Networker motor FAIL

Class 465/9 Networker with failing motor in front carrige.
The front motor would start for a few seconds then cut out, the rear motor was still working but did not have much acceleration on its own. When the train got to a faster speed the front motor would start working again. later on the driver stoped using full acceleration and the motor stoped cutting out.
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[@nelson47845]

there is a difference between the Wheelslide Protection cutting the traction and the Traction 'Dropping out' , the WSP should back the traction off slowly until grip is achieved, traction failing and dropping out will cause a 'jolt/jerk'. the lights you are refering to are H = Heating T = Traction and I = Interference Monitor, although, once the fault light comes on, it should stay on until the unit is switched off, off the traction is 'reset'.

[@algodoomarbleracing]

It’s the traction problem

[@theneutralguy2317]

The class 465 trains sound a lot like the Jubilee Line trains

[@louscr8249]

Yes they do

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

Ah yeah I can see why same noise I suppose

[@Zeeblox]

They use the same motors as the Jubilee Line made by Alstom.

[@UnhingedNarrative]

465/2 465/9 466 and 96 stock all created by MetCam

[@Zeeblox]

@@UnhingedNarrative Which has been taken over by Alstom

[@lner3777]

Love the sound

[@suomalainenhissikuvaaja2004]

Like a: BUUUUM-BUUUUUUU-BUUUUUUUUUUUU-BUUUUUUUU

[@lner3777]

+ElevaFIN GT yeah

[@oscarpitts]

LNER 377 I

[@MatthewK421]

I like the old brush motors on the class 465/1

[@thefatcontroller4094]

I prefer the rare regenerative on the Alsthom ones, what a beautiful sound

[@LiftEnthusiast2020OFFTOPIC]

These trains sound epic

[@jamtart606]

wow this sometimes rarely happens on a class 465

[@oforid2227]

RIP old brush sound and livery

[@meme1millionyearsago673]

No

[@VauxhaIIOpel]

why does the 1996TS sound so cool, can anyone explain

[@MIZUch.]

Why does the motor sound like an F1 car changing gears? Does it actually do this?

[@benolifts]

It is using pulsing patterns. It pulses out an AC wave for the motor. One transistor for positive pulses, one for negative. It has 3 phases, so 6 transistors in total. The sound is caused by the way it is programmed. It is the pulsing frequency that makes the sound NOT the output frequency. It is programmed the old fashioned way of pulsing patterns. As it speeds up it switches to new less accurate patterns to stop the pulsing frequency getting too high. If the pulsing frequency is too high then the transistors won't do a clean on off switch, this means they will be a half open switch which is a resistor, which will cause them to overheat and blow up. Modern trains use a fixed pulsing frequency and change the amount of pulse to generate an AC wave.

[@MIZUch.]

Thanks! :D

[@daredevil3744]

Beno Lifts its also the same thing with the Class 395 Javelin.

[@DurandalDxD]

Ikr that's why I love the Class 465 so much

[@trevorphilips9368]

Just like the virm in the Nederlands this one uses pulses too

[@mateksyマテクスウ]

GEC Alstom motors (only motors without inverter sound!) are very unique! They sound as similar as Japanese and you can conclude that the gear ratio is 15:X.

[@mrhaggit]

ouch! thats nasty sound!

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

It does sound nasty with that banging like this

[@europeantransporttv212]

no its not failing motors, its just wheel slip. Nothing major

[@stearmaster6.756]

This happened to me on a class 465/2

[@popcat6438]

0:24 Motor: hi

[@cryptofierce7431]

0:59 bye

[@Cazkumali]

@benobve The 465/9s are 901-934 but they used to be 465/2s 201-234

[@RDL1984]

Wow, very rare this fact! Does it happen when departing stations on Jubilee Line LT1996 trains if weather's raining or snowing?

[@elitetwistyy9735]

Diego S. R. Don’t think so, it’s probably just a fault with the fuses in the SouthEastern engine, not the type of engine. Sorry for being 7 years late!

[@class317]

eLiTE Twistyy “engine” this is an electric train

[@NXEAFrenchie]

@@elitetwistyy9735 class 465/9 Alstom metrocamell GTOs

[@Crystal-no2zn]

@@elitetwistyy9735 Nope it's wheelslip mate.

[@AndrewG1989]

Traction motor having a fit at the beginning. No wonder some of the Class 465s have got new traction motors whilst the rest of the Class 465s and Class 466s still have the old ones.

[@bb-3653]

This isn't the same as the traction motors you are reffering to. The traction packages that got replaced were the /1 and /0s , the motors are still there but different system. The motors In this video are still on every variant of the /2 and /9 units, the alstom 465s. They seem to be oretty reliable alot of the time.

[@ollie-jkiubn]

0:59 hell starts

[@meme1millionyearsago673]

Thqt needs fixing

[@sweetlyxofficialchannel]

I was on a southeastern train before and I heard a weird slip sound from the train and I didn't notice the red light

[@benlangford2003]

Jay rap an f2003 Ferrari at that

[@jayrap94]

Sounds similar to an F1 car :D

[@BR75069]

at 0:59 the traction motor didn't sound good, needs replacing i bet.

[@bb-3653]

Nothing to do with that, if anything its probably working fine as its doing its job in wet weather,

[@OofBerry1]

BB- it’s not wsp

[@bb-3653]

@Solomon Clarke fam this is a 2 yr old comment lol.

[@ronanodriscoll24]

Did you feel a slight bump and trash when the motor suddenly cut out when starting up

[@benolifts]

Ronan Odriscoll yes

[@the486kgman2]

Ronan Odriscoll yes. Cuz it’s trash

[@Drone3774]

BigBarry Islands you calling my G 465 trash You wanna focking go m8

[@badboiant29]

@benobve thanks :)

[@williamhuang8309]

2:24 the signal is at danger? Or is the driver doing a shunting move coz there appears to be an illuminated shunt signal, but you can't really tell coz it's a bit blurry

[@cleiabr]

No, I think its the anti-slip system because its raining

[@trainman86trainstramsandmore]

1:13 That whirr though- that motor REALLY dosent sound well

[@trainman86trainstramsandmore]

@@ArchiezAviation yeah same

[@matthewjones9259]

We get that a lot on the tube

[@kabelodpilota8558]

0:59 the sound didnt sound good

[@meme1millionyearsago673]

Aaah can we get the engineer

[@bigbazzaRUFC]

This train is the service to gillingham.

[@rhan7177]

I see thanks for understanding me

[@flintytheraccbold]

I went on a Mersey rail train in Liverpool with motor problems

[@roadwolf2]

It made some shocking noises didn't it

[@generalelectricmotor9084]

I wonder when they will service that traction motor

[@Jefferson1228]

What number was this 465/9?

[@thetraincrazykid]

Joel Zimmerman 465923

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

465923 is the number of that unit that has the traction motor cut off everytime it slips

[@TakoElevators]

The motor cutoff caused the camera to shake

[@HSTHoward]

its becasue its in the rain, there crap in the rain

[@awesometrainsandbuses]

And they still do it to this day after been refurbished

[@LiftEnthusiast2020OFFTOPIC]

I love it

[@realfrowz]

I love the 465 trains

[@user-qu7zh6pt1g]

This is a class 465/466. Right Beno?

[@HDTransport]

A class 465

[@bb-3653]

465 9..usually they have orange bars inside

[@aldertravels]

@@bb-3653 Yeah, a Class 465 (9 variant)

[@awesometrainsandbuses]

@@bb-3653 and they are also fitted with first class

[@oforid2227]

They're sill around but in new livery

[@oforid2227]

RIP yellows what about the 465/0 I think its 465048

[@oforid2227]

The one with that wierd motor sound

[@oforid2227]

@Tammer TheOfficialHD crap 465048 has that new Hitachi motor or whatever it's called

[@oforid2227]

@Tammer TheOfficialHD yh but it has that Hitachi one whatever it is now

[@oforid2227]

RIP 😶😶😭😭

[@qp5448]

Sounds like it applyed brakes.

[@dngunder]

Where was this?

[@benolifts]

Bromley to Gillingham

[@dngunder]

what's the train number

[@dngunder]

Ben

[@benolifts]

gutteboy don't know

[@dngunder]

*****Every train have a train number. If you go out and look down under the door

[@nothisispatrick5725]

The thing that cuts the power of is wsp i think im right

[@meme1millionyearsago673]

Yes

[@rhan7177]

Class465/9 wasn't going fast it was going slow to make sure that there is no broken down wheel

[@benolifts]

nope, it was going slow as the fuse kept tripping on one of the motors at full power. Even at mid power it kept tripping.

[@popcat6438]

@@benolifts Wheel slip protection

[@badboiant29]

what does the red light mean?

[@KPTHR3]

Anthony Eleftheriou wheel slide. I think

[@flintytheraccbold]

It means traction cutout

[@masonngo6649]

The traction motors couldn't get traction. probably just Wheelslip protection at work

[@oforid2227]

But slowly losing the engine

[@flintytheraccbold]

It's electric

[@ScottishTravel]

its because of wheel slip protection

[@Trainboyhaha]

That is the wsp or the ABS

[@benolifts]

It is because VFOK tripped out due to a fault detected in the VF drive. The wheelsip system would not cut the VF for this long because all VFs cut in the train for this long the train would effectively be stalled. Wheelslip protection reduces the power or cuts power in a controlled way until the wheelslip has stopped. But what is seen in this video is a full trip out of VFOK usually due to overcurrent or overheat. Most likely because a component went bad in the VF drive.

[@MarcCarlessProductions]

hmm they should take it out of servis if it ids doing that

[@thetraincrazykid]

Marc Carless Productions It's normal

[@tr_nt.]

I'm pretty sure it's wheelsliping.

[@meme1millionyearsago673]

WSP wheel slip protection

[@riverhuntingdon6659]

We always called these plastic successors to the EPB/HAP fleet "Notworkers" - glad to see they're still as unreliable as ever ! Privateering Pirates South Eastern won't have helped either, just like Southern, all ex - Connex by the way, just an even naffer paint scheme and even worse staff relations,( if that's possible! ) " Thrash it to death, do no maintenance " then "Oh dear, it's broken " Now we must blame somebody else it's not our fault etc. Please mind the gap between the timetable and reality...SO glad I'm retired.

[@benolifts]

Staff on Southeastern are always unfriendly. The trains are unclean. The timetables are slower than what the trains are capable of. The Javelin is the only train they look after, but they charge extra for it.

[@riverhuntingdon6659]

Most of the staff don't give a hoot now sad to say and are only there for the money. Not like my generation who mostly still had an idea that we were providing a service. We were despised by the "bright young things" the privateers put in charge as being old BR dinosaurs set in our ways. All I know is we NEVER stopped running trains FOR DAYS ON END due to snow then. Nowadays, it snows, the whole lot stops. The rot started with Connex, filthy bogs and dilapidated trains. Then it got worse under SET or whatever they call Connex now. Same incompetent arse-licking management, different paint scheme, if you could call it a paintscheme. Those Javelin things are spartan uncomfortable heaps that cannot hold a candle to the luxurious accomodation on an EPB ! So glad I'm retired and have nothing whatsoever to do with trains now. Towards the end it was embarrassing.

[@riverhuntingdon6659]

We had some 365's on the Southern Region at first, they were painted in a modified blue/yellow/white from memory. They all disappeared when it was realised that they were out of gauge on most SR routes. Still running now I think north of the river, no doubt with 3rd rail equipment removed. I did hear that Connex thought they'd be able to run them through the Chunnel, along with the plastic 375 things, but were told NO ! The 323's had a terrible reputation too, it was the old Beyer Peacock firm built them wasn't it (?) with "Holec" electrics. The Dutch EMU sets with that were unceremoniously scrapped after a pityfully short life. The 323's, as you know, live on ! Not a patch on the old units we had mind. Souless plastic perambulators. Give me a phase 1 CIG any day. Glad I'm retired LOL.

[@elitetwistyy9735]

Notworker XD

[@awesometrainsandbuses]

Class 465s are the best trains ever, it's unfortunate SE don't look after them properly, sure they recently refurbished them, but a bit of a clean could still work

[@williamhuang8309]

Southeastern?

[@MorganTheTimeLord]

Yes

[@ACTractionLTD]

Red light means track circuit actuator fault ;)

[@flintytheraccbold]

I thought it meant traction cutout

[@kieranharvey4576]

@@flintytheraccbold Traction fault, they are fault lights. @ACTractionLTD a train cannot detect track circuit issues.

[@meme1millionyearsago673]

@@kieranharvey4576 yeah

[@oforid2227]

Yellow

[@neilcicieregaarmy]

I see a red light up there 0:14 1:01

[@EnchantGaming2003]

Yep. That is the motor status panel. If it is red the motor has a problem.

[@popcat6438]

@@EnchantGaming2003 no that's wsp Wheel slip protection

[@insertnewchannelnamehere739]

Omg Networker, Only 2 hours of fortnite every evening

[@meme1millionyearsago673]

Wheeeeeeelslip

[@transportfromolly]

LOL

[@thefatcontroller4094]

Southeastern are awful, they only care about the 375 and the 395, and the 465s and 466s are just left to rust, they were perfectly fine units in the Network Southeast Days, but when Connex took over the 465s started to be ignored when the 375 came out "because it's new" Connex is a train operator from Hell, but when South Eastern Trains took over it got slightly better but still not good, The livery is nice but the staff aren't, and this is when the 465s started to 'rust', why can't they make it so the sound doesn't break while in the rain, then comes Southeastern, they have now got the 395 and is only what Southeastern now care about, the 375 is still looked after but not much, and now their 465s are catching fire, they also got rid of the amazing brush motor on the 465/0 and 465/1s, although Southeastern are bad, Southern is worse than Connex, they are always late and cancelled and love to go on strike, they don't care about the 456s so they gave them to South West Trains, but not even they can look after an old Multiple Unit, same with the 455s, they make them rubbish bins on rails, Thameslink also hates old EMUs, 319s weren't looked after much so they were stored and given to northern which Trainspotters up north only really care about along with Virgin trains, Cross Country, Transpennine Express and Merseyrail which stole Southeasterns 508s, although for a reason, along with the 465, the 508 was never ever looked after, they were heavily filthy and grotty, because it is owned by Southeastern, Thameslink replaced the 319s with those dull 700s, although the Pendolino is duller, no sound, slow acceleration and overall very boring. Now Southeastern are planning to scrap the 466 because the 375/3s stole their jobs because of Southeastern's shit timetable changes, they stopped the 465 for going to Canterbury West and Ashford International, and replaced them with those dirty 377s with Toxic southern Interior, I think I prefer the boring Southeastern blue 375 interior #Bringbackbritishrail #Bringbacknetworksoutheast

[@thefatcontroller4094]

You're right, although the old brush motors were my favourite motors for those networkers, Hitachi is better, and made them live longer

[@thefatcontroller4094]

But then again, a 466 caught fire once

[@thefatcontroller4094]

Tbh, If Southeastern gave them a refurbishment, they could've been able to run longer, like maybe the 466s could've had their motor equipment changed like the 465/0 and 465/1s