The Life, Embarrassing Death, and Legacy of the Steam Controller

[@skeletongwen]

Gyro controls are so well integrated in my brain that I tried using them on Ocarina of time. For the n64. With the n64 controller.

[@Jayanky]

Honestly gyro controls just feel like they should be there, so much so that I try to use gyro aiming in shooters that don’t have it with controller.

[@mudkip264]

@@Jayanky love using a combination of sticks and gyro I use sticks to get in the direction and use gyro to get to the target

[@JC20XX]

@@mudkip264 Splatoon taught me

[@otttimon5654]

I tried it with link between worlds

[@Osai1234]

Really??? Tell me more i am oot main?????????

[@HenryH0702]

"Welcome to Too Late, Who Gives a shit?". Me at 4AM: Ah yes, this resonates with me through mind and spirit

[@vystorm]

Mood

[@Mizra-dq3lj]

Yup 4:14 am and I'm watching this

[@guessit5036]

I win, 6:38 AM

[@kelleencall3187]

Haha I win, it’s 9:47 AM

[@fluffx6432]

@@kelleencall3187 10:40 AM, i win

[@sawkchalk6966]

This man makes talking about basic inputs so engaging

[@camerontolley8597]

If you want the exact opposite experience try watching the video the secret to Mario's jump by game developers toolkit kit

[@johnskelington]

And then somehow segways a Jurassic Park reference without it seeming so random.

no, it is boring

[@mcgrudzi]

The things most people label as "basic" or "boring" are usually the most difficult problems to solve. People label them this way to give themselves an excuse to avoid thinking about the difficult problem (see also: infrastructure).

[@scottgill2643]

@@mcgrudzi Basic implies that it's something that you can't do a job without, but if merely meeting basics were all we cared about, we'd all just dress up in hospital gowns to hide our dicks.

[@twenmod]

valve keeps doing things that are potentially stupid for their company but help the industry forward

[@lw1391]

For example, not making Portal 3

[@cybogg13]

Yeah, I think Valve's decision to not be listed on the stock exchange is one of the best things that has happened to the PC-Gaming Community. They don't have to worry about maximizing profits to satisfy investors, they can just make billions with the shop and invest it in whatever project they like.

[@Neogears1312]

Sometimes the smartest ideas and thoughts are so beyond the average person it seems incredibly stupid because they just can't comprehend it at any level. The problem is because they write it off as dumb the average person tends to hive mind and just agree this really intelligent thing is now really stupid.

[@Neogears1312]

Being smart sadly doesn't matter sometimes when ignorance can counter act it without trying.

[@twenmod]

@@Neogears1312 i didnt mean the ideas were not smart but they could lead to huge losses in the company

[@PipeGuy64Bit]

I always wondered why this controller was never talked about.

[@grooselegacy]

Please continue this series

[@MrAlgemil]

I know things aren't as black and white as they seem. But i really liked that controller, in fact, it's still my main driver since it was released. (i have an Steam, PS4 and Xbox One controller). It does take a while to get used to the controller, but once you do it's surprisingly confortable and intuitive.

[@MrAlgemil]

Just to clarify, amoung the shooters i've played with that controller are Borderlands, Portal, all of Half Life, MGS5 , GTA5 and other non competitive shooters. Games such as CS:GO that put you against other players i still find KB/M to be better. also being able to use the controller for any non gamepad hable controller is a +, tried so with my other two controllers and the results aren't always as preasing as with the Steam Controller. With those out of the frame, it's not an all purpose controller, it's the worst out of the three when it comes to fighting games, For those i preffer the PS4 controller.

[@justinreinsma9772]

@@raptors222222 it was kinda good dude, just not in every situation.

[@Hysteria98]

Strangely, innovators rarely are until it is too late.

[@bwellstv4927]

You forgot the best feature. The Portal "this is a triumph" sound being playable as a jingle when you turn on the controller

[@MrCrazy550]

How do you get this? Mine just makes a simple beep

[@bwellstv4927]

@@MrCrazy550 I'm not home at the moment, but if you are on the menu that lets you change the controller name (it's something like "personalize controller") there are options for turn on and off sounds.

[@MrCrazy550]

@@bwellstv4927 thank you I found it! I set the turn on sound to triumph and the turn off sound to tf2 mann up.

[@muskatDR]

Ironic since it flopped

[@TTAPTV]

@@MrCrazy550 I literally have the same configuration

[@BecomeCatholic]

I'm here early for your annual monthly video.

[@citizensnips2400]

Annual...or monthly?? Second floor basement?

[@travosk8668]

Well played

[@zsin128]

Yas!

[@rickard486]

This comment is galaxy brained

[@nopir3898]

@@citizensnips2400 psycho mantis?

[@Jorvalt]

I think that Valve should try their hand at a controller again, especially with the launch of the Steam Deck and the plans for a dock for it. They for sure would have learned from the mistakes they made in the past and those improvements have already been seen in the controls on the Steam Deck.

[@CritStanley]

I agree. What I think a second Steam Controller should look like is reversing the positioning of the track pads with the analog stick and face buttons. As in, put the analog stick upper left and face buttons upper right while having the entire lower segment be one large, wide trackpad. One that would register twin inputs.

[@judge831]

Kind of like an N64 controller?

[@SweetTodd]

​@@CritStanleyI honesty thought the v2 could just be the steam deck layout. But perhaps it'd be nice to have bigger trackpads to allow more precision and maybe even 6 face buttons and a better dpad for fighting games.

[@baconberries8097]

​@@SweetToddthat'd be in a perfect world, but a controller like the one you're describing would be absolutely humongous. The reason valve can get that side-by-side design on the deck is because of it's size, where your wrists are naturally facing upwards, letting you go between the buttons and sticks no problem. It also makes articulating your thumb on the trackpads easy. Fitting two sticks, a dpad, face buttons, and two trackpads in a way that they all could be used conveniently on a reasonably sized controller is a serious design challenge. I think the way the steam controller has it now is the best compromise. Though I think it should still prioritize the stick and buttons rather than the trackpads.

[@kidkangaroo5213]

just get an 8bitdo ultimate controller and be done with it

[@mcmudkipp]

Gyro controls are severely underrated. I am glad Nintendo gets it.

[@theanonymouscommenter976]

Definitely. When done correctly, they're simply superior

[@ashaffold]

MCmudkip p GT Sport on Gyro controls is the best driving express I’ve ever had on a game pad. It just feels so right!

[@aydenzinter2849]

I just wish they didn't include them in LOZ BOTW

[@mcmudkipp]

@@aydenzinter2849 You can turn it off. Secondly I believe they make shooting the bow really easy to be accurate.

[@ryankeenan4425]

@@aydenzinter2849 Play the rupee shooting minigame in OOT and the 3D version back to back

[@DanJacobsonDANJ16]

Never was able to get my hands on a steam controller since people bought them all out of stock.

[@ge4]

You are not missing much to be honest. It was neat when the steam input was only for the steam controllers, but since now you can use it with any joystick... The controller is just a waste of money and space.

[@catsnorkel]

@@ge4 I disagree, I love mine, it has replaced all my other controllers.

I too dislike that I missed out on the last sale and I wish they gave a warning before hand which I had noticed. Already had one though.

[@zachduncan3752]

pretty good controller, you seriously need to hunt one down off ebay or someplace.

[@FlameSoulis]

@@ge4 Not true at all. I've owned many controllers... and this one has replaced them all. Hell, it's nearly replaced my mouse and keyboard in many cases. I hate trackball, but whatever magic the controller does with its touchpad/trackball emulation is just near perfect. If I tried to play Monster Hunter World without it, it'd be like playing with the controls reversed, because of how much I customized it for everything and just because of how slick the touchpad is. On top of that, while some complained about the track pad size... I actually like it: it's the same reason why when I use my Vive Wands with the analog stick mod... I dare say I have even MORE fine controls than with my Index joystick or Rift joystick. Hell, ANY joystick! It's bigger and just has more controlled range before you hit max. It is a thing you need to get used to, but once you do, it's a breed of its own. It's a real shame it got the fate it did, but once I gave it to a friend who loves trackball mice, they fell in love with the controller and found it equally as impressive. It's neither a gamepad nor a K/M replacement... it's something in between. It's a niche item... and it does what I wanted it to do just right.

[@707vn]

"I'm not wearing underwear" - Gabe Newell

[@WangleLine]

uhh

[@human6310]

Gay ben

[@hotcrossballs]

poetry

[@andyisdandy9247]

Welcome to team fortress 2, after 12 years in development.. we forgot about it entirely

[@emperorfaiz]

Steam Deck proves they don't abandon the fundamental idea of the Steam Controller. It appears the controller part of the Steam Deck is a win-win for Steam Controller fans and regular controller fans. It's an upgrade with 4 back buttons and touch-sensitive thumbsticks that are very useful for gyro aiming for example and the trackpads with pressure-sensitive sensors instead of clickable. Despite the missing dual-stage triggers, I'm willing to take the loss because I'm quite satisfied with what Steam Deck provided. I really hope Valve release Steam Controller 2 with similar upgrades but keep the dual-stage triggers and circular shape of the trackpads.

[@TheAweDude1]

I'm still shocked that grip buttons haven't caught on.

[@Infimet]

TheAweDude1 they have

[@TheRibbonRed]

It did, but only in the +100USD "Pro" versions of controllers. Yeah, Valve basically sold such a versatile controller for a regular price while their competitors ask you a AAA game's price just to have 2 grips.

[@POTUS1126]

The PS4 black button attachment ads them to an existing controller for around 30$

[@stevethepocket]

You know what I want to see? A controller where the bumpers are below the triggers, so I can press them with my middle fingers instead of having to shift my pointer fingers up and down and only use triggers or bumpers at any moment. Most PS2 shooters used L1/R1 for triggers for that reason; we actually lost some functionality when we all decided the lower ones needed to feel like gun triggers.

[@metaknightex]

Ive tried a controller with grip buttons, and i must say im glad they havent caught on, they just make the controller worse cuz i always pressed on them by accident. Allthough maybe thats just cuz it was a cheap power A controller, but im not convinced that those buttons will ever be good

[@chemergency]

It's a nice controller that has a steep, but rewarding learning curve. Not great for some genres but a revelation for others.

[@wedding2710]

hi yuba y] yup p pop up and see what happens in your home life and how you can have popcorn 🍿 for free or with a good meal plan for your home or family meal or meal planning for your meal or dinner or dinner on the day of your birthday party or

[@wedding2710]

sorry

[@patrickklein9328]

@@wedding2710 ...what?

[@4skintim962]

badrat69 who gave their toddler a keyboard?

[@ChaosTherum]

I still think it's the best way to play the Mordor games, and GTA.

[@HateUTub]

Early reviewers killed the Steam controller. So many never understood the use of gyro. Many early reviewers didn't even know there was gyro control. Giving negative reviews not once trying nor mentioning gyro control. It was very frustrating being someone really wanting the controller to succeed. The best controller there ever was. RIP my beloved Steam controller...

[@sullivann]

Let’s be honest I’m not playing with a trackpad on a controller

[@steveelpro]

Hopefully for me, mine is still working and I still have another one in the box

[@pawes7418]

@@sullivann Yet.

[@HateUTub]

@@sullivann Don't know why not. Combine the trackpad with the gyro and it's very precise. I also enjoy the dual shock 4 with gyro and it's great, but it's no where near as precise. At the end of the day people are gonna have different preferences, so I can understand your reluctance to use something different. My post was about how reviewers glossed over and downright never mentioned the gyro. They based their opinions on using a trackpad over analog stick. The gyro is a huge feature. When gyro is used with the trackpad it really gives a precision that you cannot get with any other controller that uses two sticks. Doesn't matter if they also have gyro. If your going to review a product, you really should know the product.

[@jayjorz]

I had no idea it had gyro controls and I've owned one since I bought it when DOOM had a package sale with it. Generally I learn how controllers work from the games as I use them. Guess I never looked into the options enough to find out. Only really looked into the options enough to make the controller function at a basic level for the games I play. Only good use I had for the track pad was using it to control the camera in Trucking Simulators. But I just bought an off brand Xbox wired controller and the analog stick works great for that as well. At least on Farm Sim 19 so far.

[@francovaldes8272]

The solution? Tank controls in every game, as simple as that.

[@valletas]

Oh yeah i would love a fps and a plataformer with tank controls it fits the genre so well Seriusly though tank controls with fixed angles makes a awesome control over horror games

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@valletas tank controls

[@RayNheartZ.]

tank controls work for some games, but not platformers or fast-paced shooters

[@Cyberclone07]

I think Tank Controls work better on survival horror games tbh

[@obvfw]

Oh gosh, Goldeneye and Doom 64 flashbacks...

[@loled123]

"I will be honest here, I don't know how to read" *literal tech sheet*

[@KiraSlith]

What's worse is the two chipsets he actually showed the right section of the datasheet for don't even use the same measurements.

[@hedgehog3180]

I imagine that this also did a lot for accessibility, allowing for deep customization always helps disabled people and can allow them to play games that they couldn't before. And having a ton of different input options means that it is highly likely that there will always be one that works for someone. I really hope to see further development in this because gaming as a whole has sorta been slacking on providing accessibility options even though it's probably the form of media that is the most capable of doing so owing to it being entirely digital. I also would hope that Valve will take the lessons from the Steam controller and try to make a new better one, I think it was very close to being perfect and would just need a bit more refinement, the kind you can't get on your first try but that feedback from the community can make possible.

[@RyanPurcell]

My first thought was "yes!" When I was a kid, my younger brother knew a boy that was born with a stump for a right hand. He had surgery so he could funtionally have 2 fingers. He was able to kill it when playing the original NES system! No joke, I was blown away how well he could play... but then Super NES and PlayStation. Not to make light of it, but he became very good at soccer and helped take his high school team to win state. Sometimes we play to our strengths. Who knows if this contoroller was around if it would have helped him... it could have allowed for a little more time playing games with friends, but I think he was ok without it. Times are different so it could be cool for a kid now as there aren't NES controllers around.

[@xavierh658]

@@RyanPurcell A school friend (20 years ago 😢) had only one giant finger on each hands (and feet). He used to blast anybody at FIFA, so ...

[@AdrianRojasF]

IIRC during launch month there was a story about some guy who mapped all the inputs for Skyrim so a relative could play it using only one hand.

[@rougelazer8278]

I know console players aren't the brightest, but calling them disabled is a bit harsh....

[@BeyondReasonableClout]

i totally understand what ur getting at i have hand issues and playing with a mouse and keyboard is so incredibly painful, I currently use an xbox one s controller but theyre such shit quality

[@chickennuggets4498]

I feel like we need these kind of dives. That is how technology improved in the past improved. We need a Valve to pioneer into the unknown.

[@Spo8]

Yeah, Valve is pretty good at this. They have an infinite money machine with Steam, so they have funds to take wild swings at things they believe in. Their great work in VR and their crazy (now abandoned) AR experiments are other good examples of this.

[@bunnyfreakz]

Steam controller is not waste. Valve Index using similar hardware.

[@RustingPeace]

Valve actually patented something for a controller. I think the steam controller 2 will come

[@goblingamer606]

This video makes me regret not buying the controller. Its exactly what ive been looking for but i thought the trackpad sucked 😥. If i knew it emulated a trackball and had so many mode shifting options i woulda 100% bought one at the time

[@echo5172]

I’ve never heard of this series, youtuber, or even a steam controller, yet here I am.

[@MaoRatto]

It was GREAT DURING 2015. Which I consider " the transition of 7th gen to PC or people on PS4/Xbox One "... The problem with the Steam Controller was too niche, but too open as well.

[@aislingoda6026]

I saw this a couple days ago and didn't click on it because as someone who went to the effort of learning how to use it and came to love it, I was expecting from the title a video making fun of the controller and I'd honestly heard enough of that sort of thing. Great video man, thanks for making it.

[@snactimusmaximus]

I have a slew of these and use them all the time. With it and streaming I can play any pc game on the couch/tv so my kids can hang out and watch or play coop. It’s dope.

[@Nocsha217]

I had no idea people hated the steam controller, I bought a few of them lmao

[@JethroBlack]

I was worried too, but glad I watched it. Love my Steam controller so much! I would say the only thing that absolutely sucks about it is the lack of decent rumble (but turning rumble off in games really doesn't change things much and in some ways it's better :D ).

[@waltervondervogelweide4638]

@@Nocsha217 a FEW?

[@tugrulserhat]

it's great for racing and simulations but I wont use it for fps. I have one for over a year now

[@Onyin]

The steam controller is that one “friend” that you vividly hear about but never knew, and then here they die and your repsonse is “huh... how sad”

[@wozthescott2804]

Ok

[@mariokarter13]

"Sucks to be them I guess... who were they again?"

[@jacky9575]

@@wozthescott2804 Ok

[@joaodorjmanolo]

YEAH

[@dakat5131]

Some companies like Google have products like that. it comes up as a "oh, they had that? Guess it's too late to try it out now"

[@vforveranda4788]

HOLLOW KNIGHT REFUND!? HERETIC!! In all seriousness, I personally think why Steam failed, was by not investing in creating tutorials for the config software. It takes time to git gud on how to set up; and a lot of people simply do not have that patience.

[@thecatbear8038]

I know it’s such a great video then he stars spouting nonsense like hollow knight refund at this rate a steam controls more reliable then him

[@vforveranda4788]

@@thecatbear8038 Yeah, but don't go too hard on the boi.. I also struggled until I finally B-slapped Hornet down. Had I been a lesser man, I might have refunded there and sunk into the shadows in disgrace too. :)

[@firefox5133]

maybe he was refunding it so he could buy silksong lol

[@vforveranda4788]

@@firefox5133 Ha ha. Maybe. Maybe he spedrun it in 2h, then refunded it so he can buy silksong straight after. You know, like REAL gamers do it, not like us sucky lot that gets stuck on the first "boss". ;)

[@MpSniperM1911]

i was using a ps4 controller with steam input since 2019 for euro truck simulator and only now that i have a steam controller making a good profile for me is rougher and sometimes harder than finishing dark souls on NG+5 Soul lvl 1. For gta 5 i want to use only the trackpads (i bought one so i don't have stick drift problem anymore) so the right trackpad is to change to the d-pad with the advantage that i can drive and use the phone at the same time but it is a pain to test and test for some time just to see if it is actually useful, that's the magic word: useful! If it this efford gives me some advantage and efficiency.

[@westsenkovec]

I remember when this came out. It was truly groundbreaking. Live firmware, gyro aim, touchpads with haptic feedback.. It was literally "the future is now" moment. I thought it could only get better from here on. Sadly, even the today's PS5 controller is nowhere near it.

[@kyto5001]

@@NeoHCgbz but there’s also a reason more people have iphones then expensive watches

[@LegioXXI]

@@NeoHCgbz "There is a reason mechanical watches sell for more than iPhones" Uhm, you know that Apple Watches are the most sold watches by now? Not just smartwatches, watches in general.

[@tranquil5273]

I really don't understand where you are coming from because the touchpads weren't really good, and the gyro aim is standard on switch and PS controllers. Haptic feedback is basically vibrations too. You can also do the same stuff with the DS4 in steam.

[@meatisomalley]

@@tranquil5273 Did you even watch the video? DS4 doesn't have the same capabilities.

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

Steamcontroller techheads kitchensink, it was too different from what we all are used to and a pain in the ass to set up in a satisfactory manner

[@richardmillhousenixon]

As someone who genuinely likes their Steam Controller, IMO the best feature is the built in controller keyboard which uses each trackpad to control one half of the keyboard allowing someone with practice to type almost as fast as you can on a phone.

[@k9_hyp4h45]

How do you deal with the size and the constant rumble with the mouse?

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

@@k9_hyp4h45 mouse doesn't have rumble

[@user-fs9mv8px1y]

I could never get used to it, but it's definitely very nice

[@richardmillhousenixon]

@@k9_hyp4h45 Controller has transducers instead of rumble motors so haptic feedback is more of a click than a shake, and the size of the controller is pretty close to that of an Xbox controller, the only difference being the thiccness

[@richardmillhousenixon]

@Ali Hadi Babar the PS4 has a trackpad, correct. The PS4 does not however have two separate trackpads reachable by both thumbs without changing your grip on the controller.

[@SkyblueStarmoon]

I remember purchasing the Steam Controller when it was $5 and had a field day with Doom 2016 on it. My friend actually joked about trading, but I reminded him I offered to buy him one and he said he was fine.

[@M.F.Hafizhan]

Damn, i wanted to buy it but it's always out of stock when i checked it

[@DatBoi-mo9vc]

@A Gamer Aaron wasting his time on a piece of hardware that is no longer being created (meaning limited stock) that he could have gotten for free and flipped for money down the line? Sounds like a shit move to me.

[@novaseer]

That's damn impressive considering how aim-reliant of a game Doom 2016 is.

[@SkyblueStarmoon]

novaseer Doom 2016 with the default Steam Controller layout is alright. I felt my favorite parts was the fact the Jump and Chainsaw were on the back paddles while the aiming could be controlled with touchpad flicks or gyro aiming while holding the touchpad.

[@RambleCan]

Hey, that was my Sekiro config! :P 8:49 And yeah, a great frustration is that there isn't an easy way to describe all the actions of a config. The text boxes and description box don't allow much explanation so if you are doing ANYTHING beyond basic default mappings it can be difficult for new users to absorb.

[@emperorfaiz]

Oh hey, good too see you again.

[@lindsaygibson2142]

Would be nice if they gave an option to view only bindings or descriptions.

[@Ticktok_of_Oz]

yup, I appreciate it when you make your controller mapping posters and post them on nexus like you did for starcitizen. I wish the actual controller mapping page had a "save to image" option that would just autogenerate those, and/or be able to bring mappings up on the android app and view on the fly.

[@somebonehead]

Thank you for your work, I'll make sure to download it once I finally buy Sekiro during this sale.

[@SylverstoneKhandr]

Ah yes, the patron saint of the Steam Controller.

[@nikkoa.3639]

So Steam Deck... Yeah this makes me excited about the future

[@wileymanful]

I hope early reviewers don't ruin it like the controller. I really hope they don't

[@kamari_5727]

And scalpers too

[@chompythebeast]

@@wileymanful How can reviewers ruin a product like a controller?

[@wileymanful]

@@chompythebeast They ruined the reputation of it by not understanding what they were reviewing.

[@chompythebeast]

@@wileymanful I'm pretty sure it wasn't the reviews that killed it. It was a major piece of hardware from one of the biggest names in the industry, reviews alone couldn't kill it if it was actually a great product. The fact that they sold their remaining stock in a $5 fire sale very much indicates that the blame was _not_ on reviewers

[@thebarbiter4644]

The "flick-stick" thing would make BOTW PERFECT.

[@doom5895]

I don't see it I think it would be better suited for a quake 5 not in botw where you don't use the arrows too much I think it would be too drastic of a change on the fly just for some arrows

[@bensmart92]

Yeah flick stick is a game-changer for gyro!

[@qweriop]

Oh believe me it is. I am unable to play with a different controller after I tried that. It is amazing.

[@qweriop]

@@doom5895 it's useful in botw because the lock on mechanic is broken and this helps a lot with picking the right target.

[@adog3129]

@@qweriop no, it's because turning large amounts is a pain in the ass.

[@KingOfMadCows]

I feel like they should have actually made a high quality "pro" version of the steam controller. I really like the incredible versatility of the controller but it just feels so cheap.

[@superdude9856]

The only real complaint I have about it is the pisspoor rumble

[@deamoriaz943]

Totally agree. I thought the software side was impressive over the years, but I wish the plastic felt more like the dualshock controller or such.

[@CouchCit]

Yup, and it should've had analog stick add-ons similar to the ones customizers created, amongst other bespoke features

[@KuraIthys]

@@deamoriaz943 Funny. Can't stand the feel of the dualshock controller's plastic. Or sony controller plastic in general. Gives me the creeps, almost like I'm allergic to it or something. Really nasty stuff. (not cheap necessarily, just... Nasty to have to be touching...)

[@johnkrisuytiepo7774]

Gamesir G5 ... for maximum versatiliy .. you can even play most mobile games with it

[@autistichades5552]

5:51 "Hollow Knight refund NOW" Me: *angry Radiance noices*

[@crazysoldier5]

so true

[@NakaSemperi8479]

Haha Moth god go brr

[@triangletriangle4520]

why would you ever want to refund hk its practically stealing at it's price

[@RiahGreen]

When I *SAW* that I was like _uhhhhh_

[@lewis9s]

It’s not even that much why refund?!

[@GeorgeCowsert]

What I love about innovation, even failed ones, is that their legacy will always live on in their successors. After all, what's success without failure to learn from?

[@Pickelrye]

"what's success without failure to learn from?" History repeating itself, of course.

[@drifter402]

Thank god for Valve always pushing it. Most won't bother since they'll need to convince investors.

[@MaoRatto]

@@Pickelrye No? It is why the Steam Deck exists today. I think if Valve made another controller, not the Hori one... It would be Steam Deck's control lay out as I think that is the best input would be the Steam Deck's lay out, but bring back slightly bigger trackpads, maybe 2 extra face buttons... That would be perfect. As the Deck's D-pad is great,

[@jamesstark6499]

I’m gonna be honest, the Steam Controller is one of my favorite controllers, and I was sad to see it go. I’ve played Final Fantasy XIV for years with it, and I don’t think I’d ever be able to play it with something else with how easily I was able to edit my controller layout and make it so I could easily use all 32 actions on my hotbar with one hand. That said, there’s still plenty of games I just hook up a Switch controller to play.

[@ShadowMystic7]

"Mapping frequently used actions will tire out the hands..." me, using grips for dodge in every game:

[@jelani2790]

same, left grip is run (Lshift) and right grip is jump (space). always for me lol

[@UniversMonster]

going to miss controllers with grip buttons

[@goblingamer606]

Grips for dodging sounds awesome. Imagine a dodge left and dodge right input on dark souls or for honor

[@AleK0451]

@@goblingamer606 dark souls dodging doesn't work like that but it'd be interesting to see something like that working

[@kingofworms831]

You must have fun playing Dark Souls 3.

[@RestlessDipstick]

The timing was impeccable, I was just looking up stuff about this thing earlier out of sheer curiosity when I had to find an alternative way to use my PS3 controller on Sonic Mania (PC).

[@itjustworks1858]

to answer the question download psnow cause it comes with drivers that allow you to use ps3 controllers on pc much better then motion joy

[@RestlessDipstick]

Already found a solution, but I'll look into that too. Thanks.

[@woopdydoo1644]

oh dude? afterglow? cus afterglow is kinda badass imo

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

The best use I had for my PS4 was to use the PS4 controller on my PC lmao

[@fenixflexin5942]

use xbox

[@HuddyTheBuddy]

I came back to this video after the Steam Deck was announced. Arguably the death of the Steam Controller was needed, as it pushed the industry more forward, and eventually led to Valve implementing it into the Deck, which I believe is where it truly belongs. Having the screen in the controller/console itself ala Switch-style just _feels_ right. It kinda reminds me of how VR works: when you move in a 3D environment, the image on your screen also moves. But if the physical screen the image is on is also moving in tandem with the digital image, it feels much more fluid and grounded. The Switch really gets it right, but it feels underutilized by developers, and the Switch's hardware was low-end when it was released, causing many games on it to be handicapped in performance (such as DOOM). Hopefully, if successful, it will finally bring gyro to the mass market of PC gamers. If it works like how the Steam Controller does, where you can select controller layouts via the community, then I believe we might start seeing more widespread adoption of gyro. I bought a Steam Controller when it was available, and now I've got a preorder in for the Deck. Valve might be hit or miss on hardware, but I feel that this time they hit a home run.

[@aberges]

Moving the screen is NEVER going to be a good idea. You will miss critical frames due to blurring and re-adjusting eyes at best, dizziness at worst.

[@stevethepocket]

You make it sound like they're aiming to match the turning speed between the game and real life, like how VR head tracking works-it takes a full 90° turn of the controller to turn the camera 90° and so on. And while that might be amusing for the novelty value, there's no way they're going to do that. It's just too low of a sensitivity to be comfortable, even if you're sitting on a swivel chair or able to also use the stick for wide turns. Not to mention that 99% of third-party games would be emulating the mouse or right stick, so achieving that exact sensitivity setting might be impossible. That said, I remember when I accidentally tapped on a Google Maps link on my iPad and discovered that Street View (in the browser, mind you!) supported real-time camera control via the gyro. It was amusing for a few minutes... and then when I tried to find it again later, I couldn't, which I guess means people complained and they got rid of it. And I don't blame them really.

[@HuddyTheBuddy]

@@stevethepocket rereading my comment, I can see why it does sound like that was what I was trying to say, however I would agree and say that real-time, real-world corresponding gyro is way too difficult to maintain. My intention was to say that moving a display around in the real world while allowing those movements to correspond in-game feels fluid and right at times, much like how Breath of the Wild uses gyro-aiming when Link draws his bow or is using the Sheikah Slate. If you grab a Switch and use it undocked, moving the screen around while playing without gyro is disorienting and makes playing unbearable, but the minute you translate those movements over to the image/camera it instantly becomes much more playable (especially when your intentions were to move the controller *to* move). But translating the movements 1:1 is usually _too_ much; you'd be asking a lot from the player to twist around like a madman just to play a game and is much better for smaller, more minute movements in-game (like aiming), which gives the player a larger area to work with the gyroscope to correct themselves in real life, while not actively punishing them for over/undercorrecting. This is especially prevalent when you consider that gyro (at least, for now) has the tendency to "misalign" and lose it's tracking, making playing games solely with it a hassle. That's why I feel that it would be best used for smaller movements as Nerrel mentions, using a control style such as flick-stick to compensate for gyro's shortcomings. The way that the Deck seems to get around this is that gyro only works when your thumbs are placed on the touchpads, and shuts off when it isn't in use. This allows it to maneuver around gyro's tracking issue as it basically re-aligns itself when back in use. It’s similar to the Switch where gyro is not actively being used 100% of the time, allowing the player to reposition themselves in-between uses, but giving the Deck the advantage of using it whenever you’d like. This is probably the best use of gyro for the time being. I could also see a 1:1 gyro tracker working for something like VR, where your movements are supposed to translate exactly as planned, and use it in-tandem with other trackers (either inside-out or outside-in) to help make trackers more accurate with a second measurement, or even use it for more body tracking. Maybe they already use this tech in VR; I’m not too up-to-date with that community and hardware, but I could definitely see it getting some use. I would love to see more use and wider adoption of gyro, but the world was introduced to it in such a poor way that most consider it a novelty and don’t want to switch to a new control scheme, and I don’t blame them. But I still think gyro has plenty of potential if done right, which is why I hope the Deck is able to pull it off and get more people used to it. My apologies for such the long response; I tend to get wordy when writing on a real keyboard, but I hope I clarified my stance a bit better.

[@stevethepocket]

@@HuddyTheBuddy _"Maybe they already use this tech in VR; I’m not too up-to-date with that community and hardware, but I could definitely see it getting some use."_ They do. Although now I'm wondering how doable it would be to acclimate oneself to a game camera that turns further than the player's head does. I imagine it would induce the same kind of motion sickness as "locomotion" (as Valve calls moving with the left stick instead of teleporting around) does at first.

[@nobodynoone2500]

As the owner of a steam controller, Can we please have both? I'd love a Gen2 steam controller. Theyre soo good they are banned in many controller games.

[@monochromemiku7983]

I really wish people would respect Gyro aiming more. Nintendo use it so effectively these days and playing an FPS with sticks feels even worse than before now

[@poke548]

I'm fine with the idea of gyro, but the Joycon/Procon gyro doesn't feel right to me. It feels like playing on a mouse with a super low DPI. Also, I just really don't have very steady hands at all.

[@ThomasCoote89]

@@poke548 It seems to work well with things like aiming the bow in BOTW but suffers a lot from issues like drift, even on the pro controller. Hopefully future iterations refine it more because it's got potential.

[@simplygreen5832]

I'm genuinely surprised at how well gyro was doing, but I don't know this guys background. Heavy console/controller guy? Personally FPS on anything other than KB+mouse is painful.

[@TonyJenn]

@@poke548 I can understand that. I lean more towards the pro controller than split joycons.

[@CandarianGaming]

Gyro has full support on steam that can be configured and used for any game. Steam controller, switch pro and dualshock 4 are all supported

[@WMan37]

I'm one of the weirdos out there that absolutely loves my steam controller. There's basically no substitute for playing older games with weird control schemes like Messiah or Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire, and it actually functions pretty nicely with 6DoF games like descent too because of the back triggers and gyro. On top of that, I once created a profile for Quake 3 Arena that allowed me to switch to any weapon in the game instantly on a whim with the gauntlet selectable with an easy to access back trigger for emergency scenarios, and bunnyhopping is effortless in that game with a gyro. It makes me sad that it had the issues it did, because I feel like with minor tweaks to the design it would be the best controller I've ever used. I really do hope valve comes out with that revision 2, even when I'm not using it for gaming I use my steam controller almost every day to control my PC from a couch or a bed. Steam controller is like the Sega Dreamcast of game controllers, in the best and worst ways. Clunky, but innovative and inspiring. I wish grip triggers and software side rebinding was an industry standard, honestly.

[@CruxisFire]

100% agreed. Love my Steam controllers when I'm using the Steam link. Even prefer it over my wired 360 controller when at the desk.

[@dakat5131]

I wish more new things would be tried. I get why playing it "safe" is practically imperative, and a new product might fail, but it can be interesting to see new ways of doing things

[@SkylerLinux]

I kinda wish that Steam/Valve had allowed the mapping to work with out Big Picture Mode.

[@mariophreak]

@@SkylerLinux They fixed that, the mapping works just fine without big picture mode, only downside is that you won't be able to change the controls mid game.

[@matmacsug]

The steam controller definitely feels like what Sega would have created to take on Nintendo during the Wii/U era in an alternate dimension.

[@Rebel_Winds]

Really all I want out of a controller is the Steam Controller but with half-decent build quality. Other controllers just don't stack up once you're used to it.

[@MGosling94]

yeah mines sorta falling apart at this point, the left pad has weird deadzone problems and the right trigger is kinda sticky. plastic feels cheap too, especially the gloss. I'd buy a $100 steam controller, plz valve.

[@SprocketWatchclock]

@@MGosling94 Third'd. I'd get one too.

[@ze_or]

Michael Gosling i'd totally buy one even if it's $200 lol

[@nicoataiza7850]

Let's gooo

[@cristianarreola8582]

3:43 Missing a shot because you pulled the trigger too hard is actually something that happens when firing real guns. The fact that it happens with gyro aiming is kinda cool. In real life, the trick is to squeeze the trigger instead of pulling it. This basically focuses the energy on just the trigger instead of the whole gun. Could you elaborate on your solution of "this can be controlled with a little bit of focus"? I didn't understand that and I'm curious about what you meant.

[@dan1RR]

Well, probably you create your own mental notes of what hapens, ans offset that to keep the aim fixed, but that requires you to keep adjusting everytime -Since every situation can change the balance in different ways- (so you don't get used to it. And don't do it by muscle memory like every other control scheme), therefore it requires an amount of focus. Kinda like trying to balance a broom by the cable. atleast that is what I got.

[@Antigen__]

I suppose "focus" as in "be alert enough to not press buttons so hard that you shake the controller," like consciously avoiding tilting your body when taking tight turns in a racing game.

[@doublex85]

There's also the fact that trigger buttons are on the top of the controller instead of the back. I've never fired a gun before but I bet it makes a big difference.

[@drusilla3882]

"I'll give you my SC when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" Seriously, the SC is incredible...it's like using a smartphone instead of a flip-phone.

[@CrypticConsole]

I agree, there a massive improvement over PS4 or Xbox, however I feel emulating mouse inputs for games not designed for controllers is what made it flop

[@eeyhdhdjdjeehhehej7027]

Just get a mouse

[@Tegrius88]

"And even then good luck! Because I would've glued it to my cold dead hands."

[@HarryBerry316]

No

[@vforveranda4788]

@@eeyhdhdjdjeehhehej7027 As a massive fan of the SC, I'd normally be "REEEEEEEEEEEE"ing at that brazen comment (some games are just more fun with a controller).... HOWEVER... For the same reasons as why to get SC, have a look at the Swiftpoint Z mouse. That muddafuqqa is right expensive , but OMFG.. (Especially now they're constantly updating the software in prep for the Tracer). If you do have the money, get a Z.

[@freemansfreedom8595]

Being honest, I'm convinced that the Steam Controller will come back at some point in the future. There is nothing like it. And Steam controller was a triumph in something no one seems to have noticed: Gathering usage data. Huge success. In my opinion this was a beta test all along. Give people new ways to interact with the games, and collect data on how they used those building blocks. What works, what doesn't, what can be improved. And they got a lot of data to work on. Valve is playing the long game here, same with the Steam Machines/Steam OS and even VR considering market penetration. Proton is a clear example. They are pouring some cash into it, when it doesn't make any sense based on numbers. Unless you consider the big picture in maybe even a decade forward. The patent is another clear example, it is Valve recognizing that, depending on the game, you need different physical types of input. Thus making things interchangeable. I bet that, thanks to user feedback, Index controllers are as good as they are today. SC will come back, quite changed, with what it needs, I am sure of it.

[@dlib89]

Some time ago, they patented a new one, with replaceable parts, meaning you can put an analog stick/Dpad where the tracks are, and so on. www.hardwarebbq.com/valve-steam-controller-swappable-components/

[@xXYannuschXx]

@@dlib89 This would be great, the biggest problem (IMHO) of the Steam Controller, was the bad joystick emulation of the right trackpad. Games that required a right analog stick (due to design choices or even incompatibility (some games didn't like getting mixed joystick/keyboard/mouse inputs from the API)) were generally very hard to play with it.

[@alanvolkov6487]

You're giving valve too much credit. It's a company that has got drunk off of steam and I dont see them really playing a long game. Just some sort of game that involves whatever Gabe or their employees are interested in at the time.

[@dlib89]

@@xXYannuschXx in fact, it's not the controller's fault that. Been using mine for years and making all the settings possible. The issue is: normally devs sets the game's xinput with just x and y movement. There is no between value. Check that yourself: Re2 Remake and Re3 Remake makes use of the full analog spectrum over xinput, while most games not. Meaning that mouse simulated over joystick works exactly as a mouse.

[@freemansfreedom8595]

@@alanvolkov6487 If they were drunk on Steam, why not continue to just improve Steam? Why bother making first the Vive, then move to the Index, using the info they got from the Steam Controller and even develop Alyx, when developing HL3 would have been far more profitable? If they were drunk on Steam, why pour resources in the WINE project, as well as in DXVK and Proton, integrating it with Steam? Why pour cash into their streaming tech, when it has been shown that cloud gaming, while it has it's use cases, and will become common, it won't become the main gaming platform? Again, foresight. . VR will improve till it becomes common, as it can elevate a lot of gaming experiences, but for now it is the long game play. Linux in both, desktop and for their cloud gaming service when it arrives. Same with streaming. And in a bigger picture: Their streaming service, play wherever you want, whatever PC game you want using a curated controller that allows you to play ANY game, because you are not limited by your input (like you are to a point with classic controllers) I see that direction quite clear. Just like when people though their new store, Steam, was mostly a whim and a stupid idea, yet here we are that not even the stupid amounts of cash that Epic pours into their EGS can make a dent in them. I'm giving them credit based on the current direction they are taking. They just started before anyone else's.

[@jswp5]

“The metroid prime trilogy that’s been rumored lately” *sigh* You know there won’t be one

[@onometre]

between the remaster craze and metroid prime 4 Id be surprised if there wasn't one

[@zaikolebolsh5724]

My friends second cousin knows the uncle of a guy who works at EA and said that potato chips 11 is confirmed for the Nintendo station X

[@FoXenthusiast42]

Zaiko LeBolsh why specify the chips are potatoes? Chips are literally potatoes

[@zaikolebolsh5724]

@@TommyTom21 non potato chips? What the fuck

[@harrisontashjian752]

Just buy the trilogy on the Wii, or do what I did and buy each game one at a time, playing prime 1, loving it, playing prime 2, loving it even more, and prime 3 being fusion but trying to hide it's linearity as opposed to making it a plot point.

[@greevar]

You can pry my steam controller from my cold dead hands.

[@roqeyt3566]

@DanGraves1983 if it works, and you wanna get rid of it, I'll take it I already own 3, I wouldn't mind a 4th

[@roqeyt3566]

@DanGraves1983 dang, that's really expensive I'm buying them for 30-40 euros, that's a decent price all things considered

[@roqeyt3566]

@DanGraves1983 where do you live then, that they're so rare?

[@roqeyt3566]

@DanGraves1983 ohhh ik ben ook Nederlands Wel vreemd hoor, op marktplaats vindt je ze zo voor 30€

[@roqeyt3566]

@DanGraves1983 wel een top deal hoor, da's nog eens lekker verdienen. Ik denk dat in de toekomst de prijzen ook wel rond de 100€ gaan zitten ongeacht waar je zoekt

[@devourer1266]

"Welcome to too late, don't give a shit." *Instantly subs*

[@AfroSnackey]

This is how you get people into motion controls: -Let gyro, mouse and stick exist in the same game -Let stick users get bodied -Adapt or die. That simple.

[@jerryborjon]

I accept this future with open arms

[@ThreeEyedFish]

Survival of the fittest

[@AL2009man]

that's pretty much how Fortnite handles it by offering a "Lock Input Method as Mouse" option.

[@4Wilko]

"Can I join your team?" "NO STICKS!"

[@emperorfaiz]

I've seen the same thing happening on Splatoon. The stick-only players got wrecked hard by gyro players.

[@paperbackwriter1111]

the steam controller was dope for me. EDIT: also in particular for platformers: once I set my own deadzones, it was more comfy than any dpad and just as fast and accurate.

[@chuzzle44]

This! I think of it as combining the speed and comfort of a stick with the precision of an actual dpad.

[@brux357]

Wait WHAT?! Explain yourself. I have a steam controller that I love tinkering with but almost never actually use for gaming. I would love to try your setup. I’m a total platformer nut and you have made me extremely curious

[@chuzzle44]

@@brux357 Well, let's see. As the Click is far to stiff for rapid input, you are going to have to turn off "Requires Click" so that the pad responds to touch, much like a touchscreen but with haptic feedback and an indented surface. You need to adjust to either holding your thumb still in the middle(Which may require adjusting the deadzone), or hovering over the pad. Clicking should be used for more advanced functions(Modeshifting, Action Layers, etc...). If you have used a PSP joystick, then adjusting to the sliding motion should be a cinch. If you have avoided using a joystick for platformers, the transition may be more difficult. Unlike the typical D-Pad, there is little to no rocking and absolutely no clicking. You simply slide from one direction to another. This is insanely fast and fluid when you get used to it, and doesn't even wear your thumb out or leave marks like many D-Pads. To help visualize the inputs, simply enable "Controller HUD" from the Steam Overlay ingame. This will show you exactly where you are touching the pad. The pad can be set to either "Directional Pad" or "Joystick Move" inputs, which function more or less identically, but may perform better or worse depending on the game. If analog output is needed, go with some form of joystick. Though there is the "Analog Emulation" option for D-Pad input, it simply pulses the buttons, which may be useful in certain situations, but is mostly useless. The most important thing to remember is that EVERYTHING is customizable. From deadzone size and shape(Yes Shape!), to the way diagonals are handled, haptic response, and even analog response curves, you can tweak to your hearts content. Find a game you like and go at it. I was literally just playing Super Meat Boy with one finger(either thumb) when I saw your post. I have unfortunately have to hit the hay at the moment, but if you have more questions, let me know. I'm happy to help and will respond when I can. Take care.

[@brux357]

John Rowland I wish I could like this comment twice. I’ll absolutely be trying this out later

[@Z1g0l]

Very underrated controller IMO. Played Witcher 3 with it and can't imagine playing it with something else.

[@BongoBybs]

As an owner of a steam controller, I usually just left it on the shelf to sit for a month just because I thought it felt funky. But then I decided I wold just get used to it and I find it really fun to use. It's even works amazingly as a replacement mouse. I think my only complaint with it was the little buttons that are tough to switch to after using the track pad.

[@abrilfool]

I love my steam controller so much, that I bought a second one just in case when they were going out of stock

[@TheRibbonRed]

same

[@peternystrom921]

I didnt but now i wish i did, I think its great in every sens. I havnt seen the video but i cant get past all the negativity about it. Just have a 360 controller in standby if you need to.

[@AverageAlien]

Regular console controller is much more comfortable and don't require 100% brain concentration to use. If you want to play competitive games where precision is key, use mouse and keyboard, simple

[@icetrey8662]

@@AverageAlien Damn bro, it's not hard. I use it with no problems and I'm high 100% of the time. I remember there being a learning curve but not like an arcade stick or something.

[@AverageAlien]

@@icetrey8662 it's basically mobile gaming on a controller lmao touch pad my ass

[@wind2536]

The steam controller looks like it plays music.

[@Cam_K9]

It actually does on start up and shut down if you set it to

[@tvboxmimic7887]

“I’m taking classes to learn how to play my favorite songs.” “Really, what instrument?” “Steam Controller.”

[@DiegoJpChannel]

actually the jurassic park tune at the end was played on a steam controller

[@emperorfaiz]

There's a mod where you can actually play a music on SC.

[@ThisAlias]

0:13

[@YomBouyashaka]

Just coming here to say that I'm still pissed I couldn't get one on time when Steam discontinued them and lowered the price, oh and yeah also I put the people who bought them massively just to flip them on eBay in the same bag as those preventing others from buying tickets for live events for a chance to flip them, it is humbly labelled "scumbag".

[@kennethjallington]

I have one and I hate it. You want it?

[@YomBouyashaka]

@@kennethjallington Hello! Very nice of you to suggest! I have no idea how much that'd cost for delivery, I am from Europe.

[@WATCLysh]

@@YomBouyashaka yo im from the UK and my dad got one whilst it was out LOL

[@Martel4]

I bought one. It was $5. I had to. I shoulda bought more tho and flipped them lol

[@WATCLysh]

@A C Nah

[@arthurdurham]

Glad to see all of Valve's hardware innovation is being implemented into the Steam Deck

[@Thumbsupurbum]

The fiddly configuration options may feel like a chore setting it up, but they really area godsend when you need those tools. Being able to set up things like auto-run in games that don't normally have it, for example. That alone makes the controller worth it, imo.

[@champagnesupernova1839]

Oh god yes, and they even allow the option to use controllers with otherwise completely incompatible games in a comfortable way adjustable for every player! For example, I have a setup that lets me play Among Us with a controller.

[@Hegataro]

I remember the days (and games still do it to this day) when the "Controls" menu in the Options menu was just an image that showed you what each button did, and not an actual options menu

[@champagnesupernova1839]

@@Hegataro Ah yes, those were dark times indeed.

[@FederalBureau_OfInvestigations]

Having "hold breath", "use scope," "aim" and "focus" mapped to the soft pull of the trigger button (shoot) in dayZ makes me wonder why tf this isn't more popular than it is. You can seriously utilize the hell out of this controller to enhance your own playability of any given game. But everyone would rather play finger Twister on their keyboard.

[@Horoprime]

Yeah, but you don't need SC for that features anymore.

[@Kaidantonio333]

I wish I got one when they were cheap and going out of stock. Would have loved to own a piece of gaming history.

[@justinreinsma9772]

I'd check secondhand sources like kijiji, I managed to get one for 25 canadian dollars in nearly Minto condition. It rocks for games like monster hunter!

[@Coopidge]

Picked one up for $5 when Steam was selling out their stock.

[@tralphstreet]

I would have loved to too, but it doesn't ship worldwide so I got screwed... and would have probably gotten screwed by shipping costs if it did... + taxes... yeah maybe I wouldn't have bought it if I could.

[@Aomicplane]

I have an unopened boxed one which you can buy for €65.

[@souljastation5463]

@weebles I got it for cheap, but 5? Ididn't know it ever got so low. I got a Steam link for that price, and another for even less.

[@rager1969]

His narration style reminds me of those cable shows about aliens or ghosts - trying to put you on the edge of your seat for every sentence

[@gregorymirabella1423]

it's a shame that i'll likely never get one of these things now. it took me forever to get a pc and by the time i finally had one (2018) i never thought or heard about the steam controller until it was too late. it seemed interesting too, and being an input device fanboy, i would've loved to have this thing in my collection.

[@lightlng]

@Source Dasher but they’re so fucking expensive

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@Source Dasher they cost 300 fucking dollars though.

[@kellymountain]

i am a screen fanboy

[@gundamnduke0]

should've grabbed one when they were 5 dollars. I didn't plan on using it, but as soon as I heard the news, I immediately grabbed one before it sold out. I just finally unboxed it last week to play Genshin Impact on my PC with it. I was so impressed because the game isn't even supported on Steam, but the community support for it was overwhelming. All I had to do was loading a configuration shared by someone from the community and that's it. Sure it took some learning, but once I started knowing what I'm doing I was thoroughly enjoying it

[@dadodelgado1996]

I managed to buy one second hand on 90 bucks

[@DeltaJT2]

I won't take the bait, but I want to when he searched Hollow Knight refund NOW. Damn that was funny.

[@ZingoBananaa]

he still hasn't gitten gud

[@LunamrathP]

That's something I really appreciate about Nerrel. I don't agree much with his take on Hollow Knight, but I like how cheeky he is towards people that get legit butthurt about it.

[@alexanderksiazek8790]

right? he knows he's triggering people and revels in it

[@banjotooieboy]

@@LunamrathP I think he kinda butthurt about people shittin on him for it lol

[@bobvella7228]

@@banjotooieboy i still can't believe he skipped benches

[@LemonMoon]

One time I was having a party but then I remembered that I needed to record some phonics practice for German. But a friend of mine had brought over his computer, but not a mouse, so he was borrowing mine. So my solution, rather than interrupt the gaming, was to navigate through my computer and audacity with the steam controller. It worked, just very awkwardly.

[@BBSplat]

With enough practice, simply navigating your PC with the steam controller can feel the same as using the touchpad mouse on a laptop.

[@MrNotgoth]

The Steam controller is the best (and only) computer remote I've ever used. It's amazing to use when I'm ready to go to bed and just want to be on KZbin and reddit

[@MrBritishNinja]

RIP the rest of us :(

[@mikewhy709]

DS4 controllers work pretty well here too. You can map one half of the touchpad to mouse+left click/right click, and the other half to a scroll pad+middle click.

[@qchtohere8636]

@@mikewhy709 You can't write comments/replies as easily though..

[@Bitbatgaming]

this is by far the best use

[@hiduck8247]

so if it's the only one you ever used, it's the best and the worst at the same time. you have nothing to compare against

[@GlimmerSprings]

Just have to say that this along with the motion control videos are among my favorite all time videos on KZbin. I've returned to rewatch these videos easily 20 times and it never gets old. Really well done on these Nerrel.

[@metroided34]

im writing this comment with my Steam Controller. i hope to god Valve does a Steam Controller 2.0, nothing in the market compares to it, and i really doubt anything in the future will.

[@lindsaygibson2142]

Same, I don't even have a mouse connected to my PC anymore.

[@DanielWon]

@@lindsaygibson2142 same here, wish the controller had better developer support.

[@oximofo9]

Seriously I had so much fun playing WoW with it.

[@kevinbuchanan67]

Lucky for you guys (and me) they are making a 2.0! That's why they discontinued the first one. It's rumored to have a snap in dpad, and a mic and maybe a speaker

[@googIesux]

@@kevinbuchanan67 please please please please please... >w

[@connor107]

summary: gyro aim is GOAT

[@fakedeltatime]

The "Flickstick" configuration seems really interesting too, looking forward to testing it out in games.

[@citrusblast4372]

It sounds incredible. I think the closest thing I've seen of that is with splatoon where you reset the camera to face wherever the character is facing by pressing y. You can essentially flick the camera by turning your character then press y

[@echowhosthis]

Citrus Blast you can do the same thing in 3d zeldas. turn link, then z/l target. it’s honestly better in zelda (at least imo) because it’s a bit more fleshed our and practical

[@braveheart1320]

@@citrusblast4372 That's a common feature in, dare I say, most third person action/shooter games. This idea basically would make the action of turning and pressing y all packaged in one turn, independent of your movement stick.

[@Jamandabop]

Since the Steam Deck had a dock and can be used as a hybrid, I hope the Steam Deck 2 launches with a Steam Controller 2. They're both very promising and useful tech with some rough edges.

[@professorbadvibes695]

If the "3D platformer with mouse and keyboard controls" genre ever catches on, my steam controller is ready. Otherwise I mostly just bust it out for Sonic Robo Blast 2

[@BBSplat]

Damn I hadn't considered trying the Steam Controller for that... now I've got something to try.

[@pv2]

I *purchased* mine for that. Used to be keyboard only (and pretty good at it, I recorded those old srb2 power play videos), but steam pad with rear triggers for action buttons, analog for movement, and right trackpad for camera control has become my main scheme and I love it to bits.

[@professorbadvibes695]

@@pv2 How did you get it all bound? Without steam my rear triggers don't work and with steam the game doesn't respond to my analog stick cause it switches to xinput, which isn't compatible with the trackpad

[@superdude9856]

Clustertruck, mirror's edge, a story about my uncle, valley

[@pv2]

@@professorbadvibes695 I got a config from somebody else and tweaked it to my liking - but something weird is going on with it anyways, whenever I press "tilt camera up" it also uses the fireflower shoot button, and I have no idea why. Usually isn't a problem though. Couldn't tell you what's special about mine that it didn't run into your problem - but, well, even if I shared it half of it is in SRB2's own config. I can try sending it if you want it though.

[@Jawd14]

Valve has done so many innovative things through steam that it is incredible

[@hotmailcompany52]

Makes you wonder what the future will hold. I remember hearing a while back that they were researching brain-computer interfaces

[@rawk2058]

And epic games is just steeling their ideas and killing their company with exclusives

[@thingsiplay]

While some other companies still have no shopping cart.

[@lucafacchinetti2522]

@@rawk2058 you can't really say that epic games are stealing valve's ideas...selling games digitally is nothing innovative and if anything having some competition might be good for Steam. The actual innovative ideas valve has introduced have been pretty much unmatched

[@Pennycilin3]

Something that I like about Valve is they like to do big things. They created a new controller that changes the way you play, creates a new VR headset that gives you much more level of immersion, plus a VR game that is actually great! Even though they have been digging the microtransactions too much (TF2, Dota 2 and CSGO) but at least those money they've made was used for the development of gaming. Can't wait to see them doing more big stuff (and probably don't make games like Artifact again smh)

[@Idothinkysaurus]

I really hope something like "Flick Stick" is the future for controllers on console, or at least an option for it. It looks and sounds like a cool, fun, and technical way to play a game. Gyro controls are going to have to be normalized if we're really riding into a future where Xbox, PlayStation, and PC all play in harmony on the same servers. The future of gaming hardware is a bit fuzzy, because consumers don't seem privy to much innovation, but there's a clear path somewhere in there.

[@housekakes2625]

I prefer the mouse i used to use an Xbox controller but people change...

[@grizzerz64]

Flick Stick is exactly what I needed when I wanted to start using gyro controls. I've always wondered how could I use the stick to pan my view without fucking up gyro calibrations, and then this video answers it.

[@tstokemb]

Nah. Just plug in a mouse and keyboard to your console. Controllers will always be at a disadvantage without an overpowered aim assist, one that borders along the lines of practically being an aim bot. Basically like the master chief collection on PC

[@whydoihavetodothisannoying]

My biggest gripe with it at release was the lack of a traditional PC centric setup menu for it. Having to go back and forth from big picture mode is annoying, doubly so when you are sitting in front of a desktop setup and triply so since this was the time I got my first UHD display and dumb picture mode used to force it back to blown up 1080p every time it plopped up with inputs cutting to black and all that other crap. Now love the steam controller, I'm on my second one yet and I have a cubby full of them from cheap sales to hopefully last me until we get something similar. Just hoping Valve will keep the software support for it alive. The crazy amount of features including wired, 2.4G dedicated dongle and Bluetooth for connection options, the amount of sensors and different analogue inputs like two stage triggers and other features crammed into this and AND they still found a way to have a battery mechanism that doesn't require you to have some kind of hunch bag abomination-sack hanging on the back of the controller. All of this for SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper at launch than the latest iteration of the same tired old trash Microsoft has been doing forever now. Valve has been doing amazing work and put in a lot of effort for gamers and gaming as a whole, including their efforts to rid us from Microsoft's capricious whims by providing more incentives for Linux native games and coming up with a viable "emulation" alternative for playing new Windows native AAA releases on Linux. I never expected much from the likes of Epic but it's kind of telling and immensely disappointing that companies which often like to exaggerate how much they value their consumers, like GOG aren't committed to putting any effort into decoupling us from the possibility of a UWP-only nightmare of an OS.

[@Quikie93]

i LOVE this controller. The aiming is SO much smoother than with a stick - which i've never managed to really "get". The controller is so customizable that even games with dumb bindings are playable. Such a genious device.

[@hammerfall6666]

Agree. SC is the ONLY ONE controller that can play FPS games without turning on aim assist and almost on par with the mouse. Play FPS games on the couch, control just almost like a mouse = heaven. I wish they make another SC in the future.

[@MorseCodeStutters]

Same Ive been using it since release for a whole variety of genres. So many FPS games and 3rd person shooters feel much better with mapping the right track pad as a mouse. The back buttons and the fact that triggers change function based on pressure pressed on them--fuckin love it still love my Steam Controller to this day. I always get cramps in my hands when I try to play K&M and my aim and character movement in Overwatch is always better with my Steam Controller no matter how much I try to adapt to K&M.

[@paladingeorge6098]

"Gaben, finds a way." Just as long as I don't get eaten by a Steamasaurus, I'm gucci.

[@XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD]

I literally had teary eyes at the end since I have my little steam controller he just needs to grow up, some love and patience so he can surpass all the others... ONE DAY!

[@smorty3573]

He already is loved by many but sadly it hasn't sold as much.

[@RexcorJ]

This controller sounds like a hidden gem to me. Having multiple actions on the same button really allows for a lot of mechanics to become present in a given game. My mind goes to beat 'em ups and open world titles where combinations of face buttons lead to different attacks and combo triggers. Doing that with ANY game you like would have blown my mind ten years ago, but now I would think that every developer should try to think of how they could do that... unless you're developing the N64 version of Daikatana.

[@haughtygarbage5848]

"What're you doing?" "...oh"

[@sophialovecraft7894]

I love the controller, I have made some binds that are so comfy for some games. The controller isn't great for everything, but what it does well, it does amazing.

[@orcabeast8006]

For me it’s actually my 2nd favorite video game controller ever! I love all the settings you can mess with!

[@killerguppy2988]

Got one of these when they first came out, as I started getting more into "couch gaming" to replace my 360 PC controller. It's a great controller with so much potential and ability, but that also makes it soooooo overwhelming to use and configure for each and every game.

[@starkfaktory6920]

It does. I even stop playing the game for weeks to configure it, and in the end I love to another game

[@grundlemaster1691]

Seriously beefing up the Controller Config download interface would have done wonders. Giving each config a rich description section which the creator could use to communicate everything - and have that description remain EASILY accessible once the config was downloaded - plus comments from various users, potentially with clickable links to videos, would have been a big help.

[@TylerMcVicker1]

Where the hell is the “I’m not wearing underwear”quote from haha

[@CrackCECKer]

where the hell do *you* come from

[@rippedpixel]

Unexpected Tyler

[@Ricardordz11]

Gabe Newell Mega-Kills Announcer from dota 2 Channel

[@disabledaccount6300]

Make r/unexpectedtyler happen

[@bb010g]

@@goldster100 i don't mind it

[@Tisulan]

I've had a Steam Controller for years, and I've tried it many times, on and off. There are definite advantages to analog controls in some games, and I find them especially helpful in driving games and some third person action games. I've had a lot of issues, however. The Steam Controller's "mouse" input is usually not accurate or precise enough to warrant switching from, say, an aim-assisted joystick in shooter games. In driving games where you often use the right joy stick to turn your camera, the Steam Controller is also lacking, as the movements, while more precise than a joystick, were very jolty, and if you held your thumb on them for more than a second, would be often be very shaky. Generally, I ended up using the mouse for very broad, fast movements, which, really, could have been accomplished by a normal joystick, and using the gyro controls for precision aiming. The gyro controls were actually very, very good and allowed you to make very good, precise adjustments to aiming in a shooter or just simply moving the camera. The issues start to emerge when you have to start moving the controller around more than you are comfortable with, such as when you need to bounce from precise headshot to precise headshot to precise headshot in a shooter. Sometimes, I would end up with my controller facing a 90 degree angle away from the screen. This did not feel good, but overall, the gyro controls were very nice. I never liked the "d-pad." I never thought that having both a traditional joystick and the sensitive mouse-like joystick/d-pad on the same side of the controller was useful. It felt better to move in a game with the standard joystick, and using the d-pad exclusively as a d-pad was worse than a traditional d-pad since it was so big and required much more thumb movement. This is particularly bad for me as I have baby hands. The clicking feedback also didn't feel as nice as a traditional controller's, and it required much more force to click down. I liked all of the shoulder buttons - even the strange, underneath shoulder buttons. This should become standard on all controllers as it allows easily allows more inputs to be mapped to a controller. Some games on a controller are overcrowded with different controls and context-sensitive functions that they sometimes become confusing. For example, in Half-Life, I liked having one of the underneath shoulder buttons being a jump and another being a crouch - it felt more natural. Probably the BIGGEST overall issue with the Steam Controller is its lack of standardization and the resultant effort has to go into getting it to work comfortably in different games. Grand Theft Auto V, for example, was a nightmare. You'd think that just choosing the "most popular" Steam Controller layout would be fine for most games, but they were almost universally stupid. I don't know how people used them. In GTA, I recall that when I wanted to WALK using a "most popular" layout, I would frequently accidentally start recording the game using some in-game function. How was the layout where you start eating hard drive space whenever you walked the most popular?! Anyway, to create your own layout, you'd have to figure out how you liked to use your Steam Controller. There are many different philosophies in the Steam Controller universe. There are the people who want everything to work as pure, raw, input. There are others who want pure, raw input but no gyro controls. There are others who think that the Steam Controller should just be a clone of a normal controller. Some people think that you should enable gyro controls by holding an aim button. Others think that you should never have to use anything except the mouse-like joysticks and the shoulder buttons, with every relevant control being moved into those control areas. Finally, some people want you to hold the controller with your tongue whilst your eyelashes controlled the joysticks and your nostrils pressed buttons. It was a mess. After some hours of experimenting, you could get a control setup that you would like, but invariably, it would have drawbacks. I put more hours into configuring the Steam Controller than I did actually using it. To me, it doesn't really seen to fulfill its primary purpose - bridging the gap between comfortable, imprecise analog controls and clunky, precise digital controls. The mouse-like joystick will never be as good as a mouse for precision, but it will also never be as smooth or comfortable as a joystick for other purposes. If you're playing a multiplayer first person shooter with the Steam Controller, everyone will kick your ass (even if you get very good at it... as far as I can tell), and if you're playing a racing game against people on a normal controller, everyone will also kick your ass. It's a lose-lose scenario. Its best use case is playing Civilization 5 on a couch, as seen in much of its promotional material. I will note that my opinion on the Steam Controller is subject to change. There are people who seem to have achieved controller enlightenment through the perfect setup and configuration of their Steam Controller for specific games. I have NOT found any such enlightenment, however, and I shall continue to seek it until, inevitably, its drivers are too out-of-dated and unsupported to continue to remain functional.

[@Kylehappy305]

Im sorry i didnt read all of it but im sure you have good points and good comment :3

[@madmax2069]

Oh I 100% agree. The steam controller has its moments, but usually almost always just misses that mark, especially in terms of comfort. I never did enjoy using the gyro on a controller.

[@howarddantes]

Found an important Easter Egg in this vid: When he mentions "sea change" at around 12:04, there's an image of Beck. Amazing. Blew me away.

[@kosskatt5666]

"It's been an absolute sea change in terms of how controllers work on a PC" *shows image of Beck's album 'Sea change'* Yes Beck good yes yes yes really underappreciated artist

[@Bauxitedev]

This controller is an absolute godsend for games that traditionally require a mouse, things like Civ, Factorio, FTL, Papers Please, RimWorld, etc

[@Mernom]

Did you make a config for factorio? I tried to a while back, but then I stopped since using the pad too much causes the thumb to itch.

[@orcabeast8006]

Agreed, for me it actually got me into pc games, I tried before and I'm terrible with keyboard and mouse and the steam controller for me combined the best of both worlds, I could pretty much have mouse and keyboard controls but on a controller. It's impossible for me to play games like War Thunder (which is my most played steam game by far) without the Steam controller, I can map anything to anything, also it feels really nice in the hands, I love how clicky the bumpers are. My only issue is the "D-Pad" it works, but I would much prefer a normal D-Pad. Overall it's my second favorite video game controller of all time, right behind the Xbox 360 controller

[@floppytokey]

Thanks, finally a new video i can throw on the "background noise" playlist. Your voice is really soothing.

[@AL2009man]

10:01 it's a bit of a coincidence that [Nerrel] used Resident Evil 5 and pointed out at the Input Notification switching problem (and Keyboard/Mouse Aiming), and I managed to solve that problem myself and got proper Gyro Aiming working on RE5 PC.

[@4Wilko]

I'm not a gyro controller user myself (though I could use a Switch Pro to try), but do share.

[@AL2009man]

@@4Wilko might as well share my RE5 Gyro Aim vid, which covers on how I got it working. (am thinking about making a Steam Guide for it at some point) Please note that I used Dualshock 4 for this, but it can be possible to get it working by using Keyboard/Mouse Input as a workaround due to Switch Pro Controller lacking Analog Triggers. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIGxf6Woor-IkKc

[@ArlanKels]

Is Gyro proving better than mouse/keyboard?

[@AL2009man]

@@ArlanKels with experience, as close as you can get with Competing with Keyboard/Mouse users.

[@Mug-of-Beans]

After hearing about the Steam Deck, had to bring myself back here to remind myself of Valve's build-quality history on hardware before even thinking about trying for a pre-order.

[@praralexander7561]

The Index has fantastic build quality, so don't take this as a sign of what it will be like.

[@Mug-of-Beans]

@@praralexander7561 That’s true enough. There’s been a lot of bad news going around about the basestations and the knuckles though. I think you’re right, and the build quality of the index itself gives me some faith, but everything else gives me just enough doubt to put my five dollars down to get in line, but then wait and see before I actually purchase.

[@nikkoa.3639]

@@Mug-of-Beans As much as I like valve's design and philosophy, do not pre-order it. Despite how good a company's reputation is, you should always wait for independent reviews for the product

[@CryNhn]

I personally put in a reservation. Whether or not that reservation will be cancelled will be fully dependent on the reviews that come out from the first wave of users. If the product is any promise of what its supposed to be, itll be a great way to get a gaming laptop alternative without dropping an insane amount of money and carrying a home on your back.

[@Mug-of-Beans]

@@nikkoa.3639 Words to live by. I went ahead and put $5 down, but I won’t have the chance to purchase one until late next year probably, which is perfect for me. Plenty of time for people to expose it to regular use and all manner of practical testing. Should have a good idea by then of whether or not to buy in all the way.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

Gyro should have been their primary selling point. With some practice, it works so well, and can allow for mouse like precision. Also I don't personally experience any fatigue with the paddle buttons, and find them quite comfortable. usually tend to use them for common actions over the face buttons. Never noticed anything bad about the build quality either. It seems just as good as any other controller minus maybe the quality of recent PlayStation controllers. I think its real downfall was the lack of polish with control schemes. Default controls for most games feel pretty rough, and usually take a bit of tinkering for each new game. It is not a plug and play experience, and though I don't mind that, most people don't have the patience to learn a new control layout, and deal with setting it up properly for each game. Most people probably just haven't even experienced the steam controller(or any controller) at their best on pc. I truly think with practice, these new controllers can at least be on -par with m&k, but I don't see them becoming mainstream unless the entire industry embraces gyro.

[@naryanr]

I'm still trying to get my hands on a Steam controller. I love weird shit like that. And I love the gyro on my DS4 controller. The one thing I absolutely hate though, is Valve's software. Why *_the hell_* are PC players forced to use a shitty, limited console UI for the most in-depth complex configuration process I've ever gone through?

[@dakat5131]

It's like they thought for some reason only console players would want to use a controller. Despite that I never use BPM for anything except launching games with the controller.

[@JackPorter]

you need big picture mode for the touchpad overlays to show up too. its so silly i cant just launch my games directly

[@annekedebruyn7797]

Probably because they hoped the steamconsole thing took of which it didn't.

[@RandomBrick13]

Would be nice if they could open source their input driver, if only for the Steam controller. I'd like to not touch Big Picture just to get my bindings adjusted

[@mrb692]

I bought one when they were closing out and tried to get Subnautica running. After 15 minutes of fucking about, I gave up and haven’t touched it since.

[@KingMaraxus]

I have one of these, and I still use it when I can. It's great for playing goofy old games that were never meant to be played on a controller, like System Shock 2 or Deus Ex.

[@alynnzz0491]

"I can only hope the official [Metroid Prime] remaster that's been rumored about controls half as well as this." Well, I shall await your verdict.

[@onegrinchyboi4279]

Don’t know why the hollow knight refund joke got me so much, but I started laughing pretty hard.

[@guspauline7460]

Yeah... Joke.

[@mirasderbissalin6040]

short decipher for 4:16 - Valve uses pretty much hobby-grade gyro, I have one of those 6500 somewhere in the box of electronics I don't have use for. Other two (at least according to spec sheets) seem to be more legit

[@Minoz99]

The Steam Controller lives on in the Steam Deck

[@nicholasmacdonald2255]

Nerrel pls keep making more videos I keep on rewatching because I love your style so much

[@rob3r7jr]

I simple love my controller! He's perfect for using as a mouse while streaming to the tv, or playing MMORPG, for TPS the sensibility was perfect, I played MGS 5 almost entirely on the couch with the controller. I'm sad because it didn't had the chance to show how could it could be!

[@jasdanvm3845]

We wanted a Steam Controller 2. They are releasing the Steam Deck. I see this as an absolute win!

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Especially if we consider that they actually made gyro better and used analogs AND trackpads

[@applehazeva2739]

Have one. So much better. Probably the most comfy Handheld Controller ever made

[@ExtraPrivatable]

@@orlandofurioso7329and how good they feel the trackpad feels so awesome to use

[@JainaSoloB312]

I'm so excited to see how the Steam Deck will harness the potential of this controller. This video was already a masterpiece but now? it's ✨Topical✨ and I hope you get lots of support for it in the coming months

[@ulawan5]

The jurassic park angle at the end was adorable and I appreciate it You made some great points and i also appreciate you still putting them out there!

[@HipokritraStudio]

I been trying AimLab and there is something overlook: big advantage of controller is movement (better than keys) and can be used to aim and do little corrections, but the game doesnt let you move. Been still is even harder to aim with the controller. Making the difference between controller and mouse bigger.

[@sodapone]

That difference regarding precision in movement is why controllers are standard for 3D platformers and racing games, even on PC; with those sorts of games movement is extremely important while camera control is mostly irrelevant

[@RageUnchained]

@@sodapone controllers are also great for hack n slash games, beat em ups and fighting games (tho arcade sticks will always be the best input for fighting games when mastered due to their more precise and deliberate nature and high level of customization)

[@saganakist]

I completely agree. I wouldn't discredit fair aiming assistants as well, if done right. There is no reason why it is fundamentally unfair or less fun if your sensitivity is lowered next to a target. At least as long as it is far enough from the target that you can't use it as a magnet.

[@septimustache6359]

@JOS3 I only find movement on stick better in bird's eye view games like enter the gungeon. Your same argument about moving works in the reverse with mouse and keyboard. Using the mouse to look around helps you have precise movements with WASD.

[@septimustache6359]

And before anyone says why should I have to aim to make precise movements on keyboard, why would I have to move to aim precisely on controller?

[@darksnakenerdmaster]

I remember as a young teen that I really wanted to get into PC gaming. I tried to save up for a steam machine but could never get to the $2000 I needed. Later on, I got a cheap PC and managed to find myself a steam controller. Nobody was buying them and I thought it was an amazing device. I've used it ever since, to the point where the sticks visibly worn off, the backing snapped and needed to be glued on, and the wireless is dead. Even though I've never made full use of it's features, I love my steam controller to bits and would appreciate seeing more controllers like it.

[@rsotuyo15]

I am afraid that in the future we become cyber boomers. Imagine Grandson: Playing with a different keyboard layout Us: Man these youngsters and their changes....... OH

[@andrepascoa6687]

Oh man, we really are gonna be like that ain't we..

[@LogisticSleet8]

Back in my day we used nothing but QWERTY!

[@alexdnt2020]

Its their not there

[@smol_white_bat]

@@alexdnt2020 Its, his, hers, theirs; all possessive and do not need apostrophe. Just a reminder.

[@DatBoi-mo9vc]

Aint no son of mine is gonna use dvorak in my house

[@WanderyenErin]

This is so far the best controller experience I've had in life. Thanks, Valve.