Poise: Dark Souls 3 vs Dark Souls 1 (REMASTERED) - the good, the bad or the ugly?

[@brokenlordofcinder4128]

How to poise starter pack 1. Endurance 2. Havel armour 3. Drink estus while artorius front flip slams you

[@erickec5462]

Lt col brother shock trooper *noiice*

[@melon4345]

Pathetic...

[@lususnaturae881]

"Poise is a good thing" *2 million poise backstabs later* "Backstabs are broken" *removal of backstabs in bb* "Backstabs are good!" Lul.

[@ashmitpattnayak8060]

Backstabs weren't removed in Bb

[@lususnaturae881]

@@ashmitpattnayak8060 getting a backstab in bb pvp isn't really a reality.

[@notaperson1487]

@@lususnaturae881 lmao, yes try to full charge a hit and pull it off in bb pvp

[@anthonypeabodycritoph401]

When you were talking about the fact the DkS3 PvP is seen by many people as stale, it raised an interesting point in my mind. When people are discussing whether 1 or 3 has better PvP, you often hear the same incredibly reductive statements repeated as nauseum. For instance, you'll see hardcore DkS1 fans saying that DkS3 PvP is all about unskilled passive play and R1 spamming. On the other hand, DkS3 players frequently accuse DkS1 of being not much more than people using exploits to screw each other over with one shot backstabs and the like. While these statements are mostly just gross over-simplifications that ignore the subtleties of both systems, I'd say it does hint at an interesting dichotomy that exists below the surface of the argument: that your preference for either game's PvP depends on whether you find balance/consistency or variety/inconsistency more important to your enjoyment of the game (e.g. DkS1 players are willing to put up with the broken mechanics because it gives the gameplay more depth in their eyes).

[@freedomred2472]

Well said.

[@ShadowNetBG]

Yeah, but can you poise through chain backstabs?

[@brmbltbr4]

You don't need to, there's ways to avoid chain backstabs.

[@lususnaturae881]

Atno Mornlodan lul and there are ways to counter chain escapes.

[@brmbltbr4]

hm'st

[@heminehemine4758]

Every time I see smth like "lul this is broken and has no counters" I wanna ask, have you even try to actually learn the game? There're lots of the guides, even on youtube. You can just type "dark souls chain backstabs" and boom - here you go, educational video which covers both how to do it and how to counter it. But I guess it's too hard, because it requires to do 10 seconds research instead of complaing on youtube comments/reddit/steam forums for 7 years.

[@neptunusequester]

Chain Backstabs are the most fun mechanic since 1999. Unsure why people complain... maybe because instead of doing shit they have to use their head smth IF all other guides on the internet are not enough for ya - then dw, I'll be making one as well. Got ya covered mate :P

[@tomfoolery7797]

I really mis poise in ds3. Removing single player features because of multiplayer has always rubbed me the wrong way.

[@kayqueelson1761]

Not just the poise, but the OP rings, OP consumables, OP weapons, OP Miracles/Sorcerys/Pyromances. Thats why I love the PVE from DS1, you can be so overpower.

[@CNFrostXY]

@@kayqueelson1761 That's such a dumb thing to say, missing the entire point of the game design. Just use CE if you only care about being OP in PVE. Or better, go play some other game.

[@kayqueelson1761]

@@CNFrostXY I think you didn't play DS1 to say that nonsense. The fact that you make your DS1 character OP doesn't mean the game is broken. After all, to be OP is not something you get in the first playthrough, because: 1. You don't know what equipment is good. 2. You don't know how to acquire this equipment. 3. In the first NG, your character will end up with approximately level 70 (not exactly a level to make your character very strong). I managed to get my character OP at the end of NG+2 (I had to play the game three times for that). DS1 has the best PVE of the entire series. DS2 and DS3 in an attempt to make things more "balanced" for PVP, made most of the items weak/useless for PVE.

[@iamamish]

I never did PvP in DS 1 and am very interested to see how it plays out. Thanks for making this informative vid. Standing poise is such a game-changer.

[@DESUstroke]

In my opinion the best way to make good poise mechanic would be taking DkS2 poise with not so overpowered breakpoints and give it DkS1 style 4 seconds full reset. Or to put it up simplier: essentially just rewamping breakpoints would be good enough for DkS3. But who even cares about it now lol

[@brmbltbr4]

Your discord noises made me panic... XD

[@neptunusequester]

I spotted them way too late, didn't hear them when mixing... probably because they were isolated XD

[@Lady-Santiago]

While I generally have a distaste towards DS1 poise in general, I do understand that it makes your equip load much more important, and if it weren't for the ninja flip ring, I believe the thought process for creating a build would be much more stale. High poise not being a goal for every build keeps the game from becoming pigeons trying to trade hits constantly. I do think the poise system in DS1 would be much weaker without that rings' inclusion.

[@neptunusequester]

DkS 1 as it is in a very weird equilibrium. Which is why I'm hella happy that they didn't change much.

[@jasonhymes3382]

As opposed to dark souls 3 where you proccess for creating a build is so fresh everytime. You can choose between a nimble fast rolling guy with a big weapon or a fast rolling guy with a small weapon. So much variety. Perhaps you might even be a nimble fast rolling girl with magic weapons. The possibilities are endless, truly.

[@eliasbonafe9236]

@@jasonhymes3382 mmmm I don't know. I don't think I agree with you. If you made a build about the poise you gain the ability to resist to the enemies attacks. So instead of rolling you should tank those attacks and stun your enemies. If you can't tank them you can roll. If intead you use a fast weapon you simply cannot tank enemies attacks for the most part, and heavy armors will just defend you better. So you are forced to dodge. Different type of weapon and different way to play the builds.

[@HieronymousLex]

What annoys me about ds3 is that poise basically doesn’t exist. You stagger to everything but your enemies in pve do not. Super armor only comes late in your swing and enemies have quick startups and attack in groups. So using quick weapons becomes a must if you want to punish your enemies. Huge weapons with slow speeds are more viable in ds1’s system. What they should have done was taken DS1’s system and decreased the poise values. Balance out the poise numbers and tweak the poise regen rate so heavy armor isn’t as strong. Would’ve been a better solution

[@neptunusequester]

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[@JahIthBer]

i knew you would be super hyped since they changed almost nothing in the pvp lol

[@neptunusequester]

TWOP + WOTG setups inc.

[@JahIthBer]

as soon as i got to anor londor my first invader was a WOTG+PW. lol god i love this game

[@Lickiecat]

You sound like that mage from skyrim

[@mushi7434]

I never knew Farengar played Dark Souls

[@parjsl5k]

There's going to be so many complaints starting the 25th once first-timers experience poise/backstabs. It's good to see that the better/tourney players from Dark Souls 2 and 3 embrace the mechanics in Dark Souls 1 though.

[@gabri9886]

you contradict your self and you are utterly wrong. You mentioned how poise lets one get away with mistakes in dks1 and then say u can set up combos? that contradicts my dude. There are no combos in dks1 as it only means u get ur ass poise backstabbed if u try to attack more than one r1. The only souls with proper combos is dks3 due to how poise works, r2s, and wa, which apparently u dont know about since all u know is neutral estoc r1. Sure neutral game is strong, but i think ur still stuck in 2016 of the game. The game has changed and there are many ways to fight neutral passive players. To me ur just sounding like the perfect bandwagon dks1 rider tbh

[@TwilightEcho12]

Missed your souls content 👏

[@Basscannon90]

Ah yes, the TRUE poise, at my side all along.

[@therubbishpicture9665]

Well I agree they should make poise better in dark souls 3 but not as good as dark souls 1 because who likes being stun lock by a person who is one handing a great sword? I mean really it two shots you or three shots you also this is happening while they are stun locking you it is really annoying and also meta is more intense than all of the over dark souls games like the community says “that’s not that’s not meta” then you ask “then what is meta?” Then they say “oh like two builds” and that is why dark souls 3 combat isn’t the greatest but I still like the game though.

[@darklurker5716]

"Poise done right" Lmfao,there are lots of specific attacks,and mobs or bosses,that bypass your poise. I agree ds1 poise is good in comparison to ds3. But It is bad in comparison to ds2 poise.

[@blackknight3756]

One of the best ways i can see the poise system being balanced more is restricting armour to pieces from only one or two sets so you cant just go havel chest, smough legs, thorn gauntlets and black knight helm just to beef poise and Damage res. and also restrict the use of light fast moving weapons in heavy armour so that you cant just stun lock light armour people by tanking their first attack and then spamming them

[@ForeverLaxx]

>backstab fishing >interesting pvp Ah, I love DS1 people. Watching two people trying to poise through hits/rubbing up against each other in order to get a backstab (to then chain them against the poor bastard) is not "interesting" PvP. Having to mind your spacing, your attack/defense windows, and taking advantage of an opponent's mistake is actually interesting combat. Understanding your weapon as well as your opponent's weapon are actively rewarded. DS3 PvP combat isn't perfect by any means, mostly due to the glut of stamina recovery, but it's *way* more interesting and engaging than DS1 PvP. Only those locked in the past tend to say otherwise.

[@neptunusequester]

You have to do everything you mentioned in DkS1 as well. Watch any tournament footage - very little of it revolves around backstabs. However, as I've said it billion times before - the addition of 500 rolls effectively kills everything you named in DkS3. Who gives a shit about spacing and 'defense' when you can mash B and ask questions later. As far as 'understanding the weapon' argument goes, DkS1 has MUCH more interesting builds and setups, whereas all that DkS3 offers is R1 with 5 different weapons :/ I think I made enough videos talking about small things that would've made DkS3 infinitely more fun - too bad as it is its eh ugh ooh :/

[@ForeverLaxx]

Careful. Your bias is flourishing.

[@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox]

Same could be said about yours. PvP in ds3 is a very flawed experience and there's a reason it died quickly compared to ds1 and ds2 pvp.

[@ForeverLaxx]

I never said it was good. I even said it wasn't perfect. But it's more engaging than DS1 PvP was, regardless of the rose-tinted glasses. It "died quickly" because old players didn't like being unable to force hits due to the lack of a poise system they were accustomed to, and new players never bothered to git gud so they quit.

[@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox]

It died quickly simply because it wasnt fun. And there's been countless videos explaining why ds3 pvp wasnt fun compared to the other games including on this very channel. If a game is fun it florishes if it's not it dies

[@Mr_Boss_Smile]

If DS1 had more high poise damaging weapons then poise wouldn't be so over powered as it is today. The thing is most of the blunt weapons in DS1 are just starter weapons no one uses after level 100. There would be more people using poise damaging weapons that fit their playstyle and poise wouldn't be nearly as effective. I believe poise in DS1 is perfect but not enough ways to combat it.

[@CNFrostXY]

'I believe poise in DS1 is perfect but not enough ways to combat it.' That's a self-contradictory statement.

[@Mr_Boss_Smile]

@@CNFrostXY yeah no, poise was perfect. they just didn't add many anti-poise weapons to combat it.

[@trslim6032]

Honestly, I'd just remove backstabs from players to players completely. Maybe just add like 15% bonus damage from the back or something.

[@arawnwolf5772]

backstabs broken as always

[@ytmndan]

Add a Public reply When you can backstab from the front, the mechanic is broken. Just because you like to abuse the broken mechanic doesn’t means it’s not a broken mechanic.

[@biterness2323]

@Add a Public reply It is broken and it goes against everything that is presented in the combat of Dark Souls. There is no anticipation when you are backstabbing someone since it happens instantly. Dark Souls' combat is all about observing and reacting to the move set of your enemies which include anticipation/wind up before the attack. Instant backstabs literally break everything about it since it is so easy to pull out and gives a player an opportunity to cheese most enemies. It feels broken and unnatural both in PvP and PvE. It also destroys any semblance of play styles since it is the most dominant one for how easy it is. A good PvP offers a balanced experience around all fighting styles, it wouldn't prioritize the combat around one type of fighting preference.

[@brmbltbr4]

I just can't help but like the DS3 pvp... I just like the faster pace and smooth animations.

[@neptunusequester]

DkS1 is faster paced, but as far as animations go - I'd say - yes, DkS3 is the king.

[@robertharris6092]

Mind as well play bloodbourne then.

[@PhilTruthborne]

The release will be such a salt fiesta Poise for life bois, level that endurance or go home

[@g1370]

Good video. Looks like the Dark Souls Remaster is going to be legit. Though I was kinda mad at removal of dead angles, as irrational as that is. Guess I'm keeping a pocket shotel in invader builds.

[@neptunusequester]

Dead Angles were a lot more of a gimmick than people admit. It was never a real way to deal with turtling and the only thing that actually did benefit from DA was WOTG cancel setup. If you want to beat turtles the OG way learn to barrel roll with a piece of thorns armour.

[@g1370]

neptunusequester It was so satisfying dead angling someone with a power within+crystal weapon greatclub R2. Never dug into DkS1 dueling too deeply and mostly invaded. So I'm looking forward to learning some things from your content.

[@xcritic9671]

I don't play pvp I'm just wondering which game has the best mechanics overall. P.S. I really hate the buffering in remaster, does anybody know how to deactivate it?

[@DarkBloodSouls]

1:53 the legend never dies eh

[@robertharris6092]

Honestly. they should of never added backstabs. its just a bad idea as a whole.

[@qwormuli77]

DS2 had them implemented well. More consistent netcode with the startup animation made them plausible punishes, but not the butt pursuit of DS1.

[@josephs9654]

Should I buy DS3 or DSR anyone know

[@cmoneytheman]

both

[@canismajoris6733]

After ds3 and 2 going to play 1 for the first time feels like a parody of the other two when it comes to pvp.

[@caleb5257]

Chaos Zh Usword maxed. Full iron maxed. Black helm maxed. Stamina just enough with have to not fat roll. Dumped rest in hp. GG.

[@Coldest_No717]

Good video lad

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

Havent watched yet, but I love you for your straightforwardness. Will watch and comment on your thoughts with my own on this matter. Right. Poise. I can see from a fighting game perspective how neutral poise can add depth in a game, but at the same time with how back stabs and parries work in dark souls og it could also be more than a nuisance. I personally prefer if a well-timed attack with a large weapon can HA through a small one, over a fast one outtrading a large one in the case of neutral poise, but I supose were dealing with either being a passive fuck or a headless chicken. That said, I have never considered dks as a good fightng game, and I am thankful they didnt try to make it like one. I guess if a good dueling game is what one is looking for, this series just isnt it. I wont be buying remaster, not with how bandai decides to run their business. I will however watch your contents on remaster, maybe techs as well. I know you got shitty uzbekistani interweb, which is why you dont tournament, but I still think the chaos and spontaneity of invasions is the true core of dark souls pvp gameplay.

[@justinramirez8776]

High level PvP is basically just who can back stab who in dark souls 1 I'd rather deal with people using great magic shield on a great shield and turtle up the entire fight

[@lincolnprestes7617]

Yeah, done right. Havels R1 spam darkmoon falchion baby

[@darklurker5716]

Backstab

[@thegoose8663]

They could just make it weaker... but no... they just turned it off.

[@Njumkiy]

Lol everyone already switched back

[@roon568]

I started with Dark Sould 3 and then dark souls 2 and endend with dark Souls Remasterd

[@m4nuz]

what is your favorit?

[@cuervorojo2000]

🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@neptunusequester]

Indeed.

[@theflo0456]

🤔🤔🤔

[@lususnaturae881]

"Combos" Yet ds1rm removes them.. Lol.