Firearms & Explosives in the 2024 Dungeon Master's Guide | Nerd Immersion

[@ryanflake3481]

Just as a side note, as someone with Muzzleloader experience, saying you can get off a shot every 6 seconds is already generous to the point of absurdity. Anything more than that abandons all pretense of an effort at simulating reality. Its a game, so y'know, do what feels fun. But just know that if you were trying to accurately represent a muzzleloader there would likely be a couple rounds needed to focus on reloading between each shot. Kinda like a crossbow.

[@johnfree1717]

Graze makes way more sense for a shotgun

[@EpicRandomness555]

It is pretty much a shotgun’s purpose

[@Ralathym]

It would be the only ranged weapon with graze, wich is unique!

[@ElocNodnarb]

2d8 damage implies a slug rather than birdshot, so when you think about it that way, Push makes sense. If it had Birdshot, then a cone wig smaller damage and Graze would make way more sense.

[@TheRealWilliamWhite]

​@ElocNodnarb with the range it would be buckshot, so it should have graze. But really shotgun should have (atleast) three different types of damage. Maybe slug does 2d8 range 120/360 with push, Buckshot does 3d8 range 60/180 with graze, Birdshot 2d6 range 30/90 with cleave and advantage on small and flying creatures.

[@Hyruler]

I feel like Push is accurate for close range... And Graze should be applied for longer ranges.

[@neoman4426]

Dynamite really shouldn't be dealing Force damage, Force damage is called out as explicitly magical in the description of what it is both in 5e and 5.5. Bludgeoning or Thunder (or a mix) would make more sense I think, though neither is perfect

[@kuma_hello]

Thunder damage sounds right for sure. i alway imagiend the Shatter spell to be like an explotion

[@neoman4426]

@@kuma_hello Yeah, Thunder felt closer overall to me too. Only problem I really have with it is being in an area of the Silence spell or similar effect gives Immunity which doesn't feel quite right. And looking up the 5e version it was Bludgeoning in the old DMG

[@victormahnic685]

you say that the Burst Fire damage is rolled twice and applied to every creature that failed - it actually says ONCE

[@zhornlegacy7936]

had to do a double take when I heard Ted say that. kept scanning the text wondering if I was missing something not on screen

[@EpicRandomness555]

Honestly, a Western campaign with bow and crossbows being mostly replaced with guns sounds really fun

[@Automatonation]

I'm actively working on developing a magitech Old West campaign for my home game.

[@jacobharper9236]

​@@Automatonation keep at it, sounds cool

[@nicka3697]

I don't know why you would use DND for the ruleset for a western or modern campaign. You are giving yourself a lot of work and after tier 1 believability is out of the window. Taking multiple bullets to knock a human down to zero and then they literally sleep off all the effects. It's a game I suppose but if I crit with a gun I want to kill a humanoid, maybe not a dragon or a giant but certainly a human.

[@michaelcolon4162]

@@nicka3697so a bullet is too much but creatures can survive a 5 foot greatsword to the face? Yeah makes sense LOL

[@EpicRandomness555]

@ The fact that a human in D&D can take multiple sword hits is ridiculous. By later levels, humans player characters have 10x the health of a Commoner, or even more. None of it makes any sense, it’s just for fun. So just shut up.

[@renard2195]

Two corrections according to what's on the screen: 1. Burst Fire said to roll the damage once, whereas thou hast said to roll it twice; 2. Grenades, only the Dynamite Sticks, the Grenade Launcher and the Frag grenade are priced as Rare Magic Items, since all the others already have associated prices; Thirdly, (more a correction for WotC), but how the heck does a Dynamite does Force damage, the metaphysical quintessence of magic, or a clearly define in the 5.24 PHB : Pure. [freaking] Magical. Energy! Force damage is not a tangible substance (and I'm tired of sources, including official ones) that give it the strenght of Newtons. I fully understand that they wanted to differenciate the dynamite from the bomb by not dealing Fire again, but there is already thre damage type that deals with applying pressure : does it pinpoint a specific point? yes : piercing. Does the surface of contact is much wider? yes Bludgeoning. Or is the pressure in the form of concussive wave without needing physical contact? yes Thunder. And as such I would believe that thunder would make sense for the Dynamite Stick, especially considering the sound it make when carving a road thourgh a hill.

[@renard2195]

Also, I agree that the shot-gun make no sense.

[@jakethejax]

The grenade launcher having an effective range of 1000ft seems insane to me, no other weapon has such a long range outside of siege weapons. Makes me think of it as more of mortar launcher than a hand held grenade launcher.

[@moxopal675]

I've shot hand held grenade launchers in the military and they are accurate to roughly 300 meters and can shoot to 450 metere. If anything the range given is a bit too small

[@avengingblowfish9653]

This came up in a recent game... A Vial holds 4 ounces. A Vial of Acid deals 2d6 damage. A player wanted to know if that meant a Barrel of Acid (40 gallons) could do 640d6 Acid damage. I told them no, it doesn't work like that, but I'm glad that the mechanics on bundling sticks of Dynamite reinforce the point that damage does not scale up linearly like that.

[@SarJulem]

Variant rules to change the type of weapon mastery of a weapon/ammo if you craft it yourself? Example: Custom Shotgun: - Birdshot (graze/cleave) - Buckshot (push/slow) - slug (Topple/Push)

[@minikawildflower]

I'd be down to let an artificer use the futuristic weapons, fueling the energy cells with their spell slots, since artificer spell slots already represent a sort of magical crafting.

[@DavidVincent-f5l]

The energy cell could be refilled by ritual and spell scrolls. Treat it like a making a magic item. The grenade's should also have a automatic force rating applied.

[@alexandercross9081]

Potato mashers are concussion grenades, not frags. They should do force or thunder damage with a smaller area.

[@burtmillard9196]

Here’s one explanation for the shotgun’s ammo, it could slug-based instead of pellet-based

[@ElocNodnarb]

2d8 makes much more sense for a slug than as birdshot.

[@burtmillard9196]

@ I know, right?

[@TheRealWilliamWhite]

It's called a Shotgun for a reason, it shoots Shot, Slugs should be the exception. It should have multiple types of shells.

[@TheMuseForge]

Just looked up Jerry Charles Miculek Jr. "Additional accomplishments include rapid-firing 12 shots (including one quick reload) from a six-shooter in 2.99 seconds, fast-shooting six shots in .98 seconds from a handheld Barrett M107, and a 1000-yard off-hand shot with his 9mm Smith & Wesson revolver." So that's 6 shots in one second with a Smith & Wesson revolver. 🤠

[@samchelms]

It’s worded kind of vaguely, but it could be interpreted that the explosives without a cost are the only ones that are treated like rare magic items.

[@Gareth79]

That’s how I read it. No cost = magic item.

[@NerdImmersion]

Definitely could make more sense

[@dragoninthewest1]

Reloading a revolver is pretty easy since they have speed loaders. We saw Percy use one in Legend of Vox machina

[@TearDownGenesis]

Shotgun isn't necessarily a spread, it depends on what you're using for ammunition. Seems like they are going for slug, rather than shot. Push is also good since it makes it hard for the target to reach you, so that is why Shotgun could be the same damage as a revolver.

[@brilobox2]

You’d be surprised how little real shotgun shot actually spreads out. Its asically just birdshot that goes everywhere after 50ft.

[@cjlee6782]

The keg and the powder horn are the main ways of storing gunpowder. And yet there is no explanation of how many shots you can get out of either one.

[@jewfrogabe19]

Sounds like one less thing to keep track of. I'm not counting arrows now. But if you do have players that like keeping track of that stuff. Less say 1lb of powder = 20 shots. ( A shotgun shell usually has about .75oz) So one horn is 40 shots. Seems reasonable.

[@kuma_hello]

i Agree, this info should be privoded for those who wises to track ammo. Also, how much does a bullet cost??

[@celas1959]

Muzzle loader you're looking at three rounds a minute, tops. Two is more likely, if memory serves.

[@DeadmanwalkingXI]

Three was typical, some people could probably do a bit more, but we're talking like 4-5, not the 10 per minute that one per turn gets you. A breech loader is more like 8-10 rounds a minute and probably a better assumption for the default weapons. And not completely out there thematically since there have been some breech loaders since the 14th century.

[@celas1959]

@@DeadmanwalkingXI Sure, but those didn't use a modern cartridge if they're the ones I'm thinking of. They'd still need a flash pan to be primed and that'd slow the process a lot.

[@DeadmanwalkingXI]

@@celas1959 Right, which is why they were 8-10 shots per minute...modern rifles, even bolt action ones, can beat that.

[@timjackson9334]

Honestly, they forgot one important item. Bayonet! Bonus action to attach, then you have a spear. By itself it's a dagger.

[@shixter]

Shotgun: I would do Shotgun with a (15 or) 20 foot cone and 1d8 for each creature within the cone. Perhaps go 2d10 for point blank (within 5 feet and preventing the cone to spread)(probably w advantage too for point blank)

[@celas1959]

That's not how real world shotguns worth though. Despite what games would like people to think. The pellets do spread out, but not nearly that far.

[@mikeg8564]

​@celas1959 this is dnd, real shotguns don't matter. What matters is portraying the fantasy, and cone or extra damage is the shotgun fantasy

[@celas1959]

@@mikeg8564 It's *your* shotgun fantasy. Not mine.

[@EpicRandomness555]

What’s funny about the futuristic weapons is, it’s not hard to imagine them as magical. Some ancient magical civilization made weapons that channel light magic into a beam to be used by the every man. Kinda how the Fizbanz Topaz gun is. They have cross bows, just replace the bow with anti matter lol

[@minikawildflower]

I wouldn't mind at allletting an Artificer use the futuristic weapons, and agree with the player on a way to fuel the energy cells with their spell slots.

[@Major_Lag]

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C. Clarke

[@brilobox2]

@@Major_Lag ‘any sufficiently described magic is indistinguishable from technology’ - some other guy

[@anonymouse2675]

You mean just like the Lucent Destroyer from Glory of the Giants? Musket, very rare, This magic weapon is a triple-barreled bronze musket. You gain a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. It requires no ammunition, its damage is radiant instead of piercing, and it doesn’t have the loading property.

[@tridentgreen3346]

My (remaining) artificer is an explosives nut, I gave him an item that lets explosives he crafts use his artificer save DC and everyone can toss them as part of the attack action like a normal attack. I also have slightly different prices for his crafting partially due to smokepowder being decently available and the party has stockpiled a ton.

[@vincentcriscitelli8008]

When using musket style rifles your loading time is at best about 30-60 seconds. Via Springfield armory reenactment displays.

[@adronius147]

You can definitely reload a musket in less time than that, I'd say one shot every two rounds is not _too_ far off from reality, especially considering that D&D adventurers range from elite combatants to demigods. They're not performing by average standards.

[@fernandoleyvaperez143]

I think that when they tell you to treat them as Rare Magic items is not about the cost, but the availability (ift its a village, town, city). It doesnt make sense listing the prices just after that sentence

[@joshh7819]

Id give the auto rifle 2 abilities. Change the current burst fire to suppressive fire and increase its ammo consumption to 15 rounds. Re-work burst fire to be 3 single shot. It will cause a stacking -5 accuracy penalty to each subsequent shot. You can reduce this penalty by 2 for every extra attack you character would normally get. Example. Lvl 4 fighter. Gets a 3 shot burst. First shot -0 Second shot -5 Third shot -10. Lvl 5 fighter First shot -0 Second shot -3 Third shot -6 For those that think burst fire is useless at later levels, youd be correct. Even in the military the best shooters dont use 3round burst fire unless they are wanting a specific action. We can lan 3 to 5 shot more accurately while moving with single shot vs burst. When you burst, you'll always lose accuracy, while the single shot can be more accurate for just either the same time or a smidge longer time.

[@SHADOWSTRIKE1]

I think the shotgun should have like +2 to hit to account for the wider pellet spread. Or give it a cone of effect like a breath weapon.

[@mawagreenfoo]

1.How does a ship battle with cannons work in dnd? 2.Or a single cannon on land vs walls? 3. Ship cannons vs Castle 4. Dropping blackpowderkegs from an airship on a castle. Would that be effective against castles?

[@felixrivera895]

I think that modern firearms and artillery allow martial characters to catch back up with magical characters. A Fighter with any of the firearms described is insane.

[@kuma_hello]

I read it as "treat the explosives without a cost as Rare magic items" but i migth be wrong. Also, I find it a bit weird that you can buy a bomb but not dynamite sticks...

[@bearcat1868]

Similar to how the rifle had a Burst Fire mode, I think it wouod be fun to have different damage profiles for Shotgun (Slug) and Shotgun (Pellet), and use the longer single target stats+Push for slug, and a shorter range/cone?/Graze or Cleave or something .

[@scasimir1000]

I believe that I'm going to do weapons like it stated in his video I would do it under the premise of the anime coffin princess I believe they brought weapons into a fantasy setting quite well. When it came to bullets you have to have a special bullet in order to do any damage to creatures as well as the more powerful weapons you have to simply have either created or found in the world.

[@joshvwvd]

@Nerd Immersion earlier in the video you made the remark how if looking at it realistically you wouldn't really find it feasible from a real life point to fire a musket more than once in a 6 second period I have this in the other way with the amount of attacks a fighter can make because I have definitely seen people land at least 10 substantial hits with a sword within a 6 second period, but as you later said game mechanics aren't physics. additionally I think for the shotgun it might be cool to have it have the burst as its default shot have the overal damage remain the same but make it so that it hits all creatures in like a 5 ft cube

[@ericpeirce5598]

For the Shotgun, I would add the Graze property, make the Push property only apply if the target is within 10' and have the damage scale with closer range, increasing to 2d10 within 10' and decreasing to 2d6 beyond 30'. Even the sharpshooter feat shouldn't allow someone to do full damage with a shotgun at someone 90' away. LOL. I'm a realist when it comes to modern weapons, but I definitely don't see a problem with just using the rules as written for simplicity either.

[@BLynn]

So, the shotgun could be either slug/ball versus birdshot, so wouldn't the weapon property depend more on the ammunition instead of the weapon in this particular case. Maybe you could switch the property depending on the ammunition you use?

[@davecamp6927]

I made a blunderbuss for a campaign, I think it was 3d8 damage with 15/45 or 20/60 range.

[@rolay7730]

Remember, just because muzzle loaded Flint Lock was popular didn't mean it was the best. The 1630 Kalthoff repeater had 30 shots and automatically added gunpowder to all the needed parts.

[@under20over40]

Weapon mastery properties would not trigger on Burst fire actions because mastery properties require a hit specifically

[@DmDungeonMastery]

The shotgun should shoot in a cone and maybe deal 2d6 damage, unless a creature is within 5ft in which case it could deal double the damage to simplify it.

[@mikebentley1601]

With the firearms and explosives, my first thought it some kind of outside agency providing firearms and explosives to the evil empire. The PCs getting access via beating enemies and having limited ammo because of it.

[@fortunatus1]

Shotguns should have two ammo types: solid slug = push; buckshot = graze.

[@jota4491]

Just a lil thing Man, (time stamp 14:36) i do get your point and i do agree that Bombs should be avaiable for marcials and the like, but the text says that only the cost-less explosives should be treated as magic items, not all of them. That Said, i do am going to use those more in my DnD campaings, since Guns Just showed up for the first time in my homebrew world, that even caused a war (not the actual Guns, but the fact the people who created them used one to kill a King, in his own Birthday, in the middle of a parade to celebrate It. Fr, craziest shit i came up with!)

[@TheReapingKnight]

Shotgun to match would be a Blunderbuss right? I'd lower the dmg of the buck shot type shell to all in an area of like 2d4 or something and the solid shot would hit a single target for like 2d10 or something.

[@dragoninthewest1]

14:28 wait, fire damage? I home brewed some explosive arrows for my rogue. They did an extra 1d6 force damage from the explosive energy

[@edfleming9873]

Watching this video got me thinking about a Transformers/D&D crossover. Imagine a player using Drizzt going up against Megatron. Would Megatron’s “laser rifle” do four times the weapon's normal damage-either by multiplying (3d8)x4 or dealing a full 12d8 radiant damage-since he’s 35 feet tall, making him Gargantuan size?

[@dustinseybold4717]

Yeah the shotgun.. I saw one from around 100 ft add a 2 l soda bottle hanging about 5 ft in the air, dead aim only got three balls of bird shot into the 2 l bottle

[@guamae]

I feel like Shotguns should have different rules based on what type of shells they're using. I also think that firearms aren't nearly as effective as makes sense for a game like D&D. I remember in Warhammer Fantasy, guns were *crazy powerful*, but took 5 rounds to reload; which I think is more interesting/reasonable.

[@weathermangohanssj4]

Dynamite should do Thunder damage and should function like the spell shatter.

[@mikegilkey]

The shotgun should auto hit and be a critical if within 5 feet. Like a magic missile spell.

[@hiredgoon13]

With modern semi automatic 2 shots accurately in 6s is doable, with muzzleloader you'd be lucky to get powder in it in 6s, then 12s to ram the ball ,then 6s to aim and fire

[@NerdImmersion]

I'm pretty sure I could fire at least 1 shot in a minute, with a preset powder charge and a starter block. Accuracy would be out the window though. Maybe start loading that second shot within the 6 seconds. We used to drill firing quickly for certain target shoots

[@hiredgoon13]

@NerdImmersion think the trained rate of fire is 3-4 rounds /min with preloaded under size rounds in a smooth bore. Then you have 10 rounds weight 2lbs which would make them 92 cal (assuming round balls).

[@hiredgoon13]

But I do understand DnD is not a physics simulation and the game mechanical need not to have on shot every 5 rounds. My biggest grip for in-game is the appalling range you cal almost throw the bullet farther than shooting it 10x the speed of an arrow

[@hatihrodvitnisson]

Personally I think a shotgun should maybe not be an attack roll at all, and it should just be a 30 foot line with a save dc equal to 8+wielder’s dex mod+prof bonus(if proficient).

[@AlexLJ55]

This is a shockingly similar system to the one i made for my Western setting. I like it, though I'm partial to mine more.

[@w4iph]

I think it's fine to leave shotguns off the old firearms list, if you give him a Blunderbuss. Two reasons, one it's basically a shotgun two. It has a vastly Superior name

[@Erick-eo5if]

I am disappointed that there are no officially listed modern or futuristic melee weapons that deal as much damage as the hunting rifle or the laser rifle. Would have been cool to have some sort of laser melee weapon that had limited use. Melee builds just get left out (in terms of the base damage dice of weapons) with these rules, especially if someone runs a campaign where the ammunition for these weapons is abundant.

[@TheRealWilliamWhite]

The problem with shotgun is it lacks versatility. Should have multiple types of shells, atleast Buckshot, Slugs, and Birdshot each with its own properties. Musket should too.

[@TommieCobb]

NGL, seeing the community difference between PF1/2e and the DnD 5e regarding Firearms is just...mind blowing, considering we are functionally playing similar games, even with different mechanics. There are so many Dnd players and GM's who just HATE the idea of blackpowder weapons, while PF Games are much more chill and accepting. EDIT: Additionally, Dnd players have this strong drive to apply very heavy limitations on Firearms mechanically, or use real world limitations in order to further nerf it.

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Do you want to play Sword and sorcery, colonial era, modern, or future? DnD has always been Sword and Sorcery while other games have focused on other eras. Guns belong in a different multiverse or at least campaign setting. The history of the Realms doesn't include the discovery of gun powder. If WotC moves time forward and adds such a discovery will customers keep playing DnD or go to one of the other Sword and Sorcery games?

[@mariop8852]

I am glad that the DMG says that it's not a simulation. But man, it is super frustrating that there is not a simple weapon firearm. It is significantly more difficult to load, draw and aim either of those two weapons than almost any firearm. At least make flintlocks simple

[@charlesdavis9100]

I could see Push if the Shotgun using Slugs.

[@michaelmuirhead910]

Not sure why anyone would consider these as viable options. AL doesn’t allow them, and most DMs won’t either. 2024 made ranged martials obsolete. GWM only works with longbows and heavy xbows, (for ranged weapons) and sharpshooter doesn’t boost dmg either. Treantmonk has shown the math, and only a true strike rogue build seems close to useful.

[@anarchclown]

A semi automatic pistol is not a light weapon but a hand crossbow is. Right... *Shakes head* Also a musket isn't heavy but a crossbow is. Methinks they might have wanted to look these ones over before print.

[@Blade_291]

Do you know what makes a good soldier? The ability to fire three rounds a minute. In any weather, sir! Flint/match locks should be high damage low rate of fire. A brace of pistols or multiple riles/ rotating barely would be the only way to take advantage of extra attacks.

[@abbeystratton1670]

For me treat it like a magic item means you have to source it from a specialty store

[@saraphys5555]

6:17 Here's the problem... Firearms dont do Fire Damage, so that shotgun blast to that troll will be negated pretty quickly with its regeneration... Artificer's aren't a core class...and even if they were, they aren't the ToV Mechanist, which harkens back to the original Artificers of 2e & 3.5; so 5e Artificers cant enchant a weapon with fire damage on the fly... Also, none of this works with Eberron's setting, either; because why use a gun (which is inaccurate), when you could master a crossbow with various magical enchantments, and add onto it, the bolt (if made from wood) is also effective against Vampires as a mini-stake... there's no scenario where a Firearm is better then a Crossbow or Bow...and without an Artificer, all of this is even further redundent... 0/10; would not buy. ...also, "modern" firearms? Futuristic firearms? hell to that!

[@crownlexicon5225]

Do weapon masteries require a successful attack roll? If so, they wouldnt work with burst fire as thats a saving throw.

[@Itachi45481]

Shotgun seems off like you said why push feels like an oversight but I do dream of barrelmancer gangplank build would be funny

[@arcturuslight_]

It's a bit weird to see static DCs on these after they made some other throwables and crafted scrolls use character DC

[@tlprescott1]

6 revolver shots, Reload, 6 more shots in under 3 seconds. Not trying to be critical - Just to point out what is possible: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaureGCfl7-Uga8 Are fantasy characters as good as normal (world record holding) people? I have not seen any normal (famous or otherwise) magicians who can pull off a level one Eldrich Blast or Magic Missile by comparison. If you are only considering muzzle loading, here is an example of a "fast" 48 second reload second shot: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKrahIB-Z9WSsLs But, if we are talking six- shot revolver reloads per DMG, we are not talking muzzle loading (or black powder cylinder loading).

[@NerdImmersion]

I never said a revolver, I've completed in plenty of cowboy shoots to know this kinda stuff is possible. I meant the PHB pistol, which reloads after 1 shot, so I'm assuming we're talking traditional muzzleloader here with powder, patch, ball

[@tlprescott1]

​@@NerdImmersion The 48 second “fast” muzzle loading in one turn length is just as incongruous to reality as the technically feasible 24 shots and three reloads of a “cowboy” revolver in a turn length. I am not arguing for realism in D&D, but suspension of disbelief ought to be in service to a shared vision of particular class fantasies. In comparison, the sword and board “Conan” barbarian likely loses to an "all for one, one for all" musketeer (who can reload every six seconds), the musketeer loses to the “Wyatt Erp” gunslinger, and “Wyatt Erp” loses to anyone ("John Wick?/Jason Bourne?") with an automatic rifle. There is a reason swords, muskets, and six-shooters are largely obsolete in modern warfare. You clearly have good knowledge of real firearms and it was never my intention to denigrate you. However, I contend that there is no way to balance these previously mentioned characters without seriously skewing their associated fantasies.

[@ElocNodnarb]

All my artificers lost proficiency with Pistols and Muskets because they’re no longer firearms and Artificers only otherwise have proficiency with Simple Weapons.

[@brilobox2]

Anyone with 2 brain cells would realize they qualify as firearms.

[@shadowhell8378]

I'm sorry but a chainsaw is as complex to figure out as a hovercraft? The spinning blades are just as complex as the Jetsons car.

[@BeanzimusPrime]

The rarity is… busted. Like, 50gp is a first level spell scroll or thereabouts. A common/uncommon consumable that any spell casting class can make themselves. Copy, paste and say “it’s for martials” is in no way a good justification for making it a rare magic item.

[@codymarshall587]

Why did you say “bomb should not be a magic item” they didn’t say it was, they said if you make dynamite, frag grenades, and grenade launchers as rare magic items. Why did you explicitly read this out and then go back on it??

[@aodhfyn2429]

5ft radius is tragically wimpy. Are these Gandalf fireworks?

[@James-kv3ll]

Tbh I don’t see why you’d ever use the basic firearms in the PHB since sharpshooter was Nerfed and Heavy Crossbows get to use GWM to deal way more damage. It’s really dumb.

[@brilobox2]

Ranged weapons should not benefit from GWM, sorry not sorry.

[@James-kv3ll]

@ Who the fuck asked?

[@eeach]

Huh, wonder if they are tinkering with an update to d20Modern? 🎉

[@SuperFizzah]

I'm not sure why you'd assume they were antique guns with a ball and powder, when they are clearly marked "Modern Firearm", they have a "Reload" mechanic, where you don't need to reload after every shot, but after a set amount of shots, as if you loaded it with cartridge ammo. You even argue with yourself about this 20 mins into the video lmao.

[@andritsiry]

crafting rule would make bomb, 50 g same level of a scroll of burning hand no?

[@ericrbacher9371]

homebrew blunderbuss

[@Xen10k]

Gun and shield? Look to the original Capt America comics.

[@optimus2200]

Dynamite should been thunder damage whats the hick it being force damage its not arcane in any way ! and it need he air to produce the shockwave AND finally alot of rock are venerable to dynamite and dynamite was created for mining so it should been thunder.

[@nyanbrox5418]

14:44 Reading!!!!!!!! If it has a cost, your DM can put it in any store in say a city for the stated gold cost, if it does not have a cost, that means it counts as a modern weapon, so it should be treated akin to a rare magic item Why on earth do you think the DMG is suggesting a rare magic item cost 100gp and do 3d6 damage with a DC 12, that just makes no sense, that is literally the cost of a common magic item

[@nyanbrox5418]

Also, the DMG also has guidance for what should be available in what kind of settlement, long story short small towns and villages you will basically not find explosives at, go to a city

[@codymarshall587]

Fucking thank you, this confused the hell out of me

[@nyanbrox5418]

@codymarshall587 I'm glad I could help someone!

[@ElocNodnarb]

The people saying guns and bombs don’t belong in D&D probably also try pineapple doesn’t belong on pizza 😂

[@AndyReichert0]

it seems like they were intentionally lazy on the guns because they didn't REALLY want people to use guns, just like in 2014.

[@adronius147]

I'd definitely nerf the damage of the modern weaponry at least; a pistol shot won't do more damage to you bullet-by-bullet than a swing of almost any melee weapon in this game and probably wielded by a world class athlete or a fucking demigod at that. Arguably the modern guns would actually deal _less_ raw damage than that, except maybe the shotgun, but even that I'd cap out at 2d6 or 1d12. Even a crossbow bolt would probably do more damage to your body than a modern bullet. In fact, it's muskets and flintlock pistols that I could imagine being the high damage dealers when it comes to guns (including also the shotgun) with their .50 calibre lead balls. I suppose I could see an automatic rifle dealing 2d8 damage if the Burst Fire option allowed you to fire that burst into a single target instead of over an area, because otherwise it is just shooting one bullet per Attack action.

[@antoinewilliams1358]

Sooo disappointed with the weapon specialties. I have problems investing in dual wielding with such a strict action economy, the resources that you will have to take to make it a bit more functional and that forced flavoring of a character is just a turn off

[@robmayer9141]

My "fix" for the shotgun would be to give it a 15ft cone or something similar

[@WillVogt]

In an historical context, a well trained musketman could fire about 10-12 shots per minute or about 1 round every 5-6 seconds.

[@NerdImmersion]

That tracks

[@Ghastly_Grinner]

3-4 more likely

[@brilobox2]

Not even close. Only elite units managed 4 shots a minute.

[@GodwinXZ]

Correct 3-4 shots a minute for a musket.

[@Nemo12417]

I'm not a fan of putting them in the PHB. Now everyone will feel entitled to have them.

[@bloodyirishman9155]

Why is your audio so low?

[@NerdImmersion]

@@bloodyirishman9155 doesn't seem low to me and you're the first person to say something

[@bloodyirishman9155]

@NerdImmersion It's been the last few videos that I've noticed. It's just significantly lower than other videos and requires me to jack my volume up.

[@memeslich]

Out of spells, but not shotgun shells. 😂

[@NerdImmersion]

American magic

[@seppa193]

Firearms & Explosives in D&D just NO.

[@Ghostking5904]

Ngl that art reeks of AI generation. The armour geometry, the hanky hands on the shotgun, the fact the blast from the shotgun literally curves at one point. And the fact it's a modern pump action shotgun rather than something intended to look more fantasy-esque

[@emperorxander666]

Just say no to guns in fantasy settings

[@fraidnaught9067]

Why? It really makes less sense not to have them.

[@NerdImmersion]

I'm pretty sure guns existed before crossbows did in the real world, but to each their own

[@gliscaradu1424]

lol

[@ElocNodnarb]

Why limit what is allowed in fantasy? Who gets to decide what path technology took in the evolution of a made-up world?

[@codymarshall587]

You’re a loser

[@nickgoodnough6262]

And once again DnD tries to reinvent the wheel, & comes out looking like a monkey f***ing a football. They keep using the term "shotgun" without understanding the term "shot". This infers an AoE. Why can they figure this out for a breath weapon, but not a gun...? It's called a cone folks, and it starts at the barrel end of the weapon, anything in the 1st 20ft takes full dmg, then anything from 21-60ft takes half dex DC 15 plus any magical enhancement bonus for half again (down to quarter dmg). Not hard. Firearms already have a misfire table & rates, so why can't they just let it stand at that?

[@NerdImmersion]

Well WotC firearms don't have misfire tables

[@codymarshall587]

You are bad at design and I’m glad you aren’t in charge bub, this is wordy as hell which is not what this system is for. This is not a fucking warhammer 40k match.

[@paulschirf9259]

Was this content written by an 8 year old?. The authors clearly kept their head in the modern era instead of trying to create rules for a more appropriate setting. You may as well add rules for telephones. I'm disgusted.

[@codymarshall587]

These are rules for modern firearms homie. They’re optional rules. What are you talking about? There are stats for a laser rifle? Stay disgusted drama queen.

[@ETthehorse]

Modern firearms and explosives do not belong in D&D

[@NerdImmersion]

Well if we're being sticklers, shotguns existed before pistols, so if we're including pistols, might as well include shotguns

[@ETthehorse]

@@NerdImmersion Smoke powder weapons were a decent compromise back in the day, again modern firearms ruin a medieval fantasy setting that D&D is suppose to be as Grayhawk is the default setting And yes we all know Barrier Peaks exists, but that was designed as a one off

[@ElocNodnarb]

To be fair, gatekeeping is far more inappropriate in D&D than any kind of magic, technology, etc. Why is it wrong to imagine that there will some day be a technological revolution in the worlds of D&D and then allow those items in those games? Time travel exists in D&D, couldn’t some modern weapons have come back in time? At the end of the day, I believe we should encourage MORE diversity in D&D, not lock it behind flimsy rationalizations about what settings should or shouldn’t be allowed in the game.