Neuvillette Ruined Abyss

[@kri1ndawn440]

Unrelated but the curse of Zajeff is real, we got massive Emilie buffs

[@sudiptaday7875]

Really can he hate everything now

[@Sai-sg2fx]

Who’s we

[@Yelan-n8d]

What are the buffs? Can anyone care to explain?

[@faicalaba6934]

​@@Yelan-n8d iirc she doesnt nerf her own spread damage anymore

[@CreationsFlare]

I'd say that but was he even excited for Sigewinne?

[@highwaytoheaven99]

If Abyss resets had names, this one would be "F*ck everyone who doesn't have Neuvilette"

[@randomone800]

i did second half with noelle furina xinq and yelan barely tho.

[@явтрауресмеюсь]

But i have childe

[@KHFreack]

dont have neuvi,anyone with yelan xingqiu or furina kokomi wont have any issues anyways,people just overblow things as always. any team that can use 2 hydros on the 2nd half and a unit with enough int res/shields wont have any trouble.

[@diazpramudita5165]

Fuck everyone who only have Barbara as hydro unit. No Neuvillette but using XQ + any 1 or 2 hydro can take care of 2nd side.

[@ancalyme]

Neuvillette alone will have trouble with the lectors, you need both him and Furina

[@bighat8794]

From dps check to Neuvillette check. Trully the endgame we asked for 👏

[@dnoyrnoptere3499]

So all people without Neuvillette can be happy? XD

[@lewsee5562]

It's the x.7 Abyss curse. Iirc, 3.7 Abyss is a Nahida check (she had 98% usage rate on that Abyss lmao)

[@freshlymemed5680]

​@@lewsee5562 it was less Nahida check and more Dendro check. Dendro just stupid good and Nahida was the best support for it, still kind of is but other chars like Yaoyao, DMC, and Baizhu also do well. Its just that C2 Nahida and her overall ease of use made her the most popular pick.

[@yomamafat1014]

Not really. I still 36 starred in one go with Arlecchino in first half and Hu Tao in second half.

[@zakariamimouni279]

@@yomamafat1014 it's more of a heavy Hydro app check, am guessing you used XQ + Yelan with Hu Tao?

[@apleb7605]

I remember after clearing the Abyss Lectors in Chamber 1, I was like “ok, next chamber”, then got confused when it didn’t end and to my horror, I realized there was one more wave of enemies.

[@ShinySwalot]

Nothing hurts as much as struggling with 12-1 and then seeing Zajef easily clear it in time with roughly the same teams you have

[@sudiptaday7875]

It's a device and ping issue maybe or just dogshit build

[@ShinySwalot]

​@@sudiptaday7875nah my builds and ping are fine too really good I just suck at the game lol

[@pyronado4320]

I was trying quickbloom and neuvi as well and couldn't clear because my ping was 350 today I tried with 190ish ping and cleared with a difference of 15 seconds

[@RafaelCDinardi]

I couldn't clear 12-1 with clorinde top half because she demands furina nahida

[@None38389]

@@RafaelCDinardi I had a smooth clear with Clorinde top half with Kazuha/Fischl/Baizhu. TF set helped a lot, allowed me to clear 2 waves per rotation.

[@skylite21]

Neuvi powerwalks through this abyss like he owns the place.

[@feelshowdy]

There are 12 hydro units in Genshin. 9 of them are 5-stars. Excluding Mona, 8 of those are limited. If you need 2-3+ hydros for an abyss, you're forced to pull 1-2 limited 5-star hydros and required to use Xingqiu unless you pulled even more limited 5-star hydros.

[@Arlingtonbiz]

Or pull whatever you want, invest in it enough, slap any hydro unit and just bruteforce it.

[@r.d.6290]

Funny how people talk about this only now. Ever since I started playing I knew that the situation with Hydro units in this game is atrocious.

[@bootstrap925]

lets not forget some hydro 5 stars, not gonna name any names (COUGH COUGH SIGEWINNE), would be fucking useless here

[@Blissteen_BB]

so glad i unconsciously became a hydro main the moment i started the game

[@vero1036]

i think people see it as "hard" in a way that this is a big hydro check and most of the hydro units are 5 stars. i cleared this abyss with kokomi taser

[@worm6660]

Can I have your teams and builds?

[@ryoujiarisato7308]

based

[@vero1036]

@@worm6660 kokomi, xingqiu, kazuha and fischl. nothing special with the builds tbh just clam on kokomi and standard builds for the rest. my first half was scara, c6 faru, thoma and bennett if you're curious

[@agzane268]

It took every hydro unit I had, but I did beat it without neuvilette. (C1 ayato taser and nahida hyperbloom). Honestly without c1 ayato it would've been impossible

[@markusbrendon]

Yelan saying the fun is over just after zej talking about it was gold

[@aidenwrath1402]

If only the Pyro Lectors (and all of the Heralds of their ilk tbh) weren’t so incredibly cringe with their massive shields lmao. They’re by far the biggest “do you have this character” matchup check in the game and Abyss would be so much better off without them

[@mormegil84]

Lectors and Heralds are the worst. I especially hate the ones that jump around incessantly.

[@aidenwrath1402]

@@mormegil84it’s especially bad since they almost always come in a pair/trio now. Not only does it mean you need a lot of element, but it needs to be AoE too and so few characters actually have both along with enough damage to not time out

[@idkhelp4354]

They wouldn't be if you could just murder them in the transition but I guess they have to make abyss enemies look threatening somehow.

[@Ivy-jq6di]

Yeah it really doesn't help that most hydro characters are 5 stars

[@None38389]

Lucky to be an Ayato main this time around, shredded those shields like butter.

[@seunabe4612]

For me, this chambers 2 & 3 were very easy, but chamber 1 was literally hell on earth

[@dshearwf]

same, my butt was prepared after banging at 12-1 for a solid hour only to breeze through the remainder with no sweat at all :D

[@starvingamnesier]

yep, i have the same teams as zajef's (except i don't have yelan so i slap fishl in the team), and i finished the 1 floor at exactly 7:00 probably skill or build issue idk, but i never had such problems with this team, like at all

[@mangoshakies]

True man. Its not easier because they made the enemies spawn in different waves 💀

[@alexeystarkov7504]

For literally everybody bro.

[@phoenixlau]

When people say "hard", there's two different types of hard. There is DPS check hard. And then there is mechanically hard, where you have to execute properly or die/miss your damage window. 4.7 Abyss is mechanically easy, there is literally nothing here that is on the same threat level as lector freeze/National or consecrated beast ganban, or strict windows of Wenut. So as long as you DO meet the DPS check (which has never been a particularly high gatekeeper in previous Abyss either), it will feel easy, whereas if you don't it will feel impossible.

[@itsargenta]

yeah, the hardest abyss is still 3.7. you got abyss freeze first half and two waves of tanky ass consecrated beasts on the other half. it's not just the dps check anymore. it's pure genuine malding from being ragdolled all over the place. that abyss scared me that i thought i was going to struggle this abyss when i saw consecrated beasts in the line up but i guess they weren't as tanky as before?

[@phoenixlau]

@@itsargenta The red one by itself is just not as dangerous as blue + green combined, since the assault is not as sustained nor pushes you around as much. Also, green + blue specifically is anti-Bennett which messes up a lot of accounts that don't have deeper bench to work around it. If you look at earlier 3.x Abysses with red + purple combined, it just wasn't on the same level, i.e. nobody really feels any kind of way about those floors.

[@la_dose5206]

@@itsargenta It's one at a time

[@Axterix13]

Eh, a set up not being Benny friendly doesn't make it mechanically hard. Consecrated beasts were a bit chaotic, but that was all. Wenut is about as simple as an enemy gets... no time to set up, so just rotate through DPS types. People weren't ready for it the first time, but the next time it appeared, people breezed through it.

[@phoenixlau]

@@Axterix13 People breezed through Wenut return because it was in chamber 1, not chamber 3, so was significantly less tanky therefore allowing for sloppy play/rotation. The challenge of the original version was that you had exactly two cycles to fit your DPS in, so if you randomly "just rotate through" with "no set up" then you'd have a bad time, whereas if you learned the pop-up pattern and pre-buffered your setup to maximize damage window, you could clear.

[@ABC-yj6cy]

It's just another Tuesday for neuvillette mains

[@nekurovt]

I'd say the hardest is the consecrated beast era. but yes this has been the hardest in terms of the most recent one

[@FayinKay]

I can't even remember the teams I used in that era, I have long banished that memory into the abyss.

[@canaldecasta]

Maybe the records will tell you. It's been a long time since I was able to clear with Xinyan as the main focus

[@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters]

@@canaldecasta At least it is still possible to clear with Noelle. When there is not an Element check, that is. I was chilling with my Noelle Furina team until the Pyro Abyss Longbois appeared and that was the moment I knew I fuckd up.

[@minatol2713]

I agree. My friend also told me this abyss is the hardest. So i decided to not use any OP characters like Neuvilette or Arlecchino : I couldn't 36 stars it. When i had enough i switched to Arlecchino first and Neuvilette second i finished it in like 2 minutes 😂 so yeah, it's a pure DPS check

[@dnoyrnoptere3499]

I will have to do without them, i dont have them lol. But I hope I can still do them with my 4* teams, its part of the fun to me. I dont want to loose it =(

[@Abrigat]

I wanted to showcase my good artifacts and understanding of the game's mechanisms by not using furina + neuvillete on second half... Then, I learned that a wise man is also one who knows when to admit that neuvillete+furina carry his account.

[@minatol2713]

​@@dnoyrnoptere3499I couldn't 36 stars it using "fun characters". I tried tho... The only 2 characters who were capable of getting easy 36 stars for me were Neuvilette and Arlecchino.

[@utaita8214]

Well that's kinda crazy considering that everything I've tried cleared without problems.

[@SageRuffin]

I used Cyno Quickbloom (Cyno/Candace/Nahida/Shinobu) in the front and Raiden Taser (Raide/Furina/Yelan/Jean) in the back. 12-2 and 12-3 were fine, but man 12-1 was _rough._ This definitely felt like one of those lineups where if you don't have the "proper" character(s), you're gonna have a bad time.

[@baconeko]

you are an actual madlad for using cyno 12-1 xD that multiwave chamber felt so ass when i tried because i ended NAing on nahida half the time, i just ended up playing hyperbloom

[@chyndrwub]

@@baconeko i also used cyno, nahi, kazuha, xq and it was rough but managed to clear 12-1 lol. Couldnt clear it with a healer so i changed it to kazuha 💀 Was clearing with cyno for 2min and neu team for 1 min lmao

[@Marcosmapf]

Whales are insane, this abyss is super difficult if you don't have neuvilette or have a high vertical investment in two very specific teams, this abyss was a huge dps check

[@utaita8214]

🧢💀

[@sev559]

Furina + X hydro or classic double hydro in general literally takes care of second half Are y’all new players or something

[@utaita8214]

@@sev559 i Just did it with my wrio and xinqiu C6, 2 man team clearing in time 😅

[@luminous3558]

@@sev559 a lot of people are. Abyss requiring fully built teams means its mostly inaccessable for accounts that havent grinded for 6 months and focused on good units.

[@Links-ghost]

Basic ass Raiden hyperbloom is "more fun" than Chlorinde... I really don't understand what he even considers fun. I would've assumed that normal attacking on Nahida would be less fun that normal attacking on Chlorinde. Like I'm genuinely confused. Guess he prefers mashing the button to holding

[@alexownn382]

I think we all should get used to Zajeff L takes to everything that isn’t a theorycrafting.

[@izeik]

this abyss is easy tech-wise but its hardest as a DPS check imho

[@windiersinger1217]

Did this man really just say Clorinde is less fun than a standard hyperbloom team? The less damage thing doesn’t really matter as I was able to clear the abyss with Clorinde (on Skyward build) super easily. But less fun than a spam nahida NA hyperbloom build? Really?

[@glitched_matrix44]

One of the worst takes I've heard yeah 😂 It's totally not like hyperbloom has the biggest floor in the game and better than most hypercarry clueless, and fun huh, Idk about that chief

[@ヴァイス-m2p]

Yeah I usually agree with his takes but that take was one of the ones that i don't agree with. I don't understand why he would think classic hyperbloom is more fun than Clorinde lol.

[@lighty2884]

He has L takes in everything that isn't theorycrafting. Get used to it dude XD

[@sev559]

Fun is subjective and he just doesn’t enjoy clorinde I think that’s more of a personal thing rather than a “take” So don’t take it like he’s making general statements

[@AzureDrag0n1]

I found the 3.7 Abyss a little harder because of the cryo and hydro heralds.

[@raul3363]

I did this abyss with these exact teams except Baizhu instead of Zhongli, I did manage to clear it with 3 stars with almost 1 whole minute left to spare, but it was definitely the hardest abyss we've had. I am f2p and it made me wonder what would I have done if I didn't pull for these characters.

[@Strap89]

People are going to yoink sigewinnie ult on the lectors and then asking why their shields are so strong 💀

[@lighty2884]

LMAOO 🤣🤣

[@AndresLionheart]

Total HP doesn't necessarily mean it's harder. When I saw the HP total my first reaction was "oh, the same as previous Abyss but the HP total is higher because the last boss isn't a low HP high barrier enemy". You can also have 10 Mitachurls which are more HP than a consecratred beast, but the consecrated beasts move around all over the place and don't like to get staggered. I'd say that that one Abyss with a bunch of consecrated beasts in groups of 2 on 12-3 was harder.

[@ellen_naga]

Thinking double Hydro Nahida Hyperbloom is any level of fun is certainly an opinion

[@moony488]

i mean imo it's the most meta hyperbloom team and hyperbloom IS fun

[@columbinadamselettefan]

tons of colourful numbers fun

[@sjin3475]

players when they find out that fun is subjective to every player:

[@canaldecasta]

Nahida Fischl/Razor Candace Thoma 😎✌️

[@hyeongpinkz]

i think 3.7 was significantly harder tbh, or maybe its bc we didn’t have the fontaine units

[@hirone5337]

Tbh I think is cause of Fontaine units.. I ménaged to clear at first try with a Clorinde lvl 80 in my first half and a Neuvilette team in the second half… it was hard btw

[@hirone5337]

My Xiao is well built but still clears slower than a incomplete clorinde cause this abyss is literally made for her

[@MrGshinobi]

Neuvi didn't "ruin" abyss, hoyo ruined abyss by not changing it in any good way for 4 years, no new floors, no new interesting spins or gimmicks on the formula, it's the same 4 floors but each update the enemies get tankier and more annoying, there's barely any strategy involved besides picking the right meta team with the right meta units and just doing enough damage.

[@djampoucheukap1742]

Technically they did change abyss, this and the previous one are by far the hardest ones, the reason why when you scroll the internet and see people make them look like easy, is due to the existence of neuvillette, trust me, as soon as you withdraw the dragon and by extent arlechinno from their account they will really suffer at the abyss

[@sasato8966]

@@djampoucheukap1742 why? because they really did change nothing except their health bars

[@MrGshinobi]

@@djampoucheukap1742 In what way did they change abyss besides just making the enemies tankier and adding new leylines that barely do anything to change the gameplay loop? And as someone that has cleared the last few abyss rotations with AND without neuvi and arlecchino it's really not that hard lol, if you learn the enemy patterns and bring units that are good against them and are well built you'll be fine, i've even done with 4 star only teams.

[@djampoucheukap1742]

@@sasato8966 the enemies have changed, we got coppelia and coppelius who deal a shit ton of dmg, and we got fontaine local legends and hydro tulpa who deals lot of dmg while requiring you specifics team comps ( geo or overload for one, anything other than hydro and bennett for the tulpa), and as you said hp health etc, I mean, what do you want them to change in the abyss exactly?

[@djampoucheukap1742]

@@MrGshinobi you dont understand my point, what do you want them to actually change in abyss, you said it yourself, by learning the patterns, studying the mobs, dodging etc, you know using lot of your skill and time retrying in combat you can clear it with 4 stars, and if not you can clear it with comfort with recents specific units, what do you want more of abyss precisely? And please, dont get me started on wuwa holograms, it is not the same fucking combat system

[@oppaidaisuki920]

Truly a dps check. Brought both hypercarry arlecchino and neuvillette and went through it like a hot knife through butter. No resets necessary.

[@Marta1Buck]

hard? maybe annoying? definitely.

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

It's both

[@ImaPandaFox]

Low-key I found this abyss fine chamber two and chamber three were relatively easy both halves. chamber one is by far the hardest. I will say I think it’s the hardest chamber we’ve had in abyss, but it still wasn’t that bad. I only had to redo it twice to get it. And I ran the stupidest thing ever. Hu Tao, support elegy ganyu, venti and xingqui first half and second half was Ayato, fishcl, yelan, and Benny.

[@ardaoguzhan8181]

Since this abyss is really good for nilou im expecting a nilou rerun very soon lol

[@arocomisgamusclademork1603]

Neuvillette Ruined Abyss could ALSO Put Furina dissatisfied favorite CHaracter matter like Wriothesly

[@Gaurang_Karande]

1:13 Nahida Hyperbloom truly the most fun team of all time

[@crocworks]

Full starred using Thundering Furry Razor and Mono-Hydro. No Neuvillette. Teams used were Nahida, Xingqiu, c6 Bennett, Razor & Furina, Ayato, Barbara, Kazuha.

[@saphirastorm]

Ayato supremacy 🎉

[@unknownkw]

I barely made it with the limited teams I have, extremely sad that I have to kick Qiqi from my Furina geo team to get full star on 12-1 but well... Was about to give up but a Childe international speedrun video on 12-1-1 gave me some insight. Ultimately I cleared 12-1-1 with Raiden Collei Barbara Nahida in 1:27 and 12-1-2 with Navia Furina Mona Noelle in 1:31, with just 2 seconds to spare. It took me so many tries since I never practiced running Mona on my geo team. 12-2 and 12-3 I got full stars with same teams but Qiqi instead of Mona the day new abyss arrived. All 5-star characters c0 and all weapons 4-star or below. Nahida and Furina are using 3-star weapons.

[@skybox4080]

I like that if you don't have a built double hydro team for the second half, you just lose

[@phoenixlau]

Beidou + Fischl, e.g. taser. If you don't have hydro OR electro covered, well...

[@ryan-tabar]

My dps kokomi slapped the second half.

[@moony488]

frr she slays everytime but it felt especially good with this abyss

[@Healcannon]

Hearing you think this is the hardest abyss we ever had is interesting. I did have to change up some comps but I didn't have massive amounts of retries. Just goes to show how progressed my account is by this point. Certainly i've had way more difficult abysses where i've spent hours in them struggling to clear with certain comps or even with good ones. So this might be the hardest abyss of all time but when taking into account progression, there were far worse for me. I think back at the start of 2022 there was a multiple herald / lector abyss with guys on both sides and I only had Sucrose. That was way harder for me back then than this abyss was for me now.

[@bobthehandyman3650]

Alhaitham hyperbloom is eating well with this abyss

[@MrGshinobi]

I love neuvilette so much, he's just so fun and strong, glad i got him on his first run, he's one of the few units that i would consider rolling for constellations for

[@odnt5529]

Fun = holding left click

[@AsterMiracle.]

Neuvillette is boring AS FUCK Most boring release of 4.X alongside Arlecchino

[@llaflik]

​@@odnt5529 "yoo look at this person having fun in a GAME" Ahh comment😭fun=subjective, how about you do something fun then hate watching🫡

[@destructo3457]

You don't even have to hold it you just do it until he shoots the beam and then let go 😭

[@gervoh]

@@odnt5529 proper realization of a power fantasy cna be fun in itself, it doesn't require intricate and deep mechanics

[@ookami5547]

I knew this would happen, however designed and tuned him really fucked up the entire game with this one character, now the only way to solve this is to buff every character in the game and make the game harder since they sure as hell can't nerf him at this point. I can't believe they released him like he is and thought that this would be a good idea. the other way they can "solve this" is they start releasing characters as strong as him and dump all the older characters in which case most of the player base I hope would dump Mihoyo to show them a similar lever of respect.

[@Zeke1460]

Legit can’t clear this abyss. I don’t have an anemo dps or hydro dps. Or electro main dps. Or enough aoe on my hydro and electro subdps characters. So I just CANNOT clear this abyss 12-1 in time. It just takes way too long to deal with both pyro lecters. And the fact that I have to constantly dodge or take a ton of DoT is also not great. Sucrose + xingqiu is also not enough. You need to have both amazing damage AND enough electro + hydro application to clear. And I have the damage but I just don’t have the application. Don’t have neuv. Don’t have furina. Will try again after getting furina but for now this abyss is impossible for me.

[@r.d.6290]

Chamber 1 mono-pyro Arlecchino Xiangling, Bennet, Sucrose and double hydro hyperbloom yelan xingqiu worked for me, but only on chamber 1, and it was not easy, only few seconds till 7min mark.

[@deathmetalalchemist5861]

Yeah monohydro with Furina is the way for the second half … Kokomi helps a great deal in that team… keep building your units and as you expand your roster you will be able to start doing harder abyss’ like this… also recommend abyss YT’ers like F2PKeqing, KenRuorini and SilentType for team ideas…

[@MrSunDragon]

The annoying thing is the waves. Id prefer all enemies at once rather then waves

[@alexsjarif]

I actually agree with some of the chat tbh 3.x abysses felt harder imo. For the people saying yeah cuz of stronger units i only used units pre fontain and after that ones with fontain char.

[@freshlymemed5680]

Most of it was easy imo, dendro chicken and simon are easy enough bosses. It was the abyss rotation with 4 consecrated beasts as well the lector/herald spam that just made 3.x such a pain in the ass. I personally just hate that there are 4 waves in the current abyss with fodder waves in between, it kinda ruins rotations.

[@alexsjarif]

@@freshlymemed5680 now that u mention it the lector herolds were so annoying. The reason i found 3.x to be hard was mostly cuz of bosses who had invincibility frames like wolf lord etc and the lectors that froze u to waste time i had such a hard time with those but it was never abt the dps back then.

[@EdenVix]

The 3.x abysses were mechanically harder, this one is mechanically very easy it's just a high dps check but if you reach it then you're good The 3.7 one was hell on earth

[@alexsjarif]

@@EdenVix yeah that was my point the whole 2.x patch i cleared 36 stars without a problem but in 3.x i had a few abysses i couldn't do it anymore /couldn't be bodered (aka wolf lord) and the moment it was 4.x i've been 36 starring again

[@LivingChad]

I still get nightmares about 3.7 abyss...

[@alvin081988]

Even with a strong Neuvilette qnd Arlecchino...this abyss is effing tough....it took me 10 tries just to 36 stars this

[@tigeress151]

the 3.7 abyss was way harder than this one and neuvillette didnt exist back then so can't exactly blame it on him lol. people have to accept that abysses both get harder over time due to natural powercreep and get harder as the nation progresses, which is why the x.7 versions are so difficult. but even if neuvillette didn't exist we still had so much other powercreep in fontaine with both supports and dpses so 4.7 abyss would've been difficult no matter what, just in a different way. like 4.8 abyss has the tulpa and 2 geo bosses that neuvillette won't be good against but navia will, it just is how it is. and if natlan has the bennett/xiangling powercreep the community has been begging for, you bet your ass they're going to balance abyss around those units as well lol.

[@fuyutsukirai]

bro got stunlocked when someone said this abyss is easy 💀

[@helge5565]

For me this abyss fees easier than the last one, however I’m yet to 36-star any abyss. However, the previous one is the first abyss I’ve ever cleared, because I got Wanderer with c6 Faruzan. Now, my Wanderer is slightly better built and I can actually use Ayaka for the first time since… a long f**king time. I’m getting Furina soon, who will hopefully help my Ayaka. I also have an aggravate Keqing team, but my Keqing still has the same mid-build she had before dendro O_o so she does nowhere near enough damage. I also have an okey Childe Intern team, but it uses both Bennett and Kazuha, who are needed for Wanderer and Ayaka

[@juggernaut6666]

Its basically just any electro team top side and any hydro team bottom side. I used clorinde chevy top then triple hydro nilou bottom and it was fine.

[@xienRawat]

Even with nilou team i had to use triple hydro cause kokomi hydro app wasn't cutting it. So i used nilou nahida kokomi and xingqui.

[@thesparklegirl3236]

Thanks for making this it helped me 36 star!

[@archzillla]

I'm still mad it resets only once a month now

[@Szczurzyslawa]

Two past abbysses gave me way more touble... maybe they had just different checks that I specifically had very hard time passing, while a simple dps check is... well, simplier

[@53darkknight53]

This made me take C5 Raiden to the scenes again

[@r.d.6290]

After finally clearing this Abyss, I just deliberately sprinted with Arlechino to the water with no stamina, drowned her and Alt+F4ed from the game...

[@korosensei329]

my childe international once again flexing its flexibility

[@Shuraig7]

And there are still people who think "Neuvilette is over rated". ffs this guy competes with the best single target DPSs while being an aoe character. Also he's extremely easy to play and consistent, the fact that zhongli is in his best team damage wise says a lot.

[@D4C_267]

Wanderer and alhaitham>>>>>neuvillette

[@kap1l968]

​@@D4C_267i can see alhaitham arle and childe, but wanderer? 💀

[@D4C_267]

@@kap1l968 Wanderer with a c6 faruzan wrecks everything.

[@kap1l968]

@@D4C_267 connot compete with the onfielders i mentioned, i have top 2% wanderer but be fr

[@D4C_267]

@@kap1l968 Yes he definetly can. Wanderer faru bennett and furina has higher single targer damage than neuvillette. if you can pilot that team then there is an arguement for wanderer being a bit better than neuvillette

[@SleepyKurisu]

Bro what is hoyo doing with the next patch reruns 💀 I saw the leaks earlier and man, I don't understand what went through their head with fontaine character reruns after inazuma and sumeru re released the characters in order meanwhile fontaine it's completely random it seems About this abyss though? DOGSHIT that is all

[@mormegil84]

What are the reruns?

[@SleepyKurisu]

@@mormegil84 Navia Nilou and Yelan, I've been waiting for Wriothesley but ig I might be waiting into 5.0

[@mormegil84]

@@SleepyKurisu Nice. I might go for Yelan C2 then.

[@Ivy-jq6di]

@@SleepyKurisu They also removed Wrio from the IT starting lineup and replaced him with Ayaka lmao

[@SleepyKurisu]

@@Ivy-jq6di that's insane, they really disrespecting him

[@tigergirldw9103]

I felt like I finally get to experience the 36* pleasure but then this abyss came and i can’t even 9 star floor 11 should’ve pulled for neuvilette ig 😭

[@LokianEule2]

How about when Raiden came out during an abyss where energy in the chamber alternated between abundant and severely reduced

[@freshlymemed5680]

Hoyo balancing abyss around the meta breaking characters is stupid. If they want to make Neuv and Arle stop dominating abyss just put hydro/pyro slimes and mages in the waves and not make it a damage check that hurts every other character. They nerfed Venti by making enemies resist vacuum or require getting staggered first, they nerfed Zhongli with riftwolves, smart enemy placement and design could make abyss more interesting but nah we just gotta keep making it a wallet and time investment check.

[@ozymandias2630]

Hoyoverse doesn't care a bit about actually improving this game, they just want to milk as much money they can before it dies

[@stewie_]

This abyss sure is challenging. Especially the first floor.

[@brian9a331]

And then there's open world enemies

[@kaldimustheviator94]

Heh it was easy ngl. The 3.7 abyss was way harder.

[@Abrigat]

3.7 haunts me in my worst nightmares fr

[@oye4103]

zajef never fails to fall for bait comment 9:10

[@akotazay]

I gave up tbh. I wasn’t clearly abyss heralds, kissed by a few second not even counting the wave after them.

[@molybdnum]

It's not even that his damage output is high, it's that a central format of abyss content is "pairs of miniboss enemies where trying to work around unreliable positioning mechanics so you can actually apply damage to both at once is more important than your combat skill, knowledge of enemies, teambuilding, or character strength" and it turns out the bubblebeam is a hard counter to that.

[@heinzkohl7739]

I genuinely dont know what to do on my f2p account. My best bet was Mona but I just dont know how else to apply hydro. I dont know what to do, pls help Update: Thx for the suggestions, I finally made it with a hyperbloom double hydro team

[@rynnn8473]

barbara works well

[@MrGshinobi]

roll neuvi

[@Random-sq2cy]

Xingqiu?

[@michi1944]

Invest in xingqiu and use teams that doesnt use him for the first half.

[@M_K499]

On second half I used arle,Bennet,kazuha and childe. Childe melted the shields in like 10secs. And first half alhaitham quick-bloom

[@berry2386]

nah floor 12th was easy, floor 11th, chamber 1 tho…. like sure venti can fix it but like the first time i went without him and it was PAINFUL

[@spacebanana712]

Nilou is really good on the second half btw.

[@kanashiiinu9124]

Cant wait for Neuvillette + Pyro Traveler teams

[@wanderinggamer5079]

You think Pyro Traveler will be good…I can appreciate the optimism actually. 🎉

[@heshaamjaved4385]

The abyss always gets harder the closer we get to the next region. Last year, it was just as bad. Let’s not pretend it’s balanced around Neuvillette when it’s been happening before the character’s release.

[@DoctorQcumber]

It's not pretending. Literally read any of the other comments on this video. If people have Neuvillette (or to a lesser extent Ayato), they breeze through it. If they don't, it's incredibly difficult. It's an AoE hydro check, and Neuvillette is purpose built for it

[@spacebanana712]

​@@DoctorQcumberliterally just use kokomi if you have her. She's not aoe but she manages to delete the shields really quickly.

[@heshaamjaved4385]

@@DoctorQcumber I do not have Neuvillette and I’m purely F2P. Just because *you* think it’s built for a specific character (which *IMO* it isn’t) , doesn’t mean you don’t have alternatives for it

[@EngelAguilar]

Or... it's actually hard like every last patches of a region and Neuvillete is just too strong as the exception for every type of content.

[@utaita8214]

Used wanderer - Furina- Faruzan - Mika. Shield went down and got max stars

[@ishleyro5457]

The dps check on this abyss may be the highest ever... but I still didn't hate it as much as the 3.7 abyss.... 12-1 1st Half: Two waves of whopperflowers followed by two waves of primal constricts 12-1 2nd Half: Hydro & cryo abyss mages with extra abilities followed by one hydro & two cryo abyss heralds that are up your arse constantly trying to permafreeze you 12-2 1st Half: Terrorshroom 12-2 2nd Half: Thunder Manifestation (This chamber wasn't too bad) 12-3 1st Half: Twin waves of consecrated hydro crocodiles & dendro tigers (hope you're good at dodging & know how to keep away from the sides of the room while doing it) 12-3 2nd Half: Iniquitous Baptist with cryo/hydro/pyro pattern Most of the dps checks weren't extreme (other than the 12-3 consecrated beasts being tankie af), but the shield-break checks sucked pretty hard and the whole 2nd half was pretty restrictive on team building if you were trying to 3* all chambers without switching teams. 12-1 was literally awful with the first half sucking up time & then the heralds on the second half just utterly up your rear trying to freeze you out Honestly, I'll take a hard dps check over that frustrating crap any day

[@columbinadamselettefan]

3.7 was MUCH worse, fight me

[@Silver-tb7hf]

That second side looks like prime real estate for my mono hydro team >:]

[@leidecarvalhodemello4594]

I actually found the last abyss + the plunge damage one WAY HARDER, that being said it must be because all my best chars are hydro

[@r3dknight]

Yeah 12-1 wavecheck is ridiculous. I lag too much and lost like 10 secs. Might have to wait for good ping to 3 star it.

[@MicrocarpaRutaceae]

Just built beidou, didn't think she'd come in clutch for this abyss lol

[@challengergames5624]

as a C6 Neuvilette haver, yes he does. floor 12 feels like floor 10

[@ThelostPenguin0]

Interesting, I found the previous abyss harder but that may come due to having a very strong hydro team

[@hamutasa3]

is that neuvi c0? or c1?

[@crazyformyself7296]

I used Childe International on the 1st half and Arlefuri in the 2nd (with Yelan and Jean too)

[@Devil-sama...]

Hard abyss? Slapped it... Back to Tempest Mephis Holo VI...

[@Wishing_God]

imagine playing hyperbloom double hydro in 2024 as ar 60 X D

[@tsyganko]

Ah, for me the hardest Abyss is still end of Sumeru with the consecrated beasts. The only thing I have trouble with here is the pyro lectors. First half Alhaitham, second half Childe

[@Ulquiorra_Cifer]

i really feel bad for new players who have to face this huge wall of dps check with mediocre artifacts, i can't really imagine someone getting 36 stars before playing for 4 months at least

[@None38389]

Why would new players be in the abyss 12 though? There's still plenty to do if they were new.

[@fettuccine148]

I guess I should get around to building my neuvillette

[@mafalgi]

jesus christ I'm not even gonna try it. not on my permanent 190 ping o(-< guess nothing to do besides wait for the imaginary theatre for however long that'll take

[@gonzalodiez6336]

ppl are kinda exaggerating the neuvillette for this abyss

[@EdenVix]

Fr, as long as you have other good hydros it's fine

[@None38389]

Yep, Ayato did just fine.

[@alphajorge4642]

Its not only that, Neuvillette makes your brain run auto pilot, you dont need to think a lot to crush the abyss, thats the point.

[@ABRock6]

It makes it easy mode for sure

[@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters]

It's either Neuvillette or Xingqiu + Yelan/Kokomi and there aren't many synergystic teams for that combination. Just Hyperbloom and a couple of sub-optimal but comfy teams like Navia double Hydro.

[@sleet9289]

the second and third floors weren't that bad, i used my Nilou team which worked pretty well, but i had to redo the first floor so many times, i just didn't have the hydro application so i switched to a taser team.

[@jonathanrobinson198]

As someone without Arlecchino and Neuvillette, this was an ordeal. Specifically 12-1 I’m honestly glad I got Clorinde because I’m honestly not sure what I would’ve done.

[@utaita8214]

Embrace keqing

[@jonathanrobinson198]

@@utaita8214 I use Keqing. If she was higher than C1 she probably could’ve done it faster than my Clorinde. Clorinde just synergizes better with Fischl in terms out putting out attacks.

[@SyraFunniz]

This abyss isn't hard. It is just very very annoying if you don't have the right characters. First half is very easy you can play any good dps team with short rotation. But the second half need aoe dmg + good hydro is very annoying Especially i play on around 180-200 ping so it is hard to switch the character out fast. Tbh it is just neuvillette abyss if you have neuvillette it us very easy. You can say you can use xingqiu yelan ans stuff but it is still very slow. I literally have to use nilou kokomi yelan nahida team for the second half cus those pyro shields are very annoying to deal with. Also it is very good for ayato yelan/xingqiu nahida kuki but then you put those wolves that drain hp so have to play healer cus kuki won't be enough. Tbh this abyss just very annoying with it limitations. It is definitely not hard if you have right characters

[@shriman4834]

This abyss top half is so fun with Yoimiya. Second half is so easy with hyperbloom 😊

[@miikasuii]

As usual my Navia team and Nuevillette team saved me 😭

[@meloolelo]

multiwave fucked me so hard cause enemies take so fucking long to spawn for me.

[@CryoConnoisseur]

they should finally make abyss go longer, ~90s per half is ridiculously low play time. considering people that struggle take over 1 hour anyway and it wouldn't change at all if we would have 120s or 180s per half, but it would make the abyss more a more pleasing time (because you actually spend time in the abyss and not thinking how to solve it)

[@JohnWolf926]

Might be the hardest by numbers but still easy for anyone that’s been playing for a while

[@spacebanana712]

I genuinely hope they keep making this stuff more difficult, I had fun in this abyss.

[@adrianaxel3]

My secondary accont can be summarized as: First team: ⚰☠ Second team: Neuvillette + Furina 😎👍

[@TheSmugOjou-sama]

I don't have Neuvillette and honestly I struggled more on 11-1 than on floor 12 lmao.

[@cleod7439]

Same, a huge amount