Nepenthes nebularum: Controversial, Rare, and Mysterious

[@marcfrench3613]

The enthusiasm is dangerously contagious.

[@redleafexotics4722]

They get me going:)

[@lilremylote]

I just started collecting pitcher plants with no experience at all and I want to buy them all BUT! I don’t have the space for them right now. My first one is a Hamata/Robcantleyi and man I got my self In a situation haha 😂 I live in Tampa FL and is really hot here . I bough a new grow light, fish tank, lot of spag moss and HoPE!

[@ANTSPlantation]

Looks similar to nepenthes robcantleyi

[@redleafexotics4722]

Many people think so! But its all in those small details :)

[@redleafexotics4722]

@Gavin Tannish When you get a little more experience under your belt, you'll see it too:)

[@monke1919]

@Gavin Tannish no it's not, you can clearly tell the difference, I have only been growing cps for a couple months and I already can tell the difference

[@monke1919]

@Gavin Tannish they are clearly separate species, I can tell the differences. And I'm going to listen to actual professionals

[@REEE-ui4cy]

@@monke1919 everything we know about 'robcantleyi' is from inbred descendents of 2 plants any conclusive claims about the genetic variation of 'true' robcantleyi is bs I think nebularum only appears different because there's more genetic variation in cultivation i know that EP is selectively breeding the most different ones from rob too so there's obvious bias there some nebularums from places like BCP and AW look almost identical to the BE robcantleyi, which further solidifies my claim that they're the same thing and we just have no way of telling how much the original rob varies.some of the bcp ones look like intermediates between the BE and EP ones. The hair color is different from both, midrib is green with red blush (as opposed to green on BE and red on EP), and the peristome and pitcher shape seems to be somewhere in between the two. that's my hot take on nebularum vs robcantleyi.also with my knowledge on cactaceae, people in nepenthes are extremely extremely set on naming every single variation of a species as a separate thing just look at tephrocactus articulatus var papyracanthus and var diadematus. They look nothing alike

[@niksham9642]

Its just like Veitchii and Veitchii Bario or any other Veitchii only, the same thing, 1 squat and 1 longer shape. in the end, this is just Robcantleyi. Even veitchii come from diffrent places has abit diffrent in term of leaf, the small2 detail and etc, but veitchii is veitchii, and this is just another Robcantleyi

[@redleafexotics4722]

Not exactly. When you see mature plants in person, there Are notable differences. Even in the floral inflorescence. Neb produces very small flowers spikes compared to all the rob plants and much smaller in overall size. I understand what you mean tho and thankfully you can believe whatever you want. 🙂

[@pings_n_things]

Since rob/neb are so similar, it would be helpful to see the species side by side instead of just narrating the differences

[@redleafexotics4722]

If I had one, I’d do a comparison. Not a huge fan of tc, and most of them are. Also, they’ve never grown great for me.

[@waynecummins9713]

Much better with longer videos 📹 you are a very natural person behind the camera

[@zay_rat8942]

True, which is why he’s entertaining

[@redleafexotics4722]

thank you! I think passion leads the way ha... That's not to say we don't have 100 takes of one part sometimes!

[@zay_rat8942]

@@redleafexotics4722 it happens

[@zeraus.w.0512]

To add, none of the nebularums I have seen from Mt. Mayo had traps approaching the sizes known for either Nepenthes robcantleyi and N. truncata. These are consistently small plants, overall, in comparison.

[@redleafexotics4722]

Another good point! They are pretty small and compact compared to.

[@stayliftedgermany4041]

You do such a great Job 🤭🔥🫶🏼🇩🇪🤟🏼🇺🇸

[@GG.Fonzie]

I'm from the Philippines and I have successfully germinated more than 200 N. nebularum seeds. The seedlings are happily growing in my lowland-intermediate greenhouse :)

[@redleafexotics4722]

You’ll have plenty to drool over:) 😍

[@lemoneater6690]

you have a shop or something like in shopee, Filipino too is nebularum same as robcantleyi

[@gregbey9237]

That's such a beautiful Robcantleyi!!!

[@gregbey9237]

Jk

[@Puddlesyahomie]

Hmm. I’m glad you made this. Makes me sure it’s a rob. Can’t wait for mine to come in. Can cross rob/neb off my list! Thank you for the video!

[@redleafexotics4722]

Most Amateurs can’t see the difference and It takes time for the eye to grow 😉

[@vacciniumaugustifolium1420]

they look similar, but they are definitely not the same thing, its +/- like mira and rajah, both look similar, but once they reach full maturity, you dont get the same plant !

[@Puddlesyahomie]

@@vacciniumaugustifolium1420 I really do not understand how you could mix mira and rajah up. Even small pitchers on both species are distinct enough from each other. He is also not arguing seedlings, he is is showing an adult specimen in this video. None of the characteristics that he show are arguably enough to separate them. Pitcher variability is extremely common in Nepenthes like maxima and smilesii including size, shape, color, and hair. As someone whos grown a couple dozen nepenthes kampotiana and globosa out I can tell you that they are all different from one another. If you are talking leaves and growth habits why are we not splitting the low land, high land, and epiphytic veitchii into separate species? On top of that the fact that we are finding supposed robcantleyi x nebularum hybrids is proof enough that they are not in fact separate species. The big issue is that robcantleyi was described off only a few plants where as we have seen time after time that is a terrible idea with how variable these plants can be within a single species. Id love to see some genetic testing done on these two so that we can finally lay it to bed. Do not mistake my take from me hating the plants EP has because I do think the specimens he has are very beautiful but they are clearly robcantleyi. If you would like some photos of the incredible variance of nepenthes smilesii and how different 20 plants in the same population can look please do dm me and id love to send them over.

[@vacciniumaugustifolium1420]

@@Puddlesyahomie thats not my point at all... My point is even if they look almost identical (nebularum seems to get darker than rob but like you said their is variation) in term of size, robcantleyi is significantly larger, wich would definitely be notable in a collection... Also I was using rajah and mira simply because some people compare the 2 and the size gap is considerable between them. Never heard of Rob x nebarum, I guess its from EP?

[@Puddlesyahomie]

​@@vacciniumaugustifolium1420 I do not see size as a good enough reason when all the base characteristics are the same. Again I point the the size variance that maxima and smilesii can have in both the wild and in a collection. There are populations of nepenthes maxima that are small that do not fit the description of minima. I figured for your example that was the case and did not pursue mostly because again the video is talking about adult specimens and not mixing up a 4 inch plant. In the video Dom says that examples of the cross have been found naturally in the wild.

[@eleazaralvarez9304]

What a very beautiful plant. And also when will the next time that you update your website?

[@redleafexotics4722]

Thanks! This weekend;)

[@Unknown-jd8qo]

Wow! I never knew that we have that kind of beauty here in our country

[@redleafexotics4722]

Hi from Tennessee!

[@MBP97]

Sadly though, they are often poached and sold without permits on facebook marketplace

[@Unknown-jd8qo]

@@MBP97 well... True and thats why in our facebook group discourages people to buy poached plants especially rare carnivorous plants that's exclusively only available in those environment living peacefully

[@dakotahsimonson631]

Wow this is a great video for making sure your plant is what it is labeled 🤩

[@colegridley5779]

Awesome video Dominic my wife and I really enjoy watching your feed. Also we're super excited for our veitchii (m) coming from exotica thank you for all you do for the hobby. You have lifetime customers here in CT.

[@redleafexotics4722]

Thank you so much Cole, its really nice to hear that. The veitchii (m) are looking INSANE! We appreciate the love and support :)

[@geoffmansell1681]

Excellent Dom. :)

[@redleafexotics4722]

Thank you Geoff:)

[@skark3918]

i got a small one a few months ago ... cant wait to see it grow big !

[@Alessio_Susi]

How long does it take to get that big?

[@redleafexotics4722]

4-5 years

[@dedededfus7142]

Beautiful spécies

[@T0PAZE]

Amazing!!!

[@zay_rat8942]

It’s alright, Dom, never feel rushed making a video

[@redleafexotics4722]

tank you!

[@behappy12355]

Lovely ❤️

[@Ewitshim]

Great video! a pure Nebularum has been my dream plant for a long time and I finally got to order one from Florae on their new drop. It's the most money I spent on a plant so I'm really nervous about accidentally killing it. But the care tips in this video I'm confident that I can keep it happy. Thank you!

[@alemantropical5625]

Hello Dom, the rob-hybrid you are showing at the end. What hybrid is it? Is it a robcantlyi x ovata? Great Video, thank you!

[@vincecortejo9347]

This is local in our country, very hard to find and need some permits where this plant grow

[@lilremylote]

10:37 that Ant turning into food 😛

[@strayargus9382]

Love your collection and knowledge you share! I’ve just gotten into adopting some beginner Nepenthes and I’m inspired!

[@duncanpage1556]

Love It! You know your Neps Dom Hello from Alberta

[@beartoe08]

Is your favorite pokemon a Victreebel?

[@redleafexotics4722]

It has to be! ha

[@ScaryFear]

I hadn't noticed you missed one. Post when you feel like. I've been on youtube since 2007 and always post when I feel like or have time. Good watchers will be patient and not demanding. Thank you for explaining this. I had seen seller posting stuff with both names. I thought there was a name change war going on ha ha. The cactus community I think is the worst for renaming over and over and not making up their minds. Good to know there are two different species.

[@gabumonboys]

OMG! I see your beautiful platycerium in the background!!!

[@redleafexotics4722]

Yes 😊

[@Wattheheeelll]

Wow! That looks like nepenthes truncata for some reason...lol

[@redleafexotics4722]

Maybe truncata looks like it.. haha

[@guillettoaparicio13]

Nice specie and a wonderful video! I have two questions. First one, you talk about CP newsletter. What’s that? The second one, and maybe it is a newbie question. You say usually some nepenthes don’t tolerate too much light, as leaves turn red. I have some nepenthes who have suffered blushing and I thought that was positive, like a positive signal of nepenthes’ happiness! Do I reduce light to all of these nepenthes? Maybe to some of them? Which ones so? Thank you!

[@redleafexotics4722]

The Carnivorous Plant newsletter is sent out to members quarterly I believe. If you google it, it should pop up. The magazine they send out usually has a lot of interesting info on CP's. It's great! Blushing on the leaves is totally fine. If they get too much light you'll know they aren't having it. If the leaves are reddish and too small of pitchers, usually too much light. Hope that helps! Thanks!

[@KENTOSI]

Does your nursery allow visits? It's so damn beautiful!

[@redleafexotics4722]

Thank you! Yes we do! By appointment only so if you plan on visiting, please call ahead and let us know :)

[@brandonpollard8928]

Nice question! I didn't know!! I live in GA im definitely visiting soon

[@KENTOSI]

@@redleafexotics4722 very good to know. Thank you!

[@beartoe08]

Can you please do a video on most commonly crossed nepenthes and their characteristics that separate them from one another?

[@fauxyeahjandy]

Me taking notes! 📓 📝

[@monke1919]

I love dark nepenthes. My only dark one I have right now is a little ramispina x robcantleyi

[@agpizz]

wtb a queen seedling send me a pm!!

[@csikanakiske4669]

​ @Bloody Puddles Genetic testing is a very good idea. Unfortunately for your argument, it has been done. Dom mentions that neb always passes trough their purple colour to it's hybrids, while rob doesn't. Which means that neb is homozygous for that gene, and rob is heterozygous, which likely means that rob is of hybridogenic origin. Look up basic mendelian genteics, and the characteristics of F1 and F2 hybrids.

[@83hershays]

We still have pure neb.... Yey

[@redleafexotics4722]

😍