The Immortal NES Vs. Sega Genesis - Part One | Nefarious Wes

[@ubertroopa]

I really enjoyed this review. It was funny and informative. It's hard to find reviewers who aren't overly annoying, especially people who know what they're taking about. Keep up the good work.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks a lot! If you don't find me overly annoying in this video, then you should be able to stomach my other stuff.

[@Avrelivs_Gold]

The very first game I fell in love with. I always thought this guy is Gandalf. The music is fantastic!!

[@NefariousWes]

N1GHT5 He looks like Gandalf. But I don't think Gandalf ever spilled a goblin's guts all over the floor.

[@Avrelivs_Gold]

Maybe he did, any sword is not a toy :)

[@DefinitelyReagan]

@@NefariousWes "The Hobbit" would disagree with you.

[@G.L.999]

Fun Fact: The NES version was EA's first game released on that system. And for their first try, they did a really incredible job. Makes it look just like the Amiga!

[@spineknife2386]

Love the goofy sound effect when not utilizing the ladder

[@NefariousWes]

It cracked me up!

[@malbhet]

The Immortal was a cancer on my childhood, there is literally no difficult game to this very day that I've played that can even hold a candle to this Abomination of a cancer. To those who complained about the Dark Souls series and Bloodborne being hard AF, try playing the Immortal with no strategy guide or online assistance, because back when this game released there were none at all, then you'll know what a truly hard AF game really looks like. This game is where rage quitting and breaking controllers began. When everyone was comparing difficulty of other games to the Dark Souls series and Bloodborne I was comparing the difficulty of all games to the Immortal. Btw I didn't know this game was on the NES too, everyone I knew, including myself, only owned the Genesis version because of the blood.

[@NefariousWes]

Oh yeah, the gore was the selling point for the Genesis version, but other than the missing spider stage, I'd say the NES version is even tougher. The rage in my voice at points throughout both parts of this video is genuine. God, it pissed me off. I remember as a kid hearing my dad in the other room yelling and slamming his fist down playing The Immortal. It definitely tests your patience.

[@jose_305]

Nintendo had a subscriber magazine called Nintendo Power. New game releases would have level by level strategy guides. The Immortal was featured in one of these guides.

[@jose_305]

It's been recorded on the internet and now lives on immortally :P archive.org/stream/NintendoPower1988-2004/Nintendo%20Power%20Issue%20020%20%28January%201991%29#page/n31/mode/2up

[@bradders9743]

Even the battle mode was too cryptic, could never figure it out

[@tresinforest2904]

This was the awesomest game

[@Gameroomrebel1980]

One of the Darkest Games I've played on The Genesis back in the early 90s😱. I was like 10 when my friend invited me over to play This and Ghouls N Ghost!

[@jasonnikolic]

These 2 epic videos got a subscribe from me, seriously dude this was very entertaining and I can't wait to try it out.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks! These are old ones, but still some of my favorites.

[@hackjobleroy]

Wes, I know I have commented similarly in the past, but your reviews are amazing! The series on The Immortal is hands down the funniest, most informative review on a game I have ever watched on the platform. I rewatch at least 3 times a year. Keep up the excellent work! Glad to see a new video!

[@1fighisimo]

Impressive!!!! so happy you went all the way to review this game!

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@tresinforest2904]

You present this n you do it so splendidly

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@sarapolley8142]

One of your best reviews yet. I was entertained, found it humorous and informative. Great job, Wes. Looking forward to part 2.

[@NefariousWes]

+Sara Polley Thanks! I'm working on part 2 as we type. It's taking a lot of work; and if you thought those bats, pits and traps were bad, just wait....

[@erainmartinez8175]

Okay I love how you use the Goofy Holler twice now 9:46

[@saturncrush]

Great content. This is a game that I wished I could have played, but did not have the opportunity to. Your style of review gives me exclusive access and highlights that more the make up for not having experienced it myself.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks, glad that you enjoyed it. It's an extremely frustrating game, so it may be better experiencing it this way.

[@saturncrush]

:-)

[@TheReNesance]

I have the NES version.. got it a few years ago and played through it pretty recently. It is hard for sure, but I really like it. Love the look of it and some of the tunes in it are fantastic.

[@NefariousWes]

The ReNesance I think I prefer the NES music over the Genesis one.

[@TheReNesance]

Never heard the Genesis version, but I was never crazy about how the Genesis sounded with any game, so I'm sure I'd be with you..

[@TDurdenArt]

Great video, mate. I loved this game. It's short, but it's such a classic. The 'split like a banana' death was my favourite. You have a great sense of humor, haha.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks. This was a fun video to make.

[@moosivasli]

"Where is Ozzy when you need him?" LMAO you just deserved your sub :P

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@Sinn0100]

I played the Genesis version in middle and junior high school as well. I have never seen the Nes version of the game. The music at the beginning is burned into my head...it is unmistakable.

[@NefariousWes]

Exactly. The music is immediately recognizable. But I think I prefer the NES music now.

[@Trialwolf]

Really good breakdown of the games. As for the bats they may have been added to the game to prevent people from beating the game if they are renting it. I have seen a lot of resources showing that Nintendo did not like rental stores and encouraged developers to make games harder so they couldn't be beaten in a normal rental period hoping it would get people to just buy the game to have more time to beat it. (makes sense from a business stand point since Nintendo got no money from rentals aside from the initial game purchase though it leaves us with a lot of hard games)

[@NefariousWes]

+Wolfsite That's an interesting theory. I wouldn't put anything past Nintendo, considering their questionable sales tactics over the years. Thanks for watching!

[@Trialwolf]

+Westapo: Video Games and Loud Music I just remembered that renting video games is actually illegal in Japan (I had some Japanese boxed games that even had no rental icons on the back of the box) and there is a video online that shows that Nintendo and some other Japanese companies did try to make it illegal to rent games in North America as well. Again it is an interesting video if you wanted to look into it further.

[@RobD-jq7ry]

+Wolfsite I could understand why a company would not want a party to purchase their product and then rent said product out for a profit. This takes sales and more importantly gobs of money away. However in 1990 spending 50 bucks on a game that may be good or may be borderline unplayable was not a fair position to put consumers in. As long as nintendo gets their cut from the rental stores it seems to be a win for all...well except for game developers and publishers that put out shit games. Those guys get exposed...perhaps game quality would've been lower without this rental practice.

[@matthewfox7007]

"after learning the hard way not to fuck with senior slaughter..." hahaha dude your commentary in this is great

[@NefariousWes]

Oh man, I forgot about that.

[@vampiricpig1392]

Dude those genisis kill animations holy shit!!!!

[@SlyBeast]

When I first discovered the Souls series, the difficulty immediately reminded me of The Immortal. Great game!

[@girlemo8090]

It would be awesome to make a prequel to this game, with modern graphics, similar to something like elder scrolls

[@Johnnygrafx]

I remember seeing this game at the video rental store near my house but it was always out every weekend for months. I would see the case on the shelf though and always thought it looked so badass. Eventually the stars aligned and I happened to go there while it was in, and I rented it. Got my ass handed to me as you might expect, but I still liked it for its atmosphere. It always creeped me out and intrigued me even though I was horrible at it.

[@NefariousWes]

Half the reason this game is so cool is the atmosphere. Not too many games like it at the time.

[@Johnnygrafx]

@@NefariousWes absolutely. it was pretty shocking to 9-year-old me lol. Also, subbed to your channel! 😎

[@NefariousWes]

@@Johnnygrafx Thanks! This video is old as hell. I've improved a lot since.

[@LastOneLeft99]

This game just randomly popped into my brain today. I tried to play it as a kid on the Genesis but the controls were so horrible I gave up on it. One of the few games I could never get into.

[@NefariousWes]

Yeah, the controls are pretty rough. Both versions.

[@stevemitchell4663]

Not sure if i'm remembering this right, but on the nes version, if you help fight the trolls with the goblins the goblin king just talks to you without any trouble. which is funny because a first i tried impersonating a goblin at first, getting the i know who you are messege and a spike enema for my trouble. I also did the spore kill everything bit but that didn't seem like the right thing to do so i started over. Sorry I know this is an old post but Immortal was one of the most interesting games i've ever played as a kid, music and storywise.

[@NefariousWes]

Sounds right.

[@mr_beezlebub3985]

It’d be cool if this game got a remaster and had its flaws fixed

[@NefariousWes]

That would be sweet!

[@Mintcar923]

Had the Amiga version but never quite finished it.. Games are such an interesting art form being there are just so many genres of them.. I don’t know if you can consider this an RPG or action adventure.. But I really like the atmosphere although like many others from the era is on the difficult side..

[@nighthoodlupin3500]

The 'geezer' looks more interesting. The other boxart just looks typical. The wizard is the actual protagonist of the game so... Also, the NES was a generation behind the Genesis so I'd expect the Genesis version to be better. And Nintendo changed its stance on blood and gore with Mortal Kombat.

[@krazydogg82]

"Senior Slaugter" I LOL'd

[@LUCKO2022]

Took me a while to get the backround music in the beginning. I know I had heard it before but couldn't place it. It is Zelda II in the battle screens.

[@DariaPlaysRPGs]

I've never really played either version before - I don't think I really figured out the battle system. But I have both versions of the game so this detailed analysis of the differences is really fascinating to me. I had to stop the video at 7:27 because of spoilers but you've got my attention. Kind of want to play the genesis game now.

[@NefariousWes]

Oh yeah, there's plenty of spoilers cuz I completely dissect the whole game! I actually go over the battle system for both games at 12:25 if you want to check it out. No spoilers there. I do prefer the Genesis version over the NES one, but both are pretty tough games and can get extremely frustrating. Maybe you ought to stream it, I would definitely be down to watch that!

[@JamesChessman]

Great video here and part 2. Game is an old favorite of mine. I still wonder if there are more secrets or alternate paths? Genesis, I know there are 2 alternate paths with later effects. The king asks for help, and later, the woman asks for her item. Could there be more than these 2 alternate paths?

[@NefariousWes]

Not sure, I haven't played it since I made this video. Thanks!

[@VaughnJogVlog]

Bestie and I gave up on the Genesis version after about 15 min. back in elementary school.

[@wackyruss]

I had this on Genesis as a kid. I think it gave me nightmares and I remember my dad said it was probably from this game.

[@NefariousWes]

It gave me nightmares, too--cuz it's so freakin' hard!!

[@RichDuckKing]

I appreciate anyone covering one of my favorite obscure Genesis games, but those emulator filters look so awful. To each their own, but I prefer the original pixelated look.

[@NefariousWes]

Ha ha, yeah I feel the opposite. Sometimes the sprites are so pixelated in HD that I can't even make them out. Now it would be a different story on a CRT. Thanks for watching!

[@KalOrtPor]

Another amusing difference is if you try to talk to the Goblin King while wearing the Protean ring.....A ladder magically opens up underneath and.....you fall in, much to your demise (It's a ladder! It's a trap door! No less dangerous in this game, as you saw) as he declares "You are an impostor!"....In the NES version, he pulls a Vlad instead and immediately summons one of the rather sodomizy spikes, and here he says "I know who you are.....And I have a surprise for you!"....Which makes me wonder if the king doesn't think you're an impostor, but mistakes you for a real goblin he doesn't particularly like!

[@NefariousWes]

I forgot all about that! I remember doing that when I played it as a kid.

[@BrothersForgeGaming]

So far the differences are unconscionable. It almost seems like the NES version is the hard mode version of the game. albeit the 16 bit and PC versions of the game look and seem to play much better, it's hard to compete with sheer difficultly. I had to stop this video after you beat the first level, because I intend on beating this game one day. Originally I had said I would play through this game on the Genesis, but after seeing your kick ass comparison I would be remiss in doing so. Thanks for the tasty vid :)

[@NefariousWes]

Hurry up an beat it so you can finish the video! And by the way, the Genesis version has one additional stage.

[@BrothersForgeGaming]

An extra stage! Shit, now I have to beat them both!! I will try and finish at least the second level so I can watch the next segment of your totally tubular expose.

[@RetroIslandGaming]

Oooooo The Immortal! I played the NES one as a kid long ago and loved it. The story in that version is just crap and I had no idea about the backstory. Well, until I played the DOS version and opened my eyes to everything. Solid video man. Really enjoy your editing and flow here. It shows you care about the game as I know you've obviously done your homework on it. I reviewed this game on my channel as well. It seems to be gaining more and more exposure which is great! I went over the DOS one almost exclusively. That's more my domain for gaming. The first half of your video eerily parallels mine. Great minds must think alike! The music on the DOS one is also similar but different. I can tell you'd probably like to hear how the songs change. I prefer the NES music over the Genesis, but I gotta hand it to the DOS for the best yet. I will check out some of your other stuff later! Take care!

[@NefariousWes]

+Retro Island Gaming Thanks a lot, man. I'm glad you appreciate this video; I basically made it for hardcore Immortal fans like you. And yeah, I LOVE this game, even though it really frustrates me and totally pisses me off!! But when I played this game back in '91 it just blew me away and has always resonated with me. And like I mentioned in the video, the graphic violence just enthralled me, as video games rarely had guts n' brains, let alone blood! I put a ton of work into this video and loved every laboring second of it. You should check out part two if you haven't already, as I feel it gets more interesting as it goes along. This video is definitely my favorite of all the ones I've made so far, and I'm currently working on some more "Vs" videos, so make sure to stay tuned.

[@yohkom.7988]

The Mega Drive version seems to be the best all-around as it's often the case. It has the close-up combat, the most suited soundtrack and is uncensored unlike the NES version. But given the hardware it runs on, the NES version is actually impressive, even the sound. And the DOS version seems to be based on the Mega Drive version but slower and choppy.

[@sleepyjarvis6062]

Really enjoying your channel, glad I subbed to it.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@Tuvgfxufihcyccgutm]

Immortal remake

[@NefariousWes]

That would be awesome!

[@adamjeremycapps]

I just love the style of this game. I think it would be neat if Zelda dungeons were more like this.

[@spineknife2386]

I would like this license to get picked up by a company and have the idea given to several indie development companies simultaneously to let them all riff. I mean, minimal memory used if you're keeping the sprites and engine the same so let the up and comers go wild with it and put it all on a disk. We need more art in video games and this would be one hell of a playground to turn these guys loose on.

[@NefariousWes]

I'd be down for that as well. Will Harvey caught these videos a few months ago and messaged me. He dug 'em.

[@spineknife2386]

@@NefariousWes hell yeah. That's awesome

[@raxsavvage]

i could never work out where to put the rings in those triangles on megadrive, like legit , had no idea, and then i couldn't quite work out how to put it in the right place

[@NefariousWes]

Yeah, it's really tricky. Damn isometric games.

[@timking3587]

Hehe.. while looking up the Shadow of the Beast soundtrack I then looked up The Immortal's and found this and your channel. The memories lol. Yes a frustrating game and at the time I was quite young 12 or 13 I think and to see those death scenes on the SEGA was a WTF moment every time. I got as far as the worm corridor and had to use level skip to get to the end and completed it that way. 😉👍 Excellent video. Plenty of laughs specially when you are about to progress to the next level and you end up missing the ladder and fall down. I feel your pain haha.. 😂😂

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks, man! Glad you were able to get a few laughs at my expense. XD I was also 13 when I first played this game, and I just drooled over the gratuitous violence. And I still hate that worm room. And the spider room! The NES version is no picnic, either.

[@KEVS6975]

I remember playing this, and how funny some of it was.

[@TheDvtch]

I honestly don't remember this game being that hard. I had it for the Genesis, and he only part I remember sweating was the carpet, and trying endlessly to beat the Norlax without going down the drain.

[@DanielMonteiroNit]

The troll thing on the NES was probably changed to avoid being perceived as a bug

[@InternetTAB]

instant sub. nice work

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@04dram04]

Having a craving to see violence is not good brother. Its the traits of a sociopath

[@NefariousWes]

That's where knowing the difference between fiction and reality comes into play.

[@Geffro]

Not sure if this is in the Genesis version, but in the NES you can get two trolls to fight each other by throwing a "ceremonial dagger" or something in the room with two trolls that's in "troll territory". Makes it easier by skipping the two battles.

[@NefariousWes]

It is.

[@maxcardun]

Sure the old man has a name, it's "The Wizard".

[@sarapolley8142]

Also, your Mario impression was a nice touch. Certainly Nintendo is the Disney of video games, but I'm all in favor. Granted the violence and gore is much appreciated and certainly makes the Genesis version a better adaption.

[@NefariousWes]

+Sara Polley Mario's a little bitch. I've been calling Nintendo the "Disney" of video games since at least high school. I have a definite love/hate relationship with them.

[@sarapolley8142]

As do most people, especially as of late.

[@sarapolley8142]

Okay, I love your Count reference and dub. He's by far my favorite Sesame Street character besides Oscar the Grouch. I can tell you have an affinity for the bats ;-) .

[@NefariousWes]

+Sara Polley Those goddamn bats!!

[@decrodedart2688]

Wicked video!

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@lazarus30001]

It's not a bed of straw, it's a bed of frys ;-p

[@sixthwizard2744]

The InsinerateHymn logo i see, then a dude in an orange jersey. Had me confused 😂 was expecting a dude in a metal shirt and jeans. 😂😂😂

[@risingsonseven]

Great work. Can you do more videos with obscure games like this? Like Versus style. Legacy of Kain on psone perhaps

[@NefariousWes]

+risingsonseven Thanks. I'm definitely gonna do more versus videos--they're the funnest ones to make! I haven't played Legacy of Kain in years. What would I compare it with?

[@risingsonseven]

+Westapo: Video Games and Loud Music The game is called Legacy of Kane Blood Omen for ps1 and I think there is a PC version of the game also

[@NefariousWes]

I don't play PC games, so that one wouldn't work. I do have some others planned, though; but I mainly stick to home console versions. And I also have to have the physical copies of the games that I cover.

[@strongbongus]

the immortal genesis gave me nightmares as a kid. i love it.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

This game was ever harder if you were not a native english speaker and back at the time had a very thing grasp of the english language... having to use a dictionary to translate everything and getting half of what was said WRONG.

[@NefariousWes]

Oh, I can only imagine!

[@muhanc.a.9299]

Denver Broncos support the 1st part of this video

[@NefariousWes]

Super Bowl 50 Champs!

[@diegofloor]

I really love this game! Even though the reaper in the cover and intro screen of genesis look cool, the fact they are completely unrelated to the game makes it seem a little cheap. Also "you split the goblin like a banana" said in the most casual way possible made me laugh. Almost sounded like a cooking lesson. Great video!

[@NefariousWes]

diegofloor Glad you liked it. Watch part 2 for the Reaper's appearance.

[@diegofloor]

Already did. I completely forgot that little guy. You really think it's the same dude on the cover and intro? I never made the connection. Oh well, might as well be. Why not. We both grew up with the genesis version so we might be a little biased :P

[@NefariousWes]

diegofloor Yeah, it's him. The Genesis version is better. Period.

[@usamazahid3882]

Westapo I was wondering, what music you used in this video's intro?

[@JamesChessman]

I think the grim reaper is more the actual theme of death throughout the game...

[@2ToyBoys]

Oooh, the Immortal...a favorite(Sega)

[@sarapolley8142]

Ha-ha. I also chuckled when you compared The Reaper to Geezer. I'm obviously in favor of The Reaper.

[@NefariousWes]

+Sara Polley The Genesis version is one of my all-time favorite video game covers.

[@BlackMasterRoshi]

Both versions have chiptune music. The commodore 64 had a SID chip. It's funny that you mentioned skate or die! because Rob Hubbard composed the music for both these games and many others. Here's another well known example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWPYh2dqZa-WbqM

[@batmandraculaboss]

ВИКТОР КОРНЕПЛОД

[@Big_Dai]

Dude, awesome video for an awesome. Do you have the game booklet or can it be found online? EDIT: Found it.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks! Yeah, I got the booklet online. That's where I got all of those images for this video. I miss instruction books.

[@nickbackstrand5080]

Where did you get the music that you had in tne background in the beginning of this video. It sounds like a re done zelda 2... did they re make zelda 2?

[@NefariousWes]

It's Vomitron. They do metal covers of NES games. Link to their site is in the description.

[@nickbackstrand5080]

Nefarious Wes hey thanks Man! Loved this video dude. I looked for part two and couldn't find it...

[@NefariousWes]

It should be the next video to play. If anything, check my Vs. playlist on my front page.

[@nickbackstrand5080]

Found it. Thanks man. Good job again. I'm about to finish up a borderlands mission and watch part two of immortal. The funny thing is I just watched AVGN's immortal nes video and then you're popped up. I prefer your video. I think I favor the Sega in this instance. Anyway, thanks for the entertainment dude

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks! That Cinnemassacre video has brought some traffic over here. Hope you enjoy part two.

[@rodrigoalves-cg6xv]

Great video, but the filtering spoil it a bit

[@primekiller5729]

2:08 The NES cover looks like Luke Skywalker.

[@charlene2400]

The NES cover is Luke Skywalker from the late trilogy, lol

[@mycabbages3538]

Mmmmmm that NES soundtrack.

[@NefariousWes]

EA always had great music on the NES.

[@LupusRexRgis]

The theme song playing at 10:10 is from what game? It sounds so familiar...

[@NefariousWes]

It's Vomitron covering Zelda II. The dungeon theme.

[@LupusRexRgis]

Thank you very much! Great video, by the way! 😊👍

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks. I have a link to Vomitron's website in the description of this video if you wanna check out some more of their music. They're also on KZbin.

[@christianvc4711]

The Immortal = old school dark souls

[@TheT3rr0rMask]

I vote geazer

[@dopestonelion3357]

Clearly a bears fan

[@NefariousWes]

Da Bears.

[@chuckstanley4744]

The game I fuckin just can't stand that I played forever was that Goddamn motherfuckin festers quest. Fuck that game right in its face. Anyway, I still have my genesis and immortal game. I beat it back in 92 and it was a feat that I have never matched because there was no internet to look up how to win and I had no type of guide. I just over and fuckin over played and played this fun game. But the continue and saves were fucked. The ending was fuckin hard as fuck too. Acid pools, worms, bats and tons of other fucked bad guys to kill the fuck out of you. I might have to play again. Ill probably suck real bad since its been 25 years. Man the time flies by

[@NefariousWes]

It's a real bitch.

[@kaiser5731]

Hey keemstar is in the background

[@kevinbietry6769]

SEGA❗

[@tskraj3190]

Too bad it was never released for SNES.

[@NefariousWes]

That would've been sweet! But yeah, Nintendo....

[@lunarcaustic4491]

Geezer? Reaper? Geezer? Reaper?

[@NefariousWes]

+Lunar Caustic Can't decide, eh?

[@WispyBlueBricksGPX]

I love the NES version better

[@mingrui1862]

5:09 😂🤣

[@2songs1kvlt52]

you really seem to have a deep-seated hatred for people over 50.

[@joseluki]

If you are going to compare games using and emulator at least set the filters off.

[@NefariousWes]

I prefer the filters.

[@MobileDecay]

I prefer them to but I think the point was to see as close as possible what both games looked like without special graphical enhancements. Thanks for the video though! I used to play this on the Nes as a kid all the time and got nowhere!!! =)

[@NefariousWes]

Well, I'm always down to try different stuff, so I'll give no filters a shot.

[@ciscovaiese7535]

Nefarious Wes play sweet home for the famicom trust me it's gory and has the most gruesome deaths in game

[@erainmartinez8175]

Sega better

[@toenail3242]

What's up with the 666 satanic logo bruh?

[@NefariousWes]

DEICIDE!

[@dowling1981]

The Genesis is a more advanced console. Of course it's better.

[@israelgarza3083]

Vid cool but y triple 6 logo bro in the intro

[@Qortalk]

This is a biased review.

[@lazarus30001]

The GOG version of the game is trash! All the music is the stage music and there are no fatalities; a complete waste.