Rolling Thunder Vs. Code Name: Viper - NES | Nefarious Wes

[@morkmeatshield5373]

Damn, man. I remember Code Name:Viper so much from back in the day. It was the first video game I ever beaten way back in 1990. God, I feel old.

[@NefariousWes]

We all do.

[@chaseman94]

At the end of Code Name Viper after you get your final score and password you can push the fire button to shoot the screen as fast as you want.

[@NefariousWes]

chaseman94 I'll hafta try that.

[@RetroIslandGaming]

Rolling Thunder looks more interesting with the art design and story, but I'd rather play Code Name Viper for the gameplay. I love how the game shows you how the girl is being held captive. Damn, she's lovely! I want to check out Rolling Thunder 2. Don't know how I feel about limited ammo. I need all the shots I can get! WTF happens if you run out of bullets at the end bosses? Another excellent video, dude. That's so cool I snuck into the intro there :) Thanks for letting me be a part of this episode.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks, dude, and thanks for helping me out! I think that intro turned out pretty well. I hear ya about the art design in regards to Rolling Thunder. It looks so unique, and I love the color combinations on the hooded soldiers. Almost like some cheesy, spy flick from the '60s. Rolling Thunder 2 and 3 are pretty good and play more like Viper. And if you run out of bullets on the bosses, then you're dead. When you run out of ammo, you can fire a single, slow-as-shit shot, so you're not completely defenseless. But you won't last very long.

[@NILLTM]

Both games are great and are extremely appreciated and famous here in Brazil, it was part of the life of many people here if you asked for some Brazilian he would not know to choose between the two, great video congratulations for the work!

[@NefariousWes]

+NILL™ Thanks! That's awesome that they were popular in Brazil, cuz they weren't all that popular in the states.

[@NILLTM]

Games with this theme of action movie and related have always caught the attention of the Brazilian public, and here the people who were born in the mid 90s and 80s are completely in love with NES games! Congratulations again for the great work!

[@NefariousWes]

+NILL™ Sounds like my kind of pais. Don't know if the Spanish word for country is the same in Portuguese, but I've heard Max Cavalera say it, so I'm guessing it is correct.

[@NILLTM]

Yes, that's right

[@LeandroBarbksa]

Yeah, I had Code Name Viper as a kid and loved it, only as an adult I realized it wasn't very popular on the internet. But we used to call it Dead Fox.

[@LitGaming999]

I used to love phar-mor. Me and my friend convinced his mom to drive like 30 minutes to go because the rentals were so cheap. Used to always rent like 3 games at a time and rescue: the embassy mission was usually included.

[@NefariousWes]

That place was the best for video game rentals.

[@swampdonkey4919]

Phar-Mor is actually where I first played Rolling Thunder the arcade game.

[@falcougeoutpost1585]

I never saw Viper as a ripoff of RT, just a very strong love letter. Fun fact:The music in this game was done by Junko Tamiya, who also did the music for the NES version of Bionic Commando, and the arcade version of Strider.

[@NefariousWes]

No wonder the soundtrack rocks.

[@TheChannel0309]

Holy shit, we used to have a Phar Mor down here, too! I have fond memories of renting Code Name:Viper, Low G Man, and then Final Fight and Final Fantasy II when the Super NES came out. Damn, the memories...

[@Dongled]

I always liked both games, though you're right about the movement in Code Name Viper, much more fluid whereas Rolling Thunder is a lot stiffer.

[@NefariousWes]

Dongled It's funny how Rolling Thunder 2 reminds me more of Viper than its predecessor. Thank god for shooting in mid-air.

[@nikhil-kulkarni]

Speaking about passwords, when you play the game Code Name: Viper (I played the Japanese version named Ningen Heiki) on normal difficulty, the passwords appear before 3rd and 6th stage instead of before 4th and 7th stage. Also, if you finish the game on hard difficulty, a password appears at the end after the scores. But I do not know what it does. Anyway, nice video! You brought back my memories too!

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks! Yeah, I forgot about the passwords until I started playing Viper again for this video.

[@RewindMike]

I always loved both of these games! The gameplay style was unique and slow paced, compared to run n' guns that is lol

[@NefariousWes]

Ha ha, I almost called these run-n-guns but I caught myself.

[@mariowario5945]

You will love shinobi, eswat and shadow dancer then!

[@gunhed76]

I always remember the bad guy in Code Name Viper was the commander bringing drugs to the U.S, kinda like real life

[@NefariousWes]

Art imitates life.

[@StephenWilds]

Good video, I see why you say those take you a while to do though. If I remember correctly I played Rolling Thunder more at the arcade and Code Name: Viper on my NES.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks, man. Rolling Thunder on the arcade is awesome!

[@maximpact24]

As a big Rolling Thunder fan this was a treat. Great job West. Love these vids.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks, man! This video is definitely for Rolling Thunder and Code Name: Viper die-hards!

[@Nikos8BitStereo]

"If there was other stuff I missed that was important, let me know" Yes, , of course. HOW COULD YOU NOT TALK ABOUT THE SOUNDTRACKS YOU MANIAC?!? I joke of course, you did one hell of a great video talking about the main core of the two games being similar and there gameplay. I find it interesting recently the information that Arc System Works did indeed program Code Name: Viper, but it also makes sense in just how similar it is to Rolling Thunder. But the mention of the N1603/163 expansion soundchip in the Famicom version of Rolling Thunder and Yoko Shimomura's wonderful compositions in Code Name: Viper would have made this complete (to me cus I feel responsible when music (facts and)/composers are mentioned :P)

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks, man. The soundtracks just don't relate to each other at all. Rolling Thunder only has two stage tracks. I was mainly focusing on the similarities since they are two completely different games and not the same game with differences, which is what I normally do.

[@charlesanthonymiddlebrooks3487]

Nefarious Wes "Hey #NafariousWes, anychance that you could do a #Famicom (Japan) VS. #NES (North America) of #WrathOfTheBlackManta as well too please?" 😐🙏💖🎮🕹️📱💻🎥🎞️📽️🎬📺📈🔮

[@ecmyersvids]

Fantastic video! Man, the arcade version of Rolling Thunder is gorgeous, and so is its Famicom cover art. Now that I know how great both these games are, I'm looking forward to putting myself through the punishment of completing them.

[@NefariousWes]

ecmyersvids Thanks, man! Another good thing about the Famicom version of Thunder is that it utilizes an extra sound channel, giving the music more of a "pop". I used that version's music in this video. And while Viper is a pretty challenging game, it pales in comparison to Rolling Thunder. After stage five the game just gets downright BRUTAL!

[@ecmyersvids]

Wow, you're right! I just tried the Japanese version of Rolling Thunder on my Everdrive. I have the ENIO audio expansion board on my NES, and the music was terrific. But yeah, the controls aren't as good.

[@NefariousWes]

ecmyersvids Yeah, the controls are pretty stiff. But that music sounds so good! I wanna get a cart one of these days.

[@crazyjohnt8012]

Bought time I watch this. Once again another great video

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks, man!

[@retrogamaniac3673]

That's some excellent stuff mate, greetings for that! I love that Misfits' action figure on your background. "Rolling Viper" was a great game, but I've also liked "Code Name: Thunder" as well! :D (LOL)

[@Ty-ri7dy]

Thanks for the vid. I played the absolute hell out of codename viper when I was a kid because two of my favorite things at the time: video games and secret agents. I didn't know about Rolling Thunder though. Maybe I'll check it out some day.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks! If you like Viper, you hafta play Rolling Thunder!

[@TheRealJPhillips]

great work here mann. glad to have found ur station. keep up the good works bro

[@NefariousWes]

John Phillips JP Thanks a lot!

[@EarlFaulk]

I owned Code Name Viper brand new. It took me about 14 years to buckle down and beat it though.

[@werehold]

Both games are in my top 20, but Code Name: Viper ranks higher because it doesn’t recycle levels. It’s more vibrant and atmospheric compared to Rolling Thunder which has a cold pallet, and most levels stick to just 2 or 3 colors. I love the challenge that Rolling Thunder offers, and Ive only beaten it once.

[@NefariousWes]

There's a lot of things that makes Viper better.

[@werehold]

Also, nice shirt bro. R.I.P. Chuck. 😢

[@daniellove162]

I had to buy my own games as well. In fact I bought myself a NES and my mom wrapped it and gave it to me for Christmas. I didn’t mind because I knew my single mother didn’t have money even though she worked hard.

[@NefariousWes]

That's incredibly sweet, man. Good on you and your mom.

[@daniellove162]

@@NefariousWes - Super Mario Bros, Pro Wrestling and Rad Racer. My little brother was the Big winner because he played it more than me.

[@MichaelBtheGameGenie]

Hey Guy, I have honestly never played either game so I had no idea that they were so similar

[@NefariousWes]

MichaelBtheGameGenie Seriously, guy?! I thought you had a near-complete NES collection. I highly recommend these two, and you should be able to get both for under $10 a piece.

[@MichaelBtheGameGenie]

Westapo I never said I never owned them ; )

[@NefariousWes]

Tsk, tsk. For shame....

[@bildo1977]

If I grazed "pee pees" with anyone, I think it would cost me a lot more than a unit of health. lol

[@NefariousWes]

innoutraged Ha ha, I hear ya!

[@algol291]

damn, Slayer is old. Do they still play, or is there like one guy from the original band who kept the name?

[@NefariousWes]

algol291 Yeah, they are old--and still thrashing! But one of the original guitarists drank himself to death, so Exodus' main guitarist replaced him. He's old too.

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

Gary Holt is awesome, but imo he's too good for Slayer. TBH i like the band until Divine Intervention album.

[@NefariousWes]

Oh, he's definitely too good for Slayer. He's doing it for the paycheck. Hopefully he does some of the writing for the next album, cuz Christ Illusion was shit. Divine Intervention is my favorite Slayer album.

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

I had the luck to see Gary Holt live with Exodus + Kreator back in 2009. The guy is a legit beast on the strings.

[@NefariousWes]

Psycho Machinery I saw 'em on that tour. Exodus is touring again soon.

[@THESHMUPMASTER]

As usual, your video managed to make me LOL. The Kenny Smith and Jeff Sessions jokes were great :D As for the games, never heard of Code Name Viper but I've heard of the Rolling Thunder series. Although the only Rolling Thunder games I played were on the Genesis.

[@NefariousWes]

Ha ha, yeah I thought the Sessions one was pretty good. I'm glad you got the "Jet" reference. I wasn't expecting too many people to catch that one. Glad that it didn't go unnoticed. The Rolling Thunder games on the Genesis play much more like Viper than the original Rolling Thunder. They're cheap games, so I recommend 'em, especially if you like the Genesis Rolling Thunder games.

[@bobbyberetta4206]

Just stumbled upon your channel subbed as soon as you mentioned Lard! Great review

[@NefariousWes]

Bo88y Beretta Thanks! The power of Lard!

[@beansoup1088]

Another great review comparison video. Love watching your vids

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@Peremptor]

Great side by side comparisons. I actually like the look of Rolling Thunder more.... CNV looks objectively better but a bit more generic.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks! Rolling Thunder is a pretty unique-looking game.

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

Again a kick ass shirt dude! Actually i lack that Human one in my Death collection (got Scream Bloody Gore & Leprosy shirts, for now XD )

[@NefariousWes]

I got that shirt when I saw the Death Tribute tour, or whatever it was called. Where all the guys from Human (minus Chuck, of course) played the album in its entirety, plus songs from Scream Bloody Gore, Leprosy and Spiritual Healing. I have to say it was one of the best shows I've ever been to. They played the same night as Fear Factory, and it was a no-brainer to see Death (not to mention I've seen Fear Factory nearly 20 times). The last time Death toured with Chuck and came to Colorado, it was a 21+ show, and I was only 20. Check died a year later.

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

Pity you couldn't see Chuck live, but anyway it sounds an amazing gig. Especially if the almighty Steve DiGiorgio was featured on the bass.

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

Man, you should make some metal reviews on this channel as well lml

[@NefariousWes]

Yep, his tall, lanky-ass was rockin' that fretless bass!

[@NefariousWes]

I would like to, but because of KZbin's copyright policies in regards to music, it's difficult to do if you want to include music snippets, which in my opinion is mandatory for those types of videos. Also, not sure how well received it would be on this channel now, but I think at some point I'll try it out and see what happens.

[@miketate3445]

Wait, you're telling me there's ANOTHER Rolling Thunder game that I've never even heard of. And is from Arc System Works?! This is amazing. I must try it!

[@NefariousWes]

Get on it!

[@trevorthefilthyrat3742]

Love the soundtrack from both.

[@IamN0-1]

Digging the " human" shirt

[@NefariousWes]

Great album.

[@janwerthwein820]

You should try comparing the arcade version of Rolling Thunder and Rough Ranger. Which is another Rolling Thunder copy.

[@maziku4749]

dude, your channel is going to be big one day. great vids. i also really like that you were playing a lot of these games when they were current gen.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@LukesGamerRoom]

looks,like i need to check out both of these. great conparison mate. i think i say hey guys too lol

[@NefariousWes]

LuciousShowcase So does MichaelB and a bunch of other great KZbinrs. What a stupid, trivial and childish thing to whine about. I couldn't resist making fun. Dude, both of these games are cheap, so snag 'em up!

[@NefariousWes]

Oh, and thanks, Luke.

[@BobBorakovitz]

oh hell, I remember Phar-mor's rentals here in Florida. I remember renting Mickey Mouscapades, Milon's Secret Castle, X-Men, Lolo...awesome.

[@NefariousWes]

Hey, you're the first person who has watched this to remember Phar-Mor. I was so bummed when they shut down.

[@chronosanaki5174]

What happened to Kiaya Campbell?

[@NefariousWes]

She was murdered by her 15-year old stepbrother.

[@chronosanaki5174]

Why? That's what I'm woundering?

[@NefariousWes]

+The ChronoGamer Show Who knows? Kid is a sick fuck, for sure.

[@chronosanaki5174]

Nefarious Wes Yeah no shit, It's one thing to take the life of someone you don't even know. But it's fucking unforgivable to kill someone in your own family! (Unless it's that evil vs. good brother type of bullshitery!)

[@SlyBeast]

I had these games for about a decade before I realized you could hold up to remain behind a door to let an enemy pass. Whoops.

[@NefariousWes]

Ha ha, oh man, that's an integral part of the game! I'll wait in a door on Thunder when those stupid bats are flying by, and then as soon as they swoop in, I get the hell outta there!

[@SlyBeast]

Yeah, the game's hard anyway but by not realizing I could hide behind the doors, I really cranked the difficulty up to 11 on myself. P.S. MotherFUCK those bats.

[@NefariousWes]

Those bats are probably the worst enemies in the game. All because you can't jump and shoot!

[@albertorkenbjorken]

when i saw the upside down ministry logo i got excited. when i heard the Lard song i REALLY got excited! nice!!!

[@hypermantic]

People tend to forget there was another game called Rocket Rangers that fit the same type of gameplay and it was also two players.

[@strikezone1879]

Great video! Very well done. I love Code Name: Viper, great game with a good challenge.

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@worldofretrogameplay6963]

Phar-Mor sounds like it belongs in a video game. Lol.

[@infinitygenealpa]

Who is Kiaya Campbell?

[@NefariousWes]

www.9news.com/article/news/crime/case-involving-teen-accused-in-kiaya-campbells-death-transferred-to-adult-court/73-510873098

[@NESADDICT]

I've been trying to get good at code name viper recently.

[@NefariousWes]

It's a pretty fun game.

[@az-cafe-moto]

2 great games. Great vs.

[@CtheDead209-zt8tj]

Anyone ever tell you you look like bam bam bigelow like his little bro or something lol anyone videos are sick got you a new subscriber

[@NefariousWes]

Ha ha, no, never heard that one before. Thanks!

[@contrabandresearch8409]

I wonder why Capcom didn't continue making Code Name: Viper games.

[@NefariousWes]

Not sure. As far as I know, Code Name: Viper is the only Capcom game that was developed by Arc System Works. Rolling Thunder 2 & 3 on the Genesis play a lot like Viper, though. I plan on covering those two soon.

[@contrabandresearch8409]

I mainly wonder this because I want more games like Rolling Thunder, Viper, and Elevator Action.

[@NefariousWes]

Have you ever played Elevator Action returns? It's pretty cool.

[@contrabandresearch8409]

Yes!

[@trustobey1016]

I remember this game and the wrestling move too.

[@NefariousWes]

Wrestling move?

[@kurtshastany1945]

@@NefariousWes RobVanDam... its a tumbling senton splash to a downed opponent

[@EmmittDespain]

Awesome video as always man.

[@NefariousWes]

ROM With A View Thanks, dude!

[@michaeldavid1471]

This video rocks, you rock, lard rocks and phar mor fuckin rocked. Rented many a vidya game and movie from there, and the covers of the movies in the horror section scarred me for life

[@NefariousWes]

Can't argue with that. 🤣

[@KitsGravity]

Only played Code Name Viper. Loved it a lot. It was released as Dead Fox in Asia

[@NefariousWes]

Did you notice the Dead Fox artwork in the video?

[@KitsGravity]

@@NefariousWes I failed to notice. Sorry. Anyway, new subscriber :)

[@NefariousWes]

@@KitsGravity That's okay, just figured you would get a kick out of it being in there. Thanks!

[@jdaywork2693]

Interesting. I'll have to try Rolling Thunder. Thanks for sharing!

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks for watching!

[@spineknife2386]

I think i played a game that was exactly code name viper but named something else possibly for a different system? I dunno. Ill probably google it after this youtube glut that has resulted in a barrage of comments across your videos.

[@NefariousWes]

Dead Fox?

[@tankmerc7632]

Awesome video earned a subscriber for me kind of the same story but I grew up with code name Viper getting it frequently from my local kash n kerry here in Florida when they still existed

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@SeekerLancer]

I used to rent Spy Hunter at Phar Mor. I actually like Codename Viper more than the NES Rolling Thunder but the arcade Rolling Thunder kills them both of course.

[@NefariousWes]

Christopher Blair Phar Mor was such a great store!

[@SeekerLancer]

@@NefariousWes Turns out the prices were only so low because they were lying to their investors but it was good while it lasted!

[@SteveStell]

code name viper is on the new knock off nes mini retro 500 game system. its the japanese version titled "dead fox" in the menu. i thought it was rolling thunder 3 or something lol. its a good game!

[@NefariousWes]

Hell yeah. I actually used the cover art for Dead Fox in this video.

[@ryandiggs750]

On Rolling Thunder when die it sounds like a phone is ringing and then he picks up and talking on it lol

[@racerxgundam]

i like rolling thunder in general..but man...that difficulty! Many have forgotten that rolling thunder had sequels on the genesis and they both are superior to the original. i'll even go so far as to say rolling thunder 3 on the genny is a hidden gem!

[@NefariousWes]

Yeah, the NES version is unforgiving. The Genesis games are really good. I plan on covering them sometime in the future.

[@johnhall2483]

Great video and I love both games. You had me rolling on the floor with grazing pee pees. LOL!!!

[@NefariousWes]

Ha ha, thanks for watching!

[@carlrygwelski586]

Great video man! I'll have to give Rolling Thunder a shot!

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks! Rolling Thunder is still a cheap one. It's friggin tough.

[@carlrygwelski586]

@@NefariousWes I always remember seeing the Arcade version but having a preference for the Viper graphics, not to mention being suspicuous of which one was doing the "ripping off" 🤣 it's good to finally put all that to rest haha

[@Bob_Ki_Vibes]

At that time when I was a kid it was 25 rupee for a new game cassette its like 3 new cassette for 1 dollar.....

[@monkeyabattoir8501]

i usually play for about 10 minutes and shut it off.

[@NefariousWes]

Sounds about right.

[@mylord_1579]

well when it comes down to it I think Rolling Thunder and Viper stole the idea from the original Shinobi because the movement & layout or almost the same

[@TheRealCaptainFreedom]

Rolling Thunder 1 and 2 rule. Codename Viper rules too.

[@NefariousWes]

Captain Freedom rules! Undefeated Stalker! Rolling Thunder 3 is pretty sweet as well.

[@spineknife2386]

Also, i was not going to comment on anymore tonight but FUCK YEAH LARD! Cremed corn

[@The_Division]

I remember this game as a child A hrad game to play

[@PartTimeJedi]

Well done!

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@mariowario5945]

It's sad to think about all the people that got into ntr from rolling thunder

[@garynet20]

Thank you for the review.

[@realtime4559]

Cool t-shirt dude!!!! Chuck RIP

[@NefariousWes]

Thanks!

[@Bangcat]

I think it's good to mention the thing that will kick AAA publishers today in the balls, and rightfully so. These games show that you can make cost effective games, yet still inventive and fun, and that you can do it for less than the usual retail. The spouted lies that game development is barely turning a profit at the 60 dollar price tag to the point they need to take parts of games out to sell them back to you to turn a profit is hogwash and should be reminded at every opportunity. I don't mind justifiably later made DLC, like expansions we use to buy regularly for PC, but content that's same day release and just held back, and for another price tag? Especially holding back game release till DLC is finished? Companies like Capcom and EA these days need their open slaps in the face to call them out on it. At least that's this arcade manager's humble opinion. Later DLC isn't bad. It just needs to be done responsibly, and honestly. I think Titanfall 2 is a good example of how it was done right. But now we'll see what happens that EA has now bought up Respawn.

[@Bloodreign1]

Rolling Thunder is the Big Brother, since it is the older game.

[@bsdims]

Want some homebrews?

[@NefariousWes]

Sure. What's the catch?

[@bsdims]

Nuthin' www.dropbox.com/s/erjibqcdnjrjgoi/CheckThisGameOut.txt?dl=0

[@NefariousWes]

Cool, I'll hafta check it out.

[@bsdims]

Arrite, feel free to do a vid on dems if you're bored :D

[@NefariousWes]

The only problem with that is that I use the Retron 5 to capture all of my 8 & 16-bit footage, and homebrews don't work on the Retron 5.

[@esmooth919]

12:36 #SpoilerAlert!

[@brianisaac1804]

Kkk now wears blue. 5:04

[@hw5091]

Fucking rolling thunder's awesome, especially the music and the booby cut scenes.

[@poleythepolarbear9706]

Thanks man!

[@1982Hiei]

Japanese and American versions of Rolling Thunder, sounds different each other..

[@GeorgiaRidgerunner]

Ive played rolling thunder and honestly i just couldnt get into it The graphics are just to bland the main character sprite is unappealing because its to tall and slim looking the inabilty to jump and shoot Code name viper is the better game Intersting note nes clone consoles Use a different color pallete than an original nes unit so viper's pants actually are rendered in a flesh tone Giving the illusion of viper running around not wearing any pants

[@chrisperciavalle3142]

LMFAO "grazing pee pees"

[@TimBitten]

Code Name: Viper is the vastly superior game!!

[@BigRAC83]

Kick Ass Album \m/

[@Budch]

Graphics on Rolling Thunder looks like SHIT And music not so great How already said, jumping, shooting, life mechanics better in 'Viper And "Code Name: Viper" just feels more like a good, fun game IMHO

[@NefariousWes]

I kinda like the graphics on RT, but they are very basic. Definitely no match for Viper.

[@toasteee252]

Good looking game and looks like fun. Btw..the war on drugs is not futile. If laws were enforced on the border we may cut some of that out..if there is no supply, there is no demand. Your political joke also falls flat. Other than that. Entertaining review.

[@NefariousWes]

That joke got some laughs. It's funny.