Why Gamers Hate Motion Control (In Their Own Words)

A very biased (but correct) look at the arguments commonly made against motion control and a thoroughly depressing trawl through a KZbin comments section.
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[@A_Random_Rat]

Shout out to these guys who can't even move their wrist without feeling like they ran a marathon

[@Jtak-qu5hk]

Dude they can't move you have to scream

[@voidling2632]

sometimes its too much. i got damn wrist pains with mario kart on wii

[@rimerutempest6348]

Lol

[@deml8553]

@Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 who said anything about Kinect. everyone already knows that the kinect is shit.

[@mzemsh7187]

Don't you move your wrist with keyboard and mouse? I've played on keyboard and mouse for 6 years and I think you do

[@ChipChapChop]

I think the funniest thing is that I have observed tons of people who, unconsciously tilt their controllers slightly while aiming or steering; especially people new to games. It's almost as if it's innate.

[@GenesisLZH]

ChipChapChop good point lol

[@yakarotsennin3115]

ChipChapChop It’s almost as if we expected motion to translate to input *BEFORE* motion controls existed.

[@matthewheinlen9164]

I know I do this; and it keeps messing up my aim when I use Gyro aiming because it’s hard for me to consciously compensate for. :( That being said I have nothing against Gyro aiming; it just has been a bit annoying for me in my limited interaction with it.

[@Utkarsh_A]

When I was younger I used to do it all the time thinking it was doing something on my PS2 controller lol

[@alvareo92]

I remember when Mario Kart Wii came out, we could finally drive like a casual gamer!

[@foxygramp_1973]

real gamers use fight sticks for FPS, wiimotes for fighting games, steering wheels for discord and the limited edition "Resident Evil 4 Chainsaw Controller™" for runescape

[@stevethepocket]

You forgot about Guitar Hero controllers.

[@insectoid_creature]

I think the nerrel comment section is the funniest place on the internet

[@bigtrent3600]

DK Bongos for 3D platformers

[@heroslippy6666]

What no DK bongo drums?

[@ajddavid452]

@@stevethepocket guitar hero controller for dark souls(btw some madlad actually beaten dark souls with a guitar hero controller)

[@kazmark_gl8652]

I like how someone called you an "apologist" like motion controls were some kind of warcrime or disgraced regime.

[@jeromealday614]

Ikr

[@thisisdeathhec]

BECAUSE THEY AREEEEEEEEE jk anybody plays how they want

[@Exarian]

People like that are ACTUALLY what the phrase "go touch grass" was made for. Like, people getting into twitter discourse over stuff that at least tangentially is related to something that matters is one thing... But making a personal, moral stand against Motion Controls? That's someone who hasn't paid attention to anything but their specific niche corner of gaming for years.

[@josedorsaith5261]

This is serious business

[@ianrager]

@@Exarian The pandemic has me out-here thinking I posted this exact comment years ago. In other words: 𝘽𝘼𝙎𝙀𝘿. 𝘼𝙎. 𝘼 𝘽 𝙎 𝙊 𝙇 𝙐 𝙏 𝙀 . 𝙁 𝙐 𝘾 𝙆 .

[@nastyhunnter]

I played Red Dead 2 after playing Breath of the Wild and I found myself moving my controller around when trying to aim. It made me realize how well BotW implemented gyro aim into the game.

[@antimatter3084]

Red Dead 2 aims for you though

[@nastyhunnter]

@@antimatter3084 Yeah, but I would still move the controller to aim for headshots or other nearby enemies.

[@Monti1999]

Yeah BotW's aiming is really nice😍

[@freestalkerdotfr6391]

In fact, when aiming in the bow minigame with a stick in Wind Wakers GC I was very frustrated because with a mouse, it would far easier, the WiiU version would be far better with giro. Same with all other bow minigames that use the stick to aim. In BotW I use the stick to turn the camera and I use the stick + the giro to aim. I think that's why in Metroid Prime 1 & 2 they didn't do a classic FPS, players would have been frustrated. Wiimote is also very frustrating in Skyward Sword with the bow minigame, with giro it wouldn't have make me anger everytime the Wii remote uncentered. Giro is a good thing but IMO you have to use the stick to change the camera position and set the aimcross as near as your target.

[@JosepiThe13th]

Sean S BotW and RDR2: *are both critically acclaimed masterpieces and one even won game of the year* You, the random troll on the internet no one cares about: They both were bad lel.

[@anthonyconde7604]

9:22 Confession: I sometimes used to spin my whole body when playing Mario Galaxy and had the stupidest fun doing it.

[@obsidianflight8065]

no shame mario galaxy is my favorite and when i finally think about saving my money again im going to do that when i get a wii

[@bread8036]

That sounds incredible. Thank you for sharing your findings.

[@_________________________8907]

this is one of the best things I've ever heard

[@aubreyh1930]

I did it for twilight princess. It was so fun

[@galaxymew5138]

Lol same

[@haipabli7670]

I have dysgraphia, meaning that my fingers suck at precise movements and when aiming with analog sticks I just can't aim properly. this is when motion controls saved my life when I played the Wii version of the twilight princess as it was infinitely better to aim a bow or the claw shots n shit. The same goes for pc too.

[@mohamedbelbaali659]

I did even know that was a thing so I ad to google it real quick at least you find your solution fam

[@malters7136]

Ayo me too

[@user-ti6us2br4x]

Ayy glad you found your way mate

[@katarina7520]

i have arthritis and repetitive movements can make me sore very quickly or even cause inflammation. i really don't understand the backlash towards gyro. sure it's hard to get used to at first, just like any other controls (and I'm speaking as someone who only just started using your standard console controller this year), but once you do it's so much easier and more precise.

[@Treetops27]

This is why more control options are beneficial.

[@ChernobylGuy]

I like to imagine that first gyro control pitching went a little bit like this: -You know, when you play games, you move controller as if it's helping? -Yeah -But what if it, like, worked?

[@esmooth919]

That is almost exactly how I taught my girlfriend's cousin to play Splatoon. Lol

[@Soliye.]

I personally prefer using a wheel and pedals when it comes to FPS

[@RodjeSan]

and all the power to you, good sir

[@RodjeSan]

go drift on some noobs topkek

[@Soliye.]

@@RodjeSan Kick the clutch to reload

[@RodjeSan]

Hell yeah

[@ktmridmcy7336]

Soliye shift gears to use scope

[@mnmmcg3543]

My brother says he can't get into Skyward Sword, as he has the most debilitating disability imaginable: Being left-handed.

[@kayorego6420]

Oh, that sucks so hard, my brother also have this "disability" kkkkkk

[@dinosoares2145]

The disability to end all disabilities

[@puellabella3580]

Im left handed and I defend skyward for being a good game despite the flaws

[@seseiSeki]

@Aaron As far as I know, the Link from Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess for Wii are the only Links that are right handed, because of many people holding the Wiimote in their right hand.

[@seseiSeki]

@Aaron I think so too. Wait... I just checked BotW. He's right handed there as well. In Smash Bros. Ultimate too. I never noticed...

[@MrRonski]

6:36 some disabilities could actually benefit from gyro controls. Those who are missing a Thumb or just have a hard time moving their thumb will be able to play the game much easier.

[@mohamedbelbaali659]

yeah apparently people whit ''dysgraphia'' have a hard time whit joysticks

[@spiderlink1248]

I don't think this counts as a disability, but, I was born with both of my thumbs being in a lower place than normal, and that gives me a REALLY hard time using stuff day-to-day, I can barely even use my phone with one hand just to go check the time. It doesn't get much in the way of playing games, but I'd rather just play on either keyboard or with motion controllers, rather than controllers without motion control options, just because they feel more comfortable to me, because of the thumbs.

[@abstractdaddy1384]

@@spiderlink1248 So your hands look more like a chimps? Are there any benefits?

[@spiderlink1248]

@@abstractdaddy1384 not exactly lower to that extent, but I'd say I can at least hold things better, I guess, since there's more of my hand wrapping around the object. I never really looked at the advantages before. Huh.

[@abstractdaddy1384]

@@spiderlink1248 Yeah it sounds interesting. Can you palm a basketball?

[@Isegawa2001]

The inverse point about accessibility is also true. Some people might have poor control over their fingers but can use their arms just fine, or finely enough that motion is a playable option.

[@zealot246]

As someone with neurological damage that can give me hands shakier than post crash doctor strange, thank you for mentioning how it needs to be optional

[@adhuk7476]

As someone who enjoys motion controls in my games i appreciate your ability to accept the concept of optional motion controls instead of leaving a retarded comment despite having more of a right to complain about motion controls. I wish more people were okay with optional control schemes like you.

[@sardonical5684]

The more options the better and that's perfectly ok with me

[@LeonOcto]

Well it IS optional

[@zealot246]

@Mai Nyigguh Excuse me fucker, do you wanna tell me that my documented neurological disorder isn't disability?

[@GroundHOG-2010]

@Mai Nyigguh Oh wow, never though I would see someone use such a ridiculous argument. Your argument is the equivalent of saying that because there are people who are blind out there, anyone who is partially sighted is incredibly disrespectful to those who are blind, without even understanding the context for the person who is partially sighted. This person who you stated is "incredibly disrespectful" likely has a documentable reason for why their hands shake, and it is probably something again that is documentably going to have an impact on what they can do. Just because it isn't "typing through a straw" levels of disabled does not mean it isn't a disability. For another example, lets say you have someone who has problems with their ligaments in their right hand (the hand they write with), leading to pain from time to time as well as frequent sprains if they do too much including writing. This is going to cause problems for them, they won't be able to write a lot because they would likely sprain their wrist, or playing specific sports is not really possible without massive amounts of pain. This is still a limiting factor, it is still a disability despite again not really being visible or as bad as the example you are talking about. This doesn't mean that the person is "just weak, not disabled", because again this is verifiable (in the example I am giving, the person has ligaments 4-5 times the size they should be because of how much scar tissue there is). Again, disabilities aren't just this you can't do anything sort of thing. They can be anything that significantly causes issues. They can range from being as visible as someone on crutches, to people who look completely normal. They can effect people in every possible conceivable way, from simple physical tasks, to sensing, to emotion. To add onto this, your examples are notable poor when it comes to things not being for everyone. Books are notable for being some of the most widely accessible things out there, from not only different languages, but also audiobooks for those who can't use their eyes at that moment, hell, there is books for those who cannot physically see that also work for those who cannot hear or see. Movies can't really accommodate those who cannot see that easily (outside of radio plays), but for those who cannot hear there is still subtitles as an option. Using either of these to justify such an opinion of such feeling as "we shouldn't care about being inclusive of those who have disablities or difficulties" is rather disgusting, especially when the difference we are talking about at the moment is control mappings.

[@dukemon6163]

You know you have played too much Splatoon when you go to a friend's house to try Uncharted 4. And then you move the controller to aim by pure instinct... and then you get killed. (And the friend looks at you like you are crazy...)

[@McCaroni_Sup]

This happened to me, and yes, it was splatoon and uncharted 4

[@GamingWarlord64]

That has happend to me so much when i go to another shooter game

[@FGZPYR]

i came back to splatoon for the final fest after a very long break. forgot how great motion controls are, even if they can be a bit confusing at start haha

[@siriuskndfgsegg7495]

Yea, once your mind gets used to gyro it takes a while to recalibrate for more normal controls

[@debleb166]

When you're playing a paintball game and attempt to turn into squid form.........

[@AnthonyCSN]

I also love when people say "Motion Controls are dead" every VR head set comes with two advanced Wii Motes!!!

[@thalos730]

“the future is vr” “motion control is trash”

[@sidma5661]

I don't get why Nintendo didn't jump into the VR bandwagon. I hope their next system is VirtualBoy 2. A Zelda game in VR would be great.

[@vaudou_]

@@sidma5661 Because it's niche and Nintendo can't afford to throw money away on a product that won't sell

[@sidma5661]

@@vaudou_ Nintendo is popular because they make niche weird shit. Also if they actually make a really good Zelda game in VR, their VR headsets would sell millions. Also, is it really niche if Facebook and Apple is putting billions of dollars of investment for it?

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

​@@sidma5661 Yeah, kinda. Apple makes literally anything, and facebook is trying it's damnest to be relevant again. It's catching on but it's still a pretty small margin of the market.

[@tylergillian4047]

I love how non-apologetically spiteful Nerrel is. Lots of YTer's care a lot about their public image and damage control, but a solid amount of this video is just calling stupid arguments stupid as is.

[@moongirl-d9h]

this guy gives no shits about being nice and respectful online and it's great

[@captainnebraska3197]

Dude I subbed for this precise reason.

[@Sam-vf5uc]

"calling stupid arguments stupid as is" You mean strawmanning people he disagrees with and committing ad hominem attacks on them? Yep, that's some brutal 'honesty' right there.

[@moongirl-d9h]

@@Sam-vf5uc you sure it's a strawman argument?

[@randomduck8679]

@Queen Adrian Used "unironically" unironically. Opinion discarded. Wait, fuck!

[@ashlet6035]

When discussing accessibility for disabled gamers it's important to note that in some cases motion controls make it MORE accessible for those who have less fine motor function in their fingers.

[@luigifan4585]

@Andrés Eduardo Clavasquin Regalado >They suck at moving a 3D character Aim-based keyboard strafing: Allow me to introduce myself But I still get what ya mean

[@seangallagher9435]

Even then, people who hate motion controls don’t care about accessibility, only when they can make a sad post faking carpal tunnel and osteomyelitis

[@YourCrazyDolphin]

Speaking of accessibility, it also is much easier for those not-so-used to gaming to get into than memorizing a button scheme. Though we hate to admit it gamers can be a bit elitist, and forget that there are skill levels below them, people not "gaming literate". It is much easier to translate "swing the remote to swing the sword" as opposed to remembering to "press A to swing the sword". The motion is already associated with the action, unlike the button where you have to learn it.

[@Nosidda]

@@YourCrazyDolphin Very very true. As an example, I really want to get my mom into Animal Crossing, because I know she'd love it, but she's gaming illiterate. She has a tough time using a TV remote, let alone learn the control scheme of a controller to play a video game, yet when she played Wii Sports back when it was new, it came naturally to her, and she loved it.

[@jp.m4a]

@@Nosidda you could try getting her to play City Folk since all it's functions can be used with just a Wii Mote

[@plant3202]

Isn’t a mouse just motion control because you’re waving your arm around on the table while holding a thing?

[@El_Andru]

Isn't moving the mouse around... waggle?! *Eeeeevil music*

[@lively2774]

wait

[@common_json]

Omg it is

[@creepwit86]

this guy got big brain

[@lewis9s]

O_O

[@Calintares]

Sounds like the main issue for a lot of people is they hated the Wii and Kinect and that tainted the concept of motion controls in their minds. I'd wager there would be a lot less pushback if it was called something that didn't evoke those memories

[@M.F.Hafizhan]

'Gyro control'?

[@sirramic202]

The wii and kinect stole my innocence.

[@SpaghettiMaker]

Groovy controls

[@lethauntic]

The moment they see hands moving a single degree up or down they would probably start screaming, though.

[@vhufhu]

The Wii is definitely what gave motion controls it's bad name. The amount of shovelware with terrible, unnecessary motion controls on that system was always going to give them a bad reputation

[@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506]

The people who hate motion controls because they don’t use them would be like me saying “destroy all elevators I use the stairs”

[@bigbearsbrother9513]

That’s a good way to put it

[@DoomKid]

Actually since most people hate them due to laziness, it would be like destroying all the stairs so people have to use elevators! :p

[@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506]

@@DoomKidmost of the time they’re optional so that doesn’t make sense

[@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506]

@@bigbearsbrother9513 thanks

[@whade62000]

Other way around may be more appropriate You use the stairs if you move Also if you have stairs in your building you're being rude to old and disabled people

[@TeamUncontained]

There is only one issue I have with motion/gyro control: For handheld devices like the 3DS or Switch in portable mode, having to TURN THE SCREEN away from a good viewing angle is irritating and disorienting.

[@ibby_h5574]

Yeah but my strategy and most people's strategy as well, is to use the right stick along with the motion aiming so you don't get too uncomfortable aiming your console too far right or left.

[@argonauts56au1kera6]

I understand 3DS but Switch? I think the Switch screen is great and is good to play in every position the screen is in. But maybe that’s my experience.

[@jerichode]

Thus the idea of it being toggleable.

[@calamitify3140]

Just take the joycons out and use the dog, set the switch in front of you and use the dogcon

[@mrmaniac3]

Mobile games are way worse

[@ClassicPopble]

Can't state enough how much I like how you keep everything that's been put in the garbage truck visible. Oh also good video.

[@tomstonemale]

I wonder how it would look in five years.

[@ClassicPopble]

@@tomstonemale Magnificent. Might have to add some extra trucks though or upgrade to a landfill

[@Soulessblur]

dude, you gotta tell me which videos he added trash in, I never noticed that.

[@TheRTDZ]

Nerrel, you’ve got it all wrong. Hating motion control isn’t about fun or being accurate, it’s about making sure Ubisoft stops making games about the freaking rabbids.

[@Meilybloomy]

I don't know the context to this and honestly it makes it funnier.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

Kingdom battle is good tho

[@diegov1743]

This would be funny if the rabbid games weren't the closest thing to a good game Ubisoft has done for the past decade

[@thegreatgonzales6813]

@@diegov1743 Rayman Legends?

[@diegov1743]

@@thegreatgonzales6813 well my statement turns true in around a year and 2 months

[@Shadyam]

"Who wants to stand for hours on end?" Vr gamers: 👉👈

[@thekirbyfighter2724]

I agree because I have a quest 2

[@gafhs1235]

vr games that have a sitting down option: yes of course

[@reptarien]

I almost always sit when playing in VR, I'm not gonna lie. It's more comfortable for longer play sessions, and when you get disorented, having a chair to hold onto, or being able to easily take the headset off is a god send.

[@lemon3389]

Summary of this video : Motion controls are just like any other input scheme, or controller. Do it right and it enhances the experience. Do it poorly (and/or force it on the player) and it will break it.

[@visualgagging]

Also: make motion controls a toggleable option so that everyone’s happy

[@harrylane4]

@@visualgagging every input should have options. The fact that some games (on console at least) still don't have button remapping shows that we'll never get toggles for gyro, unfortunately

[@matthegarty6235]

@@harrylane4 Both PS4 and Xbox one have an app that allows you to remap controls tho

[@internetguy7319]

Lemon But Splatoon

[@gdawgmainguy17]

...Yeah, that's about right.

[@mickjaegar2379]

Motion controls really are the "Green eggs and ham" of gaming.

[@ChipChapChop]

Ha! Exactly! Someone needs to make this a thing!

[@pliat]

na, that is vr m8, always thought it was a gimmick until I tried it. it is great. it it motion controls taken to the next level.

[@mickjaegar2379]

@@pliat Ah yes, I'm excited for Boneworks. It looks like it'll set the standard for future VR titles. And HL Alyx will also hopefully be really good

[@MaxLoafin]

@@pliat yeah pretty much. The motion controllers themselves are even more similar to regular controllers i.e. they have a decent amount of buttons and a good layout. _Looking at you, Wii._ _Where's the rest of your fucking buttons!?_ 😂

[@obsidianflight8065]

@UltimateGeek please dont eat your playstation

[@allthingsgaming6]

The only criticism I have of gyro aiming is just that I suck at it

[@joedav67]

Just remember that you sucked at all other types of aiming at first.

[@PrincessShokora2002]

Git gud

[@guzuv]

fellas, it’s just a joke.

[@delgat000]

Nobody hates games more than “gamers.”

[@joshuahancock2079]

It’s sad how true this is…

[@wileymanful]

Yeah lmao

[@kingboobs20]

Yesterday it was motion controls today it's non-fanservicey female characters simply existing.

[@Puppy_Puppington]

I get the message, but not true. What about the insane conservative radical groups against video games?

[@wileymanful]

@@Puppy_Puppington yeah people like that don't really exist any more

[@irtijaadib42069]

Here is an easy fix. Select your aim type: >Motion >Stick >Button

[@coffeemug1012]

Button aim sounds like nightmare fuel

[@peterchrist1945]

@@coffeemug1012 DS call of duty

[@TeaTheSecond]

How do you aim with buttons???

[@peterchrist1945]

@@TeaTheSecond the nintendo DS had Call of Duty and the two ways to play were with a stylus or buttons, like a dpad for looking up,down,left, and right

[@TeaTheSecond]

@@peterchrist1945 thank you very much for the information never thought that was a thing that the camera gets turned with a digital pad

[@ThatNotSoAznKid]

I bought Splatoon 2 on launch and it was my roommates first Splatoon game. At first he was adamant that gyro aiming was stupid and complained loudly and angrily when I asked him why he wouldn't even try it. A couple days later I come home from work and as soon as I walk through the door he yells from the couch "I'm sorry for ever doubting you, dude." Lots of people who complain about motion control never actually played a game that used it properly.

[@Gio-kg4gb]

k

[@gregorymirabella1423]

*gasp* a gamer... who admits when he's wring and apologizes? can those truly exist?

[@usernametaken017]

@@gregorymirabella1423 wring

[@3dawg241]

ikr it’s pretty much impossible to do good with a charger without motion controls

[@daltonbroderson6529]

I learned how wrong I was too when I tried it on BOTW. I immediately became much faster and accurate

[@krisstasko]

"Keyboards and mice" That delivery is gold

[@Nogahs]

Splatoon is what turned me around on motion controls. Oddly enough, I had never really played multiplayer shooters until that game, too. Only single player ones and typically they were survival horror. Resident Evil 4-6, The Evil Within, Vanquish, and now that I’m typing it out, pretty much just Shinji Mikami games. Friends had me pickup online games like Fortnite with them and it was such an uphill struggle, especially when you’re going up against PC players. This just convinced me to look into adapting Gyro to all other shooters I play. Thanks, Nerrel. Also, I don’t know if you intended to say it, but someone who plays a lot of stick control shooters needs to try out splatoon and see how easy it is to get wrecked. It’s not an easy game by any means once you get into it. A great easy to pick up, hard to master type of game.

[@bbbbbbb51]

For me it was BotW. It was my first Switch game and the last time I interacted with motion controls in any fashion was the Wii, which I never owned or cared for. It opened my mind. I immediately bought a pro controller and started using gyro on PC. FPS games I always use m&k, but I get so incredibly taken out of TPS games on m&k due to watching the binary input move my character around so jankily. I'm able to be so much more immersed when the character I'm spending the entire game looking at moves nore naturally. Gyro was these two worlds meeting in a beautiful way I never knew was possible before. I use gyro aiming every chance I get now. Not for usual camera movement, but solely for fine tune aiming. It's been a godsend & has me playing more and more games with controller again despite switching away from consoles over a decade ago.

[@3agle280]

*"I'm using tilt controls!"*

[@gamingtoday1418]

Liar!

[@Simon-xi7lb]

Go easy on me!

[@Simon-xi7lb]

@Pikfan21 What?

[@arbi9506]

”I'm using stick controls!” *YOU'RE DEAD TO ME.*

[@ProdBy.JayLo3]

Pikfan21 Ima need sum context for this

[@JollyJuiice]

In the first Splatoon game, I was pretty adverse to using motion controls because I thought it felt weird. Needless to say, I was terrible. Then when I played the second game I decided to give gyro a try. My performance increased ten fold.

[@Tom-jw7ii]

I just wish there was an option to use gyro without changing the stick controls. I dont see how there would be any issues if you could look up and down with the stick. And why was it necessary to give the camera acceleration only when you enable motion controls.

[@charsunshermie9376]

@macattacker2 private Well for more broad movements, you should use the analog stick. The gyro controls, especially in Splatoon 2, are used for fine tuning your shots and aiming more precisely so that you actually hit your target. Motion controls are not meant to replace the analog stick. They are meant to do what the analog stick can’t do which is of course aiming precisely and moving your cursor by very small amounts without overshooting and aiming way past your target after moving the stick (which is what I used to do every time I tried to aim without motion controls.)

[@charsunshermie9376]

@macattacker2 private Yeah, I agree. The small surface area leaves the stick with not many ways to move. It makes it hard to move it between the maximum camera speed and no movement at all which is what causes the overshooting and makes it hard to adjust quickly in situations where there isn’t much time to think.

[@chironthecuddley6144]

@macattacker2 private In Splatoon 1/2, the best way to do a 180 is to use the stick and motion together because the game registers both actions and stacks them, so you just overshoot a little bit in the direction you are turning, so when you bring the controller back to center position it is in line to aim again. I know this is kinda late, but I hope it helps! Edit: I just remembered something ThatSRB2Dude talked about in an old Splatoon video, you want to treat the controller like the steering wheel on a bus, so hands are angled slightly down from the wrist, elbows are wide but not locked and you turn both hands in the opposite direction. It's really weird in concept, but it helped me a lot when I was learning motion controls.

[@GrOOvedelta93]

Lol at the splatoon 180 degrees problem. How the community goes around solving it: -Tilt down the left stick (inkling now faces you) -Press Y Done. Camera does the 180 on its own and you can continue with the game. Let it be noted that I'm not making fun of anyone having trouble with this, but the solution is so organic and widespread that it surprises me sometimes players won't consider it. This is not the first time I read about it.

[@whitetheknight1168]

The major problem with motion controls was never actually about the motion. It was about the false marketing around launch that broke trust in motion gaming before it could get out of the starting gate.

[@synthgal1090]

That isn't the fault of motion control, as stated in the video that's the fault of developers.

[@lethauntic]

I understand that, but most people who hate motion controls don't seem to even think that far. Some games worked fine, like Wii Sports, so it's not like it was always "false marketing", even if a lot (maybe even most) of the time that was the case. Regardless, even without the poor marketing, I still think that there would be a similar outcome. Maybe not as tilted as it is now, but those people would still think of Gyro-aiming as Wii Sports and sweating or whatever.

[@lpfan4491]

@@synthgal1090 That's what I tell people about the Wiiu, but people will continue to call it a piece of worthless crap and then list like 10 negatives that are true but are also present on the Switch and sometimes even the Wii.

[@kmeanxneth]

@@lpfan4491 Wiiu best console in my opinion

[@orpheus280]

Funniest thing about the whole argument is that a mouse is the purest form of motion control in the world. It is translating a real-world movement into an input. People have been swinging their arm around to control a character for decades.

[@SianaGearz]

We went from 200-400cpi ball mice and tons of acceleration to mice so precise they can hit very nearly the same pixel repeatedly when doing the same motion at any speed at thousands of cpi and usually we no longer use acceleration, to make it as direct and as repeatable as possible.

[@rickitar4254]

I've never really thought about it, but isn't using a mouse already technically motion control?

[@danfluff6569]

Rickitar true

[@HeyItsDoodler]

I suppose

[@kees4945]

My mind is blown

[@nothanksthough]

Make way big brain big brain

[@garageghost6038]

the mouse is the ideal aiming device, but consoles use controllers (I know that some games on consoles support keyboard and mouse inputs). For a controller, motion control aim is perfect for those minor adjustments that are hard to do with the analog stick alone.

[@jamesteavery0]

Keyboards and mice.

[@MegaPokefan97]

Ugh... The human hand was evolved to hold things.

[@TheAbsol7448]

I'm starting to wonder if a Nunchuck and mouse combo would work well.

[@santiagovillar9132]

Typewriter and rat

[@Prodawg]

@@santiagovillar9132 1234567890qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm, .+×÷=/_€£¥₩!@#$%^&*()-'":;,?`~\|{}[]°•○●□■♤♡◇♧☆▪︎¤《》¡¿ and movement based corded object with 3 buttons, one doubling as a scroll wheel

[@OpenKeith]

@@Prodawg wdym 3 buttons and a scroll wheel REAL gamers use the original one buttton mouse that can only move horizontally OR vertically, NOT diagonally

[@weylandkonami7449]

I can’t imagine playing shooters without gyro these days. Analog aiming feels too slow, too imprecise, even after adjusting sensitivity.

[@eymed2023]

Just an aside, but one flaw I noted with the Wii's infrared aiming is that the sensor bar is just two LEDs, while all the processing is done inside the Wii Remote itself. The infrared camera is also located on the controller. This is a problem for two reasons: 1. It consumes more of the controller's battery. 2. It adds input latency. A better solution would be to do it the other way around: have each controller emit two LEDs and have all the processing be done inside the Wii. The sensor bar would instead be an infrared camera rather than a pair of infrared lights. This would reduce input latency, making the cursor more precise and responsive. It would also slightly improve the controller's battery life since two LEDs consume far less energy than the infrared camera and the data processing. The only problem is that the system could have problems telling which cursor comes from which controller, but this could be solved using 4 differently colored LEDs below the two main LEDs. The only way it could still have problems is if two cursors crossed over each other, but that's physically impossible.

[@CptJistuce]

I believe the main reason to mount the LEDs in a bar is that triangulation works better if there is more separation between the data points. A single camera isn't a good option if the lights are all crammed into an area the size of a quarter. PS Move got around that by using a large light of a well-defined size. Essentially, the apparent size of the ball provided Z-axis data. Interestingly, Oculus Rift tracking actually did what you propose, and used IR diodes in the headset and controllers and two or three IR webcams. Albeit with dozens of IR diodes instead of just two or three. (Other Oculus/Meta devices use a more complex solution that is easier to set up, but less robust.)

[@eymed2023]

@@CptJistuce Interesting...

[@ElZamo92]

You just described the PlayStation move…

[@eymed2023]

@@ElZamo92 Really? That's also interesting. Why didn't Nintendo implement such a pointer system on the switch, in addition to gyro? That would have been so much better!

[@_pancakes1734]

@@eymed2023 Pointer controls like on Wii require a sensor bar, which wouldn't work in handheld mode at all, and would be significantly worse in tabletop mode (the switch itself would need to act as the sensor bar, like if you use the wii u gamepad to play a wii game). IR is better for things like aiming, but it also has extra requirements that make gyro more convenient.

[@lightnin4223]

I don't drive electric cars so no one else should be able to.

[@flarrythe1st624]

I don't like mustard on my hotdogs so they should stop the mustard production

[@FamiliarGecko]

I don't like pineapple on pizza, therfore noone else can eat them like that.

[@TheAbsol7448]

I don't like PlayStation, so they should stop producing them.

[@Beenz64]

I don't like life, so it shouldn't exist.

[@train4292]

I don’t believe in god, therefore all religion should perish

[@Jaspertine]

"motion is just an input type" Oh my god YES! THIS! Exactly THIS! I won't lie, I moved away from motion controls after the wii, and am pretty ambivalent to them nowadays, but it blew my mind how many people failed to see that the angle at which the controller is held was merely a data point that could be used (either to good or bad effect) as an input to a function.

[@WhiplashPuppet]

Different input types don't always work well with different games. Terraria is a good example. Most everyone I know, myself included, plays with mouse and keyboard. You can play with a controller but, with everything the game asks you to do in real time, it makes using a controller a nightmare by comparison. On the flipside, a more laid back and relaxed game like Minecraft doesn't require a mouse and keyboard to get the most out of it. I guess what I'm saying is that the type of game you're playing counts for a lot too. Though the video might of covered that well enough on it's own.

[@ZorroVulpes]

real gamers only use fishing rod controllers anyway

[@hylianbran7273]

I see you're a professional Soul Calibur player

[@someperson4536]

chainsaw controller better fight me

[@paulbell3682]

They all hated Jesus because he told them the truth.

[@user-in8qh3zf9d]

Jesus wasnt real

[@CookieTwoStep]

@@user-in8qh3zf9dthanks for telling us

[@dacobdacob7977]

not gonna lie the BOTW gyro aiming makes me feel dope every time i land a shot what i would consider the perfect way to handle gyro or motion based movement

[@sonnyrynsaard3567]

My first big play with motion was warframe when I got the switch, and yeah I still have no idea how warframe works but slow mo bullet jump gyro aim hesdshots? Fuck yeah

[@matthewmuir8884]

I recently went back to play Majora's Mask on my GameCube, and while the stick-only aiming is fairly usable most of the time, especially since aiming is usually only required for puzzles and you can use lock-on in combat, but the archery minigames are a serious pain; especially the swamp shooting gallery, and every time I try those minigames, I find myself missing gyro aim.

[@VonSnuggles1412]

With botw, gyro makes me extremely accurate and i was able to hit long shots so much easier than stick aiming. I have no idea why but it's just easier to gauge how high i have to aim and such

[@verticaldorito]

The gyro aiming on botw was good, but the shrines where motion controls were required made me want to die. That could be because I was playing on a switch lite, though.

[@VonSnuggles1412]

@@verticaldorito that's not just you when it comes to shrines. Especially on switch lite, where its almost impossible to do those ones

[@goldenmajin4073]

Not only you pissed off a lot of people, but even achieved to roast them all I don't know who you are, but I already love you

[@fitzhugh7463]

yup. i'm definitely one of the people he shat on and while I disagree with him I'll take my lumps

[@ayimzay]

@@fitzhugh7463 Just turn them off lol u don't have room to disagree anymore

[@fitzhugh7463]

@@ayimzay exactly lol he trashed me good

[@astracrits4633]

@@fitzhugh7463 A person admitting defeat to any extent? On the INTERNET? The world must be ending! Everybody, run! It's the apocalypse! Ragnarok is about to start! THE END IS NEAR!

[@fictionmyth]

​@jacob Nerrel makes a well-intentioned video about motion controls, then people comment on that video with different opinions using some pretty ignorant and shitty language, Nerrel addresses those comments with less colorful language, taking the time to actually address their points and further explain his own, and then rib them a bit. Giving them some shit, sure, but in an overall playful and entertaining way. Now, you seem to be saying that they have a right to have an opinion that's different to Nerrel's? Even though this whole thing started because Nerrel stated an opinion that was different to theirs? What...? Their opinion is stupid. Nerrel's consists of, "We should have the option for motion controls and anyone not interested in using the motion feature should be able to turn it off." The anti-motion opinion consists of, "WHAT THE FUCK IDIOT YOU'RE WRONG AND STUPID MOTION CONTROLS ARE STUPID! YOU'RE IGNORANT AND STUPID AND I WON'T USE THOSE STUPID CONTROLS BECAUSE THEY SUCK AND ARE STUPID! ANYONE WHO USES THOSE CONTROLS SUCKS AND GODDAMMIT MY MOTHER NEVER GAVE ME ATTENTION BECAUSE SHE WAS TOO BUSY GIVING IT TO THE REAL MEN WHO USED AN OBJECTIVELY BETTER INPUT CONTROL SCHEME! NOW I'M BITTER AND ANGRY AND DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO AIM THAT RESENTMENT AT AND SINCE I'M USING ANALOGUE STICKS I'D MISS ANYWAY!" or something like that.

[@spacepirate3386]

I was recently playing God of War (2018) for the first time and I wondered if it had gyro aiming for axe throwing (unfortunately, there isn’t). So I looked up online if there was an option and in every 2 year old forum where people asked if the game had motion controls, tons of gamers heavily ridiculed them. Those gamers assumed that the motion control would be used for axe swinging instead of axe throwing. It’s hilarious how out of touch some ‘hardcore’ gamers can be.

[@Kemuja]

Today I learned, that there are ""gamers"" that really hate motion controls so much, that they want to murder anyone who likes them.

[@Splatoonspyro]

And none of them play splatoon

[@CursedBrainJuice]

"How dare I be given options"

[@cjaawesome616]

@@SeasoningTheObese I know I am a bit late but adding one "bad" option doesn't make the original option bad as well. That's like saying "Since I have the option to put meat in my choclate milk it makes the original chocolate milk with no meat experience worse."

[@drewwoodmansee4982]

I am a huge fan of the continuity of things placed in the garbage in your videos. Keep it up

[@TrueXiarno]

Great or bad garbage though ?

[@Rjwubs]

Splatoon 2 completely changed my entire stance on motion controls. I used to think they were a joke, but it’s so much better than joystick aiming. Kudos to Nintendo for keeping it alive.

[@Angel-ek4kl]

I swear, 19 out of 20 times I see a comment section with brain death takes there's always a one piece profile picture

[@lunarcowboy]

Istg I've seen so many commentors who seem to have fully missed the point of one piece

[@argonauts56au1kera6]

"Even your Mum can play"-Shigeru Miyamoto.

[@davemarx7856]

Yeah that was big talk from a guy as old as Miyamoto Sensei.

[@irunasoft]

Legend says Shigeru actually played with his mum

[@BHox01]

This video is great. Just the right amount of unbiased info and snark

[@crustykeycap5670]

He likes gyro controls. He just wants to keep using them.

[@lpfan4491]

that is because they are objectively good. having to use a stick for certain things is just frustrating because it just asks for more precise shots then the player can realisticly pull off without being a god or tryharding for half an hour

[@danieldavis2055]

You know what's weird? That ball puzzle you mentioned that nobody liked? It's far worse when you DON'T have the ability to gyro the puzzle around. They included the same sort of puzzle in Resident Evil Village on the XBox and every time I was confronted by it I wanted my motion aiming back because sticks were an absolutely terrible way to do the puzzle...

[@blikthepro972]

i think the people who hated the ball puzzle have wasted their lives playing super monkey ball

[@rogueguardian]

Yeah I have to agree gyro aim there would have helped.

[@Luxcalibur]

People actually bothered trying to solve that? I thought everyone just turned the controller upside-down and cheesed it

[@Weldedhodag]

my biggest issue with the gyro puzzle in zelda is that the option to do it with sticks isn't even there to begin with. A switch controller with the gyro sensor is like $70, i don't have that kinda cash to just blow on something like that.

[@whoosh831]

@@Weldedhodag but the Switch comes with two Joycons and as ass as they are they do have gyro

[@joe-edward]

Don't apologize for telling the truth. Motion aiming is better than analog stick aiming in EVERY WAY. When Nintendo ported Majora's Mask to the 3ds, I was able to get the heart piece from the archery guy the very first time I went in there. It took me FOREVER on the N64 because the stick aiming is so jerky. I could not get past that part on the N64 stick aiming until I literally memorized where every single Octorok would appear. Also, there's no way BOTW or TOTK would be as good without gyro aim. I also agree that the Wii's motion controls were better because of the stationary motion bar. In Link's Crossbow Training (hey, it's a fun game, leave me alone!), there is NO WAY stick aiming would be able to get perfect scores like I did with Wii motion aiming.

[@tuopi27]

People who hate optional motion controls sound like flat earthers

[@Jamie-yp7qz]

This.

[@mikkelandersen8202]

Lemme just fix it: People who hate optional controls sounds like flat earthers

[@tuopi27]

@@mikkelandersen8202 no... my grammar was definately correct.

[@TheRhythmKeeper]

@@mikkelandersen8202 !How you. gonna; be, a grammar nazi and get it wrong lmaooo: '

[@aleksaaleksic4353]

@@TheRhythmKeeper it's a joke yo

[@Vinikis]

Motion controls: *exists* Gamers: ew wtf is this lol Virtual Reality: *also exists* Gamers: *YES*

[@ungovernableevilmonger4660]

It's probably because of the Wii. All those shitty controls.

[@kawaiicookiuwu3322]

@@ungovernableevilmonger4660Right lol, Got epic Mickey on a Wii, it will make you want to stab that mouse with his own stupid paintbrush.

[@ZeldaLover6]

The gyro on 3DS for LoZ OoT & MM was a blessing. Some of the shooting gallery mini games are really difficult without it. Like the horseback one in OoT and the Clock Town shooting gallery from MM.

[@Zero001LP]

@@ZeldaLover6 Thank god 3DS gyro.

[@ZeldaLover6]

IKR?

[@SylverstoneKhandr]

Horizon Forbidden West got a gyro control option and some people were flipping out about it on Twitter.

[@orbusg8451]

I couldn't imagine playing splatoon without gyro aiming. It demonstrates one of the best uses for it and bridges a gap in controller to gameplay functionality that has existed for decades with shooters. The irony is that this came after the wii was finished, the console advertised on motion control, which also made motion controls into bad words. Nintendo deserved every bit of criticism for the forced waggle controls shoved into almost every wii game.

[@brunojabami9841]

i play and got s+5/2 in all modes in just 9 days of play,and i gonna be better to rekt motion elitist of shit like u and others

[@CuantumQ]

I mean, the first person shooters that the Wii had did use motion controls for aiming, notably the COD ports, and I've heard they were pretty decent (though I've never played them personally)

[@lethauntic]

Many games worked well with motion controls (waggle, specifically, as we call it), Red Steel being an example. But I do agree with what you said.

[@aquagiraffe1988]

Splatoon had one of the worst gyro implementations for me personally. When activated you could still use the stick to adjust left and right but not up and down... Wtf is that???

[@leftovernoise]

​@@aquagiraffe1988 I wouldn't argue it should be an option, but why in the world would you use a stuck to look up and down in Splatoon when you can ever so slightly move your control about a few millimeters and cover all the way down to all the way up?

[@mightBeAtomic]

I actually really want to thank you for these vids. After my crap experiences with wii's waggle, I probably wouldn't have given gyro aim a real shot before seeing this. Thanks for broadening my horizons, I can actually hit something with a controller now!

[@cario0236]

Honestly, all games especially shooters should have an option for gyro aiming, as it really helps getting that precise shot

[@ahllen932]

With the advent of crossplay, motion control aiming must be an option on console games that have crossplay with pc kb n mouse users

[@duck1085]

just use a mouse if u wanna be precise....

[@Msf1011]

@@duck1085 ROFL he literally debunked this argument in the video...

[@carsondiaz667]

@@duck1085 My hand starts to hurt after a couple hours of mouse usage. Also a lot of people play from their couch or far from their screen so some people may find it easier to use a controller that you just have to hold.

[@rogerklotz7737]

Play shooters with a PC you moron and for sportsgames.... go outside

[@paulbell3682]

The sad thing about people who don't like motion controls is that they often use one bad experience instead of trying multiple experiences before forming an opinion. It's annoying in my opinion.

[@techbro_4309]

People are like this about a lot of things. The moment they slightly dislike something they label the whole thing Bad and move on, and when later confronted they religiously defend their dislikes.

[@GriffithFromBerk]

I honestly wish nerrel made a sequel to this and it was just him saying “skill issue” and then the vid immediately ends

[@menstesticles]

With reverb

[@calhanlon5568]

I was playing breath of the wild at one point and I was trying to pin a tower with the gyro controls "you know what?" I thought "this would probably be much easier with the analog stick." So I turned off the motion controls and to my surprise I would that the aiming with both the scope and the bow were much more awkward and clunky with the control stick. Yeah the motion aim was shaky but it was far easier to simply move the switch in my desired direction then to manually turn link with the stick. With contion controls it felt like link was actually aiming the bow like a person would but with the control stick link turned like malfunctioning robot that felt far more stiff and awkward. It was this memory that I kept coming back to as I watched this video, thank you for such an informative and eye opening take.

[@calhanlon5568]

@Darkzeroprojects that doesn't seem very likely to me

[@Waffle-le2dv]

Darkzeroprojects they didn’t make the stick more clunky to force motion controls the entire purpose of gyro aim is for more precise aim faster

[@emilellenius]

Both BotW and Splatoon are examples of Nintendo not incorporating any aim assist which makes it extremely obvious that gyro aim is almost always the better option.

[@matthewgardiner4175]

If it's shaky, then you could change the sensitivity. Or just stop shaking it like a mad man, right?

[@plasmaoctopus1728]

I would say the analog sticks on the joycons are so bad that gyro aim is neccessary if playing the game in handheld mode.

[@splitcryptic]

On pc, this last few weeks I tried to "git gud" with analog sticks. Experimented with response curves, bought some Kontrol Freeks to help out, then practiced for hours on Aim Lab. Using the Nacon Revolution 3 btw. Tried some games while I was at it. Killing Floor 2; I actually turned off aim assist options for that and changed some configs here and there. It worked perfectly fine actually. Still had trouble doing those flicks tho. Apex Legends: gunplay was fine with that. Aim Assist was modest and didn't really feel at a disadvantage. No option to turn off aim assist which was a bit funny. Risk Of Rain 2: wanted an option to turn off aim assist becuz of the targeting friction thing going on. *it didn't have it* Destiny 2: Aim assist. Rainbow Six Siege: my controller's grip buttons helped here a lot. Gunplay was still troublesome as the game required me a lot of flicks and a *lot* of recoil control. Aim assist was unnoticeable (prolly cuz I always ADS). Ended up winning only mechanically. A lot of my time with the Analog sticks, on Aim Lab, I spent over aiming, dragging too slow, too fast, and overshooting. Nacon Rev 3 isn't supported by the Steam Input so today I switched back to the Dualshock 4 to try that gyro again... ... Every single problem I had with the Analog sticks was suddenly eliminated... and all the weeks worth of effort I've been putting into them was completely thrown out the window... In just mere minutes... With zero aim assist... Still configuring the gyro for the games but now I'm wondering, why do *I* have to do this? This "gyro" had been built into the Dualshock for *years* Why didn't anyone use this? Why do I have to go such lengths just so I can use it? Were developers back then weren't creative enough to give more use to them? Or maybe they weren't smart enough to figure out how to implement such thing? Were the people scarred by the Wii consoles *that* badly to refuse it? To the point that it isn't even an *option* for those that want it? Sorry, this got real long. I'm just really bummed out with all this. Imma just stop it here.

[@internetguy7319]

SplitCryptic Try Splatoon. It's the best gyro aiming game.

[@flamesfire1309]

Just FYI Rainbow Six doesn't have aim assist. I'm late so I dont know if you know this.

[@silentz93]

youre on pc get a mice and git gud

[@Nicolas_GE]

try splatoon 2 on the switch, they have some of the best motion controls i've seen

[@stanleybowman-hood6194]

silentz93 can’t spell and you clearly didn’t watch the video

[@WasaboDuckBoy]

One thing that isn't a big deal but wasn't mentioned in this video is that I feel pressured to keep the controller still when I'm using gyro, especially on higher sensitivities; I like having the freedom to move my hands or adjust my position without having to constantly recenter the camera. It can feel stiff sometimes. I really like gyro aim though, so I'm not sure how to solve something like this, if possible

[@curdledstraw227]

well, when i use gyro in steam. there was the option to only activate gyro at the press of a button or trigger. i think fortnite has a similar option (switch version)

[@curdledstraw227]

not really. since you're using gyro only to aim, the recentering can be done by just moving the controler back to level, and letting go of the trigger. It works just as breath of the wild aiming, which is great. Now being 2 years since i commented this, another cool gyro controller setup i've found is the flick stick config, which usually come with a gyro release button, so it allows you to use gyro more like a mouse. @@raven75257

[@scarletshadowzz]

don't worry, mr. Nerrel, im a woman and i watch your videos. but i still won't talk to you

[@Josuh]

well you just did

[@supremeleaderfrancisco9062]

liar

[@jacknation1141]

10:21 I actually love the use motion controls in those puzzles because it’s really fun to try to cheese them by launching the ball out

[@pegasusboots3594]

Someone else gets it

[@abdel4455]

I like turning it upside down so you have a smooth surface rather than a maze lol

[@DarkKnightofHeaven]

In the example shown in the video, you could always spin the maze so that the ball drops on the last pathway to the exit, so all you have to do is roll it down and out of the maze. I found that the easiest way to finish the portion, as the ball rolled around to much on the flat surface.

[@jacknation1141]

Lyn EXACTLY That’s what makes it so fun 😄

[@redpandai1]

its a great option, but if you cant move your controller your stuck. Having an option of being able to do puzzles like that differently would be amazing.

[@octcube_]

I feel like allot of people in the gaming scene dont know the definition of personal preference. I prefer mouse and keyboard over motion or controllers but i still have respect for people who like other control schemes. The whole point of video games in general is that you are the person in control; customisation is just a form of that. Its why you see almost no two people in the smash competitive scene having the same control scheme. One of the first things i do when i get a new game is fiddle around with control schemes, its why i get pissed when i dont have that option in a game. Imagine that scenario but with motion controls, if i preferred motion and a game did have that option i would probably still be quite pissed.

[@steven.2602]

I don't wanna come off as pretentious, but as edgy as it sounds, it's of human nature to blindly reject progress. I mean, just look at the dark ages, where people were willing to reject objectively better technology in favor of their comfy religion. Even though we're far past that, there's still people who think and will continue to think like this. it happened with newspapers, it happened with comics, it happened with video games, and now its happening to VR and motion controls.

[@JohnSmith-yn4uu]

@@steven.2602 well said - I was thinking about this the other day. But I would change your claim of people blindly reject progress, and instead say this: people reject progress - when they grow old/ have to change. People don't like change, and as people get older they hate the change even more because they have been with that old thing for so long.

[@common_json]

The only problem with this comment is that the smash competitive scene generally only uses gamecube controllers as a master race.

[@krullachief669]

Nah if your opinion is different then your opinion is trash

[@taxirobot7219]

@@common_json There is a pro player that uses an Xbox steering wheel. I've been to many tournaments and even within the NGC controller crowd everyone has their own customized control schemes. Smash has a lot more controller variety than any other game.

[@ToastyMann]

I grew up on analog aiming in shooters since I was an Xbox 360 kid. Although when I was 14 I started playing shooters on PC a lot more and shifted towards KB&M. It wouldn't be until a few years later when I tried playing a shooter on a controller again. It genuinely made me want to throw the fuck up all over the floor. How in the world was I able to consider this shit GOOD back then? It feels so bad now. It's why I think the Wii port of RE4 is the best way to play that game. The pointer aiming is simply unmatched. While I still vastly prefer KB&M to Gyro, that's simply due to muscle memory and I'm completely used to the potential downsides that come with it. Gyro by default still feels better than aiming with a stick because it allows for more natural movement and it's easier for me to land shots (the few that DO land, anyway. Again, still a KB&M jockey). It's hilarious how so many people instantly get violent towards the idea of slightly tilting your hands to move a gun, as if they're having Vietnam flashbacks to Kinect Star Wars.

[@Drstrange3000]

I never really understood these comments that waved away motion controls. Like I understand the technology wasn't where it needed to be and Nintendo sometimes had unecessary motion controls in their games (coughstarfoxcough). I don't think gamers gave motion controls at the time the chance to grow and improve. VR is showing just how much motion controls have improved. I notice there is a heavy pushback for anything that breaks the mold in gaming and realize gaming hasn't changed much since the PS3/XBOX 360 days. Any new idea is waved away as a gimmick, without giving it a chance to evolve. We went from the Atari joystick to the NES gamepad to the shoulder buttons to two more additional buttons, to one analog to two. I'm glad games like Splatoon 2 and Zelda BotW got people to warm up to gyro aiming and glad for VR to show that motion controls can improve. It is nice to have options. I'm really glad you mentioned people with disabilities. That is often really overlooked. It is so cool that there is more accomodations for disabled gamers.

[@danielmolidor7304]

lmfao just saying "keyboards and mice" for insurance @ 16:34

[@collinslogan01]

I couldn’t stop laughing when he didn’t say anything

[@HamstarTG]

hahaha

[@nitrosherbert888]

I don't understand it

[@collinslogan01]

NITRO SHERBERT you poor poor man you

[@nitrosherbert888]

I gotta like someone else must not understand

[@lpsoldin3162]

"Breath of the Wild has great gyro aim, right alongside awkward motion puzzles that no one seems to like." I actually loved those puzzles. Especially because I tried to solve some of them in unintended ways, like using the maze as a catapult to launch the orbs into the direction they were meant to go instead of going through the mazes.

[@vpxc]

Yep! On some you can also use smaller jerks of the maze to bump the orbs up over walls

[@ayimzay]

Dude I thought I was the only person who did that!! I just got tired of the maze and fucking yeeted the orb into oblivion til it worked lmao

[@brobuscus1152]

or flipping the orb up and then turning the entire maze to the flat side lol and just slightly tilting it while upside down

[@dirtkiller23]

This still works for mouse too(cemu)

[@NidraxGaming]

@@dirtkiller23 I tried solving the puzzle with wind turbines on a floating cube you need to position in a right way to tun on the windmills. This shit is literally impossible to achieve with mouse. I had to install motion server on my phone and use it as controller for my pc to get through them.

[@Painted_Owl]

Everytime I see the dumpster truck, I can't help but get a chuckle out of it. Seeing Samus and Zora Link just jostled about just hits my funny bone

[@flintlocke1344]

My brother shelled out for a used Gamecube Twilight Princess even though we’ve had the Wii version since it was current, entirely because he didn’t want to use the motion controls. He ended up having to return the used copy because it was scratched and crashed constantly, and now he’s playing it on the Wii and having a perfectly fine time sitting down while playing. As one of the five people who never minded motion controls, I’m always shocked by how averse some folks are to slightly moving their wrists.

[@Rocketknightgeek]

Try to imagine the dystopian wasteland of console multiplayer where motion aiming is widely used and stick players have their aimbot severely nerfed due to it just being kind of cheating. THE HORROR! Having to actually aim instead of quickscoping everything.

[@frenzy9741]

Lol! On Enter The Gungeon I played so much on keyboard and mouse that I have a tough time getting used to a regular controller, since in K&M you HAVE to look the cross hair to see who you are shooting at while dodging and swiveling around (which the trick there is to focus on the bullets you are dodging and depend widely on periferic vision to shoot). Now, I wonder how I could take advantage using motion controls...

[@scarlet6719]

Ik

[@UnethicalVoxel]

>mlp profile pic Lol okay

[@robertorivas4459]

Found the 14 year old, lmao.

[@TaigaGaoo]

@@robertorivas4459 He's not 14 years old, he's mentally challenged. Actually, that's an insult to actually mentally challenged people. Ignore his obnoxious post, this line alone "the very accurate analog aim" would make actual mentally challenged people laugh at him.

[@Domiyu]

> Gamers, rise up > _nobody wants to stand_

[@Harry-mb4cs]

I think this is the funniest video Nerrel has ever made. Guy clearly understands comedic timing extensively, makes me wonder why he doesn't use more jokes in his videos since he's got such a knack for it

[@Wheagg]

The only reason I turned off motion control on my switch was so I could play in the car and the switch won't think I'm moving the camera when we make a turn.

[@jakcesleepingrn5739]

relatable

[@fernquan6817]

People love to hate ideas and concepts until suddenly one day they become popular and trending since those kinds of people are unable to think for themselves.

[@mrmaniac3]

They’re just like the companies they pray to :(

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

Just look at minecraft... it became popular when it started... then people hated it and a lot of people stopped playing, who still played could be shamed for playing that "dead game" and now suddendly minecraft is popular again, and it is the same old game

[@youtubeaccount3829]

you live in a society

[@mrmaniac3]

Wii live in a society

[@SommerSen]

Fortnite. The Mob mentality of the haters is insane

[@vicchopin]

Another motion control vid (amazing!!) by someone who accuratelly spoke my mind. As someone who embraced the idea of motion as a kid and got to enjoy it as an adult I say: thanks. And I mean it.

[@StarForce99]

Who else made a video on motion?

[@adrianrivero6104]

@@StarForce99 himself

[@StarForce99]

@@adrianrivero6104 But you said "another". You mean he made 2 videos based on motion controls?

[@adrianrivero6104]

@@StarForce99 Yep, it's called Motion Control and the Rejection of Progress

[@StarForce99]

@@adrianrivero6104 Oh ok

[@FizzyMutt]

Legit, as a dev I want more people like you out there. This is an important topic to me so here's my rant. I've played Splatoon and BotW and I love their implantation to gyro. But I've even seen Nintendo fanboys play Mario has sigh when there's a gyroscope shooting section cause "motion controls bad". You legit have faster, accurate precision without autoaim and feels more natural. I've even seen comparisons and almost always gyro is more accurate than mouse (which even surprised me!) And I REALLY wanna make more games with gyro being a main feature. But not every controller even has the ability! When I searched if Xbox had gyro controls (after testing one of my games and wondering why it wasn't working) the ONLY thing I could find was forum posts floooded with only people saying "we don't have or need that shit!!", not a single person was open to the idea. But xbox controllers are also what majority people on the PC uses as their controller, if at all. So unless you're playing on Playstation, Switch or Mobile, you either have to go out of your way to buy a new controller, just to have the ability, or straight up never be able to get the ability! I want it to be more mainstream and have everyone watch this video. It just feels more natural, and I want it implemented more. And if you reeeaaally don't like it/cant use it, just turn it off and play it "normally". Is that simple! If anyone actually wants it implemented more, people gotta know, let devs of your favourite games know you want it. Otherwise they wont bother. And its nice to see the upcoming Steam Deck use gyroscope as a selling point! Thanks for reading! :)

[@MiddleClasshole77]

Any links to accuracy demonstration? Gyro being as accurate as mouse makes sense but I want the proof to be able to show.

[@poptop89]

@@MiddleClasshole77 well this exact guy, (nerrel) has a video about the steam controller where he specifically uses aim lab to show that gyro can be more accurate than even a mouse.

[@Creshex8]

@@MiddleClasshole77 Having used a gyro on PS5, Switch, and now the PC, you don't need some fancy video to know gyro is FAR more precise than the mouse. I will give you an easy test at the end of this comment so you can see for yourself. There are a couple main reasons the gyro is more precise. For the first point, I will also take time to go into a little of my history with gaming devices. Anyway, point one is the static friction barrier. Mice suffer from a static friction barrier that causes the reticle to lurch when brought to motion from rest. This is hard to notice with larger movements, but I knew about it almost twenty years ago when I was trying to make precise shots. I got so annoyed with the lurching, I switched permanently to trackballs and tablets. I rarely played FPS games for the next couple decades. The mouse's lurching pissed me off. I hated sticks and especially despised aim assist. Trackballs had better precision and even speed sometimes because it mostly did away with the static friction barrier, but you had to sacrifice a lot of fingers that normally would be manning buttons (I used the finger trackballs. I didn't like the thumb balls). Trackballs, even though better, really were not terribly fun and didn't have devoted companies making "gaming" trackballs. The tablet and pen..... OH BOY what a story with that experiment. The tablet and pen had similar button problems with the finger trackballs: you had to sacrifice nearly an entire hand of fingers just to man the pen. However, the tablet and pen was both extremely accurate and VERY VERY fast.... too fast. The screen moved in such an insane blur that I had severe motion sickness nearly every five minutes, and had to take a break. Ironic the best method also was the least fun because I had to deal with headaches to use it.... ...but the gyro, you get to keep all your fingers for buttons, and there is ZERO static friction because the device rests in your hand and is not rubbed or rolled across any surface. So no more lurching! That alone could arguably make the gyro more precise than mice. However, there is another reason: stances. Yes, you can do something with gyro controllers you can't sensibly do with mice: alter the way you brace it in your hands. I refer to this as taking different stances. If you don't need as much precision, you can hold the controller higher in the air, elbows on the table or in your lap, so you can make larger and faster rotations with your hands. Need even more speed? Don't brace with your elbows at all. This will give you maximum range of motion. An advanced tip would be to throw in the additional roll axis to make your horizontal movement even faster. In effect, you will be moving your hands in a spherical motion like you are rubbing a crystal ball, if you choose to throw all three axes into the mix. However, if you need near pixel level precision, you can then, in an instant, brace your wrists onto a table or press your controller and hands into your lap. This has the effect of greatly slowing down the reticle and eliminating the effects of small twitches and jolts that can throw off your aim from a more relaxed position. It's kinda like a sniper going prone and using a bipod instead of standing with his rifle to make a shot. So here is your test. Take your mouse, set at the same speed you game at, and start making circles with it, and watch the screen. Keep making the circles smaller and smaller until you can't make them any smaller with any precision. Now do the same exercise with a gyro controller. You will find, thanks to ways to put a severe brace on the controller, you can make circles so small they are practically a few pixels tall. This is what makes gyro players extremely dangerous in certain circumstances, compared to mice users. A gyro player can hit head shots even when the head is barely the size of a pinhead. And what is especially amazing is, with a little practice, it's not even that hard to do. I'm playing Rage 2 on the PC with a Dual Sense on Nightmare difficulty. I realized one reason the game seemed so easy, even at this higher difficulty level, was my ability to make headshots at engagement ranges unrealistic for even a mouse and especially a controller (ranges so far, enemies cannot properly hit you with weapons identical to your own). Before I actually discovered all this about gyro, I did make one commitment: I would stick with gyro even if mice were better. Why? Because I actually have a lot more FUN with the gyro! I could have played with mice or trackballs for the last few decades if I wanted to, but rarely did because I really had so little fun with those devices. Gyro seems to magically triple the fun of FPS games, and I always play with no aim assist. I went from rarely playing FPS games to playing them all the time. After long enough, I began to feel like my mind was wired into the controller. It seems like I'm aiming with my thoughts alone. I am not even the only person who has described it in this way.

[@waffleson45]

​@@Creshex8how to like a comment more then once? Amazing info my friend, I've felt it but never thought of it that little jump with the mouse that's made me not wanna use them and stick to controller but gyro has made games even more fun! I just completed GTA vice city and actually went back a few times to play the shooting gallery my most dreaded task now turned fun by gyro!

[@jenlang19]

I wanted to hate watch but you got me. Lmao...I am hank hill

[@Some-guy-on-the-internet]

I saw this video a while back and decided to watch it again today. The responses you received reminded me of a comment I made on another video about the PS5 controller. I said I thought it was strange that the DualSense has no paddle buttons despite the fact that Sony made a paddle accessory for the DS4. To my dismay, most of the responses I got included: -Being glad that Sony didn't include such a "dumb gimmick". -Thinking adding it would drive up the cost of the controller to over $100 and being glad that Sony "chose to keep the controller affordable". -Not seeing a point in it and being okay with the lack of it. I don't understand what it is with the majority of Xbox and PlayStation gamers and their refusal to accept innovation. The fact that my simple remark about the lack of extra buttons on a controller was able to rile up a bunch of angry console gamers shows that they hate change, no matter how small of a change it is. They'll pull any excuse out of their asses to support their baseless claims. If people keep behaving like this, controller based inputs will continue to stagnate. People need to accept innovation, and if they really don't want to use it, they can just not use it. As you said in this video, someone's refusal to accept and use innovation should have no bearing on someone else's ability to embrace and enjoy it. There would be absolutely no disadvantage to adding paddles to the DualSense, yet here we are, with a group angry idiots refusing to accept change even if it's a positive change with no bearing on their ability to play games the way they want to.

[@TerryVideoZone]

the thing that's really sad about this is that paddles are a dope feature.. if it were a standard it would make having pc games that require lots of different inputs significantly more viable on console by virtue of using paddles as extra buttons, input modifiers, etc.. They also make using a controller for games that require aiming and pressing buttons just feel better since you can remap the face buttons. I would even *prefer* if I could have the face buttons set to 4 paddles, and then remap the face buttons to input modifiers in some cases. The other day I was even thinking about picking up an xbox elite 2 for some pc games that I feel could benefit from it.. but I don't exactly have the gamer cash to be throwing around at controllers all the time....

[@Some-guy-on-the-internet]

@@TerryVideoZone Exactly. Paddles make such a big difference. They've saved me on multiple occasions when mapping configs for PC games. It's one of many reasons I love the Steam Controller so much. It's so sad that the official standard controllers for all 3 consoles don't have them. They offer a serious advantage that's being overlooked, just like gyro aim.

[@Sam-vf5uc]

If "innovation" just means an experiment that nobody asked for, then its a gimmick. Tune in next week where we remove basic features of the controller like buttons in favor of a random number generator that choses your inputs for you and call it 'innovation'. Have you ever considered the possibility that controllers stopped changing because there's nothing to be improved?

[@TerryVideoZone]

@@Sam-vf5uc I would disagree with this sentiment and consent with this video on the point that most of the attempts at genuine progress with controllers have been stonewalled by gamers that got scared by the whole waggle and gesture control debacle and are now chronically afraid of good additions. No sane gamer wants to *remove* features for a general input device Mr. or Ms. Devil's advocate. To further drive the point I was trying to make in my initial reply to this comment, while contextual inputs assist with things in many ways when developing most games these days, a lot often feel like they're being held back by the limited input options of the standard controller in comparison to say, the openness when it comes to control schemes in PC gaming. Don't get me wrong, the design that's been settled on is good, but the addition of macroable comfort and disability-friendly features like paddles and hair triggers aren't just gimmicks, they further expand the potential of what we think the standard controller is capable of. For example, I absolutely can't stand playing fighting games with a modern gamepad; most layouts don't feel good in six-button games, take into account games like SF4 or third strike where you usually have the option to macro some of the button combos like 3 punches, 3 kicks, etc. and then it's like an existential *nightmare* for me. but if I had the option to switch my triggers over to being buttons, or bind some of those to some paddles it would vastly improve my comfort in this regard. I ended up dropping like $200 on an arcade stick just because of this one problem I have with this one relatively niche genre of games! Also gyro should just be a standard imo, at least an optional feature in all standard gamepads; it improves the accuracy of aiming with a controller by a significant magnitude after the acclimation period and there's really no harm in having it as an option if it doesn't come at too much additional cost. tl;dr, lmao nobody's saying we need to completely re-conceptualize the controller for proper innovation. Good, real innovation is already happening if you've got the scratch to drop on most premium price-point controllers and I think most people can probably look forward to when the bleeding edge features and options start making their way down into the more affordable controllers hopefully in the near future.

[@Some-guy-on-the-internet]

@@TerryVideoZone Let me just say that you're an absolute legend and perfectly described the way I feel towards the stagnation in controller design. It's clear that Sam is a perfect example of the Xbox/PS tryhards who throw tantrums over innovative additions to controllers. I'd like to add that these kinds of people seem to think that features like gyro or paddles are forced changes to the way they're supposed to play games when that simply isn't the case. These are additions. They add functionality to the controller, not change it. Features that supplement the way you already play games and make the controller more functional and capable at competing on a high level. That's true innovation, and it needs to be recognised and embraced by the masses.

[@KimeriX]

Laughs in ring fit adventure

[@isectoid9454]

*Cackles in BeatSaber*

[@BlueInk1287]

Same

[@applesaucedog2642]

Screams in Wii Balance Board

[@somethingstuffguy4159]

Goes wild in kinect adventures

[@thedeltakillz5115]

Flexes in virtual boy

[@PokeWeekly]

As someone who plays splatoon and splatoon 2 with gyro. How good and precise the gyro controls are in the game has completely ruined other console shooters for me. I cant play destiny now because it doesnt have gyro aim.

[@Chewi_]

Every time I've tried playing a shooter game with a controller I instinctively move my controller as if it has motion controls now haha. Gyro is the next best thing to mouse and keyboard IMO, I could never get used to stick controls for aiming.

[@treycoomes5447]

I've gone into whiplash going between switch and xbox. gyro is just so natural that the concept of not having it, especially on a console with significantly more (and usually the definitive versions) of shooters. its actually absurd that the only first party console shooter in existence that uses gyro is spla-fuckin-toon.

[@leftovernoise]

I straight up will not play a console fps without gyro anymore

[@paulj6805]

Gyro aim? More like GYNO AIM. because it's for the vagina. Goteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem

[@Creshex8]

You can use Playstation controllers on PC with Steam Client to play gyro on nearly any PC game you want. That's what I'm doing right now. I'm playing cheaply using the Xbox PC Game Pass. For that method, you may sometimes have to disable XInput and treat the controller like a mouse and a handful of keyboard buttons, but you still get to use the gyro. Microsoft seems to hate gyro. Many Game Pass games disable the mouse when it senses Xinput, and vice versa.

[@mossa216]

Options? In my game!? I have never heard such a ridiculous idea! /s

[@helmi5045]

14:01 every Splatoon player gangsta till he turns off motion aiming

[@gio_frank6622]

DISGUSTANG. DISGUSTANG.

[@supportsciencistgaming4761]

@@inkllama5445 well you can dye

[@JadeJuno]

@@supportsciencistgaming4761 correct, that's how Splatoon works.

[@Mokawuf]

*Sinner detected*

[@Canalbiruta]

Is a bad time everytime i try to play some shooters without aiming... And i grew playing shooters in consoles!

[@micahsnyder7299]

It’s official, I’m gonna join the motion control master race.

[@Monti1999]

"I'm In!" - James Veitch

[@mrwolfeyes2955]

Welcome to the brotherhood. You get a free copy of mario kart wii.

[@teehundeart]

I just saw my younger brother try to snipe someone on playstation and just couldn't manage to fine tune the crosshair properly. These are the kinds of moments were I get incredibly frustrated that you can't use gyro on playstation

[@MrLachapell]

Welcome here is your first task -play Red Steel 2

[@Helperbot-2000]

no thanks, ill stay here in the: i dont give a shit. use what you like and think is fun without limiting yourself to one thing gang

[@HiRuMi91]

"If gyro is available my whole family will literally die and I will have to eat shit my entire life." -everyone denying gyro

[@rouge-ish324]

"Just use Aim Assist." - Everyone who thinks sticks is better than gyro

[@Creshex8]

@@rouge-ish324 Them: "You can pry my aim assist from my cold dead fingers." Me: "THAT can certainly be arranged!"

[@poke0043moto]

This one time I was having a discussion on whether ocarina or majora was the better game, then a guy dropped in the middle of the conversation and kept repeating his argument “majora is basically dlc” without justifying why he thought that. After a while I got suspicious and asked him if he had even played major’s mask, or ocarina for that matter: he hadn’t. I find that a lot of people’s opinions are copied from other people, mostly KZbin videos when it comes to this sort of stuff, no thought or critical analysis goes into it, just copy paste. That why it’s hard to change their minds; they don’t know why they have this opinion, and therefore don’t know why is good or bad, or whether it should be changed.

[@SkyyySi]

If you want to know the extreme form of just repeating what you heard, you might enjoy the video "10 things all flat earthers say" (don't worry, it's not a WatchMojo-style toplist). It's a followup video of someone who made a video about flat earth and got the same bs / nonsense answers over and over and over again.

[@tylerm5774]

@@SkyyySiyeah but its definitely not a spinning ball.

[@SkyyySi]

@@tylerm5774 Uh huh. I won't even bother asking for your troll explanation, you're not funny.

[@malcolmfitzgerald6801]

I find a lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between the controls being bad and them being bad with them.

[@ChawedMirthPrattEnterprise]

a lot of people seem to not understand the difference between a bad game and you being bad at one. ah, the cycle of criticism

[@uraynuke]

a lot of people seem to not understand the difference between actual bias and you criticizing it poorly. ah, the cycle of drama channels.

[@benny21293]

Ikr its like „I‘m not immediately perfect on my fist second of ever controling it that way so it must be bad!“

[@n1lknarf]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

[@paulcarmi8130]

@Nibl20 see, you say that, but I've never once left a horror movie thinking "yeah, that was a great use of 25$" Because it never has been nor will be.

[@Lakitu1134]

I've missed both your voice and sense of humor so much. You've got the snark and sense of humor of a shit-poster but like, you're clearly wise far beyond that.

[@protocetid]

hope he starts covering more topics

[@ofarra9588]

"No one is asking for forced waggling or mandatory gestures to replace buttons. No one." I am! The wii remote is still my favorite controller because I love the crunchy feel of swinging it. Although I understand that for many people its a deal breaker, and its not as big of a deal for me, so actually I guess I'm not asking for that.

[@SkyyySi]

Even then, in almost all cases, those waggle controls could still just be an option. Which would hurt no one and would just allow anyone to play how they want.

[@ff-qf1th]

ugh, I love nothing better than a thorough debunking of bad arguments from a crowd of people who are objectively incorrect about some random thing. It's my guilty pleasure

[@kneight4927]

"Keyboards and mice" I laughed dude, you killed me right there. Awesome video, very well done, both of these! Best thing I've seen this week!

[@Sheerspeechcraft]

I thought that the title said "Why Gamers Hate Minorities"

[@Simon-xi7lb]

blep

[@TheUnluckyEverydude]

Honestly that would be a good video.

[@wiiztec]

@@TheUnluckyEverydude a good joke video

[@TheUnluckyEverydude]

@@wiiztec yeah bro... No weird racism among gamers...

[@wiiztec]

And hopefully there never will be

[@17R3W]

10:35 might be the funniest line I've ever heard "Keyboard and mice exist.... thanks fellas, I say fellas because women don't watch my channel or talk to me"

[@autumn64fromdeltarunechapter3]

hello! ~the one woman who cares enough to watch and respond to a year old comment

[@deepeaumm]

Got sent here through some discussion on Splatoon 3. Only disappointed that this video is 3 years old, and apparently did not influence the game industry to widely adopt gyro aiming upon release. Motion controls for aiming are the shit, and with any luck, Splatoon will be seen as a trailblazer in the next decade. I don't play on PC, but it's good to know that there are folks out there actively supporting its integration. And a side note, the Metroid Prime Trilogy remake on the Wii is killer, feels like you're playing a triple A version of those arcade shooting cabinets. Highly recommend to anyone who is able to get a hold of that.

[@HarryMario_]

I've always played Splatoon with a stick and I almost always rank top of my team