The Wacky Story of Neopets - Is There New Hope?

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@RCGC480
@RCGC480 10 ай бұрын
Never knew that a game about collecting digital pets would turn into a literal Julius Caesar tier betrayal of the main dev on they're Discord. Really Insane.
@finneganfox6470
@finneganfox6470 10 ай бұрын
This is the best comment 👌
@cIeetz
@cIeetz 10 ай бұрын
I think He's right. They should focus on restoring the site to its former glory. Forget making a 3d rendition, just make the game function like it should, and introduce new content now and then with the same original foundation. Enough people played this game to get it bumpin off nostalgia, if it had a proper facelift.
@DrawciaGleam02
@DrawciaGleam02 10 ай бұрын
Yeah the Adam drama shocked me too. He was literally considered as a GOD among the Neopets userbase!
@iMajoraGaming
@iMajoraGaming 10 ай бұрын
I feel like calling a crypto-grifto the equivalent of a Neopian Julius Caesar is so incredibly cursed that it has wrapped back around to the most blessed thing ever written.
@ChildofGodjmh
@ChildofGodjmh 9 ай бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 key word being WAS…Adam is about as popular as dung to many in neopia now!
@woonk
@woonk 10 ай бұрын
TAMAGO2474 IS BACK!!! ...right?
@Moonlightomo
@Moonlightomo 10 ай бұрын
YASS QUEEN (or king) 😎😎😎
@Azurethewolf168
@Azurethewolf168 10 ай бұрын
Not for long
@tienoku
@tienoku 10 ай бұрын
YESSSSS
@Pooper-the-Paldean-Wooper
@Pooper-the-Paldean-Wooper 10 ай бұрын
Fr
@Pooper-the-Paldean-Wooper
@Pooper-the-Paldean-Wooper 10 ай бұрын
He probably go away again tho 😢
@Pepeutra
@Pepeutra 10 ай бұрын
The Adam discord messages were like a disney villain
@AbiBomb
@AbiBomb 10 ай бұрын
bro was going wild
@cartoonishidealism582
@cartoonishidealism582 10 ай бұрын
Watched a man's origin story in real time
@digital_pocket_watch
@digital_pocket_watch 8 ай бұрын
There's something about the creator of Neopets having a narcissistic mental breakdown about cryptocurrency that just tickles me.
@edcec35
@edcec35 5 ай бұрын
The horrors of crypto
@Glarses
@Glarses 10 ай бұрын
new tamago drop alert
@D1.63
@D1.63 10 ай бұрын
Yes
@funnifazbear7566
@funnifazbear7566 10 ай бұрын
Fr
@piss-k6j
@piss-k6j 10 ай бұрын
tamargoe
@redhalafta
@redhalafta 10 ай бұрын
glarses?!?
@tr0m
@tr0m 9 ай бұрын
keyboard man ❤️
@ColinColtrane
@ColinColtrane 10 ай бұрын
that adam saga was quite something. I mean, when has the creator of a game gone rogue in the game’s discord server and gets banned from it?
@DrawciaGleam02
@DrawciaGleam02 10 ай бұрын
People made MEMES of the infamous picture of Adam flipping the bird!
@TheCloudCirrus
@TheCloudCirrus 10 ай бұрын
Neopets story is just sad. I feel like in another timeline it could have been one of the biggest culture phenomenons of our generation. I wonder what could have happened if they had continued to improve their website while developing an integrated mobile app around the early 2010s, while they still had money. Instead of Pou, we could have had an official Neopets pet app. It could even have Pokémon GO-like features.
@rachelw5865
@rachelw5865 8 ай бұрын
yep
@rawrloler
@rawrloler 8 ай бұрын
plots were peak content
@pumpkinut
@pumpkinut 10 ай бұрын
I feel like tamago's upload schedule makes every video feels so much better
@HunterAtheist
@HunterAtheist 10 ай бұрын
What upload schedule? lol
@pumpkinut
@pumpkinut 10 ай бұрын
I meant lack of uploads lol@@HunterAtheist
@Ruthvi5
@Ruthvi5 6 ай бұрын
@@pumpkinut yeah that was the joke
@Rahim103.5
@Rahim103.5 9 ай бұрын
5:15 are you crazy? Why would you decline that position, imagine applying for a job and your employer reading “neopets community spokesperson” literally an infinite free job glitch and you denied????
@PatchworkRose567
@PatchworkRose567 10 ай бұрын
Honestly never expected Adam and Donna to take a crypto turn. These are the same people that were so against Scientology putting any of their ideas into the game or having any major influence over it.
@that_youtuber9991
@that_youtuber9991 8 ай бұрын
It was mostly adam
@THISISLolesh
@THISISLolesh 5 ай бұрын
I mean scientology and crypto are two completely different things.
@tentativegazer
@tentativegazer 5 ай бұрын
​@@THISISLolesh Yeah but they're both still cults 😂
@THISISLolesh
@THISISLolesh 5 ай бұрын
@@tentativegazer I made a lot of money from crypto & i’m just a normal person. You should google the word cult, it has it downsides but it’s certainly not a ‘cult’.
@Hanzel06
@Hanzel06 10 ай бұрын
Nah dude that Adam part got me dying 😭 Bro went on a full rampage on a discord server, WITH HIS WIFE
@juliamavroidi8601
@juliamavroidi8601 10 ай бұрын
Did not expect that Adam and Donna heel turn... The Neopets story gets wilder by the month 🤯
@DrawciaGleam02
@DrawciaGleam02 10 ай бұрын
Where's the drumming footage (used for the Adam/Donna segment) from??
@minish8642
@minish8642 10 ай бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 The ending of the movie Whiplash
@StupidCommenterYT
@StupidCommenterYT 10 ай бұрын
the headline of "Neopets are turning into NFTs because of course they are" is SO FUNNY
@the_soda_boi77428
@the_soda_boi77428 10 ай бұрын
I love it when fun games about taking care of digital animals turn into games about buying NFTS big companies really know how to cater to kids nowadays don't they
@andimjustalex
@andimjustalex 10 ай бұрын
I started playing at the start of this "new era" of Neopets and I just gotta say that I love the changes that they've been making. Many games are playable again, the Faerie Fest event was INSANE, and the addition of Daily & Weekly quests to combat the aftermarket inflation issues have been welcome additions to the Neopets Experience.
@LucDiesInTheEnd
@LucDiesInTheEnd 8 ай бұрын
same!
@starlit-rain
@starlit-rain 7 ай бұрын
I started playing then too! Love it
@kullulillu
@kullulillu 6 ай бұрын
I played it 20 years ago. 😅
@c1nnamodoll
@c1nnamodoll 9 ай бұрын
man, THANK YOU so much for handling the neoNFT team like you did. i remember the neoNFT situation, and how much it broke my heart. it felt like the community went completely unheard for a minute there, and thank you as well for making the video criticizing it. thank you for this :)
@c1nnamodoll
@c1nnamodoll 9 ай бұрын
also oh god, i FORGOT about adam’s terrible discord messages.. soooo embarrassing how people keep fumbling the bag i just want to like this game in peace LMAOO🥲
@pantallahueso
@pantallahueso 10 ай бұрын
The whole rant at 9:30 did nothing but make me want to purchase a premium membership for no other reason than to spite him.
@idnilu
@idnilu 9 ай бұрын
I totally forgot Moshi Monsters was a thing omg. I just hope Neopets never ends, it's been more than 17 years and I'm there trying to complete my Neopia Central stamp collection 😭.
@Wendiz
@Wendiz 10 ай бұрын
Sad to hear the Neo Experience isn't coming back, but it's still nice to hear you just talk about Neopets like this!
@jagodakit
@jagodakit 10 ай бұрын
god i was so glad watching the whole adam / borovan Spectacle go down in real time in the neopets server. being one of the starboard reactions on “i fucking hate neopets. i wish i never made it because of this chat” was absolutely golden in the moment in all seriousness though, i’m glad that they’re expanding their scope and from what i’ve been seeing, a lot of more involved fans seem more than happy to support the new team and a lot of their new endeavors. and i’m definitely one of em 🫶 i’ve genuinely even gotten a handful of friends to join as new players!! and from what i’ve heard, quite a few others have too. i honestly adore seeing new people become fans of something that was a part of my childhood and i still actively enjoy to this day. i hope TNT keeps going in the direction they are with a ceo that seems to genuinely care about what he’s in charge of.
@lisabarnes924
@lisabarnes924 4 ай бұрын
9:32 a prime example of "When you're winning an argument, it's only a matter of time until someone starts talking like Sephiroth."
@redhalafta
@redhalafta 10 ай бұрын
never had neopets in my life but this sounds like a cool documentary
@agedstring
@agedstring 9 ай бұрын
Adam's entering the Discord of the very game he made and getting dunked is like if J.K. Rowling went into Tumblr, get into a 60 post thread comprised entirely of arguments between her and the very (former for most) Potterheads that used to consumed the media she made, and getting dunked left and right, proclaims she is the next Stephen King, and leaves Tumblr (including her account), all because Quidditch was being renamed to Quad Ball.
@Geo-iy4jw
@Geo-iy4jw 9 ай бұрын
I remember my mum used to play neopets, the original, I did have an account back then but never played it at all much, she would get up before work hop on, do her daily things like spin the wheel etc. she doesn't play anymore, but this hit me.
@loverrlee
@loverrlee 9 ай бұрын
I really hope Neopets has a Renaissance! I still love and play this game to this day. It would be nice to have some company haha 😂
@charliesgamingplace2371
@charliesgamingplace2371 10 ай бұрын
Yay! I’m really happy to see more neopets content, I love the other videos about it.
@solidgamer6160
@solidgamer6160 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely love this new style of content, informative with a story to tell and great editing to boot. So happy to see you here again
@undamaged-destiny
@undamaged-destiny 9 ай бұрын
Neopets team reached out to me too to repost one of my photos of my collection and then never posted it. They got me so excited to just rip it from under me. lol I never saw that drama with Adam ! That was NUTS! Great video. I have been a daily user since 2003. I’ll be here till the very end.
@finneganfox6470
@finneganfox6470 10 ай бұрын
One day Brightlegs will return! Hopefully everything goes well for the neopets team!
@Veran42
@Veran42 9 ай бұрын
I don’t know why but Tamago is one of the few people I can listen to talk about anything, the other being Matt Colville
@_lennard_lp
@_lennard_lp 10 ай бұрын
YES, no 8 month gap! Joke, this gap was worth it! I'm sure this video's going to be good as well!
@cosygracegames
@cosygracegames 3 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh this video is amazing, the Adam part went crazyy, I love the way the story is layed out, what an interesting history!! 😂
@Frosty_cheerios
@Frosty_cheerios 5 ай бұрын
“The original Neopets formula at this point has been outdated longer than it’s been in style”. So is RuneScape. It came out around the same time. But instead of nonsensical side projects and cash grabs, the team has stayed relatively focused and is doing better now than ever. Neopets had a case of the Kingdom Hearts effect.
@stupiditiusmaximus
@stupiditiusmaximus 10 ай бұрын
When the world needed him most... he came back...
@GeorgeOfGeorge
@GeorgeOfGeorge 10 ай бұрын
Tamago’s editing style and writing for his videos are so addicting to experience, makes me sad he's so infrequent but I don't mind too much. I often binge his videos every now and then to get my fix: scratching my neck and rubbing my fingers for the next video.
@pippinbambam
@pippinbambam 10 ай бұрын
A certified tamago2474 classic ⭐️ I loved all the music and sound effects you used in this video. I've never even played Neopets, but just from what I've seen and heard about it, the new owners owe it to the fans to return the game to its former glory. These browser style games are a thing of the past now, but it would be a shame to see them completely abandoned. I have faith that John Legend can save Neopets.
@theredeft5319
@theredeft5319 10 ай бұрын
Man never would my childhood self think this is what would become of neopets someday. I haven’t touched that website in decades, but I’m rooting for them a little. Seen the team at a few conventions, now, they are really trying to promote this. Hope they can make it fun for a new group of people. Thanks for these interesting videos about the topic.
@GFCOLCQuote
@GFCOLCQuote 8 ай бұрын
Maybe I'm in the wrong here, but I genuinely think that Neopets would benefit from turning purely mobile. You make sure all the games run on there, you make the map touch-interactive, I think it would be great. Most kids now-a-days are on tablets and phones, it's how most of them absorb their media. Neopets was on the PC because that was the only media it had. I think truly going mobile with the website would be the evolution it needs because it would be reaching out to the type of customer that wants it. The site does need to grow, much more than it has now, but it needs to grow up not out. This is out, and I feel like they're dynamite fishing. They're throwing out as much as they can and hoping their explosions yield results, and probably find which one(s) works the most and focus on that/them. I honestly wish Neopets would make a huge comeback. I was banned from it when I was 7 because I gave my password out to a website and got hacked when I was traveling to New york with an almost traumatic vividness. I never wanted to go back because I felt wronged, and knowing the site felt like it was on crutches for as long as it was didn't make me feel like it was worth my time when I cared enough to even remember it. Even so, I want it to come back. I want it to thrive, to live, to do better. I want to see Neopets live.
@cIeetz
@cIeetz 10 ай бұрын
Neopets deserves to get fixed up and be reborn. Its such a legendary icon to the gaming community and means so much to so many. So many people would come back to it if it got the love and affection it deserved from capable coders and programmers.
@sirlworthshorts
@sirlworthshorts 10 ай бұрын
I didn’t know how much I needed a surprise Tamago drop
@KennyFrierson
@KennyFrierson 10 ай бұрын
Neopets is like a cockroach living off a dim flame
@Karma20XX
@Karma20XX 9 ай бұрын
Crypto is like a cult. How do people get so deep into it???
@theunluckydev
@theunluckydev 4 ай бұрын
I was literally laughing out loud when tamago started hamming about how he has a position open as the brand ambassador for Draginz 💀
@Fluttershiez
@Fluttershiez 9 ай бұрын
NFTs and Crypto are not doing too well right now, so Adam has completely lost his mind. What a shame that he's so brainrotted now. I'm glad Neopets is stepping back from NFTs. Hopefully they won't continue to pursue them.
@ayo_chilt
@ayo_chilt 10 ай бұрын
My God when Tamago posts an actual video I go ballistic 🥲🧎🏾‍♂️
@Borninxixax
@Borninxixax 10 ай бұрын
Literally just remembered this channel for the first time in years and he uploaded a few hours ago. Feels good man
@Jekuyuytt6t5
@Jekuyuytt6t5 4 ай бұрын
The Neopets Playstation game The Darkest Faerie is SOOOOOOOOO GOOD… that is all.
@MarshiiNiakilo
@MarshiiNiakilo 10 ай бұрын
just had a bad morning and have been depressed but seeing this video made me light up.. ty tamago
@LaGrecquoise
@LaGrecquoise 10 ай бұрын
By the way Moshi Monsters is back as MMRewritten and works so well!!
@schroederluck7984
@schroederluck7984 7 ай бұрын
Can we take a minute and recognize how good Tamago looks in that color? What a crisp shirt. I'm sitting here telling myself "I'm straight, I'm straight, I'm straight... It's working!! 😮‍💨"
@tsukitanuki101
@tsukitanuki101 10 ай бұрын
I’m just happy YOU’RE back 💕
@TheInfamousLegend27
@TheInfamousLegend27 10 ай бұрын
i can't even imagine the disappointment of the community from the creators being boastful crypto bros. it's so unfathomable that i think it's only describable as 9th to 10th hand embarassment, which i never thought was possible lmao
@sgutowski58
@sgutowski58 10 ай бұрын
Haha I’ve commented on a couple of your videos recently hoping you make a return to neopets. I’ve been back on the site and really enjoying it as a 🎵 32 year old lady🎶. I’m sure a lot of that enjoyment can be attributed to nostalgia, but regardless, it’s a great time and I’m glad to see some of the recent efforts on the site.
@thephantomwolf1002
@thephantomwolf1002 3 ай бұрын
Your Neopets videos inspired me to make a new Neopets account last year
@user-yr8mu1ce1m
@user-yr8mu1ce1m 10 күн бұрын
Let’s be real: The downfall started when that hacker sold James’ sister that goddamn FAIRY PAINTBRUSH!
@pasta7697
@pasta7697 10 ай бұрын
Really appreciate the effort you put in your videos! Your editing and commentary is funny and top notch as always.
@prodstvrfire
@prodstvrfire 10 ай бұрын
the editing in this video is S tier
@SquareBlock5
@SquareBlock5 10 ай бұрын
Your neopets series were one of my favorite videos of your channel. Probably even more than your club penguin series. Its a bit sad to see it gone for good but im glad to see you talk about it one last time
@nugosaurus
@nugosaurus Ай бұрын
i'm from the future. neopets is doing a lot better. the plot is ongoing rn!!!
@itszeytroin__
@itszeytroin__ 10 ай бұрын
THIS GAME WILL NEVER DIE, BELIEVE ME
@NewWays2Die
@NewWays2Die 4 ай бұрын
I still play on and off for 20 years now lol
@hogrider5316
@hogrider5316 10 ай бұрын
HONEY WAKE UP TAMAGO JUST UPLOADED
@DigitalxGamer
@DigitalxGamer 10 ай бұрын
So to be completely fair about World of Neopets, it's not being made entirely from the ground up. It's reusing the assets that were being used for their crypto project before and repurposing them into an actual mobile game. And those assets look GREAT, so I'm really hopeful about that one. As an active user on the site, I can confirm that it is on an upward trend in terms of quality. I'm hoping that their new mobile game will lead to them getting the funding they need to maintain and give the site the bigger updates it desperately needs.
@poninefreak3321
@poninefreak3321 8 ай бұрын
It sure is nice to see Neopets make a comeback and I really hope it can stick around for a while longer. It’s been a favorite website of mine since I was a kid! ❤ (Also a Neopets cookbook sounds like a neat idea to me because there’s a lot of food items on the site I would love to try IRL, haha)
@ozthebeeman
@ozthebeeman 7 ай бұрын
No nft and a new era and nft bros taking the L. Man some of the best news I've heard in years
@ashleylightheart126
@ashleylightheart126 10 ай бұрын
tamago: I'm gonna talk about Neopets. KZbin: CLUB PENGUIN LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@splatpro957
@splatpro957 6 ай бұрын
Thats alot of turbulence
@yeeterlol
@yeeterlol 9 ай бұрын
neopets subreddit beef goes crazy 😭😭😭😭 club penguin private server beef aint this bad
@tombohawk
@tombohawk 10 ай бұрын
moment I saw the notiification for this video, had to immediately click on it lol
@CCClarinet12
@CCClarinet12 10 ай бұрын
THIS VID MADE ME WANT TO MAKE A NEOPETS ACC CUZ I DIDN'T GROW UP WITH THIS GAME BUT I WANTED TO TRY IT AND IT IS FUN LOL AND VERY 2000'S LOLOLOLOL
@blubberboomm1164
@blubberboomm1164 10 ай бұрын
Bo2 zombies music in the background respect 🤝
@blubberboomm1164
@blubberboomm1164 10 ай бұрын
AND KINGDOM HEARTS?!! GOAT
@muoitruong7031
@muoitruong7031 10 ай бұрын
Why is nobody talking about the cheery music in the video
@obsidianeyedgoddess1994
@obsidianeyedgoddess1994 5 ай бұрын
I wish Neopets would make more games where you can save your progress
@MoonieTheMenace
@MoonieTheMenace 10 ай бұрын
BRIGHTLEGS IS GONNA RETURN?
@polishedrelish
@polishedrelish 10 ай бұрын
8:16 I groaned instinctively and had it amplified by this lol
@leoskits5982
@leoskits5982 3 ай бұрын
Change the title to "The History of Neopets" or "What Happened to Neopets?" It'll get more views that way
@thomaszinecker1785
@thomaszinecker1785 9 ай бұрын
ugh i just want to play it as it was 25 yrs ago
@cartoonishidealism582
@cartoonishidealism582 10 ай бұрын
Bro I know you were joking about becoming a brand ambassador for Dragginz but given that you were contacted by the Neopets Metaverse team are you SURE you wanna tempt fate like this
@LoveAnimeLikeCrazy
@LoveAnimeLikeCrazy 8 ай бұрын
Ive had 2 accounts as an adult. One time i tried getting into shop refreshing. Learning of the attic and using a bot. Second account i got into the food club mostly. Wish they made it easier to recover accounts
@wiselion1
@wiselion1 10 ай бұрын
you uploaded this right as i started playing too!
@hatingstuff
@hatingstuff 8 ай бұрын
tamago is not the simpsons, penguin club, or neopets guy. he's that guy
@elzector
@elzector 10 ай бұрын
My god it’s been so long since Tamago actually uploaded, happy that he finally did
@FckYuWant
@FckYuWant 9 ай бұрын
Neopets and Habbo Hotel were the shit back in the day
@wendyhotchkiss7772
@wendyhotchkiss7772 9 ай бұрын
Crypto sucks. It's a scourge on this planet that's never going away 🤑🧐👀
@elle4768
@elle4768 10 ай бұрын
wow i am honored to have been in this video
@1vyKh4n
@1vyKh4n 10 ай бұрын
this was a next level ghost but hes ready to lovebomb us again🙏
@ShadowTheLight
@ShadowTheLight 10 ай бұрын
adam had a whole jerma bit moment.
@ShadowTheLight
@ShadowTheLight 10 ай бұрын
"michelangelo leonardo da vinci, they're all dead. i remain! you understand? i remain! as a performance artist!"
@Zach90888
@Zach90888 10 ай бұрын
Oh no, Tamago’s gonna get hacked again.
@Iceecat123
@Iceecat123 5 ай бұрын
Someone, get this to James! QUICK!
@ToriiKittii
@ToriiKittii 26 күн бұрын
Time for another neopets check in!!!! ❤❤❤
@jackuw
@jackuw 10 ай бұрын
Boi the Powells finna hack yo snapchat
@tamago2474
@tamago2474 10 ай бұрын
loooooooooool
@teaura
@teaura 10 ай бұрын
Neopets, everybodys favourite game!! 🎊 🎉🎉
@MitsubishiGTO
@MitsubishiGTO 10 ай бұрын
I'm a webkinz man through and through
@vnana2991
@vnana2991 10 ай бұрын
Love your humor!
@QuickGoldie
@QuickGoldie 4 ай бұрын
do little big planet next lol
@metalbob123
@metalbob123 10 ай бұрын
YES EGGMAN IS BACK!!
@aaronammann4236
@aaronammann4236 8 ай бұрын
Honestly I wouldn't mind the Neopia team to work on remastering their older games from the console and handheld systems. The Dark faerie being one of them.
@thebigcat2940
@thebigcat2940 10 ай бұрын
The tamagoat has returned!!!
@CoolCarter
@CoolCarter 10 ай бұрын
great video! haven't watched it yet, but I assume it's great
@eeeyrie
@eeeyrie 9 ай бұрын
Nitpick: the main part of ruffle isn't the extension as far as i know, the extension just loads the ruffle player
@NecromancyForKids
@NecromancyForKids 8 ай бұрын
Perfect way to show you have good intentions: Say that you like making people angry, hate everyone, and wish to destroy the things they love. Inspires confidence that they are going to better humanity.
@NecromancyForKids
@NecromancyForKids 8 ай бұрын
Also saying that humanity is going to go extinct because they don't want to purchase your grift product is hilarious.
@unsie
@unsie 10 ай бұрын
8:16 14 toes is a little overkill, dont you think?
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