Neural DSP Morgan vs Tone King amp sim shootout

[@patrickmonvignier4160]

I was hoping for this video and you did it. Thank you! I think both sims sound great!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

I'm glad you like it! They are definitely both very good. Thanks for watching and I appreciate the comment 👍

[@AdamStachelek]

Great presentation on this comparison. Lots of detail here and to the point. A/B comparisons are really well done. I have the Tone King and Plini X but in the end I'm probably gonna grab this one too. For the price it's an insane amount of options of variation. Sometimes I like to multitrack layered guitars using a very paltry guitar collection, and having the amp variation would certainly help with the layering. Subbed and liked. You had me on your first Tone King video!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Thank you Adam! I also often like using varied sounds (different amps and/or guitars) when multitracking guitars. Makes things bigger and wider. These are both definitely worth picking up and Neural DSP typically do and Anniversary sale soon with 50% off! Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment 👍

[@JoseLuRu]

Waiting for Tone King X (I still need to try the Morgan Suite)

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Yeah, definitely looking forward to updates! Definitely give the Morgan a try with the free trial. Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment 👍

[@david_farmer]

Cool video showcasing the comparisons. I have them both but can hear the differences in your video better than when I'm playing. :) I've been digging the Tone King for a while now. The Morgan is great too and this video shows how Neural has effectively created a diverse set here and we really "need" both!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

They definitely did a really good job of giving us more tone options. Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment 👍

[@XDflight]

Thanks for the comparison! I have been using Tone King for a year for many of my recordings, and to me it sounds pretty good! I am glad that now we have more choices when coming to vintage and clean guitar sounds. :)

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

I agree, it's nice to see Neural DSP expanding the classic and vintage options. Do you use any other amp sims besides the Tone King?

[@WillemStrandberg]

Thanks for this! It is indeed hard to pick a favorite. I liked the Tone King for the cleans, the compressed, and the reverb (not to mention that lovely chorus), and the Morgan sounded better for the overdrive and the delay. Both sounded killer!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Like you said, both are great! Neural DSP should be running their anniversary sale soon, so may be worth just getting both! 😅 Thanks for watching and appreciate you sharing your opinion 👍

[@carloswhomusic]

MORGAN = my new go-to amp sim for everything, including all 2024 KZbin videos! Fantastic! Thanks !!!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

The Morgan is really good. Thanks for watching 👍

[@mikekratochwill4195]

Great comparison! I had a hard time deciding so I opted for both! I have a real life Tone King so that seemed like a no brainer but the Morgan Suite is really awesome too.

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

They are both really good! That’s awesome that you have a real Tone King! That’s on my “dream amp” list. How do you feel the amp sim compares to the real one?

[@mikekratochwill4195]

@@DadRockAndGuitars I downloaded the free trial first. Initially, I was a bit disappointed because the real TK had much more headroom than the Neural TK. Then I started playing around with the input to get it to react more like a real Tone King amp. They compare fairly well, though I have to say that my TK experience is with the Meteor and Metropolitan models and both might be a bit more mid-focused than the Imperial that Neural is modeling. But still, very convincing recorded tones!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

@@mikekratochwill4195 Very cool! I've heard people say that the real one has more headroom. But like you said you did, I just turn down the input and get plenty of headroom. I find that I pull the input down a bit on most amp sims. Thanks for watching and the additional insights. 👍

[@SupaMarioJCS]

Got Tone King recently and use that for my HipHop/R&B/Neo-Soul productions Morgan just a tidy tad too crunchy for me! Great vid!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

I could definitely see the Tone King being good for that. The Cory Wong and Mateus Asato amp sims might be great as well. Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment 👍

[@Illiyinmusic]

It depends on which amp you prefer. They're both very true to the actual amps. Edge of breakup for sure morgan. Cleans with a great reverb. The tone king is really bass heavy though before EQing

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Agreed - Both really good, but different. The bass on the Tone King can definitely build up a bit. Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment!

[@thomasfokas]

I haven’t played through either, but trying to decide which one to get during the Black Friday sale. Leaning towards the Morgan. I use my Fractal for just about everything but would like to have a few clean amps for my new M4 MacBook Pro.

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

The Morgan Amp Suite is really good! If you're not sure, definitely do the free trial and see which you prefer. Congrats on the new M4! I've had a base model MB Pro M3 for about 6 months and it's been excellent!

[@thomasfokas]

@ Excellent. By the way, have you checked out any of the ML Sound Lab amps? Very cool stuff that definitely rivals the Neural DSP amps, especially the Flagship (Friedman suite).

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

@@thomasfokas The ML Sound Lab stuff is really good too! I have the ML800 and the Amped Roots. I've tried and liked a lot of their other amp sims, but haven't tried the Flagship yet. Probably need to do that ha ha!

[@a.j.schuler6785]

I have both and yet I don't see those presents in my menus. Did you make them?

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

I did make those for this video. Nothing particularly special about them. They just made it easier for me to go back to the same thing while recording if needed.

[@lippi2171]

I'm planning to buy the Morgan because it seems to have the most advanced and impressive cleans and is also capable of some old school heaviness (maybe new school too?)

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

There are a lot of great tones in the Morgan! Kind of nice to have great cleans from 3 different amps. One of my favorite tones though is cranking up the the gain on the SW50R. It can get some nice rock tones and even get pretty "sludgy". Lots of fun! Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment 👍

[@DoxTorRent]

hard to decision so buy them all

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

That is certainly a reasonable option! Ha ha! Do you have any favorites that you use?

[@TrevorrNourse]

Both great plugins. Nice review, great work!!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Can't go wrong with either or both! Thanks for watching 👍

[@gratefulmusicsound8337]

I subscribe to your channel cause the name, What an inspired name! Without finishing the video. Hope your channel more success, cheers!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Thank you very much! Appreciate the sub and comment. 👍

[@6oundStudio]

technically Archetype Cory Wong was the first classic vintage thing that NDSP released. but morgan and tone king are my favourites as well

[@lowellhall7927]

I loved the Morgan Suite, didn’t care much for the Tone King. If you are a dad rocker have you ever tried the Marshall Suite from Softube? Probably the best vintage amp sim I’ve heard

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

I haven't tried the entire Marshall Suite, but I did get the Marshall Plexi Classic for free as part of the software bundle that came with my UA Volt 2 interface. It does sound really good! It has limitations in that there's only an SM57 mic option, but it's still really good. I may look into the full suite. I have the ML800 from ML Sound Lab and that's really good too. Thanks for watching 👍

[@Zafersernikli]

I watched loads of Neural DSP videos before purchasing one of these little boyz. I only wanted a good solid amp but these pedals also sound phenomenal. The only issue I have with them is that, they don’t seem to be replaceable in the signal chain. I use my pedals in a kind of experimental way: put some time based stuff and phaser upfront, then drive, then compression, then modulation and other time based things. As far as I understand from all the videos, the signal chain is static. It would be much more useful if the signal chain was more dynamic, allowing pedals to move around and also allowing external pedals to join the party between the pedals. If Neural DSP is supposed to be a professional recording and performance suite, this kind of flexibility seems like a must to me if the pedals are gonna be used.

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Yeah, unfortunately you can't move the pedals around in the software. That would be cool if you could! If you're using the amp sim as a plugin in recording software, you could add an another instance of the amp sim right before your main one, and turn off everything but the time based pedals in the new instance. That would effectively give you what you're looking for.

[@Zafersernikli]

@@DadRockAndGuitarsDo you know whether the latency drops when the amp is disabled, cuz if more than one instance of the plugin is chained, the 6ms latency would be multiplied and become noticeable I suppose.

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

@@Zafersernikli I'm not sure if it technically reduces the latency when components are turned off, but I haven't had any noticeable added latency when I've tried this. I'd say it's worth trying with your setup and seeing if you feel a difference or not.

[@Zafersernikli]

Thank you for your reply! I’ll give it a try and give update under this comment.

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

@@Zafersernikli Sure thing. Looking forward to hearing how it works for you 👍

[@Everrrrr]

Im here for the clean sounds and the sparkle from the Morgan amps takes the cake. But I perfer the distortion on the Tone King waaaay more than the Morgan. I thought the 2nd Morgan sounded alright for distortion.

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Yeah, if you're looking for sparkling cleans, then the Morgan is probably the one to go for. The Tone King has great cleans too, but not quite as "sparkly". It's a great time to pick one up! Thanks for watching 👍

[@jann_rygh]

tried the Morgan Amp Suite....liked it more than ToneKing but when I played thru Plini X - I just knew I don't need Morgans - The Cleans and Breakups on Plini are just fantastic 🔥

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Wow! I haven't the Plini X yet. May have to check it out the cleans and breakups. What style do you typically play?

[@jann_rygh]

@@DadRockAndGuitars right now Metal 😂 but when I play Cleans on my Strats, I just noodle around and enjoy the High-Resolution of every frequency - you GOT to try Plini X RN!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Strat cleans are great - especially that neck pickup. Will definitely give Plini X a try. Thanks@@jann_rygh 👍

[@aaronpeipert]

That AC20 sounds so good

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Yeah it does! They just started their 50% off sale so great time to pick it up. Thanks for watching 👍

[@frankcrack777]

For me Tone King is still the king! I love it.

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

The Tone King is really good! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts 👍

[@raadi5939]

If morgan amp suite has chorus in it then im sold but...

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Yeah, unfortunately the Morgan Amps Suite doesn't have chorus. Not sure why. Seems like it'd fit with the goal of the amp sim. If you play it as a plugin inside recording software like Pro Tools, Studio One, Luna, etc. then you could add chorus after it. Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment 👍

[@keeprocking3620]

Love that sparkle to the Morgan tone

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

The Morgan is really good! Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment!

[@keeprocking3620]

My pleasure, good sir, keep 'em coming

[@glennmattison3180]

just need a Tweed plugin now.

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

The Lead channel on the Tone King is supposed to fall into that Tweed area, but yeah, a dedicated Tweed plugin would be amazing! I’m a big fan of Tweed tones 👍

[@josuastangl7140]

The clean amp in the Archetype Rabea plugin is a Tweed!

[@tomaa3522]

No chorus ? That made it easy

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Yeah, seems like a chorus would have been a natural and easy add to the Morgan Amps Suite. A lot of their other plugins have one. It's still a great sounding plugin though. Thanks for watching 👍

[@wce74wce15]

yup. you get can get same sound out of each

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Yeah, they aren't night and day difference from each other. Did you prefer the features of one over the other?

[@jc5512]

I really disagree about the tone king trem. I found that and the reverb unimpressive. In the box I far prefer the arturia spring reverb and soundtoys tremolator. I have princeton reverb and can get much closer to its sound by combining these plugins.

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

Arturia and Soundtoys make nice plugins. I'm sure that sounds great! Have you checked out the Pulsar Audio Primavera Spring Reverb? It has a lot of cool features.

[@TheOhioConnection]

Still the King!!!

[@DadRockAndGuitars]

The Tone King is great! Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment! 👍

[@thomasfokas]

I haven’t played through either, but trying to decide which one to get during the Black Friday sale. Leaning towards the Morgan. I use my Fractal for just about everything but would like to have a few clean amps for my new M4 MacBook Pro.