless spoke rims on Mountain bikes, road bikes that work perfectly. Why can’t it be done on motorcycles?

@DragoniteMotoJP 22 күн бұрын

@@ricecrash5225 it can, as I did. But the big difference from bicycle to motorcycle is weight, power, speed, and all that adding up to heat

@JacksonGolz 4 ай бұрын

Any chance you could list the tools you used for the tyre change (stands also) been looking at getting a setup for all that myself and any recs would be greatly appreciated :D

@DragoniteMotoJP 4 ай бұрын

@JacksonGolz I bought all a long time ago. Just the cheap options off amazon

@cliftonsr 3 ай бұрын

Aren’t those tube type tires though?

@DragoniteMotoJP 3 ай бұрын

Yes, the rear helped are fine. The front would if not for the damaged. But that's why I say in the video "at your own risk"

@jamescatlover123 13 күн бұрын

Why dont u add sealant?

@DragoniteMotoJP 13 күн бұрын

I don't see how it would help beyond making a mess. Oem tubeless wheels don't use sealent. That's more a bicycle thing. Motorcycles have a lot more heat and pressure so it may not hold up or help at all

@jamescatlover123 3 күн бұрын

@@DragoniteMotoJP I use sealant in my motorcycles

@michaelburnhill123 3 ай бұрын

Maybe check all spokes are tight before applying tape. It could be that one spoke was slightly loose causing leak.

@DragoniteMotoJP 3 ай бұрын

@michaelburnhill123 no it couldn't. If the edges of the tape are fitted then a loose or tight spoke won't leak. The tape wasn't sticky when I pulled it off

@tonyjourneyman1944 3 ай бұрын

I think I'll stick with the tubes for now.

@DragoniteMotoJP 3 ай бұрын

@@tonyjourneyman1944 front wheel, I would have been happy too. Rear wheel, I can feel the weight loss

@bluevalkyrie2517 18 күн бұрын

Flats are much more common in the rear tires. replacing just the the rear rim with tubeless would be a good idea.

@DragoniteMotoJP 18 күн бұрын

Good enough until it's the front. My last flat was front

@majormassenspektrometer 18 күн бұрын

That's nice but I wouldn't trust it on my own bike. I bought aluminium rims for my Tenere that don't require tubes anymore and it's way cleaner than this solution.

@DragoniteMotoJP 18 күн бұрын

This was less than 100$, the cheapest Chinese wheels at 1,500$ before shipping and tax. But if I had that kind of money, yes, you are right.

@majormassenspektrometer 18 күн бұрын

@@DragoniteMotoJP Yeah well 1500 Dollaros for the rims I bought would have been nice... looool

@DragoniteMotoJP 18 күн бұрын

@majormassenspektrometer I know that keneo wheels are something like 4k. If money was not an issue and I was biulding a "forever bike" od get those.

@RedRupert64 2 ай бұрын

No way. In time, moisture will get past the nipples and weaken the adhesive. The trapped moisture will also cause corrosion. The Transalp is a relatively inexpensive bike, but really they should have fitted it with tubeless wheels. Especially as it's an adventure bike. I understand that Honda may want to keep a price and specification gap between that bike and the Africa Twin, but still.

@DragoniteMotoJP 2 ай бұрын

@RedRupert64 only time will tell. But so far no issues. The air pressure did a good job squeezing the tape into the niple. Some people do have long term corrosion but no more than you'd get with tubes. But I don't trust it, you can see my 3m approach to the front and I'm far more happy with that. If it fails, there is always vmx for a bit of a premium.

@jutjub22 2 ай бұрын

Honda shoudl offer cast/alu wheels, some design like on the CB500X

@DragoniteMotoJP 2 ай бұрын

@@jutjub22 tubeless, yes. Cast, better for the street, not as good on the dirt

@jutjub22 2 ай бұрын

@@DragoniteMotoJP yes, but strong cast take a lot of beating too, like the ones on cb500x 19-22, almost impossible to bend. Fine enough for medium off road, hard hits etc...especially with longer travel like on the Transalp.

@DragoniteMotoJP 2 ай бұрын

@jutjub22 for my riding yes, I'd prefer cast 19-17. But that would hurt sales for most. Image is everything

@droflivelife 3 ай бұрын

Can you still put a tube in?

@DragoniteMotoJP 3 ай бұрын

@@droflivelife yes, but the heat and friction would ruin the tape

@jutjub22 2 ай бұрын

This is so dangerous, especially since front tire does not seem safe. I would not do this without some tire pressure sensors and constantly checking it. Crash can happen easily if you lose front.

@DragoniteMotoJP 2 ай бұрын

@jutjub22 See the video where I use 3m for the front. The rear is fine, it won't burst Anymore more than a tube would, it would at most be a slow leak. I check my pressure every week or 2 as I do on my cast wheel bikes. So far, there is a 0% pressure loss on the rear or 3m front

@jutjub22 2 ай бұрын

@@DragoniteMotoJP thanks. That sounds good then.... but VMX look so good. I bought CB500X just because of tubes. Maybe it is time for Transalp. 🙂 But CB500X is so handy.

@DragoniteMotoJP 2 ай бұрын

@jutjub22 both great bikes. If you smile in the sattle, you'll be fine on the cb😁

@jutjub22 2 ай бұрын

@@DragoniteMotoJP yes, cb500x is do agile and fun. Did close to 30K km since '23.

@DragoniteMotoJP 2 ай бұрын

@jutjub22 it's still a 400 in japan. That's the device for big and small license. So all 500s are sleeved down to 400. I'm sure the 500 would be great