Nakamichi Dragon with Two 12 inch Subs: Full Review (is it worth it?)

[@neverenoughtech]

Correction (good news!) the 12s and 8s can be set to different levels in the OSD

[@Chargers52]

I’ve been waiting for this video, very nice review!

[@neverenoughtech]

Appreciate it!

[@kicksandknees]

Thanks Daniel, I have my 12" on the way, just got my tracking confirmation today. Going to purchase another! Can't have just three woofers now that I've seen your review

[@ME2-U2]

I added two 12s to the 8s that came with the bar, recalibrated speaker distances with tape measure in the OSD, then recalibrated sound pressure levels using a db meter at listening position in the OSD. I played the first demo and was completely caught off guard by the literal earthquake it produced. I've never felt my room shake like that. I feel it's worthwhile to take the time to do an advanced calibration.

[@michael-4k4000]

Is he really 6'11"? thats huge

[@no-mayo-please]

Long time Andrew Robinson fan here, but also big-time NeverEnoughTech fan as well. There is room for both in my home. Great review, and keep up the informative videos!!!!😎

[@neverenoughtech]

☮️

[@focus9105-t4x]

check out Andrew Robinson's beef with GR research

[@neverenoughtech]

I was made aware. Reaction videos! How fun!

[@mikkirurk1]

Dude, your content is on the next level. Good luck!

[@ElverGalarga-xy5oq]

All of your videos give dad joke vibes and I’m here for it

[@neverenoughtech]

There’s a serious under appreciation for that in my house (ungrateful family)

[@CloudSurfer13]

Have been eagerly awaiting this video drop! Great review, well laid out and covers all the bases with clarity. Has me thinking about keeping the 8's now instead of selling/modding them when the 12's arrive.

[@neverenoughtech]

If you got them just try the 4. Nothing to lose 👍

[@jamesrose298]

@@neverenoughtechyou have everything to lose the system sounded good until I got the 2 12s and did the firmware update now only 1 8 works system says newest firmware is installed nakamichi giving me the runaround so now the money I spent for the limited edition and the 2 12s is down the toilet I will never buy anything from nakamichi again and will post this everywhere I can so no one else gets robbed like I did.. complete waste of hard earned money🤦😫

[@3rd_gen_j]

Thought I was gonna get away with buying only one 12”. Thanks, now I ordered another. Great video and awesome setup info!! Very helpful and dig the humor!

[@neverenoughtech]

(You’re welcome/ sorry) please choose the appropriate response

[@xguy9999]

Really enjoy your videos, I learn about stuff, and laugh 😄

[@neverenoughtech]

Glad to hear it!

[@007galaxie]

@neverenoughtech I just received both of my 12's yesterday and have set them up. To help break them in I played a heavy rain/thunder track overnight. I then played a mix of Ennio Morricone, Emperor Penguin, Stelvio Cipriani and El Michels Affair. I then watched Fury Road. Holy Crap! I've watched that movie several times now with the quad 8s and it never sounded/felt like that. I moved my 8s to the back of the room and it has just brough a whole new listening experience. I can't wait to check out other movies and music with this new set up. I'm going to surprise my kiddos with that airplane demo this weekend lol.

[@seanstrauser9802]

Great review! Thank you for all your insight and humor.

[@neverenoughtech]

Glad it found you!

[@ronaldokabatay5907]

I noticed your listening area appears to be a large & wide open-spaced basement setting. I am no audiophile and have none of the measuring tools you have in your testing arsenal, but for a setting in a smaller environment, wouldn’t the overall sound and bass response be more appreciated where one could limit the dispersion and “bass load” in the corners? Great review! I really appreciated your well-deserved response video to Andrew’s Dragon-bashing video.

[@ccdccd8615]

I LOVE the Dragon for ONE reason: it makes my max’ed out Sonos system seem reasonable (and affordable) by comparison!

[@neverenoughtech]

The dragon really advanced the “how much money you got” ball with this last round. They need to support 4 bigger surrounds. They can take this further.

[@ccdccd8615]

@@neverenoughtech I don’t doubt that Nakamichi can take things further, just not at all convinced that many people will care.

[@MrBjorn6]

​@@ccdccd8615if they keep selling out? So someone cares

[@cgott42]

I think you're genuinely funny, I enjoy your reviews. thx. Found this very helpful and I had the Dragon (one of the 1st 500) and resold it. Was considering getting it (now with the sub options). but the non exceptional spatial audio is a deal breaker (at this cost). I felt it myself, but "needed" your confirmation on that point (that I wasn't doing anything wrong). thx!

[@neverenoughtech]

Glad I could help

[@Runsteady]

Always great content no matter what you’re reviewing! 6’ 11” though?! 😮 I would’ve never guessed.

[@neverenoughtech]

What I don’t have 6’11” energy ….?!!?!???!

[@GoodBoy-io6fd]

AWESOME REVIEW MAN! Compared to that Andrew! Is it possible to order another pair of surround/rear speakers because I want to put another pair and make it front speakers right & left?

[@MrBjorn6]

They would have to upgrade the Dragon in order to do that?

[@GoodBoy-io6fd]

@@MrBjorn6 Yeah right! Do you like y idea?

[@MrBjorn6]

​@@GoodBoy-io6fdI recommend it to Nakamichi on April 26th 2023🤔

[@neverenoughtech]

Nope, not a thing. They made the subs work by converting the 8s to a single channel when you add the 12s

[@ShuffleTaneja]

Fantastic review. I currently disable a woofer in each 8” sub for music and have one placed in front corner and one on the back. I find this setting to have the best punch. If I get a single 12”, I’m afraid I can’t do that. But if they do allow for custom crossovers on each sub, that’d be a game changer

[@Mac_Daffy]

Hope you‘ll reach your subscribers goal. Thanks for the valuable content.

[@neverenoughtech]

Appreciate it!

[@JavierMartinez-ww8vy]

Great video! Btw, do you feel a single 12" and two 8"'s would be a sonic improvement?

[@neverenoughtech]

Over 8s yes but I’d just go all the way and get two 12s - it’s gonna click more - return if you don’t want two

[@JavierMartinez-ww8vy]

Thanks for your honest opinion! It's just pricey to go all in on two new subs for existing owners

[@neverenoughtech]

No doubt

[@tonychan6814]

The sound demo with 2X 8 inches at the back and the 2 X12 front does sound more immersive. A complete different experiences.

[@MrDangerousshark]

Still kinda blown away by the high price for these subs. And also blown away that they are sold out. Did they only make 10 of them?!

[@neverenoughtech]

That is the mystery …

[@ZaynTheDon]

Came for the review, stayed for the humor

[@neverenoughtech]

Glad to hear!

[@jonathanroy8105]

I have the original Dragon with dual 8”. I bought four of the 12” subs and hoping these hit hard. I want to feel it in my bones. Any one want to buy my now useless 8”? Thank you for the review and I really enjoy the humor you weave in.

[@MrBjorn6]

You are a big spender 🎉. Hopefully it sounds fantastic. I bought 2 12s to go with with the 2 8th

[@jonathanroy8105]

@@MrBjorn6 I was disappointed with the 8" performance. I set my LFE to -3db and that helped them from bottoming out. I am hoping they can figure out a way to add another set of surrounds (like the rear) for sides of my room.

[@MattLao-s8k]

@@jonathanroy8105 I am interested in the 8''

[@MattLao-s8k]

@@jonathanroy8105 I am interested in the 8's

[@MattLao-s8k]

I am interested in your 8”s let me know

[@dc2prashant]

Very nice bro🎉very nice review..keep it up 🎉🎉from India

[@cordcuttercam]

The only dragon review THAT MATTERS !

[@neverenoughtech]

I agree along with those two other ones I did that a few people watched

[@tulmiester]

You answered all my questions. Thank you. Now to watch my wife’s face when I order two 12” subs. ..

[@ericspear3610]

Thank you for the follow up! I was happy with my two 8" original subs, but I think that is because I have a smaller room (14' x 16' but my system is set up in the front wall along the first 11' as to the left of my system setup, it opens up into the kitchen area so for me, the room is set up as 14' x 11') I have 8' ceilings that reflect Amos sound well. I did end up giving in and ordering one 12" sub and am waiting for it to get here in November. I don't really have the room for another sub but think I will end up moving my 8" to the rear beside my couch and the one 12" in the front.

[@jeffreynguyen5653]

Great review! Do you plan on making a comparison between Dragon with the 12"s and the Sonos Arc Ultra full setup when that comes out?

[@D65Cinder11HDR]

Let's Doooooo this 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤ 0:24

[@shemsureshot]

Have you considered reviewing passive soundbars? It would be interesting to see you review something like the Klipsch theater bar.

[@ScbyPwr]

Howdy, can you answer the 1 12” sub added to the existing system. I have a smaller room and not sure about spending the extra on another sub if not needed. Opinion?

[@ShuffleTaneja]

Second this 👆

[@f900ex5]

It would be great if we got an answer to this. I am in the same situation.

[@mrfreezey1]

So. I'm in a bit of a conundrum.. I essentially built a theater room (11x18) with theater carpet for the Dragon alongside the LTV-2500. I've sort of been playing around with it myself for about a month and the integrator is supposed to come back and calibrate and tune everything up. Im tempted to get one 12, and only one bc of space... the only place it would fit would be in the back left of the room, the right side is where you enter the room that has a swing-in door, and of course the front is where the 2 8's are. I feel like the bass has been fine in the limited things that I've watched.. haven't done blu-rays yet, and just viewed some clips of movies with action scenes just to test. Do I have FOMO, or where you speaking to people like me when you said don't get 3 subs (although it sounds like you were talking about those that are getting 3 12"s)

[@ericspear3610]

I too have a "smallish" room with my Dragon setup. My room is actually 14' deep x 16' wide, but I have my system set up as if it were 14' deep x 11' wide because there is an open-door area to the kitchen and low wall in the area past 11'. So, in effect I have a wall down my right side when facing the TV and the wall to the left is five feet further than my area so kind of open to the left if that makes sense. Just the way I had to set it up. The ceiling is 8' and reflects height sounds really well so I have no problem getting good Atmos effects from my Dragon's upward firing speakers. My 8" subs are in the front of the room, but I may need to move them to the back when my 12" sub arrives. I am only getting one 12" sub as I really have no room for two and it would overpower the small room, I think.

[@mrfreezey1]

@@ericspear3610 are you in the FB group?

[@MattyDaddy14]

Great great review!!!! 🎉 very well done and comprehensive!! Questions: I read somewhere the 8s perform better at higher volumes with one of amps turned off/disconnected to reduce port noise. Have you tried running the 8s with one of the speaker leads disconnected inside since you can’t select separate levels with the 12s added? 2nd. With the 8s in the rear, does it sound like bass is coming from the surrounds? 🎉

[@neverenoughtech]

I made a correction, you can adjust the two levels through the OSD. I did not modify the 8s in any way. And yes, I did mention that having a sub in the back makes it sound like there is a rear ‘mega speaker’ … maybe silly but it’s what I perceived

[@sunnyislam8470]

I gave two 12's coming late October but sadly won't be able to put the 8s in the back corners based on room layout, would you be able to quantify how much better the 4 corner placement is than all lined up in the front? Thanks and great video as always!

[@neverenoughtech]

I think there’s a big improvement. If you can figure out a way I’d recommend it

[@MattLao-s8k]

Two questions. 1)- recommend just the 12's or just the 8's if you only have room for 3? 2)- I call BS on u being 6'11'' Im gonna need to see you stand up with a tape measure. Love your channel

[@neverenoughtech]

Not BS - how tall do you think I am

[@neverenoughtech]

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[@MattLao-s8k]

I guess you seem to be close based on the picture. Lol. I guess your video doesn’t seem so. Do you think 2 12’s and one 8 is better or 2 8’s and one 12? Seems like my layout can only do three subs max. Or should I go two 12 or two 8? Or just one of each?

[@canadianbear6009]

So can you buy the Nakamichi DRAGON package with the 2 new Subs instead of the old ones ?

[@neverenoughtech]

Yes

[@RedLeo-pf9yo]

Yep

[@RJArrayCPA]

Great review! Just wondering, are you using the 120 inch floor rising screen by AWOL? And, what is your ceiling height? How do you like that set up with the sound bar having to be placed in front of the UST projector?

[@neverenoughtech]

Yes and 10ft. The awol has an acoustic transparent screen. But it can impact side and upward firing speakers. Putting it in front is not an issue but if the AWOL projector is off I’ve found I have to manually turn it on as line of site seems to be required for turning the projector on (haven’t totally figured out this oddity)

[@MrBjorn6]

I was told that the 8 inches subwoofer still distorted? By someone who has the 12 inch Nakaimichi. They said 95% the time it works fine but if you push the dragon the 8th will still distort. Batman with Robert Patterson 2:20 Mark? Tell me do you hear distortion still with this setup? I'm expecting my 2 12 inch subwoofers by end of October

[@neverenoughtech]

One thing I missed is that you can differentially adjust the 8 volume in OSD (not app) of you are noticing that adjusting the 8 label may help

[@TheCdM1981]

The only system to me worth getting still since it’s upgradable and perfect as is. Is the Sonos Arc with 2 sub gen 3’s and 2 rear era300’s sure the arc is aging but it’s still better than all of these other brands and the arc2 will be out any day now. So that’s all I would buy over the current arc.

[@LordDementus1987]

For that price, why not just a 5.2 system instead?

[@ZachAJ77]

When you set up the 12", do you have to label them as such or do they auto recognize the type?

[@neverenoughtech]

Auto recognize

[@RRRRRRishi]

What do you think about replacing the 2 8" subs with 2 12" subs? I can't add anymore but i can only replace.

[@Vamanos46]

For. MUSIC, This config with 12 x 4 (Or 12+8 dual) OR Sony quads with the larger add on sub ? I have 12 ft ceilings, odd-pentagonal shaped room.

[@neverenoughtech]

Quad -- front separation wins for me - especially music - but if you really value strong bass in music (you’re going hard) then the dragon for sure

[@killswitch7789]

What crossover setting (Hz) do you have the Dragon set to?

[@neverenoughtech]

120hz

[@killswitch7789]

Awesome. Thanks for the quick response! I've enjoyed all your Dragon videos thus far. Keep up the great work!

[@Tech4480]

Could you probably post a video showing best sub crossover settings. Can’t seem to find anything about this for the dragon. Thank you

[@ubacow7109]

I really wanna hear your take when the Klipsch Core 300 w/ Dirac drops. Esp since there will be a bass control & full range Dirac upgrade for it.

[@neverenoughtech]

Looking forward to that one dropping

[@cj2831]

nice review

[@neverenoughtech]

Cheers!

[@wessidemike]

Question. If you had to rate the 12's quality compared to other 12's like an SVS brand sub of equal power, how would it stack up? And, how does the quality stack up to the cost at $1200 and $1500 dollars. Would a $1500 svs sub destroy the nak 12?

[@pulDag]

most def

[@benlastname6667]

The entry level pb1000 pro well below $1000 destroys it. It's already been shown in the group.

[@tamarindo732]

Also the rsl speed woofer 10s destroys this also 😂😂😂

[@arturob.l6282]

This shouldn’t be a question, even the entry level of the SVS subs will single handily destroy these subs in pure volume and real frequency response. I don’t get how people still falls from this company’s marketing hype. Claiming a 12 sub to go as low as 19Hz and where it actually is more pronounce before a soft rolloff start to begin is at 30Hz, same as their 8’s. Same as their 10 inch from their previous Shockwafe Ultra lineup. 🤦‍♂️

[@lovenishmakkar2743]

In India u can buy samsung Q990D in sale under 800$ usd is it worth buying here or anything better we can think of??

[@lovenishmakkar2743]

Please reply?😢

[@lovenishmakkar2743]

My room size is around 300 square feet and i have sony 82L 75inch

[@stacywoode1]

what venue are you using for dramatic 3d lossless audio?

[@zazdsm]

Good job! I do have a question and hope you can answer it. Is it possible to downgrade the firmware? Asking because you said after it the 8's became 1 channel, not more 2 as before. I wondering if I order it and decide to send back and no be able to have the 4 channels anymore. Thanks!

[@neverenoughtech]

It’s only one channel of 12s or more than two 8a are actively paired

[@zazdsm]

@@neverenoughtech the 8's before adding the 12's are 4 channels (2 per each, 4 total) Adding the 12's now, the 8's became 1 per sub. Can u revert it?

[@gliderman9302]

finally!

[@neverenoughtech]

What took that guy so long?

[@TheGirlSkateBoardCo]

Do you suggest getting the 4 12” layout? 😊

[@neverenoughtech]

If you can swing it and you’re already into the Dragon

[@MrBjorn6]

Have you seen the new sale prices? They are playing the early adopters IMHO 😮

[@mikebumstead2973]

I'M CATCHING YOUR DRIFT

[@neverenoughtech]

Appreciate the confirmation

[@czwhat328]

For the price point they need to get Dirac involved

[@pravinranchhod6446]

You made this so easy to choose for me yes I'm buying The Sony quads

[@neverenoughtech]

The quads are great

[@karthikr177]

Me Fully seeing this review although I know I will never make the investment😂😂😂😂

[@neverenoughtech]

Never’s a dangerous word

[@jeffc9119]

Can’t afford this impressive set up. Has anyone heard or reviewed the new Cambridge evo one? I am considering it for my all in one and to use with my tv to replace by old set up which is big and taking up a lot of space. My house is small and so is my living room:)

[@pravinthanusu]

This one is good ? Nakamichi Shockwafe Ultra 9.2.4 Channel Dolby Atmos/DTS:X Soundbar with Dual 10" Subwoofers (Wireless), 4 Rear Surround Effects Speakers, eARC and SSE Max Technology (Flagship)

[@keithskoglund10]

So my main gripe with the base system has to do with the drastic audio decibel difference between normal audio scenes (like casual talking), and when any action occurs (guns/falls/explosions/etc). Action scenes get so loud I have to turn the volume down, and when it goes back to casual talking I turn it back up to hear it. Keep in mind I already tuned the system for uniform decibel output for each driver. Does adding the 12's fix this issue by reducing some of the demand on the 8's? You ever have this happen? Basically Im looking for a better balance between regular audio and impactful audio. It does not increase proportionally imo.

[@MrBjorn6]

I've never had this problem with my dragon

[@heimdallyong7181]

Buy it, don’t connect to the tv, just have it in your living room and keep the price tag on. Everyday it reminds you that you are rich.

[@bostonquad2068]

7 grand you can get a receiver speakers amplifier

[@charleswrigley]

Shame they have no other inputs so you could add them to your own AV system

[@Steve30x]

I don't want to build a proper Dolby atmos system though. It requires me to run cables around the room. I'm ok with running the power cables for the soundbar and subwoofers though /s

[@neverenoughtech]

I feel like I rep this view with regularity

[@granthayden3744]

I have a B&O Theatre that can support 4 (or more) subs.

[@neverenoughtech]

You kind of caught on to my blind spot. You can max the thing to like 40k … that does put the dragon to shame

[@MrBjorn6]

Andrew Robinson is a huge fan of the Bang and Oulfsen soundbar ​@@neverenoughtech

[@bhaskarreddy1663]

Hi

[@MohsinWadee]

Why, you need to tell your better half that Taylor Swift is just going to sound really awesome with four 12s. Show her you care.

[@matttafakt]

She sucks .. so i get your point lol

[@cgott42]

6'11" wow!

[@neverenoughtech]

Truth bomb

[@kkenmmac22]

Total waste of money, you can get a klipsch , monolith thx , SVS Prime system. Any of those would absolutely destroy the Dragon in performance and value. Denon 2700h $550.00 SVS Prime - 5.1 package $2,100 RSL Speed Woofer 12s - qty 2 $799.00 Accessories - wires , cables $50.00 Miscellaneous - Sheet rock repair $500 - $800 Total $4,300 Total -$4,800 with Sheet rock repair

[@MrBjorn6]

What is your don't want to do any sheetrock?

[@kkenmmac22]

@ Instead of running your wires inside of the walls , run them under a large area rug or use some cable covers along the baseboards.

[@Bigkuntry5911]

As a more esteemed viewer (B&W fanboy/owner), I have no interest in the dragon. I just like your videos. Keep it up bro!

[@jamesrose298]

I got 2 of these and did the firmware update now only 1 of my 8 inch subs work and none of the 2 12s..the firmware update crashed the system completely so I called nakamichi and they are giving me the runaround it’s been a week and they said we will help but so far crickets..POS company….DO NOT BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TheGirlSkateBoardCo]

🚨 Karen Detected 🚨

[@pulDag]

From my books 30Hz sub for 1200 $ is for audiophile folks as is REL. Not so much for movie lovers.

[@garretts431]

30hz (at audible decibels) is the average soundbar sub. These dragon subs aren’t worth it unless people enjoy soundbar subs and enjoy overpaying for things..

[@MAYNE318]

For the money I would just upgrade my home theater system

[@D65Cinder11HDR]

That guy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@robertmarquez1137]

They should be priced at 800$ per sub

[@neverenoughtech]

They’d be even more sold out than they are now 🙂

[@Dub3God]

@@neverenoughtech$1500 per is way too much.

[@NalineVillaman]

It's just another way of saying "ghetto" for poor people wearing imitations. BUTTTTT It's a smart investment when rich people do it luxrul

[@rafograph]

THIS

[@ryanchappell5962]

Lack of auto calibration is a complete dealbreaker for me at that price. This is 2024. Also where is the WiFi? I promise I’m not a dragon hater I just don’t understand these decisions. The money is there to provide these basic features.

[@davidbroadbent1470]

I think the issue here is you can buy a much more capable 12” sub for this kinda money

[@MrBjorn6]

That's called free will and everyone has options that works best for them and their budget

[@davidbroadbent1470]

Comparison to the ambeo would be interesting

[@tamarindo732]

Yes pb1000 or rsl 10s

[@chriswyatt9868]

Absolutely. You can get subs from PowerSoundAudio that will be way better than these.

[@cj2831]

I have been a dragon owner for about a year now and I cannot help but to say that I am fairly unhappy. Is it awful? No, but I expected better considering the cost. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but there is minimal height effect, which is disappointing. I cannot justify investing any more money to this system. To my fellow dragon owners, I really hope that you enjoy your dragon more than I do.

[@MrBjorn6]

I absolutely love my Nakamichi Dragon and my mom who's 83 loves it also. That's with the original dragon with the 2.6 firmware update with 8 inch subwoofers

[@CloudSurfer13]

In the dragon settings menu, go to the section where you can play test tones through each individual driver. Play the test tone on the upward firing drivers and increase the setting for that driver until it feels like the sound is coming from the ceiling. You might have to adjust the volume of the forward-firing drivers to ensure a balanced sound (So that the center channels don't sound quiet while the heights sound overpowering), but you'll get an idea of what setting and volume the height drivers need to be at to be effective. My vaulted ceilings needed the height drivers to be at full 10. It doesn't really "fix" the issue but it makes it much better.

[@SynjynB]

Nice job with the pros and cons. For me, the lack of spatial audio is a disappointment. Plus, the price is very very expensive and puts this system on a different tier (Not in a good way). Personally, I would not even try to compare other soundbars because they are not in this price tier (Not even close). This system is trying to compete with AVR systems.

[@rohew0824]

Sadly, cost really prevents many from purchasing the system. It's hard to justify trusting Nakamichi after the 8 inch subs didn't meet the advertised specs and now the high cost of the new subs. This is a system I'd love to experience but the cost doesn't make it worth it.

[@MrBjorn6]

The Samsung 990d is the best bang for the buck

[@rohew0824]

@MrBjorn6 agreed. I have that in my basement, just wish a sub could be added.

[@MrBjorn6]

@@rohew0824 I have the Nakamichi Dragon 11.4.6 limit edition in my basement. I love it from day one. But I thought $3499 was a good price. But even when I ordered the dragon when it was a prototype. I was willing to pay extra if I was able to get dragon with 2 additional surround speakers to make it more immersive. They told me it couldn't be done with this bar. I heard in the future they will come out with a new dragon that can do that maybe in 2025, but it will be approaching $8,000😮‍💨

[@tobias7104]

It is eventuelt more ugly, poorly bulid and grotesk expensive for a soundbar setup! Yep, a must have 😂

[@S1mmz]

So you're saying some parts of the voice come out of the bar and some come out of the subs depending on the frequency. Surely that sounds absolutely horrific if your subs are at the back of the room and the voice track should be coming out of the front. 😅 The bar not playing below 160hz is just a **** show personally and just lazy for them to probably not even realise this themselves.

[@neverenoughtech]

I played audio that makes it clear it’s not a nightmare and as with every audio system the unintelligible bass tones are played in the bass and the main unit handles the intelligible part - if both modules were playing intelligible speech - that would be a problem - which is not what’s happening - are you saying that no part of speech should go to the sub?

[@S1mmz]

@@neverenoughtech No because a properly crossed over subwoofer will have zero effect on vocals, otherwise you are bleeding into the higher ranges again hence the **** show frequency of the soundbar. It's the reason why the 8's should be used either side of the bar to blend in and deal with these frequencies and then allow you to place the 12's wherever you want. If you don't plan to use the 8's then again you would have to place the 12's at the front to also stop the above happening but it's still not ideal. It's a poorly designed system because you can't crossover the subs at say a frequency like 80hz as you'll have a massive missing gap and a subwoofer of that size and price shouldn't be dealing with those frequencies as it's an insult to the subwoofer itself 😅

[@MattyDaddy14]

I have the Samsung q990c and if you put your ear to the subwoofer, you can still hear low male voices at times. JS 🎉

[@JimLigon]

If the spatial audio is not as impressive as the Samsung 990D or the Bravia Theatre Quad, I could care less about how loud bass booming it is. I want a quality surround sound experience that is faithful to the audio content. The money they're charging for this shit is ridiculous. LMFAO! Please don't be offended, bro. This is about Nakamichi, not you personally. ✌🏾

[@256alexdt]

Hello, again like now 3 digit of people decided they went another route and bought their own subwoofer with the dragon. It is a simple mod that allow any subwoofer to be use. Much better value then the 1200$ 30hz subwoofer.

[@brosmile9388]

Where can we find more information on the mod?

[@J1467-v1p]

Is Craig the paid shill lurking here? He runs that lame facebook group because Ray sent him a free 12" sub.

[@Squiggly667]

19Hz can be easily felt and heard with decent drivers. 19Hz on my Dayton 18's in Full Marty cabs can pressurize and shake my entire room at even low levels. The SI HST-18's push even harder. The Nakamichi 12's just don't have the enclosure tuning, speaker Fs, or power to deliver at lower and subsonic frequencies. Which is disappointing at their price. You can get an SVS unit that blows these out of the water for the same price point. If you're looking at 4 12's, just get a single JTR 4000 or 6000 ULF (the 6000 needs a 240V line for the 6000W amp) and be amazed at what foundation damaging bass actually feels like.

[@neverenoughtech]

Gonna take a little Nakamichi break but I’m not opposed to learning more about the mod

[@ozzie3805]

It's not exactly a fair comparison putting a 12 sealed against 18s man come on lol. In my room I have a 15 velodyne but I just wouldn't put it in the same league as a 12 never the less an 18"😂.