Need for Speed Carbon (GameCube vs Wii) Gameplay Comparison

[@wizzgamer]

Wii version looks sharper with higher resolution textures.

[@legoclayface]

Those textures on Wii are almost HD quality!

[@Xydako]

I wouldn't be surprised if only the Wii version supports 480p.

[@legoclayface]

@@Xydako All versions (except PS2) do.

[@Xydako]

@@legoclayface ah, looking at the full list now, I forgot how many GameCube games had native progressive scan. Tbf barely anyone could buy official component cables so it’s easy to forget

[@wizzgamer]

@@Xydako Here in the UK we didn't get 480p on GameCube games till the Wii came out as for some bizarre reason Nintendo removed progressive scan from Pal systems possibly due to us having RGB scart.

[@gravious]

the textures are better on wii, the image seems to have better contrast and there is more geometry in the trackside objects and scenery

[@carloscuello8814]

Wii is more powerful than Gamecube, but all NFS games on gamecube were quickports poorly optmized. GCN could had handled visuals on Wii version level...And Wii version itself could have looked a little bit better. EA could had taken more advantage of a console capable of doing games like Star Wars Rogue Squadron, Metroid Prime and RE 4.

[@volkte37]

Disc storage was a big issue at the time. Otherwise,yeah, GC was powerful

[@carloscuello8814]

@@volkte37 wasnt nowhere as big as N64 vs PS1 era, in which cartridges has like more than 100 times less starage capability than cd rom. But yes, with quickports like this is possible EA wouldnt like to invest on proper compression tech or 2 discs games....

[@volkte37]

@@carloscuello8814 it wasn't you're right. I wonder if the quality of compression techniques were available in 2003?

[@carloscuello8814]

@@volkte37 Carbon is from 2006, and GCN disc are 1,4 GB vs DVD 4,7 GB from regular DVD....But, for example NFS Carbon on PS2 and OG Xbox is less than 2.5 GB (Don´t know why on Wii it´s around 3.5 GB)...I mean with enough will (and money) they could had made it fit on a single GCN disc without visual sacrifices...But probably made no sense for EA, because carbon woulnt sell as much on GCN to justify the effort.

[@jhkuno88]

Lmao, you dont know what youre talking about

[@DiabolicalSituation]

I played both versions and I would make a list of differences I've notice 1: The Wii has higher resolution textures obviously (but also a gritty texture on top of surfaces giving the textures a lot more detail) 2: The Wii version is darker compared to the GameCube version 3: The Wii version has the rain effect with the road reflections unlike the GameCube version 4: The car reflections in the GameCube version are misaligned from the world on the Far camera which is weird unlike the Wii version (You can see this in the video) 5: the mirror in the GameCube version sucks, you can't even see the cars because it's super pixelated unlike the Wii version. 6: The Wii has a trail effect which you can see on the street lamps unlike the GameCube 7: The camera on the Wii version is more "stiff" and it doesn't want to show you the side of the car no matter how hard you turn (probably why the car handling looks more sensitive) unlike the GameCube, but the camera in the GameCube is slightly farther away unlike all other versions. 8: The Wii version blurs out when the game pauses. 9: The Wii version has the canyon introduction cutscenes unlike the GameCube version. 10: The Wii version has traffic in pursuits (sometimes they disappear for a while for some reason) unlike the GameCube version, but the Wii version doesn't have traffic in races or check points which is weird as the Wii version can run fine in a race & pursuit unlike the GameCube which lags heavily 11: Despite the GameCube controller having way more buttons than the Wii remote, for some reason you cannot look behind despite the fact that the down d-pad could had been used to look behind, and yet you can look behind in the Wii version by holding B + right d-pad 12: The ai car headlamps are more visible in the GameCube version unlike the Wii version meaning that you can see the opponents or police headlights behind you without looking back. 13: The Wii version has an "oversteer" button (hold A) which "increases your steering input" which means it makes your handling more sensitive, so it's pretty much speed breaker without the slow motion which is helpful for canyons as you can't use the speed breaker effect just in case you loose control of your car. 14: The Wii steering controls aren't bad, you are. (The GameCube controls are better for drifting though because of the analog triggers for accelerating)

[@weldum1]

It is interesting to think that both the Nintendo 64 and the GameCube suffered from storage, but were extremely capable machines the N64 had less of an impact because of the high speed of the cartridges

[@DDRmails]

yeahm its sad.. literally cut the wings just for winnin 3-4 seconds..

[@carloscuello8814]

Storage capacity has nothing to do with the less quality visuals of this ports. Most of EA games on GCN were quickports, specially the NFS ones, which looked worst than even PS2 versions. And also, Mini DVD allowed GCN to have quicker load times and the starage capability difference on GCN format (1.5 GB) vs regular DVD (up to 4,7 GB) wasn´t that big than the gap between n64 cartridge (up to 64 MB, but normally even less than 16 MB) vs CD ROM (Up 700 MB)...And finally, most multiplattform games from that era on PS2 and Xbox normally didnt used whole DVD storage (normally didnt surpassed 2 GB).

[@WWammyy]

@@carloscuello8814 Storage has everything to do with less visual quality of ports even the PS2 version of need for speed carbon sits at 3.61gb decompressed. The higher storage you have the better quality textures you can store its very simple

[@iwanttocomplain]

@@carloscuello8814 That's good research. The Yamaha-developed Gigabyte disc (GD-ROM) holds 1.2GB of data on a standard cd-rom by making the pits more dense, slowing down the disc speed by about half but still reading at the same rate and doubling the capacity. So standard (cheap) cd-rom components are used in the super noisy drive. That's saving's for the customer in a generation of all DVD consoles, it's still 20% less data than the GCN discs. But people weren't buying consoles because they wanted a DVD player. The games didn't need 4.5GB either. The 1GB DC games were all fit into 700MB standard cd's by cracking groups by lowering the quality of fmv's, textures and sound. With the exception of Shenmue 2, which is frankly hobbled by the GD-ROM format.

[@iwanttocomplain]

​@@carloscuello8814 Yes storage capacity is overstated and the importance of the DVD in the 6th generation. The Dreamcast GD-ROM holds 1.4GB of data by halving the speed of the disc whilst reading at the speed to double the capacity. Sega could have used double sided cd's which are still cheaper than dvd's to acheive 2.4GB. Without fmv's, these games generally fit into 700MB.

[@jhkuno88]

7:38 and 13:00 GC has more shading reflection effects

[@brunotheodoro1219]

Gotta love the start of the 21st century, such great media, mainly when it's about games

[@MoonSarito]

The Game Cube had much superior hardware to the PS2 and not so far from the Wii, but the disk space limited the console a lot, you can see that they had to drastically reduce the quality of the game's textures for it to fit on the GC disk.

[@Ioannis.Stf.1996]

It was more powerful but not “much” more powerful. Besides PS2 was more powerful in other ways than the GameCube. Sure the GameCube had a more powerful GPU/CPU. But PS2 had more RAM and SIGNIFICANTLY!!! higher memory bandwidth (even compared to the Xbox) there is a reason why screen effects often looked best on PS2 compared to every single other platform (even PC) Just look at the Fog in Silent Hill 2 or the Rain in MGS2, PS2 destroyed the Xbox in both games.

[@MoonSarito]

@@Ioannis.Stf.1996 Actually, No. The PS2 was very weak compared to other consoles of its generation. Its CPU ran at just 294 MHz (which wasn't that different from the Dreamcast which ran at 200 MHz) while the Game Cube ran at 485 MHz, not to mention that the Game Cube even had a better GPU, higher bandwidth, more support for shaders, higher GFlops etc... and no it didn't have more RAM, the Game Cube had a 24 MB 1T-SRAM along with 16 MB of DRAM and 3 MB of VRAM while the PS2 had only while the PS2 had 32 MB of RDRAM and 4 MB of VRAM eDRAM. The PS2 literally lost to the Game Cube (and Xbox) in every hardware aspect, it even lost to the Dreamcast at some points. (the Dreamcast had twice the VRAM and a better resolution quality on most games in addition to VGA support) By the way, Need for Speed: Carbon runs at 480p on all platforms with the exception of the PS2 which only runs at 480i.

[@Lisp-8701]

O ps2 tinha 32 MB de ram,o GameCube tinha 64mb de ram,como o ps2 tinha mais memória?fora que o processador do GameCube era bem mais eficiente do que o emotion engine do ps2

[@MoonSarito]

@@Ioannis.Stf.1996 PS2 doesn't have more RAM than the Game Cube, where did you get that info ? The Game Cube has 24 MB of 1T-SRAM and 16 MB of VRAM (plus 3 MB of embedded 1T-SRAM) while the PS2 has 32 MB of RDRAM and only 4 MB of VRAM, heck... even the Dreamcast has it plus VRAM having 8 MB of VRAM. Funfact: Need for Speed ​​Carbon runs at 480p on all consoles except the PS2, it was very weak and suffered a lot when it came to resolution, even compared to the Dreamcast, which in some multiplatform games had much better resolution and textures than the PS2.

[@MoonSarito]

@@Lisp-8701 É engraçado que o PS2 tinha até mesmo menos VRAM que o Dreamcast ( o PS2 tinha 4 MB de VRAM e o Dreamcast tinha 8 MB de VRAM ) inclusive é até um dos motivos pela qual boa parte dos jogos multiplataforma entre o PS2 e DC, o Dreamcast geralmente levava vantagem em resolução e qualidade de texturas.

[@santitabnavascues8673]

GC has a brighter colourspace. I like it better, despite the higher quality of Wii assets.

[@packobox1]

The GameCube is better for the controls. The Wii version looks much better, but the controls are so bad.

[@yochithmaster333]

If we compare PS2 and PS3 versions, you'll know that PS3 has better graphics than PS2. But if we compare Gamecube and Wii versions, there is barely if any difference if you don't look at the textures and disk space, since Gamecube and Wii are quite similar, though there might be some difference in effects.

[@faustinuskaryadi6610]

Wii is literally just overclocked Gamecube with more RAM and motion control.

[@alpzepta]

@@faustinuskaryadi6610Wii is just another 6th gen console. Even Original Xbox can do 720P

[@misterniggo7635]

I would expect that wii will only have better textures over gamecube due to storage capacity, but it also got better performance. I would liko to see wii version compared with xbox version, as it would be a better match.

[@roflBeck]

Yup, Wii's have a somewhat higher clock speed and more RAM. This is also noticeable if you play Gamecube games in the homebrew Nintendont, you get better framerate. It's cool!

[@mustangdbest220]

Love the video and the 1440p60 quality

[@SB95-techboy]

Wii basically a overclocked gamecube with better storage capacity

[@jhkuno88]

And Double the RAM (and faster aswell too)

[@EuropaUna]

Surprisingly I see better reflections and lighting on the Game Cube. It's surprising how good this console was in this regard for the time.

[@yetanotheruser1989]

The GameCube was an absolute beast when programmed properly. Very underrated.

[@leontof_75]

wii its basically a "ps2 pro" (hypothetically speaking) and the gamecube a "ps2 fat". I honestly believe that the GameCube could handle running every Wii game inside it if there was a good port for it.

[@irv7ing]

Wii its just a dopped Gamecube.

[@jhkuno88]

The GC looks better in some places....weird....7:39 GC has shading/rrflections......also the headlight effect looks better on the GC with that blueish hue

[@raiders7294]

This looks better on Wii. I don't get why reviewers all scored the Gamecube version higher. Makes no sense.

[@BLKBRDSR71]

It's cause the GC version came first and the Wii looks EXACTLY like the GC version, with MINOR improvements. EA did nothing to improve the game. It's the same game, the same story. Ask your self this, how many times is SEGA going to sell the Genesis Collection with the same content? The point is if nothing has been added, why give a better review score?

[@jean.cruz3d]

you have to play with a nunchuck, very bad

[@raiders7294]

@@jean.cruz3d That's the only control option? No way to play without motion controls?

[@TheFred128]

the game control on the Wii is horrible... and it is not compatible with the Wii Classic controller or with the Game Cube controller​@@raiders7294

[@TheFred128]

​@@raiders7294pause video in 3:06 and look the controller scheme on Wii... horrible

[@octavinadinugroho1446]

the only downside on wii version is the nunchuck and wii remote -_-'

[@TheFred128]

Yes.. horrible.. the NFS undercover is compatible with Wii classic controller.. but NFS carbon no

[@Howwy191]

The video say the wii version is compatible with both classic and gamecube controllers

[@TheFred128]

unfortunately it is not compatible.

[@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim]

the wii controller overlay real time output wasn't animated or what ?

[@michaelwhitacre8499]

I've only ever played this game on original Xbox, 360 and PC. I love seeing the slight differences between the different consoles.

[@qingm7855]

GC seems to have a brighter picture than WII

[@ViciousAlienKlown]

The Wii looks slightly better but the cut scenes are janky on it. The Wii is suppose to be next gen hardware from the Gamecube but looks more like a GameCube Pro.

[@KeyDesh]

What is the best Need for Speed game ?

[@megaigor]

Underground 2

[@KeyDesh]

@@megaigor For me it's "Most Wanted", but it was the only one I played

[@BLKBRDSR71]

Hot Pursuit 2 PS2

[@megaigor]

@@KeyDesh I like the original Most Wanted too

[@celiomardouradosilva2357]

Most wanted 2005

[@hababacon]

Wii has better car model, better textures, punchier look with additional contrast and color saturation. Look at @19:24, looking at the signs on top, smoother gradients on the signs, and sharper textures on the road. Car model is more detailed, and background appears to denser geometry looking at the domes to the top left. Looking at @6:43, license plate is clearer, trees on the left you can see more distinct branches and leaf's. If I had to guess, the Wii is running at 852X480 while the GC is running 640X480. This makes sense seeing the additional clarity in combination with higher res textures. @7:37, might be the best example of higher res textures being used. The truck on the GC is almost completely blurred, N64 quality. A few seconds later @7:40 you can see the higher screen resolution and textures of the Wii version outclassing the blurry N60 GameCube version.

[@R1K4RD39]

Wii has the same framebuffer as GC, so resolution is the same but Wii outputs 16:9 (anamorphic)

[@jhkuno88]

The car models are the same in both versions lol, where are you seeing that? The geometry overall is the same in both games. Stop making up stuff, you tend to do that a lot XD Also the GC version has more shading/reflections effects on the cars as you can see in all pre/post race intros like 13:00....you gave a lot of importance to that bit in the vsPs2 comparison video didnt you?

[@jhkuno88]

The GC is probably rendering at 640x448 or 512x448 or something like that, the aspect ratio is stretched......but the Wii is doing full 640x480 for sure

[@hababacon]

@jhkuno88 They're not the same, Wii model looks s tad fuller. Also the windows appear to be different shading. 16bit produces dithering artifacts, rainbow effects. Low color depth and heavily compressed textures produces blocky and blurry texture appearance. The Wii has better textures than the Xbox version, so I think it's a combination of the Wii having higher textures, and the GC having low res textures. The GC textures looks like the PS2 version when you watch other YTs comparisons. Anamorphic wide screen resolution is 720X480 making it higher res than 640X480. Anamorphic is 3:2 aspect ratio at 720X480 which is a form of wide-screen that can stretch with much distortion. In turns of 852X480, I've seen several videos where Wii games were pixel counted at 852X480. I thought the Wii was 720X480 or 640X480 only until a few years ago.

[@hababacon]

@jhkuno88 M Pro Channel as Wii comparison. Look up Cars off M Pro YT channel. Cars on Wii runs at 852X480. The Simpson game runs 852X480 on the Wii. Toy Story also runs at 852X480 on the Wii. This is why I think Need For Speed is running at this 852X480 resolution. I've see the Wii vs the OG Xbox and it's sharper as well.

[@JohnCharb87]

We have entered the Need For Speed Cinematic Universe. A lot to unpack here. 1. 3:06 I prefer the Gamecube's controll layout with the R Trigger as the Accelerator and B Button as Handbrake. I do like that you put up the incompatibility message for the Wii. Motion controls with the Wii was novel especially controlling acceleration with the Wii-mote. 2. I feel this game has a lot to offer. At the same time feels really unfocused and unpolished. They should of just stuck with the choose a territory and race mechanic as the whole game instead of sprinkling all the other mechanics about. 3. Alfa Romero as starting brand. Never thought I would see Alfa Romero in a Need for Speed Game. I guess they couldn't have Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Pagani as starting car because that would be too obvious. 4. T-Mobile and Auto Zone among others is one way to promote brand awareness. Worth the rights fees is subject to debate.

[@roflBeck]

Big agree on point 1 there. I love the control schemes for Carbon's Gamecube version (though I didn't get that version til recently lol). The Wii version is what I played back then, and the only decent control scheme on that is the one where you use the Wii remote like a wheel.

[@lipe5002]

Vou repetir praticamente o mesmo que a comparação de NFS Undercover de PS2 vs Wii. O Wii tem o dever de ser no minimo igual ou melhor que o GC, pois o Wii é um GC parrudão, mas tem um ponto que quase ninguem cita, que o controle de movimento do Wii geralmente é bem ruim para longos periodos de jogatina (principalmente pq ele não tem suporte a controles tradicionais).

[@TheFred128]

Sinceramente esses need eram mal portados para o game cube.. as texturas mesmo ficam muito aquém do que o cube era capaz...por mais que a mídia dele tenha capacidade menor... Algo foi mal feito

[@TheFred128]

Na verdade o Wii tem sim compatibilidade com controle tradicional.. o Wii classic controller e o NFS undercover é compatível. E muitos outros games também.. Esse NFS carbon não é compatível e realmente tem um esquema de controle muito ruim.

[@lipe5002]

@@TheFred128 sim sim, com relação a compatibilidade quis dizer só o NFS Carbon mesmo, tô ligado que tem vários jogos que tem compatibilidade com o Clássic controller (que apesar de parecer não ser um dos mais confortáveis controles com certeza dá de 10 a 0 no controle tradicional) e com o controle de Game Cube para contornar o controle porco quando as desenvolvedoras não sabiam usar o controle padrão do Wii.

[@TheFred128]

@@lipe5002 O Wii clássic controller pro é muito bom e confortável usa um padrão top. A versão pro é bem ergonômica. A versão normal só acho legal pra jogo de luta, a pro é melhor pra games de tiro,corrida etc

[@lipe5002]

@@TheFred128 Realmente, o Wii classic controller pro parece ser bem confortável até, mas duvido que muita gente tinha esses controles mais tops, provavelmente a galera ficava com o Nunchuck e o Wii controller mesmo.

[@coramunro85]

Gamecube version poorly optimized

[@lfefer]

The same hardware was sold twice

[@juarezmiranda]

Nintendo Wii é como si fosse um Game cube pro, tem mais frequência na cpu, gpu melhor, tem uma diferença bem ok, como da esquerda esta no médio, da direita esta no alto, tipo isso.

[@Onotosho]

Wii had more power and storage on the disc so what can be said. The gamecube version is able to keep up.

[@TheBlackbirdii]

do A ps2 vs gamecube comparison for nfs carbon

[@mayconwilliam600]

O wii e um cube com mais ram e um clock levemente maior apesar do sistema operacional ruim dele consumir muito e no fim acaba sendo um cube mesmo, porem ele nao tem a limitação de 1.5 gb somente por isso as duas versões nao sao idênticas

[@egg64]

Kinda sad that Wii was more powerful than the GC but there looked to be not a lot a performance boost on this one. Looks better though.

[@jhkuno88]

The textures look a milion times better on Wii...it also running at higher resolution and color depth too which is no small thing

[@td1516]

What controls are being used for the Wii version? Remote and Nunchuck? The Wii classic controller buttons aren't moving that's why I'm asking.

[@FigureFarter]

Wii Remote and Nunchuck. The classic controller didn't come out yet

[@wizzgamer]

@@FigureFarter Could of sworn it came out at launch or very early because I remember buying one within the first few weeks of launch to play virtual console games.

[@FigureFarter]

@@wizzgamer NFS was a launch title, virtual console came out like a month or two later

[@alpzepta]

@@wizzgamerThey could still add a GameCube controller support option to the game. It’s so bad I would rather play the GameCube version

[@iwanttocomplain]

nice video!

[@iwanttocomplain]

​ @carloscuello8814 Yes storage capacity is overstated and the importance of the DVD in the 6th generation. The Dreamcast GD-ROM holds 1.4GB of data by halving the speed of the disc whilst reading at the speed to double the capacity. Sega could have used double sided cd's which are still cheaper than dvd's to achieve 2.4GB. Without fmv's, these games generally fit into 700MB.

[@RetroArcadeGuy]

What bothers me is they never fixed the cars in the pre rendered scenes in every post port... 10:10 i.e. I would have loved the shader personality that the GameCube version has. Wii version looks generic AF.

[@j.c.s7762]

GameCube Wins!

[@mgguldi5006]

Ich spiele die Game Cube Variante auf meiner Wii mit einem Game Cube Controller. Besser wie meine gepimpte PS3 mit der Collectors Edition von der PS2. Grafisch waren die Konsolen schon damals wow…

[@jhkuno88]

The Wii version definitely has less reflection effects than the GC for some reason

[@DARS_04]

But... Need for Speed Carbon doesn't have classic controller support. It has Wiimote and Nunchuck controls.

[@VideoGamera]

Noone has mentioned how games werent 95 gigs back then.

[@javierortiz82]

Is the Wii version compatible with the Gamecube controller?

[@filiberto9729]

No

[@javierortiz82]

@@filiberto9729 :(

[@travojedec]

Yes

[@DanielHaduniuk]

Gamecube has better reflections on cars, see at window shield lighting

[@DanielCenciD]

Wii better textures and lights

[@madson-web]

Still a great game on gamecube

[@Mr.Atari2600]

Textures are way better on the Wii. I notice at 6:49 the moon is darker on the Wii? at 12:49 the bridge is different between the 2. at 14:32 lights missing on the wii version. 25:14 umm...

[@jhkuno88]

The textures on the Wii version are very very impressive......far above even the Xbox

[@shark360graus]

Um belo trabalho no game cube

[@hiyazaki09]

do the Wii version have that motion controls by Nintendont????

[@roflBeck]

Nintendont isn't for Wii games, it runs Gamecube games on a Wii. But it does let you use Wii controllers for Gamecube games similar to the Wii version here.

[@hiyazaki09]

@@roflBeck good cause i hate that stupid Nintendont innovation called Motion Controlls

[@ningen5]

the lighting in the wii version is the same as ps3

[@Da_eevee]

Hot take maybe: the DS version is THE WORST NFS CARBON VERSION OF ALL

[@disastermaster3K]

It’s nice how nintendo hasn’t evolved and decided that the switch use gamecube graphics

[@miditemplate4011]

That Dreamcast texture on GC

[@tomianz-1242]

I think u mean PS2 lol. PS2 was the console that had worse textures of all 6th gen consoles

[@miditemplate4011]

@@tomianz-1242 Yeah but GPU hides it well. I like the way PS2 interprets textures. Yes this texture applies to PS2 as well. But maybe DC too with 18MB of ram.

[@megabyteDeSu.]

Wii Wins!!!

[@imhafdhom]

It's the need for speed, Cabron!

[@SomeOrangeCat]

Well, its certainly cleaner looking on the Wii.

[@coisademerd.a4079]

2 versao lixo e sem conquistas

[@dobuitaarcade3837]

Wow the wii version looks way better