Need for Messengers - Argument from Fitrah | The Evidence Course | Session 4 / Part 1

Session 4 Part 1
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[@ThoughtAdventurePodcast]

Reminder this is session four of five in total. The first session had a number of videos dealing with epistemology and way to belief. The second session looked at particular core arguments for belief in one creator. The third session dealt with some of the key contentions against the arguments presented for the existence of God. The fourth session currently airing deals with the Need for Messengers. In essence responding to deistic claims. The fifth session deals with the concept of miracles and the Quran as a linguistic miracle from the creator.

[@TheThe7oaks]

Can we expect more episodes on the linguistic miracle of the Quran 🤗

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[@rafique1539]

If there is Indonesian translation, this stream can reach the largest muslim population country..

[@SawarimHaqq]

Salam. Can you please bring Asadullah Ali sometime to discuss his argument from fitrah? Jzkum Allah khair

[@quranchannel4622]

I like his approach mashaALLAH.

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[@amalia512]

MashaAllah Tabarakallah

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Subhan'Allah, when we lose all hope, our natural inclination is to call out instinctively to our creator, Allah._*

[@homtanks7259]

Jazakallahu khairan

[@osamak123]

JazakAllahu khairan

[@Tsuroproduction]

Is it right to say that previous arguments were rational, and this argument is empirical? Because we need some empirical data about human behaviour to compose argument from fitra.

[@ThoughtAdventurePodcast]

This argument isn’t to prove the existence of God but rather to move from a deistic conception to a theistic one. The key point that underlines deism is that deists believe that revelation shouldn’t be expected from the creator. Here is an argument that says that a creator who intentionally created humans and all contingent beings did so with humans having an attribute that seeks out to form a relationship with the divine. How we came to this conclusion that humans have this innate attribute to worship/revere/sanctify was through empirical observation of the human condition throughout different times and locations.

[@yellowpetelol6417]

11:34 - 12:06 Isn't that a good reason to think that finding ourselves believing in certain things in time of need doesn't really point to those things actually being real or efficacious? That it's more of a psychological crutch than anything else?

[@Oneummahgeneration]

The fourth session is a discussion around the need for messengers. Ie would we expect revelation from god or is god simply deistic. Therefore the other sessions addresses whether it’s rational and reasonable to believe in God. If then it’s established that God created all contingent beings. Then the various attributes that exist within creation are ultimately caused by god. That means if we have an innate desire to worship then this is not an incidental attribute but rather something ultimately caused by God. If then that’s the case it would be rational to assume the reason for this attribute in humans was so that humans seek out a relationship with god. If that’s the case then God would tell us how to form that relationship and thus we’d expect a message or communication from god. That’s the main gist of the argument from the above vid

[@iswallbanoo9843]

Salaam only one God and it's Allah love here from South Africa Johannesburg pray 5 time a day

[@VandalIO]

Who’s winning

[@ayoubtalib4782]

Just semantics here, but the title could also be “Argument FOR Fitrah” or “Argument ‘in defense of’ Fitrah”, coz most of those who don’t believe in God would dismiss it as merely something that is irrational.

[@ThoughtAdventurePodcast]

The original title was “The Need for Messengers: Argument from Fitrah” when the course first ran as this was session four in which the course in this session seeks to discuss why we should expect revelation or a message from our creator.

[@northernlight8857]

These was really bad points.

[@billionburns]

Is there anything good in Islam from your point of view?

[@northernlight8857]

@@billionburns there is many good things. Community, helping the less fortunate and fasting to think of the poor to mention a few things.

[@Oneummahgeneration]

What are the points being made ?

[@billionburns]

@@northernlight8857 And you watched the whole video where Sharif mentioned many studies which are supporting the point that worship is something innate?

[@northernlight8857]

@@billionburns just to give you one example on what i talk about that is factually wrong. There is no atheists in foxholes/trenches. That is demonstrably wrong and has been debunked so many times. There are many atheists that have fought in wars without having to sort to any kind of superstitions.

[@younessama]

Oh wait, What is fitrah! You need to learn Arabic to understand the meaning sorry bro that's just how the necessary being want things to roll! What a joke...

[@Alb0z32]

it means natural disposition. and you dont need to learn arabic to know what fitrah is, you can know its meaning just from two clicks on google. Plus it seems that you are an arab. Dont be an ignorant person

[@Alb0z32]

@@chabotwhiteverse oh sorry my bad brother. Its just that based on what some people have commented here, i wouldnt be surprised if one unironically said that hahahah

[@chabotwhiteverse]

@@Alb0z32 I know what you mean...

[@Oneummahgeneration]

The video explains the term fitra which he describes as innate disposition and then he goes into more detail to explain that there is an innate disposition to want to worship and revere something that they perceive transcends the material.

[@billionburns]

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