I Was WRONG About SBMM... It's WORSE THAN I THOUGHT!

[@NerosCinema]

HELLO NOTIFICATION SQUAD! Hope everyone is having a great night

[@RickyDanger187]

Yo

[@AGTV10]

How about you ask activision devs why is sbmm in this game and why don’t you remove this toxic algorithm?

[@sergiovalentino9074]

You ever think that if you are in a lobby full of sweats that means that you are a sweat? Lmao you nerds only want to go against lower level players or it’s not “fun” that is insane.

[@SquirtMac17]

@@sergiovalentino9074man you miss the mark by a mile huh?

[@AGTV10]

@@sergiovalentino9074 so you would prefer to sweat every single game than play casually in public matches?

[@chrisrichfield8906]

The thing that really bugs me about SBMM is that it robs of you some of the satisfaction of doing good, because you feel like you are hurting your future self. Like whenever I got a chopper gunner in the BO6 beta it was cool for a second until it hit me, SBMM is going to punish me for this.

[@sdudigumi]

This exactly. Its the ultimate immersion killer

[@justinalloway1405]

Just get better man, thats exactly what you’d say to the boys you want in your lobbies

[@silencedmaxim5889]

@@justinalloway1405 I think you mean just get worser, because getting better will not make it easier in this scenario. Getting worser will (or becoming more worse, to be more accurate).

[@Trick.Ricky.Sternn]

@@justinalloway1405bro no one saying that beside you !! lol the shitter the player usually you get this comment we don’t want to beat up on you. We just want a non manipulating game

[@goldtrxppingames8317]

@@justinalloway1405 lol okay buddy

[@GreenPartyHat]

SBMM has ruined cod for me

[@Nathan93x]

Play runescape instead then 😁

[@Roc_Official]

@@Nathan93x🤡 bot

[@daheat2403]

People just want easy lobbies that’s all.

[@Boelie1622]

Get good or go home!

[@leftoverpizzza3337]

@@Boelie1622crazy you say that when the people defending EOMM are the ones that actually need to get good. The irony in you saying get good while having an algorithm cherry pick your lobbies to coddle you trash player so you feel good about yourselves so you buy micro transactions is insane

[@Sharpie_Green]

Imagine going to a bar trying to play a chill game of pool but the bar stops to match you with players on a pool legue because the bar thinks it’ll create more retention for you to stick around and buy drinks

[@desimguy2022]

😂 sounds crazy

[@ByFrezcoh]

Solid representation

[@danielnicholson25]

good analogy

[@stevefred2694]

Lmao

[@SuperChalkster]

lol

[@sazlefraz]

No way in hell should a 1.5kd be top 10% in an fps bro -.-

[@ShrimpCup]

@StayBlemwhat do KZbinrs have to do with this? I think the point here is that its sad that such an average kd (1.2-1.5) is a higher tier bracket. This proves that cod does very much cater towards noobs and below average players because they are the ones who just play super casually and oh maybe theyll spend some money in the shop because they are actually having FUN. Higher tier bracket players will (most of the time) spend money regardless. So why not cater to less average players; essentially gaslight them making them think they’re better than they actually are… so they’ll drop some money at the store. Absolutely insane system for public matches.

[@catchavibe8418]

@@ShrimpCup They made this "use this new meta" atmosphere showing everyone the best guns and strategies to use and now timmy ten thumbs that casually plays has a loadout it took you days of playtime to figure out was really good. Ontop of that the gun you like that fits your playstyle is getting you smoked. No matter what you do timmy has the fastest ttk no recoil gun in the game and your going to lose even if you hit them first or miss at all. Thats what they did.

[@NerosCinema]

RIGHT!?

[@dar6a8]

I went down from 1.3 k/d to a 0.55 k/d in BR while doing some challenges kind of intentionaly not trying at all and it still says i am > top 15% of warzone BR players worldwide it is actualy way worse than you think. Placement wise i am top 1% for playing it super safe 😂 Edit: I have 44 rounds played in BR and still am top 15% with a 0.55 k/d and that few games played which is even way worse than i thought.

[@craigeeezgaming4195]

Dude, that’s warzone stats, a single life game. In respawn the top 10% would be higher.

[@343Films]

Modern SBMM effectively means that the bottom ~60% have a better experience at the direct expense of the upper ~30%. Coincidentally, the vast majority of cosmetic purchases (95+% of their revenue) come from players in that bottom 60%. That's the rub.

[@Aaronsplace]

The sbmm paper they released implied more of a 90/10 split (further proving your point)

[@lv9084]

BS my friend, i am bottom -60 half and have the same horrible experience! Stopped playing cod more than a year ago. The match making gives you a few nice games a day and after that it's back to the sweatzone.

[@hotfry845]

theyd make more money without sbmm.

[@Fuckyoutubecensorship1]

@@hotfry845 how?

[@80cantgetright]

So what? All you have to do is stop playing like your life is at stake.

[@leo6d985]

I still don’t know why people play current COD multiplayer. Nobody plays the OBJ, your teammates are worse then you, the other teams is on pair with you, so you are top of your team, but winning is impossible. Lobbies disband, taking away any competition or community. You have to run low killstreaks, cuz there is no way you are getting anything else. You can’t use out of meta guns. You cant do goofy play styles. Every lobby is a sweatfest. Please somebody tell me why would you play multiplayer? Beyond doing camoes or leveling guns?

[@LupusVal]

Personally I still play cod because I love the base gameplay and there's really nothing quite like it, xdefiant being the closest we've got is kind of laughable (I don't dislike xdefiant btw but I also haven't played since s1 launched)

[@sirlionclaw9639]

I do all of these things and I'm running a 1.25 kd, currently trying to camo grind and level the lmgs, as well as the dmrs, you can have fun, just gotta accept that you will die more, but if you learn how to do well with a meme gun, you can be REALLY good with a meta gun

[@adad87821]

cause the people who enjoy the game are what the sbmm algoraithum protects

[@ItsDonBro]

I completely understand. It's gotten to the point where I play for about an hour at a time One multiplayer game and one warzone resurgence. As soon as I get a victory in both I stop playing for the day because right after that game I'm playing against 6 scumps.

[@leo6d985]

@@LupusVal I understand. No game has the COD 6v6 “experience”.

[@TheMurray313]

I used to sit and play COD for hours daily ..but since SBMM I’ll sit down for maybe an hour every two weeks to play . It ruined gaming in general for me.

[@ghozt-6708]

I dont even buy the games

[@Chickensea10]

NEW H2M MOD IS HERE! NERO JUST POSTED IT

[@rahdope]

I haven’t played since May 💀

[@WarKlutch]

When was that? SBMM has been noticeable since at least MW3 2011

[@ghozt-6708]

@@WarKlutch Is not. Is noticeable since cod2019

[@BrokeandFamousPR]

Video games are not supposed to have this Casino type matchmaking, where is the reward for winning after putting up with the manipulative bs and sweating? There is no reason to play online anymore unless they take it out completly from video games. You are better off going to the real casino and at least you have a chance to make some real money instead of a big WIN on your screen.

[@Smile4MyAC130]

No it should have a casino type match making but it should put more .05 and above k/d all together. Oif you get stomped on yhen thats CoD. CoD decides whether you win or loose anyway. It shows you whennyou will have a good game or bad. By the hit registration. I van tell immediately after shoot couple people how the game is going to go it so obvious CoD is in change of what you can and cant do.

[@Chickensea10]

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[@drippyog3935]

@@Smile4MyAC130 boot lickee. Behavior

[@DarktoothH]

They've really fucked up this franchise lol - Imagine making your game have zero replayability due to your matchmaking system. And I say not replayable because every match is the same. Its the same experience over and over again. "It makes COD not fun to play" Exactly. If you're getting punished for getting better and being better, that to me is a waste of time and sanity. Don't buy CoD anymore.

[@Chickensea10]

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[@danbrown2423]

This man is talking with HELLA SENSE listen to him👏🏾

[@xjamiec]

Anyone remember Christmas noobs? ahh good times, shame we can never have that ever again in CoD

[@FitnessFreak3_2]

Miss those days

[@SavageSayo79]

Cold War lobbies were pretty damn good during the month it went free on psplus

[@danthwad3r451]

back when cod was good, i remember rushing out to buy it when it came out so you could sear the maps into your brain so when all the kids get it for christmas from mommy you could go out and have fun. none of the matches felt like $10k on the line for a core match of TDM

[@Chickensea10]

NEW H2M MOD IS HERE! NERO JUST POSTED IT

[@leemercey2260]

@@danthwad3r451 yes. I agree. It's fun, and I do well enough. But the sbmm punishments are outrageous. If that doesn't slow you down, EOMM kicks in, and it's marshmallows for bullets. LOL

[@unknown8148]

Oh brother this game stinks

[@YourGuySmallFry]

Oh brother this game stinks

[@95transam65]

Oh brother this game stinks

[@AnthonyBC93]

Nah, the game doesn't stink. Activision does

[@unknown8148]

@@AnthonyBC93 4 years just to bring back old features and movement that doesn’t need tac sprint. The reason why it’s clunky

[@DarkHorsey]

SBMM, EOMM stinks

[@cw1217]

I've noticed that in the higher skilled lobbies my hit detection and damage per bullet goes to shit.

[@6shootaa]

sadly yup so i didn’t have a problem with going back to xdefiant instead. the packet bursts + poor hit reg was super annoying man. Cod cosmetics are A1 tho i think xdefiants skins are buns but.. i prefer the no sbmm mechanics

[@RD22x]

Thats what happens when no connection based MM

[@kokushibo25]

This is actually a fact, Shit is ridiculous

[@Itz_OptimalAxe702]

I’m Still Playing Black Ops 4, The Last Good COD Sadly 🥲

[@mohammedhaque7508]

You ain’t even lying, experienced this yesterday was insane.

[@JoosySmooyay]

Crazy that the average experience of the game is dying more than getting kills. Why would you design a game where the average player loses more than win

[@BrokeandFamousPR]

Its a Casino.

[@deejudanne460]

@@BrokeandFamousPR except noone wins not even the house

[@craigeeezgaming4195]

I guess you don’t understand stats?

[@jahanbaxter]

Get gud

[@beastmode1915]

“BeCaUsE tHe DaTa ☝️🤓” - some clown at Activision In reality they know player retention is lower than ever before so to keep engagement they use scummy systems to drip feed wins. Can’t have players be on winning streaks or they might lose interest and not buy something from the store first (bc $70 isn’t enough for these greedy bastards)

[@KiLLaBushWooKiE]

Never mind lobbies disbanding which is a disgrace who remembers Lobby Leaderboards in a mid game lobby. Nothing angers me more in games than removing things that were games yrs even decade plus ago. This should be beyond unacceptable.

[@SuperChalkster]

they hid it to stop people lobby shopping, i always used the lobby leaderboards mostly as i liked seeing myself on top of it and seeing who my competition was. but i was never scared away from it or shopped for easy games, i played what the game gave me. if only everyone else did the same they wouldnt of done away with it.

[@leeandrewbryan]

Or even in bo2 you could see what titles someone had for a specific gun and just about every other stat in the game. Was a great time

[@Chickensea10]

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[@bscoggs]

I used to hover around 1.8 to 2.2 kd. Now I'm always around 1.2 to 1.5 in every recent game

[@VoRiiactual]

That is me. Exactly me!

[@SirGretz]

I used to be slightly above avg. From cod 4- Bo4 I used to hover around a 1.2-1.5 KD. Now it’s literally 1.00 or slightly lower

[@Kdot98]

@HoorNon-dr2ii they havent thats why sbmm exist. 80% of the playerbase is dogshit and they hide them from the good players so all you face is the top players. you might feel like everyone got better but no you just arent allowed to play with those that suck which is majority of the playerbase.

[@Quackra]

I fell off after BO2 because my fundies are all I have. Though in MW3 I have around your K/D. In BO3, with real games I have a 0.8 K/D and BO2 I have a 3.5 K/D.

[@sdudigumi]

My K/D in CoD is low, but in XDefiant, I have a 2.4 K/D. I just find XDefiant more appealing overall and get way more immersed in it. In CoD, I’m hesitant to perform well because SBMM punishes me, which kills the immersion. I might pirate the Call of Duty singleplayer campaigns but the multiplayer just doesnt interest me anymore

[@Ratscallion_exe]

If your Ping is not a priority for CoD, **how was it supposed to be fair in the FIRST PLACE?** Excuse me, ONE of the factors, not the priority??? _"Searching for a match >200ms"_

[@gstarricstar0118]

I sit at 1.65 KD in MW3 and it gets very hard to play. Sometimes you have to switch it off.

[@obsequey96]

Same. The game just makes you not want to play anymore. And this is coming from a person who was playing cod like an addict every single day for hours since 2010

[@Chickensea10]

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[@DrThic]

I'm that guy in the good lobby that always does really bad. It's only because I play with people who play everyday & are at 1.9kd or higher. So I'm stuck having an absolute MISERABLE time because it's a sweat fest & I'm just trying to get LMG camos shooting through walls all game. So yeah, I'm the bad teammate in high skill lobbies because my friends are 100x better than me and it is MISERABLE. I HATE playing with my friends. It's just... not fun. Negative every game. They love playing with me though because I bring their lobbies down and they do absolutely amazing.

[@Mohawx28]

I know what you mean. My friends are all below 1kd. So when we party up, I'm carrying them every game. It gets tiring and not fun

[@bryce3187]

@@Mohawx28noticed this too. My buddy is has around a .85kd and I have a 2kd whenever he plays with me he will not go positive, he has maybe on a handful of occasions gone positive. This is the guy who, for the most part introduced me to COD 😔

[@SuperChalkster]

@@bryce3187 i had the same mate introduced me to cod, he was more casual played now and again was around 1kd, i took it far more serious then he did i wanted toi get better then him... i was a 2.5 kd player on average across all cods, yet he would never team up with me because when he did he just kept rage quitting. sbmm is very fickle it shouldnt belong, gaming is meant to be fun unless your being paid to do it

[@Chickensea10]

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[@ventizreborn5246]

Yep, my brother just picked this game up as his first pvp FPS game. He'll show me photos of him doing pretty well in his lobbies. Top of the leader board and such. Parties up with me and gets tossed into my lobbies. He gets his shit absolutely rocked to the point he doesn't want to play with me or anyone else that I typically play with it as those guys are also around my skill level. I get put in his lobbies and it's a free for all for me. All that means for him is that he doesn't get slaughtered.

[@eC9x]

I got a 1.22kd and level 500 back in February, i only just started playing mw3 again after trying out the bo6 beta. I can't be bothered to play multiplayer anymore. If they brought a reward system where you can earn Cod points for completing challenges & winning games then that gives me a reason to sweat. Right now im sweating against players using 3rd party devices for no reason... i can't be bothered with that anymore.

[@Sharpie_Green]

Huge conspiracy theory, the added Omni movement is designed to increase the skill gap so it can group people into tighter SBMM brackets

[@MoonwalkerDamage]

As a top 1% player, I confirm that I have always the worst teammates possible against team of sweats. Super fun to try to win in these conditions.... Lol Strict team balancing and SBMM can go to hell

[@Chickensea10]

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[@PapaJoJ]

I play mostly FFA and because Im "so good" the game literally spawns enemies a foot behind me as im sprinting ahead so they can get free and easy kills.

[@cameronrumbo8708]

I’m currently a 1.28. I literally spawn into gunfire constantly. Like, red screen as soon as I spawn. I mostly play team deathmatch. Being spawned right in front of enemies with my back to them. On top of grenades. I’m not one to brag at all, but feel like I’m above average in COD. And the damn packet burst/ loss with fiber. Always right when I have the target in my sights. And I don’t know if anyone else has had this issue, but sometimes I will have them lined up perfectly, only for it to feel like my aim is being pushed away like 2 same polarity magnets getting close, that’s the best way I can explain it.

[@HueyFreemanGOAT]

Tdm is why that happens so often for you tbh and if you played dom or even kill confirmed you would experience that's bs kess

[@TheFriskySquid]

And that is probably a 1.28 EKD, and closer to a 1.00 true KD. Cause they count assists in KD now.

[@cameronrumbo8708]

@@TheFriskySquid I barely have assists for the most part. Except when the enemies are bullet sponges and I die immediately. Maybe 4 or 5 tops on a 20+ kill match

[@TheFPSFury]

It's also the revenge spawns the game loves to constantly give us where we spawn like 20 feet away from where we died before.

[@desimguy2022]

The revenge spawns are funny because you can point it out when it happens, it feels like enemy opponent spawns with you wherever you spawn.

[@MegaJojje123]

The biggest problem I have with sbmm is that not only do they make the experience for good players bad but they also make it so it’s unnecessary to become better at the game. When I was in a sweaty lobby back in the day I felt the need to become better

[@Drewkungfoo]

Everything is Worse. SBMM and EOMM are HORRIBLE. Clearly DO NOT Belong in a Casual FPS

[@danthwad3r451]

ATTN: Activision, EASY FIX! Have a no SBMM/EOMM playlist. The second i feel just an INKLING of eomm i quit the match, meta gun now a peashooter, im out. magnet aim where you cant quite get your redicle on the enemy but you were lasermaster the last match, im out. playing core, but every lobby im top player with a squad of default skins, im out. i'll go 2-3KD in a match AND be on the winning side and quit. Sounds like the opposite of what acti wants and its the sole reason im not buying BO6.

[@MineCreeperLPs]

They removed SBMM for 2 weeks and lost a massive amount of players from the entire spectrum of low skill to high skill. Almost like nobody wants to play with super sweats in any game.

[@ghozt-6708]

@@MineCreeperLPsThats not a real thing😂😂they lost 1.75% of the playerbase (that could happens in any 14 day stretch, and more if is in days with no new content). Also, a 1.75% of the player base is not a real thing. Of 100 players, not even 2 players of it. So, not; they dont loose a massive part of the player base. They are just trying to send a message saying “its all better with sbmm” just for having a excuse to maintain it at the game, bcuz this sbmm is for the lower players, for them to feel happy and spen money in the store.

[@ghozt-6708]

@@MineCreeperLPsThis game at a good skill level is UNPLAYABLE, im playing iriscident and crimson players every single time, bcuz you ppl with lower skill are playing in a kids arena with no skill … so, we really playing a different game.

[@TheNickKerr]

@@ghozt-67081.75% of 300,000 is above 5 grand

[@Pacazi]

Imagine doing all that just for some money from kids and noobs. Thats why i wont shed a single tear when cod retire its game line

[@DukesFinalBoss]

Because it’s (casuals) a much larger group of people, so much more possibility of buying skins It’s so greedy and right in your face. And it probably drives the devs crazy because they’re building a game for people to play. And the people who “actually play it right” will be punished. Like imagine how it feels to know the people the company is catering to on the game you’re building like won’t even do it right

[@Pacazi]

@@DukesFinalBoss so much illegalcality

[@madmat5768]

We're gonna damn well smile i can tell you that, they deserve to retire

[@Pacazi]

@@madmat5768 you know it

[@Chickensea10]

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[@AchlysShadow]

1.2 KD player here! The main thing I dislike about this matchmaking system is that if you take like a week off from playing the MP, when you come back they put you right back into literal hell. At least that's how my experience has been which has made it hard for me to get motivated to play the game because I just know I'm not going to get a good warm-up or a good first game of the day to build momentum.

[@pochamagaming]

If 1.05 is hell and Im a 2.0 KD player. Am I in the depths of hell itself?

[@Chickensea10]

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[@randolphthesilver4245]

It makes so much sense. In the WZ era of cod I have had a 1-1.3 KD and it still felt sweaty. But I thought "surely 0.95 is low enough to get casuals" but nope

[@TheFPSFury]

I'm the same way I got a .96kd in mw3 and my lobbys are the exact same people using the same loadout. Also I don't understand how i got a better kd in the bo6 beta than mw3 when the matchmaking felt just as bad.

[@Alex-dr6or]

I tried commenting on the post directly when it was first posted on Reddit but it wouldn't let me so I'm gonna say it here. There are esse finally different EOMM brackets that players will be assigned to and aren't solely based on skills. What happens essentially is you are assigned a skill brackets based on your engagement, how often you tend to quit marches or end the game session for the day. Since the game wants to keep you playing longer they will put you in different brackets to achieve their goals. Skill isn't necessarily a factor. For example I'm about 1KD, one of my friend is also 1KD but when I played on his account his lobbies were a bit easier, nothing extreme but noticeable. This because the game has a hidden MMR system like a ELO that is used to put you in these brackets. That's why we see players with sub 1KD and players with 1.5KD. The thing is a 1KD player isn't necessarily better than a 0.80KD or 1.2KD player because these 3 players could be on different EOMM brackets. If the game thinks you are more likely to quit and play less as a result it will put you on a lower bracket with easier lobbies overall and you could end up having a 1.2KD but if you're a player that never quits games and stays no matter what, the EOMM thinks it's already doing a good job so it keeps you in the same bracket, even if your KD is suffering. There are 0.80KD players that are significantly better than other 1.2KD players but since they're in different brackets they're KD is also different. One has easier lobbies then the other. If we only had a strict SBMM system everyone would be about 1KD with extremely rare exceptions.

[@seyrnahd]

that hidden eomm is actually provable in warzone, I often would jump into solo queue at the same time as housemate (same connection) we have identical k.d, yet only a handful of times could we actually get into the same lobby. I wont make this an essay, but we certainly explored this quite a bit and came to the conclusion that location and ping were weighted insignificant compared to last game performance. - Incidentally by queuing at the same time we were not seeking to gain an advantage, on the contrary the mission was always to kill each-other :D. But alas we only got a handful of times to actually try and see if we could legitimately meet each other in the final circle.

[@adnsalazar2]

​@@seyrnahdis in every single cod after mw19

[@VoRiiactual]

I had a gunship earlier on shipment from a care package in kill confirmed. I kid you not after raking in my airborne kills my weapon turned into a soft noodle and my STATIC became a hitmarker machine!

[@CIaping]

Thanks for covering this Nero you’re very appreciated 👍🏿

[@genxwarlock]

Jesus I was in the top 3%? I had a 2.3kd. I lived long enough to become the villain. Glad I won't be playing the new game though😂

[@NorthEevee]

We've somehow gotten to the point where 'git gud' has turned into 'git wurse'...

[@stickboy8219]

I'm using this now lol

[@preythestars]

Fr, running around circles with a riot shield and karambit just to mess with lower skill lobbies have brought some genuinely fun moments

[@conservativesurvivalist9982]

Joe! Just wanted to say your channel is the main reason I still watch KZbin. I remember finding your account in 2012 going through the moab Monday and Friday was always fun. Dear Nero episodes were always a highlight. It'd be awesome to have those back! You're awesome and as always....have a wonderful day

[@Fooly-]

I had a very similar experience with a new account that I used for the Open Beta. I used my regular account that I’ve been using for years during the first weekend and had around a 1.4-1.6kd, then I used a fresh account when the beta came back and had a 2.4kd. I have footage of these matches as well but it literally felt like bots, people were not shooting back, they had awful movement, and often had hard trap playing in the background when they had their mics on. Night and day difference between the two accounts lol

[@Chickensea10]

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[@918sadchicano]

Nero, they outlined the lobby balancing in the last white paper. What they actually do is, instead of equally balancing the lobby by equally dividing players by skill, they “balance” it to give a 50/50 chance of winning. It exactly explains my experience. I’m a 2.5 kd player but I play mostly with my gf who has a .5 kd. EVERY SINGLE MATCH I lead the team by far, but we still lose about 70% of our matches. I have tons of screenshots of me going 50-5 but we still lose the match by 10 or so kills in TDM. So, if a higher skilled player is in lower (not lowest) bracket, they will put ALL the absolute lowest skilled players in the lobby on their team to make the chances of winning 50/50 for either team. My lobbies solo are borderline unplayable and as a completionist, I refuse to play solo. That said, either way, higher skilled players have to sweat.. by struggling to stay positive or carrying.

[@Miss_Tsukiko]

This happens to me but I only play solo. Still get teammates that don't know what a trigger is. Used to love seeing my KD go up in Bo2 (think I was around a 3.5kd) now when I see my 1.88kd go up I dread it. My teams only get worse and my enemies only get better. When I first started on mw3 I used to be enough to get wins now even going 45-3 running around like crazy trying to find enough people to win because we are still going to lose by 20 :/

[@918sadchicano]

@@Miss_Tsukiko I feel that pain. I almost always played solo til this year. My kd hovered around a 2.5-3 every year between BO3-BO4 then suddenly stuck at about a 1.7 from MW2019-MWII. I was ready to throw in the towel with CoD but was fortunate my gf got into it too. What makes it worse is not only the difficulty of the lobbies but connection quality too. When partied with her I NEVER have packet burst and hit detection is spot on. When solo, I have good ping but constant packet burst and hit reg issues. So not only do you sweat more solo but you’re also playing with a handicap. It’s funny cause you can tell a big difference with XD’s lobby balancing. My gf, who struggles in cod, does pretty well in XD. You can feel how the lobbies are evenly balanced with both higher and lower skill players.

[@ApsmneShsbshu]

You just described equally dividing the teams based on skill.

[@918sadchicano]

@@ApsmneShsbshu No, there is a difference. The way XD currently and CoD used to balance was, essentially, putting an equal number of high, medium and low skilled players on each team. Think of it like putting all 12 players in order from highest to lowest skill then numbering 1-12. Then, putting all the odd numbers on one team and all even on the other. This in my opinion is the fair and balanced way. The way CoD does it now uses an algorithm to determine the outcome of a match based on performance and engagement. It will try to get the OUTCOME close to 50/50. So, in this case, imagine player 1 is the highest skilled by far. It will put players 8-12 (the ones on the lower end skill wise) on player 1’s team. Expecting player one to perform as well as previous performance thus having to carrying the team.

[@ApsmneShsbshu]

@@918sadchicano so having a 50/50 chance isn’t fair?

[@cr0077_]

The issue I have is that this never seems to be a problem for the ENEMY team - just mine🤔

[@NeightrixPrime]

My takeaway is that theyre worried about a 2% player drop at most, yet have no metrics at all for those who already permanently quit because of manipulated lobbies.

[@1504Blue]

This issue is better players feel penalized and average/below average players would quit if we had to play with yall. Eventually when AI gets better COD is just going to put bots in for yall to shit on.

[@Sd4L234]

Above casual players are quitting too bro COD is free on Xbox and literally have no urge to get it

[@scmsean]

Video game players are just whiners. Any hobby you do has skill levels. I played paintball for a long time. You had skill levels. You play hockey there is skill levels. Video game players want to just lobby hop until they find an easy lobby.

[@shining_rayquaza]

Dear Nero, I just wanted to thank you for all the work you put into this channel. It really means a lot to me because your channel was and will always be my go to channel on KZbin! Keep up your work, and thank you again !

[@Jrdn.NA1]

Man Cod is going down the Shitter lately but the worst part is I’m part of that sweaty Meat Grinder Evolved breed to the point I just like the slop they produce but I know it’s wrong it could be so much better but I still do speak out against the BS I’m not blind to it I just wish we could riot Activision or boycott their games and get a good Masterpiece back

[@CraaaaaabPeople]

Truth. I know the matchmaking is shitty and I hate it, but I will still buy and play more cod than any other game each year because there simply isn't another shooter that feels as good as COD.

[@shaneovids4852]

​@@CraaaaaabPeopleatleast don't buy any bundles

[@RodgerRamjet]

i am a 0.93 k/d player, and pissed i cant seem to get over 1.0.. how stupid am i ???

[@Nazrat84]

When the devs say "SBMM has been in the series since CoD4" they're referring to this 8:00. This isn't the same as SBMM, per say, but by design, they do try to even out teams within the lobby itself in order to keep a match fair and try to prevent one team or player from totally dominating *when it's possible.* It's not always something that can be done, especially when people friends in a party of 3 and above, but this is confirmed have existed for a long time.

[@dakotastaton8223]

The fact that you belive anything activision says means your in those protected brackets, in practice it does not work like this at all.

[@BlackPillVillain]

Read the activison patent

[@Kdot98]

there wasnt any team balancing back then. the amount of blowouts matches i played back then in cod was crazy. i used to do the "70 kill challenge" on bo3 tdm and would always get close to 60+ kills in a game and it went up to 100.

[@Nazrat84]

@@dakotastaton8223 WOW holy defensiveness batman. Projecting much? Besides dataminers confirmed that there was team balancing for longer than some CoD players were even born. They also confirmed rotational AA has been in the series since CoD 2 on the 360 and has always been extremely strong, but I bet you'd be in denial about that as well.

[@Nazrat84]

@@Kdot98 BO3 and BO4 both had aggressive (by design) lobby-dependent team balancing. After finding the closest players to your location, solo players with high KDR, W/L or accuracy were to be pitted against a team of above average players with decent stats in their local area, but your team in turn would be whoever it found to be crappier at the game. This is what NeroCinema is referring too. The three methods of breaking this system was to be playing with a party which negated this system, be so good at the game as a solo that a team of average players are still no match, *or* if the other people in the lobby in the region didn't have the prerequisite stats. If you've ever played a match and the game stated it was "balancing teams" despite the lobby being full, causing a delay for the match to begin, it was trying to find a way to even out the skill level of the teams but was struggling

[@El_Santo_De_Cerote]

Top 10% KD but I lose a good majority of TDM

[@sonicace007]

SBMM wouldn't be so bad if that's what they actually used but they don't

[@caseycameron5370]

Spot on SBMM has nothing to do with what they're implementing every one asks the wrong questions that's why that white paper was bullshit coz it was the wrong question

[@Mohawx28]

I swear. SBMM is fine but when COD is the only multiplayer game that I'm getting packer burst and bad connection, it has to be something more than SBMM

[@TheFPSFury]

​@Mohawx28 yeah got to love where they put in their blog post "ping is king" where you get lobbys that are 30ms ping up to like 90ms ping while the enemies and other teammates got single digit ms ping. Ping is just a suggestion for the matchmaking

[@adnsalazar2]

​@Mohawx28 it's called eomm manipulation

[@adaBennyX]

I've taken CoD seriously since MW Remastered (when I first found your channel). My multiplayer KD is 1.6 and Warzone is 1.9. When I load into a respawn multiplayer match, I feel like the game takes into account that I need to carry my team. If I don't perform at my best, the team will most likely lose. Then I might play mediocre for 2-4 matches and have one game where I completely dominate the lobby with a 3 to 5 KD. It's also tiring to play against players who abuse certain cheese strategies that they need to use to win, like riot shields, grenade spamming, shotguns, and spawn sniping. But I also get why they do it; they meet sweaty players like myself and just want to win.

[@iAmL3J3ND]

This pretty much explains what multiplayer is like for solo players on both CoD and Xdefiant. Great video 🙏🏽

[@shtaufaker5211]

The better you are at your job, the more extra crap you'll be forced to do for no extra money. The more you invest into a girl, the more repulsed towards you she becomes. So yeah, SBMM accurately depicts life in general.

[@csbr75]

Second one is incel bullcrap but whatever

[@Onesocialistboi]

@@csbr75 I knew from the Pepe icon they were gonna make it bigoted somehow 💀

[@ApsmneShsbshu]

Clearly you’ve never had a girl

[@PapaJoJ]

@@csbr75 you'll eat those words in the future at divorce court

[@greg_one_izm]

@@PapaJoJ Or.. Hear me out... Don't get married? Not even on some incel shit just on the basis of allowing the government into your finances or even just allowing someone into your space to make it their own.. That shit sounds awful to me

[@Boolsowhat]

That’s wild. I have like a 5. something KD on the og mw3. I know I wouldn’t be able to get anywhere near that in these new cods.

[@Giraffeontrampoline]

Damn my first time back in awhile and that different intro song messed with me!

[@NerosCinema]

Its been changed man haha the old one is now copyrighted. ProleteR said he was working on making so I could use it, but so far no luck

[@baggytony]

@@NerosCinemabring it back 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@BurningMoreXP]

In BO3 I was 2.3 KD.. BO4 I was 2.0 KD.. now in the newer CODs I can barely hit 1.4 KD.. bro and the lobbies now are a literal torture it’s like the lobbies are made by the devil himself.

[@jrjhughes1233]

Oh boy. Another vid about SBMM

[@OCovilDoMarcos]

Outrage, it's what drives engagement nowadays on social media. Be it big or small, it's always outrage.

[@NotG2AimbotEG]

MW3 would be a great game if EOMM/SBMM wasn’t a thing

[@IAmConorr]

To offer an alternate point of view, we all reminisce about the old days of COD, could it be with the rise of information regarding the overall game and how it plays people are just a lot better on average than how they were 10 years ago? The player base is down overall and the guys that play it now are clearly enthusiasts, in my thoughts that would mean that naturally the avg player is just better than they were. SBMM is an issue, don’t get me wrong, but could it be that it’s just harder now?

[@TheFuriousJ]

certainly

[@SpencerJahnke]

1.39K/D. Camo grind tanked it. 0.80W/L Search&Destroy exclusively. "Last 10 Games" stat fluctuates between 2.5-5.0K/D. If you're good, you're not on my team when I solo queue. SBMM has noticeably changed since the BO6 beta. As a network engineer by trade, I can assure my connection is superb. Last statement being a preface to: MW3 matches now throttle my connection to the server. Ping&packet spikes, decreased hit detection, and even kicking me (and friends if partied together) from the lobby; evident when we can join back. I'm not a stat guy, but wouldn't the average K/D be 1.00? For every kill, there's a death? If there's 12 players in TDM, the winning six all went 20/10, and the losing six went 5/40 10/30 15/15 10/15 10/0 & 10/20... no matter if you average the K/D by individual OR by team, the median is 1.00... since the developers aren't transparent with any of this info and only provide it to the content creators to peddle to us, this .86 average just seems like misinformation to me. 🤷‍♂️

[@christianj606]

@@SpencerJahnke it seems like 0,86 is the modus. A 0,86 kd has the most players.

[@FlowKom]

i hate this discourse so much because the people that are "able to chill and relax" are the 0.8KD players that are okay with going 20-19 or 18-23.... the higher tier players are NOT. that is a BAD stat.. they want a 40-20 at LEAST.. "back in the day we were just able to chill and have fun" - your definition of fun in COD is being able to dominate the lobby without having to try/sweat and still going ultry positive... you demand this back at the cost of lower skill players having fun at all in this game. thats why player retention is so good with sbmm.. players that arent obsessed with high KD and im talking 2.0 and higher, are having fun going 20-20 at the end of a match and the odd 25-15. but the loud crowd on reddit that hates sbmm is not okay with these stats. they want stomping back. this "i want to chill" sentiment so fricking dishonest and i hate it. ADMIT that you want stomping. ADMIT that you want other players to get shit on, just so YOURE have more fun with the game. also WHAT do you want? do you want "chill" lobbies where theres also a lot of bad players on both teams? sometimes more in your team than in the enemy team? or do you want a balanced experience; ie. where most players are going for the win aka "sweating" ??? which one is it ?? cod very foundation (sadly) is that a single kill is so easy that getting one isnt giving you any excitement only huge streaks etc do. thats why killstreaks even exists, wich is a bad mechanic anyway if you think about it: youre already so much better than your opponents that you beat most of them in most gunfights, and then you are rewared with a wallhack mini map and a huge gunship to shit on even more than you already are???

[@TheFuriousJ]

very true

[@shannonjones8877]

So much this but they don't want to hear it. If they really wanted to play in unranked without sweating, they could just play in unranked without sweating. But they don't want to relax in unranked; they want to win. So they _try_ to win, but get mad that they get matched against players approaching the game with the same mindset. If they wanted to "chill", they could just chill. But then of course if they just chilled they wouldn't be able to flex. So they instead choose to be tryhards.

[@KroozeTV]

for the beta, i decided to make a brand new account and test it out for myself. the very first game nobody was using omnimovement. the other players did shoot back but it wasnt anything like ive played in previous cods recently. i got around 40 kills and about 10 deaths just casually running around and shooting. the very next game after that, i was put into lobbies with people sliding, diving off stairs, using omnimovement and felt like i was back on my original account all cause my first game i had a decent/good game. idc if anyone else buys the game but that gave me all the confirmation i needed to keep away from this franchise another year.

[@JasonRichardTesch]

It's probably less stressful to just ignore the sbmm and play the game.

[@Mike-HF]

I can’t ignore the best player on my team having 9 kills while the best enemy player has 89. I joined mid match.

[@ps3beatswii]

Messing around with RPGs while you have crackheads with meta loadouts as opponents is a recipe for disaster.

[@Mike-HF]

@@ps3beatswii I love messing around with RPGs while messing around with RPGs.

[@michaelespeland]

Sounds like something a below average player would say. Try to ignore it while having a 2 k/d

[@violentnewworld]

Being the solo good player on a team always gets me. Its down to standard team balancing. There also was a point in time when i as convinced that my team mates were bots of various abilities that have the specific goal of making games closer/aka more competitive.

[@Kxpure007]

Dude, just play a different game?

[@timcolliver9229]

It's not the sbmm that's bad it's the active nerfing mid match I'll be frying fool's and all of a sudden I can't kill no one bullet's don't register and I die like 7 times in a row then out of nowhere I start killing fool's again that's what frustrating

[@crispycrusader146]

Basically just summed up the Stockholm Syndrome people feel about the franchise. I quit during MW2022 and gaming suddenly became fun for me again (somehow, not sure why...)

[@ExtraAware]

(1.8KD -> 1.33 after camos -> 1.8 after clawing back up) I’ve noticed they no longer put “better” players against me. It’s either my team has 2-3 players without a single kill thru most of the map, or the enemy team has 2-3 players going super negative. It’s challenging but when that’s all you get, it can get frustrating

[@FrostNoCommentary]

I literally just got done watching like 3 of your videos and now you just uploaded! Love your videos! :)

[@stephenwambold5407]

Man I've been stuck at a 1.01 k/d since like early mw2 life cycle. Can't get lower and can't get higher, my lobbies are nothing but the sweatiest/most hacker filled I've ever seen

[@EverythingTechTime]

I haven't played cod (or videogames at all) consistently in years, but still watch these videos. Love you Nero 😂

[@PlayingCaloy]

11:03 almost like work. The better you are the harder the work you get

[@apexpredator2209]

Fax

[@ps3beatswii]

As someone with a smidge over 1 flat, I concur. My lobbies are almost always AIDS with little room to goof off and HAVE FUN. There is no universe where they should have ever paired me with iridescent players, but they DID. On multiple occasions.

[@Doughnuts]

Been playing MWII (2022) lately, it seems as though less people are playing, there's a LOT less SBMM can effect your games. It's been really fun lately. Might actually get Orion one day!

[@Snackbeard]

My overall KD in MW3 is ~2.5 but on some weapons also close to 3. I only play Small Map Moshpit. Most of the time I get around 80 kills, my kill record is around 150. In many matches I have the highest kills AND did most for the objective. Kill Confirmed I have 60 kills and 50 confirms. Hardpoint 100 kills and 120 seconds hill time and so on. Yet the games are always close or we just lose without ever standing a chance. My team rarely dominates. When I pick a sniper and play very defensive we lose. My team doesn't stand a chance. Very often I have as many kills as all of my teammates combined. It's like they try to balance 'my skill' by putting worse players in my team. In lots of games the 2nd best (with me on 1st place) in my team has less kills than the worst player in the enemy team (and also less objectives). There was one extreme case that was actually pretty funny. I played with a buddy of pretty equal skill. We both had around 80 kills each and had advanced uavs non stop. At the end we had a look at the scoreboard and ALL of our teammates had less than 15 kills each. ?!?!? How is that possible. Every enemy player was better ALTHOUGH we had an advanced uav uptime of 80%. I always have the recon jugger as a scorestreak to focus more on the objective (if needed). But most of the time I let my mates pick it up and almost all of them don't even know that this streak has a shotgun as a secondary weapon. They don't even try to switch weapons. They just run in and die in 10 seconds while it is actually pretty easy to get 15 or more kills with it. Yet the SBMM like this is actually fine for me. MW3 beta and launch sbmm was crazy but around 3 seasons ago they reduced it heavily. Closed BO6 beta sbmm was extreme, open beta was ok but still a bit stricter compared to MW3

[@PrymicFPS]

I made and alt account about a month ago after getting shadowbanned. After about 5k kills I averaged a 3kd, this is the part of the life cycle where the good players are either gone or they aren’t playing against good players. When I play with 1-3 Iri ranked players, we play against 1 kd players but our teammates will be triple negative and only getting score from the OBJ

[@McLuvinUK]

My Kd is exactly 1 in MW3 and that description describes my lobbies perfectly, it’s insane. I swear it’s not based on one game either, I’m sure it uses my entire CoD history (played every game forever) to get my lobbies skill level

[@superdankpotato]

I feel your pain. Im also a 1.3kd player, and I feel like Im punished for doing good. The first game will go really good, maybe even a win or two. After that sbmm kicks in, and I get bad lobbies the rest of the night.

[@triplewave5214]

The only solution is to put on a podcast and play the game knife only

[@cXnJohn]

I find similarly myself, i go from 1 game where i dominate everyone, 40 kills and 3 deaths, then the next game is like my previous game was verses bots because i struggle to go positive, then the games tend to get a little easier for a short while, but still having to fight hard for a positive KD then i will get another crazy game that feels like bots (with names i had struggled with in previous rounds) To me it literally feels like if you do well you are actively punished by matchmaking, it feels like you are purposefully put against higher level players while having half a team of severely negative players, last night in HD TDM, i was 51 kills to 5 deaths, the next person on my team was 14 kills to 21 deaths, lost the round by 25 points because the other 5 players on my team were severely negative. I just miss the random nature of old CoD, BO2 is still my favourite CoD of all time because i was literally called a cheater in every game.

[@BlackWidowYT_FPS]

You mentioned losing 70% of the time when you play solo on XDefiant. I can totally relate. I don’t have as many friends on XDefiant either, so I often find myself going back to CoD. There was one session where I lost nearly two hours of gameplay on XDefiant, even though I was consistently top of the team, but my teammates just weren’t pulling through. My KD on XDefiant is around 1.5 with a 3K skill level, while my CoD KD is slightly lower at 1.35 (usually around 1.5 in past titles, except Infinite Warfare where it was 1.9). Still, even with a 1.35 KD, the solo lobbies are brutal-whether it’s CoD or XDefiant.

[@noahcashman9012]

Everyone used to have 2+kd’s because it was before call of duty was determined to make everyone’s KD a 1.0 via SBMM

[@TechnoReverseChannel]

I wonder when COD will ever come to the realization that there is a literal mode for SBMM called ranked. Why would they make their casual playlist ranked without any rank to show for it? lmfao

[@imnewage5417]

This explains alot. I have a 1.5 kd and i was always comparing it to the bo2 days where i had a 2.8 kd. I thought i was just getting washed but now that im apparently better than 90% of people it makes so much sense! It feels like i am always the reason we lose or win. When i play good we win but if i dont we lose- nobody carries me……

[@Diamond-Duck]

I get matched with bad players all the time, and even though I always take down aerial streaks with the Stormender, my team still gets obliterated by the enemy.

[@bbobson2k]

Ironically I posted a link to your initial video plus JGOD's commentary on it to that subreddit thread. Different KZbin vs Reddit user (I live in the world of IT security, data and privacy so enough said).

[@Deadkandy]

That explains why I had more fun in CoD when I was bad at the game lmao. I'm always at the top of the scoreboard and I lose most of the time. For example, there are times where I get 75+ kills in Hardpoint, literally carrying the game, but since I am the only one carrying the whole time vs the full other six, then obviously, I lose.

[@Indacouchh]

As an almost 2kd player that works full time and only plays a couple hours a week, cod is no longer a game I can go to have a fun chill time. Punished for being competent at the game so only get matched with sweaty ranked play kids that only use the most meta loadouts and skins. For the people that will say “get gud”, think if you’re playing the campaign but you can only keep the difficulty on veteran and can’t change it.. when you’re up for the challenge it’s fun but when you’ve just worked for 10 hours and want to squeeze a couple matches in before bed then it just feels like bs

[@CrimsoniteSP]

Welcome to the even darker side, Nero. Where you've unlocked awareness of the true issues at hand. It's why I don't play Cod. Pretty much quit entirely.

[@franman4538]

It's so real being a good player, you can drop over 100 kills and swarms every game and I still never win

[@WizardDoom]

Yeah in Black Ops 2 I had a 2.something kd and was on top pretty much every game, but in the reboots of mw it got so crazy withsbmm

[@juliov982]

team matchmaking 🤯 i felt this,from mp to warzone,i get headaches. Players who been playing a while can tell when you cant read the freaking red dots on the mini map. 🤯

[@jeffreyjohnson5823]

I think maybe the idea is that by the time you've gotten that far, you have met other players to squad up with once you reach those levels. Randoms make it harder due to not playing the objectives.

[@heinerstephan9672]

What most of the critics often forgot: There is zero benefit in beeing good or becoming better in COD anymore. In the older CODs it was the total opposite: the longer and better you play, the faster you earn prestige, camos etc. Actually its more or less even for everyone. You‘re bad? No problem, you are garantued as much kills as the good ones, cause you play against your skill opponents over and over. That the good or very good player as to sweat for his life to earn 10 kills doesnt matter. On top of that: If you want to try a different gun, you get punished. You have to choose the meta weapons of you want to compete well - otherwise you loose. There are so many issues with SBMM in COD, a game that is designed to be casualy and not for professional gaming like CStrike. And I totaly agree: Im bored out. I even didnt played the BO6 Beta and wont buy COD anymore. Im really out. Sad to say

[@killsophic2802]

I’ve noticed this since Cold War. I would play against the same people consistently in ranked and quick play. Hovered around a 2.89 KD. Played one game of B06 after not playing for 3 years and noticed how much more sweaty the match’s are. It’s just not the same anymore.

[@CBARS82]

I been playing Cod since Cod 2. I stopped playing MW3 in S4. I got tired of Packet Drops and inconsistent pings after playing good in prior games. I have not preorded BO6 and currently don't plan on getting it. So far so good

[@ezmoneyy149]

I've done the same tests on one account and its just as bad. The last few years ive muscle memoroes myself into dying over and over towards end game if i have close to a 1.5 i FEAR the over tuned BS SBMM

[@ghostinyourattic3545]

8:00 yup, 100% feel like im usually playing against a party but when im in a party usually we win a lot more often.

[@plimm1]

I 100% agree with this. This is the experience I'm having as well as a well over 1kd player. The game is playing us.

[@naDalous]

I had a 1.4kd throughout the beta, and the list of KD explanations was VERY accurate to my experience at least

[@jonathanrose9677]

Homie couldnt resist making a sbmm video lol

[@Randy-l5e]

I played Purgatory over the wknd. It seemed to have a mix of everyone. Some real sweats, and some real bots all in one. Was fun AF.

[@TypanCZE]

In Xdefiant team balancing is very poorly executed if you have K/D 2 and above, for me this was the reason why I stopped playing.

[@Sk8TheBapes]

I often end up with one other teammate doing well, while the rest of the team struggles. This happens a lot in all of the shooters I play.