Deus Ex - An Entire Series Retrospective and Analysis

[@Whitelight]

Somebody say Deus Ex?

[@mdd4296]

no, it's dude sex

[@City-Hunter]

Mandatory.reinstallation

[@danieladamczyk4024]

Already instaling.

[@Eddie_of_the_A_Is_A_Gang]

Been seeing you in the comments here a lot. When's a collab? for dual duration. I wanna see a 10 hours vid with both of you talking about a game.

[@medhros]

I love that there is a community of great game critics on KZbin, and that they keep posting little jokes on each of them videos.

[@davidbeyerle6996]

I would have much preferred a sequel to Mankind Divided or a remaster of Human Revolution than that mistake of an Avengers game.

[@Jarmundx]

Squeenix did actually postpone the Deus Ex franchise in favor for the devellopment of *a game* (at the time) in response to their new deal with disney about the avengers license.

[@alastor8091]

@@Jarmundx why did they even fucking bother if they were just going to half ass it? Ill never understand what monkey is calling the shots at AAA studios.

[@robbietorkelsonn8509]

they should release the second half of mankind divided

[@BodamEscapePlan]

@@robbietorkelsonn8509 It's one of my favorite series that hasn't been run into the ground and in Mankind Divided, it was JUST starting to get really good, in my opinion. I hope they pick up from where they were.

[@rafterman5072]

As would we all.

[@thirdvect0r]

The defining factor of an immersive sim is having a keypad with 0451 in it, right?

[@chillhour6155]

Why it's also called the 451 genre

[@BestintheWest25]

I guess The Last of Us 2 is an immersive sim then lol.

[@chillhour6155]

@@BestintheWest25 nah it's a cover based shooter with pussy politics

[@nifftbatuff676]

And to be developed before 2000.

[@BentDoorFrame]

@@nifftbatuff676 what about Prey... the best immersive sim ever made?

[@0Gumpy0]

One thing I'm surprised you didn't mention is how Mankind Divided somewhat fixes one of your complaints of Human Revolution's story - why everyone got augmented. A big part of MD is how lots of poor workers got augmented in order to get/keep jobs, where augmented workers were needed for complicated tasks. That angle of augments being imposed on the poor in order to compete is actually quite interesting, IMO - basically that bodily autonomy is a privilege for the rich in a world of augments.

[@D00000T]

only problem with that is you have to treat it as a story/lore fix and not one that fits well in game. Most people that are augmented in human revolution don’t look poor or as a worker that does manual labor. Most you see look like your average person.

[@mdd4296]

@@D00000T They look average because the game engine or the old consoles couldnt handle more details. Like the homeless person you met in one of the quest, she was depicted as being in the middle of going through the trash yet her faces and clothes were very clean.

[@nataliarodriguez7049]

Yeah i dont get that criticism, the game explicitly tells you that Adam has military grade augments that the general populace can’t access, so obviously they have more limited augments

[@IsouDw]

Yes. What I loved about the two games is the switch in the aug situation. HR : Being augmented is the sign of being rich. You also become more productive thus richer and more respected. Then Darrows happens MD : An aug is just a time bomb. A mistake that should never have happened. With them not being able to work anymore, they can't even afford neuropozyne. The drug is scarcer, more expensive and the augs become addicts to be dealt with... That was brillant !

[@durkaturk9752]

They touched upon this in HR as well, there was a side quest in the brothel where you have the 'persuade' the local gang to not chase her after she had got a loan and were now using it to extort her, something like 50% on the salary made with the augment. She got it because everyone in her class had one and her grades suffered as a result, threatening her scholarship. I think it was the augment that allows you detect emotion, whatever that was called.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

2-hour Deus Ex retrospective? Absolute Madlad! You can have MY soyfood!

[@satyamprakash7030]

Can I have it instead.... Preety please😁😁

[@jcdhelios7023]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5aTgX6NmM95p9k Inspired by the Ambient Track of Deus Ex 1, ( enemy within), check this out and help me please to help and save our world - JcD Helios Mo11.01.2021

[@karlowalderam362]

Soy is ghey

[@DepressedHandsomeSpaceCop]

Take my lemon-lime soda.

[@rykerjesiah9409]

instablaster

[@MartinMillerGuitar]

Had a really shite day over here. You have no idea how much better seeing you publish a video on one of my favourite games made my evening. Cheers!

[@mbe102]

Keep your chin up dude, shit is gonna get better soon, even if only a little bit!

[@Glassandcandy]

Sorry you’re having a hard time. Shit really sucks right now, but I’m glad we have small things like this to make it just a lil better

[@TheChodex]

Holy moly didn't know you are a gamer! 😁 Hoping we get another Deus Ex game!

[@SwainBjornstrandt]

Martin I can say the same about your uploads man. Big fan.

[@Faction3d]

I think we should get the back out for f to

[@Texelion3Dprints]

Deus Ex died for Marvel Avengers. Press F.

[@SeenaTabatabai]

Avengers died.

[@LeGronk]

everyone keeps repeating this but no one knows if it's really dead. it could get dusted off at some point in the future. I'm hoping it won't be too long.

[@lelxrv]

Comics kill everything. First cinematic blockbusters. Then Deus Ex.

[@nagasonica_]

Nah.

[@Matt-cn2nn]

@@LeGronk We'd all love to see it back, but Square Enix isn't very keen on doing anything for their IPs acquired from buying Eidos. They didn't even give a shit about Deus Ex when they were making the games; a Square Enix rep at an expo once said "Deus Ex? I don't think that's ours" right next to a Mankind Divided booth.

[@FeelzDono]

I can't believe you manage to upload these kinds of videos once a month. Its very admirable

[@jarredlucas4000]

It reallyis quite radical to getvthese vids once in a while

[@bugg6597]

Pure passion

[@aaronenix6418]

It's honestly kind of impressive too.

[@bos_outsider]

Ğ

[@gavinscarborough4207]

@@jeremyalexander135 this is a joke right?

[@BucklingSwashes]

Mankind Divided didn't grab me at release (I stopped about 2/3 of the way through), but I convinced myself to restart it this summer and ended up playing through it twice. It's.... so much better than I remembered or expected, and honestly, I think it may be the best immersive sim to date when it comes to moment to moment gameplay, exploration, and environmental detail. I liked the story more than I expected, but it's the way it shows you the world through its environments (one of many ways in which the game rewards exploration) that makes it truly special. I really hope Eidos Montreal gets to complete the story at some point.

[@borrowingspace]

Your idea of having contextual quest markers based on what your character actually knows is a great one and something I'd love to see in games.

[@khaorix2667]

The new Hitman games kind of did that.

[@DrVoodoo123]

As a Czech person I found the npcs of Mankind Divided very funny. Some of them talk perfect Czech while others talk in English with a THICC Russian accent.

[@blumiu2426]

THAT's what it was! I knew something was weird, but I couldn't pick it out. I'm not used to Czech at all unless I hear it, but I knew the Russian seemed odd.

[@Mrityugata]

Well, some of them are supposed to be Russian (or Georgian). Although I'm always triggered by Vaclav Koller mispronouncing his own name. Not to mention "Wunderkind". I mean, if you insist on English pronunciation, why not just say "Wonderkid"?

[@blumiu2426]

@@Mrityugata But would there be that many or are they just could find enough Czechs?

[@Mrityugata]

@@blumiu2426 I was just referring to the Dvalis. I believe they're supposed to consist largely of Russians due to recent changes to the organization.

[@blumiu2426]

@@Mrityugata Ah, okay. I see what you mean now

[@Heeroneko]

Yeah...Deus Ex conspiracy theories seem far fetched in some ways...until you remember that MK-Ultra was a real thing the CIA actually did to people.

[@ContentCrusader69]

Watergate, Tinnamen Square, and many other things happened and who knows what else is hidden under our noses

[@DavidKing-ph8or]

Yeah I know right?

[@jcdhelios7023]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5aTgX6NmM95p9k Inspired by the Ambient Track of Deus Ex 1, ( enemy within), check this out and help me please to help and save our world - JcD Helios Mo11.01.2021

[@lukashuening]

Well about that... Neuralink + more Advanced artificial Limps every Year + World Economic Forum (probably the real Illuminati) the Guy who gave the Devs from SqureEnix the Ideas about the Near Future just said after Mankind Devided again, that about 2027 we are there, 90% like in the Game, so this will become reality. And just like in the Game the Augs and Neuralink will be hackable, so that you might get hacked or Braindanced. Ah and Elon Musk wants to connect us to a Super AI in the Future, I guess around 2030+. So all in all Deus Ex is Verry realistic and it could become our all reality around 2030.

[@rerecycled7507]

@@ContentCrusader69 Covid.

[@Lshaw89]

I don't know what makes me more sad, how deus ex parallels with the modern world or we will probably never get a resolution to the tragic life of Adam Jensen

[@elidasilva5558]

Dont give up hope, you never know

[@emlyndewar]

Don’t worry. We got that Avengers game instead... 😒

[@Lshaw89]

Ok angela

[@HosKaetan]

@Angela Pittman ok boomer

[@blumiu2426]

@@HosKaetan Eww. You actually use that word. Way to fall in line.

[@AlyxxTheRat]

You haven't played Deus Ex correctly unless you've turned on every faucet in every apartment.

[@CallumDickson666]

if you didn't go to the women's restroom and then get reprimanded by Manderley, did you ever really play Deus Ex?

[@ZagorTeNayebo]

Aaaah the famous "wet bandit" approach

[@ZombieLincoln666]

The wet bandits strike again

[@tylermalone4842]

Deus Ex knows the best thing about conspiracy theories are the leaks...

[@maximvsdread1610]

@@tylermalone4842 Is that because of the "FLOOD" of information...lol...

[@demongrenade2748]

Fun fact, the voice actor for Adam Jensen, Elias Toufexis, used his normal speaking voice for the character of Jensen for the deus ex games. So its not actually him putting on a batman voice, thats just how he speaks.

[@Euruzilys]

I never asked for this. But hey thanks. His voice is impressive

[@Yaetora]

He also appeared in the series The Expanse.

[@bournecode]

@@Yaetora a great show

[@Spellweaver5]

Reminds me of Geralt's voice actor except this one sounds a lot more natural and actually fits the character.

[@AtlasVRC]

So it's not just a voice Elias uses for Adam...so...what your saying......is....HE ACTUALLY IS BATMAN......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!

[@dhillion6675]

your appointment to fema should be finalised within a week

[@benmuzz]

I’ve already discussed the matter with the senator

[@suparockr]

I take it he was agreeable?

[@boomstickYT]

He didn’t really have a choice

[@In_The_Base]

Has he been infected?

[@marcobergamaschi3356]

Ah yes, most certainly

[@alexblackmore7744]

Technically aren't the Grays from Deus Ex genetically engineered rather than actually aliens? To be honest in some respects it's even goofier than the relatively vanilla conspiracy theory of the government hiding aliens.

[@Jesion-kv9tu]

Yeah, they're implied to be monkeys

[@alexblackmore7744]

@BrokenMikrofone yep, weaponising a more out there conspiracy to obfuscate the wider one. Cements the theme even further at the end of the day.

[@crzyces1693]

Wait a minute, the government isn't hiding aliens? Yeah right. next you're going to tell me that Bezos isn't a Lizard person and Musk isn't telepathically getting tech ideas from Extraterrestrials. I suppose you're one of those people who doesn't believe the Earth is flat too? Pft. A circular map does not fit right over a globe, so it's pretty obvious who's correct here.

[@darrenh3426]

And Zuckerberg isn't a lifeless humanoid that needs a set of jumper cables to the old nutsack to Jumpstart that cold mechanical heart.

[@sesleri6457]

Yeah they're not aliens, and it's clearly explained they're not in both games. no clue what video maker is so salty about them for

[@nosferatu9561]

THIS IS GOLD like the entire color palet of Deux ex Human Revolution

[@lifewentdownhill]

I know most people disliked the filter but I enjoyed it so much I grabbed the mod for directors cut to add it back in, it was comfy

[@nosferatu9561]

@@lifewentdownhill i know it suits the atmosphere of the game, it's very cool indeed. but they could add the option to turn it off. Farcry 2 have the same """problem""", there's this brown filter that in my opinion, the game is better off without it.

[@ausaskar]

@@lifewentdownhill You pretty much have to because the entire colour design of the game was designed with the gold-filter in mind and it looks wrong without it. And there's also the huge disconnect between the tint of gameplay and cutscenes. It shouldn't need a mod and should be a checkbox in the menu (on by default).

[@cookieface80]

@@lifewentdownhill That mod is worth getting regardless to fix the lighting.

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

​@@nosferatu9561 Why do devs not just do that? Instead of forcibly removing it, make it an option!

[@arpodyssey1913]

Where is the orange juice???? All I keep getting is Lemon Lime!!! I tell you this is a conspiracy.

[@Ramon-gg3bd]

You must drink gamerfuel.

[@austinackermann3731]

You came all the way to paris to tell me that?

[@DaedalusTwelve]

Everytime you mention Deus Ex, someone else is reinstalling it...

[@pullt]

May sound like insult, but I'll fall asleep to this for a good week....it'll all get absorbed and enjoyed, though....

[@blindeyedblightmain3565]

He has very calming and pleasant voice, paired with some light tranquilizers his videos helped me escape insomnia for a while now.

[@nco6893]

BRO THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[@channelMasterGuiGame]

I don't even know what this video is and i'm an hour and twenty minutes in, I literally did fall asleep to this

[@namesurname624]

@@blindeyedblightmain3565 ++ под траву особенно

[@markiv2942]

I find his voice and the deus ex music very soothing and relaxing. No wonder if you fall asleep.

[@guyincognito566]

Human revolution is an outstanding game, also great soundtrack and I greatly enjoyed the 50% of mankind divided released.

[@crzyces1693]

It's amazing how few people know the extent to which Mankind Divided was gutted. The beginning? Gone and sold as DLC. The last 10 hours of main plot and it's side quests? Pulled for the sequel that was put on hold for 2 Marvel games then shelved indefinitely bc it failed to meet sales expectations. It did sell very poorly it's first 6 months, never cracking the top 10 in sales that year, but ended up selling relatively well at just over 4m copies I believe. Unfortunately for the game's future, many of those were sold at a steep discount (I got mine for $30 on GoG about 6 months after release if I am not mistaken. It may have been Steam, but that doesn't matter, it was cheap and contained all the DLC. They did end up saying that it was too big an ip to keep on the back burner earlier this year, so I'm pretty sure they will make a sequel, especially if Avengers continues to tank and their single player games continue to do well. Heck, almost all quality single player games are doing well. BG3 has sold over a million copies in ridiculously early access (It was pretty darn good), the Tomb Raider games all did well, even if the last one "underperformed" as well, it was still a top 10 selling game that year, AC: O did great, AC: V is doing exceptional, CP 2077 will obviously break records, Red Dead 2, The Last of Us 2, Spiderman 1 and 2...the list goes on and on. I think "never" underestimates how popular and well known Deus Ex is. It could very well put up similar sales figures as TL2, GoW or the Spidey games as it's tri-platform, They just need to avoid all the shenanigans, and they really need to keep micros out unless it has a multiplayer component. The audience for this type of game; The people who buy games like Dragonage, Horizon Zero Dawn and The Witcher) just don't tolerate micro in SP games even if they don't impact the game. The ones in DE:MD were added after the game was done and people still freaked out about them. They (most of us) don't want to see them at all, never mind in our single-player games. The blew it marketing-wise last time, hopefully, when they do release another game, they won't make the same mistakes. I'd like to see a game set after the first. I don't want to see the first remade, as I don't think it will age well, even with a remake. It will either be too easy or too annoying (Lol, I am not waiting for that damn reticle!).

[@tjackson941]

The beginning is even stupider than cut content, it’s not even alluded to in the main story it’s just shit they made up for a crappy preorder bonus. Ivan Berk was never supposed to the game and was made up for the trailer

[@jcdhelios7023]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5aTgX6NmM95p9k Inspired by the Ambient Track of Deus Ex 1, ( enemy within), check this out and help me please to help and save our world - JcD Helios Mo11.01.2021

[@dani.2479]

i love the sound track when you discuss with talos

[@henrik1743]

@@crzyces1693 Damn that is so sad... I loved that game playing it now going through backlog, I really hope embracer can give them a lot of resources and free hands for upcoming deus ex

[@marcino457]

This might be a weird anecdote, but Deus Ex: The Fall actually introduced me into the franchise. I was going away on holiday and bought the game for my iPad to have something to do on the plane. It was in the recommended section on AppStore, and I always heard good things about Deus Ex so I bought it. It actually had pretty positive reviews back then. As a mobile game in 2014, I enjoyed it and it didn't seem unfinished because I assumed the sudden ending was a cliffhanger to get you to buy the PC game. I didn't much care for the story, but the gameplay loop was pretty fun, enough for me to actually buy Human Revolution when I got back home. I loved it, even though it didn't have anything to do with The Fall's story, or maybe because of it. Then I played the original Deus Ex and eventually Mankind Divided when it came out. But yeah, The Fall is pretty garbage if you play it today, even though I still remember it fondly.

[@TheDutchGhost]

I never hated DE The Fall that much even if it is more limited that DE: HR and I actually wanted the storyline to continue as I was curious where it was going to next. I actually did not care that much for Adam Jensen's story. There was something about it that just could not grab me. My favorite DE despite its age remains the original Deus Ex. It is pretty flawed now but I find its world more interesting to explore.

[@psychodrummer1567]

@@TheDutchGhost The correct way to introduce someone who's not into those games is: The Fall, Invisible War, Human Revolution, Mankind Divided and then *DEUS EX* . That way, they end up playing a better game each time.

[@n00b_ninja]

@@psychodrummer1567 lmao so that's how this conversation will go: Me: "dude play the games in this order. Thus you'll play a better game each time!!" **friend plays deus ex: the fall** Friend: "wtf is this shit? crap port, poor controls, anti climatic story... You recommended me this??" Me: "but please play the next one. It's better" **friend plays deus ex: invisible war** Friend: "that's it, I'm out. Deus ex games suck"

[@williamgregg6339]

@@n00b_ninja - Lol.

[@dauntingkitty]

If I remember correctly, human revolution does talk more about how augments affect employment/employability. There was a side quest in lower hengsha where you had to save a prostitute from being augmented against her will, which also gives us a glimpse at how augments can be used by the rich and powerful as a tool to use and manipulate those without power. I’m also pretty sure there were a few dialogue lines talking about how augmented construction workers were being used to build Darrow’s project in Antarctica. I’d imagine that would be an incentive for normal people to seek augmentation as without them they are unable to work on projects such as that one. Plus, Adams augments are state of the art military grade ones that are not available to the public and the game points that out many times, so the point about swords in your arms doesn’t really make sense

[@writershard5065]

Yup, there's also talk of augmentation as medical cures, like having augmented body parts for diseases that target specific organs. Which raises questions about healthcare as an unowned product since here it is delivered via augmented body parts that work only if you pay a subscription fee (neuropozyne).

[@Archeris]

Yeah this part of the critique bothers me. Augments in this game are treated as like performance enhancing Running shoes, or suits. But instead of external, they are internal, part of the body. You can run faster, Sing better, Record stuff with your eyes. There were alot of trailers and ingame advertisements showing the benefits of augmentations outside the army. Although ofc was with everything in the world its a big investor into the research.

[@LoveBuzz04]

WHY did you not talk about the god damn music. I mean ... HR OST is just. ... wow.

[@KnightRaven]

1, HR and mankind divided all have amazing soundtracks

[@TheDeadfast]

@@KnightRaven Hell, even Invisible War has some great tracks.

[@donotevenbegintocare]

FYI the plural of Knight Templar is "Knights Templar"

[@MatPost]

But why is not Knight Templars instead?

[@donotevenbegintocare]

@@MatPost Because there's more than one knight but the Templar organization is just one

[@whocares9033]

Like "attorneys general" for multiple AGs

[@EvernhamNo9]

Mankind Divided is one of my favorite games of the generation. Hope Eidos Montreal gets to make another someday

[@davidbeyerle6996]

I hope so too.

[@GamersAreAtFault]

i just played and finished Deus Ex, the first game, and imo still holds up as a great game in 2022, i was surprised how complex the game is for it's year and how the story flows, i really liked it, now, based on this video, i don't like how Deus Ex evolved and i won't be playing the games, it misses the investigative approach that first game had.

[@TheDutchGhost]

Nice to hear that people who play the original Deus Ex in these last couple of years still find it to be an enjoyable game despite that it looks pretty old now and that some of its gameplay may feel complex or unrefined. I was very disappointed with some of the gameplay changes done after the original such as getting rid of skills. While I think Invisible War had some interesting themes and elements, from a story point of view but also gameplay the game was sadly a major disappointment after really looking forwards to it. I really wish this game was replaced by a new sequel even if I have no idea what direction it would have to go. As for the series after Invisible War. To me it feels more like what designers today feel what the series should be rather than building on the original game. The characters, the storylines, the dialogue, but also the gameplay, the aesthetics and the style of everything. Like the designers wanted to use elements from the original DE such as human augmentation and what shape the future could take, different approaches at going through levels, but preferring to ditch the rest in order to build something that in some ways felt like it had to compete with Metal Gear Solid. But they had to use elements like the Illuminati, Bob Page, a build up towards JC Denton, as otherwise this would not be a DE game. That the original Deus Ex was fine for its time but that the franchise had to be more reflect modern day gaming sensibilities. For example the auto take down button. I think HR and MD should perhaps have been part of a new IP.

[@RudysGarage]

The OG Deus Ex will always be one of my all time favorite games. I love exploring every nook and cranny, and on the next play through I find something new. Fantastic game.

[@alsenar2]

The craziest thing about Deus Ex 1 especially is, that all it's views and comments about our politics and society have become true.

[@Sesshounamaru7]

Mhe... while part of it its true, i feel most of it its simply hyperfocus, no diferent than how people want rerererere-read the bible and claim everything of today's problem was already there.

[@markiv2942]

Well, if you tell a story in very general manner and have concepts like fighting of power, corporatalism, Disenfranchised people, pandemia etc. it eventually hits something in current day. Certain story elements are copied from history and since history is cyclic in nature or it's pretty clear how certain things develop (rich get richer, poor get poorer, etc.) so it's only matter of time they in some way become true. Some of these were even evident when Deus Ex came out in 2000s.

[@1101-f6z]

or like how the twin towers aren't in the game because they were destroyed in a terrorist attack even though it was made before the 9/11 attacks.

[@carso1500]

@Daniel von Strangle as some other has said deus ex is soo scatershooted that it's no surprise he managed to hit some points more taking into account that some of it's criticisms where things that where already happening when the game was made 1984 is a really bad criticism of the future who a lot of people has taken as profetic because it talks loud and mighty, it's popular and well known and has managed to touch some sensible themes of now a days, almost all of the things the book talks about are outright imposible or just silly in real life and the things that it touches that are somewhat real (like goverments legitimaly trying to supervise their own citizens) people blows it soo out of proportion that it losses the message, no things are not going to devolve to 1984 levels only because the goverment follows people on facebook or tries to influence voting elections (and it's not like those things where invented 10 years ago or something) Also nothing bad about globalism, i guess you can say it devalues culture or makes the goverment stronger or some shit like that but even talking through KZbin is globalism and i like my international videos so who cares

[@edgepixel8467]

@@carso1500 Good points. I guess people don't like their crazy theories being downplayed, so you didn’t get likes.

[@thesummerofmark]

God damn, I love the vibe and rhythm of your videos. I’ve been following you since almost the beginning and I’ve watched as your videos and production values have gotten progressively higher. I’ve watched as your channel grew from 5-10k subs to almost 100k now. I really feel like you’re on your way to becoming youtube’s next big video game critic. Keep up the good work, man!

[@joshuacollins385]

I disagree with the interpretation that Mankind Divided is "just about racism". It's about any kind of division that causes one group to fear or hate another, especially when that division is encouraged for politics or profit. Racism is the version of that we see most often, but it's a long way from the only thing that fits that description

[@OrphanCrippler1]

I am completely amazed by how confused you are at people hating the augmented lmao

[@SicSemperBeats]

they gotta find a way to end the Jenson trilogy man. like honestly i think that is my all time favorite fictional interpretation of the future. very few non-shooter games actually try to incorporate real life groups and corporations in to the story and gameplay and its just so cool to see. long live the deus ex universe

[@Sifer2]

Maybe if the IP wasn't owned by who it currently is. I don't have much hope though. Japanese publishers that buy western IP's usually only give them one chance to make money, and if they don't they just put it in storage. Really if I owned the IP I would be funding a remaster of HR to fix the issues of no definitive version. Then completed version of mankind divided. Then finally a faithful remake of the original.

[@hiranmaydas4921]

Yeah. I wanna witness how Task Force 29 evolves into UNATCO and the birth of nano-augmentation. And Majestic-12 betraying the Illuminati.

[@Th3BigBoy]

Why is the tech seemingly worse in JC Denton time as compared to Jenson?

[@SicSemperBeats]

@@Th3BigBoy lmao because the original game was made in the 90's and they didn't plan for a prequel...at least not one being made over a decade later by different people.

[@Th3BigBoy]

@Sic Semper Beats I'm asking about in universe. I heard there was an in universe explanation but I don't know what it is. I couldn't play MD because of technical issues at the time iirc.

[@Snow.Frostborne_Ch]

It's kinda dumb but can you imagine an immersive sim that as a character you've got a life, bills and so on. So when you turn on all your lights and leave the water running while your out playing the game at the end of the in game month your hit with a massive utilities bill you've got to deal teaching you that even small actions in game can lead to big consequences.

[@Charlakin]

That reminds me of My Summer Car which I don't know much about besides those features.

[@babafrog1877]

Could you imagine in the Unatco sections of the game manderley bills you for government services youve used. Detracting it from your pay

[@jirikrajnak9047]

"i never asked for this"

[@hiranmaydas4921]

Sims?

[@deanchur]

Manderley: "Here's the bill for all the government services you wasted" JC: "I can't afford this!" Manderley: "Maybe you should get a job" JC: "Hey wait, wha-?"

[@kintustis]

38:05 "there's a clear message behind Deus Ex: ... it's simply to **be skeptical of power**" probably the simplest description of my political stance I've ever heard

[@TheWiseWombat]

you mean you're left/right libertarian

[@kintustis]

@@TheWiseWombat no

[@Grandmastergav86]

Ahhh bless, he thinks the Government cares about him 🤣

[@brilobox2]

Nobody thinks the Govt cares about them specifically, and they don’t care because they know at least their family probably cares about them. But a Govt that is even nominally democratic does care about people not being angry or aimless enough to revolt and keep able to pay taxes, since the people who pay taxes and keep them in office are the ‘natural resources’ that enrich the nation and them by extent. Maybe the American Govt seems so dysfunctional because of having to both wrangle the states, and the institutional corruption allowing corporate interests to play puppeteer behind the scenes.

[@Grandmastergav86]

@@brilobox2 A level of concern on their part is implied by his sentiment. I'd like to think that your opening statement is accurate but looking at the current Youth culture, I think many are so disaffected discernment almost doesn't occur to them. Frightening times.

[@Grandmastergav86]

@tite mikes They definitely use politics to divide, I'd agree. Look at the state of the US...Wow!

[@sandwichboy1268]

My favorite part of Mankind Divided was the paranoia. tbh at one point I thought that I might even be the mole, being unwittingly manipulated into it by the Juggernaut Collective

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

It’s funny that you should think that considering the canonical plot of the game, you might’ve been onto something.

[@Styner09]

On my first play, I wondered something similar.

[@traceyrinaldi4759]

​​@@justanotheryoutubechannel I still think the Jensen we play as in MD is a clone of the Jensen who "died" at the end of HR. I think of it like a test for Project D so MJ12 could master and fully understand Jensens genetic potential while preparing Nano augs in the future.

[@preysidius190]

I thought this as well. His takes on the comparison to MGS2 felt right on to me. IE Adam Jensen (Clone?) was an unwilling participant and tool just being manipulated by two different sides taking shots at each other.

[@tsudonge]

I don't agree at all with your criticism of Human Revolution's justification for people getting augments at all. You gave good reasons why you in particular wouldn't want augmentations, but desiring superhuman physicality is not rare whatsoever. People aspire to be physically superior to others all the time, it's part of why people work out and do athletics. Additionally, even if only one percent of people got augments, that's still tens if not hundreds of millions of extremely visible augmented supermen walking around drawing attention to themselves. Augments apart from physicality are also shown even apart from the one example you gave. Jensen himself can use augments to artificially help persuade people, or better interface with technology. Many of the augs in the game dont even show visible signs of augmentation, which suggests more subtle implants. great video though i enjoyed it

[@tylergalligani6450]

I think you're underestimating how many people actually do not give a shit about all that superiority and hitting the gym constantly kinda stuff... Even among people who work out a lot, I think you're misinterpreting this as primarily a desire for superiority. Many people who work out are just doing it for their own personal health. I do not agree with your critique

[@tsudonge]

@@tylergalligani6450 I work at a gym, the desire to be athletically competitive is legitimately probably the number 1 motivator for a lot of men who work out. This is a natural desire for healthy male humans, and if you don't believe me it's found everywhere in popular culture and even folklore. Many people want to be the best they can be, and to be the strongest.

[@tylergalligani6450]

@@tsudonge you work at a gym

[@tsudonge]

​@@tylergalligani6450 i dont believe you

[@tylergalligani6450]

@@tsudonge I'm saying your sample population is therefore inherently biased, is it not?

[@tommero6584]

How do you upload every month? This is insane with how good these videos are!

[@NeverKnowsBest]

With difficulty. This video and the crpg guide video where started more than a month in advance, and next month won't have a video. Glad you enjoy them though.

[@tommero6584]

@@NeverKnowsBest Wow. You are an inspiration. If I may ask something else, where does your insane experience with RPG's come from? You know almost anything about everything it seems.

[@NeverKnowsBest]

@@tommero6584 Nowhere special, I just started playing them as a kid and kept playing them as an adult.

[@joshuacollins385]

"some kind of magic GPS system to track your every move and signpost your destination" Modern GPS can pretty much do that anyway. It's not hard to believe that in the far flung future of 2027 GPS will be slightly better than it is now, going to very zoomed out satellite images that don't show enemy locations seems like a step backwards if anything. What I do like the idea of is JC starting the game with a modern minimap and quest system, but needing to give it up to avoid being tracked.

[@49mozzer]

An maybe we'll get fancy augs an flying cities as well. Or whatever that floating thing is in China.

[@revel3314]

Plot twist: these super dystopian government conspiracies you reference? They're already happening.

[@soulmechanics7946]

I never forgot "The Fall". It was the first experience I ever had of a truly awesome game on mobile. It was supposed to have been releasing further episodes but got cancelled. It is a sham e, could have been something.. new.

[@shiluk84]

As a person who recently replayed mankind divided, i would like to comment on the augs-racism-bad/unrealistic point. In my opinion, game shows not only the concept of "racism bad" but, more importantly, concept of how far humanity can go of false pretenses. All the hate for augs is not only because they are augmented, but because of incident where EVERY augmented person on the planet turned into crazy killing machine out of nowhere. General population never learned that signal was sent by one person. Everyone just assumed it was some kinf of a glitch which may happen again at any point. And the fact that it was a vulnerability developed by a corporation, was deliberately hidden by picus(the reporter from end cutscenes), which seems to be, if not the only, biggest news channel in the world, which is controlled by illuminati we see how anti-aug narrative is sold throughout the game in small reports on the TV'S. Calling them "clanks" and "tools" is an extension of fear that "naturals" feel as well as need to point how augs are "lesser people" to get some feeling of superiority (which is, by itself, pretty close to racism) despite the fact that those people are not responsible. Closest thing that can come up to my head is an i creased suspicion to arabs after 9/11 in US(came to my head because of the "controversy" of original Deus ex not having twin towers before the attack happened. End now imagine if, at least, 80% of human population were personally affected by that. I can guarantee, hate levels would skyrocket, regardless of what social group would commit such act. Hell look at people sending death threats to people in CDPR after Cyberpunk delay.or Naughty dog after release of LoU2. Sure death threats and oppression are not the same, but here nobody died(or even got harmed in any meaningful way) and still some people started to hate o es even slightly related TL;DR: Mankind divided, IMO, is less about racism and more about how humans can start hating each other out of the blue because people in power manipulated information (which is very relevant)

[@GeorgesSegundo]

Great argument brother.

[@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE]

Vaxed and Unvaxed I think is an even closer analogy. Individuals we're targeted for ridicule, fear and hate by heads of state ffs. I had family members ban me from their homes and now it's like nothing even happened no apologies no admittance that they went abit to far. I didn't tell anyone not to get it, I just didn't feel the need to get it myself and I didn't get covid and more and more has come out to back up the fact that they rushed out a faulty product at best.

[@MrScratch69]

Manipulation and people being unaware that they are being manipulated. You nailed it.

[@WeebSlayer71]

The games is about the concept of discrimination as a whole, it doesn't really have to be as specific as racism or augmented people. Because even augmented people in Golem City have a vendetta-like lines of thought on rich naturals and corpos.

[@cha14cha14]

One thing that wasn't mentioned: Alex D from Invisible War can be a woman too Also, boss fights in HR are a step down from Deus Ex 1 because they offer little choice in how to handle them, this is mostly due to boss fights being outsourced to another company. In the original Deus Ex most bosses have a kill phrase that allows the more methodical or tactical players to quickly achieve victory, and Anna can be killed with a preemptive mine in the airplane skipping the whole conversation.

[@807D14M0ND5]

Wasn't this one of the things changed in the directors cut edition?

[@seva4370]

@@807D14M0ND5 yes, it is better but still meh. IMO, the easiest way is to spend 3 points on typhoon and quickly spam it to kill bosses.

[@cha14cha14]

@@807D14M0ND5 It was made easier to hide, find weapons, ammo and explosive barrels. But you still end up murdering bosses, despite role playing a pacifist. Even the pacifist achievement says "excluding boss fights". In Mankind Divided the last boss can be knocked out, kill phrased and directly killed. The serial killer sub-boss can be reasoned with to surrender, given you completed certain optional objectives.

[@blindeyedblightmain3565]

@@cha14cha14 I mean you have to kill every boss in OG Deus Ex as well, even if you are playing as a pacifist. Director's cut added a lot of optional ways to defeat them outside of shooting or typhooning them to hell. I like the fact that there are dudes who can't be talked out of wrongdoing. That adds some realism and stakes to the confrontations.

[@cha14cha14]

@@blindeyedblightmain3565 True, but OG Deus Ex didn't encourage a pacifist or ghost playstyle by rewarding higher xp, only to sweep the rug from under the feet during boss fights quite like HR did.

[@Erebus_the_trustworthy]

"I did ask for this" - Adam Jensen

[@user-hm4yi7um9d]

The more time passes, the more I think we're heading into deus ex instead of fallout.

[@friggindoc]

THE INCIDENT! Augs freaked out and started killing randomly. Its not really strange that people dont trust augmented people...

[@Kralchen]

Great video and congrats for getting a sponsor, since KZbin monetization incentivizes the opposite of long format videos. Good luck with your next project, which will be quite the endeavor I imagine and have a happy new year.

[@Morellen]

21:40 - "He almost starts to sound like he's talking a lot of sense until you remember he's a terrorist" That doesn't mean anything though, the points he makes are still completely valid lmfao

[@generalmod]

He was being ironic

[@Morellen]

@@generalmod debatable considering the other (albeit small) political stuff he's said in his videos

[@Oliver-ty7xu]

@@Morellen He is being ironic. And he's also talking from the perspective of JC Denton.

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

The plot is that you work for the bad guys and the terrorists are less evil.

[@Lshaw89]

Mankind Divided was such a dissappointment for me, they were clearly in conflict with making a sequel and square enix demanding higher sales and new players. Explains why the story never went anywhere and barely any of the original characters returned outside DLC

[@mh1593]

I wonder if Square Enix were pressured by a certain shadowy group to push for high sales expectations, so the franchise was doomed to failure due, maybe due to its subject matter..... ;)

[@SicSemperBeats]

funny thing about your comment. I was having an amazing time with Mankind Divided for like 6 hours because the gameplay and stealth/flow is the best in the series imo but then i realized that the story hadnt gone anywhere. and then sooner or later it ended right as it was getting interesting. the story almost feels unfinished.

[@BestintheWest25]

I agree about SQEX mismanagement, but I don’t think the narrative that the games story is unfinished is entirely fair, yes it is setting up a third act, but Mankind Divideds main plot is about Marchenko and his group, and that story wrapped up by the end. Most current triple a games are far more egregious in leaving main plot points unresolved for future installments.

[@blumiu2426]

@@BestintheWest25 It actually was a rushed project they weren't able to spend time on.

[@n00b_ninja]

@@blumiu2426 can somebody tell me what happened to the dude from the announcement trailer in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided? The one who was wearing a hoodie and was seen with Marchenko... I never saw him in-game

[@googlewolly]

1:17:57 is a very good point that I often also mention. Some games may give you the option to disable quest markers, but if the game is built from the ground up with them in mind, disabling them likely won't have the same effect as if the game was made without them in mind.

[@maxpolaris6616]

”What a shame” *lip smack* ”What a rotten way to die”

[@marshmellowbit3]

"Unproven conspiracies" Oh ye of little faith

[@brosephnoonan223]

"Unproven Conspiracies" A concerted efforted has been taken to disprove such conspiracies! What an odd thing to spend so much time (and money) on fighting...

[@ohamatchhams]

@@brosephnoonan223 Facebook and twitter fact-checking systems and algorithm is the most recent development in a long line since Post-WW2 to post-Cold War environments of modern eras

[@brosephnoonan223]

@@ohamatchhams One can only wonder why...

[@brosephnoonan223]

@Toxic Potato I was being fecious. I know *precisely* why. The commentary ismt even about a virus, which an interesting projection to make in a thread where there has been literally *NO* mention of it until *you* took to that.

[@brucesnow7125]

@@brosephnoonan223 media also spends a lot of time to give focus to insane parts of the conspiracies. This makes people associate those radical ideas with the certain conspiracy whenever it is brought up, pushing them away from the original idea. Like, for example, whenever anyone talks about 1% having too much power, you get people saying "Oh, you believe in lizard people too huh?". Media basically makes conspiracies sound more radical than they are through these dumb associations with weird ideas. Here's a conspiracy - whenever there's a tangible theory, corporations and governments are the ones that come up with crazy nonsense and then give them most attention. That way, original theory gets bogged down and dismissed by most people.

[@kennanblake1562]

I fell in love with Mankind Divided. I'd never played such an open game with so many choices and the fact it was first person for some reason made it more impact full. But I HAVE to go back and play the old games I see. They may be clunky and unpolished but those are the kind of old games I love. Janky mechanics to take advantage of! Or vice versa lol. Plus the story just looks too good to pass up

[@cheezemansam9567]

A review of every major Immersive Sim from the last ten years when?

[@mh1593]

join his Patreon and you'll get an answer :-p

[@lyadh0451]

You mean review of Arkane games?

[@Jesion-kv9tu]

I'm for it as that means he will have to play Underworld Ascendant

[@carso1500]

So like 3/4 games

[@fouadalkhamy6413]

Fun fact: Once the lockdown became harsher a few months ago..... Elon Musk Posted Deus Ex's cover picture without caption...

[@hectorandem2944]

So....?

[@Luemm3l]

Elon Musk is one one hand the likes of David Sarif, and on the other sometimes real dumb too...

[@Sifer2]

@tite mikes Honestly I miss the innocent 90's/00's conspiracy era. Where the worst thing we had to worry about were Aliens. Now in 2020 I know Aliens don't exist, and it's just Sociopath Satanic cultist that rule the world which is actually scarier.

[@CloakofAuron]

@tite mikes Kind of funny that you touch upon this. UFO/Alien documentaries make comparisons between stories of the fae, demons, spirits, and angels before saying "it's possible that these were past cultures' attempts to make sense of their abductions by extraterrestrials.". Well, if we're going off of the literal definition of that term...angels, demons, spirits, the fae, etc., are all extraterrestrials by way of being outside of our realm of existence. Basically pulling an Overton Window to reframe the discussion and focus attention in a desired direction.

[@dipman785]

This was fantastic! Agree with almost everything stated here. My only point of contention though is that the cause of Aug racism in MK was pretty clear to me: the Aug Incident caused the majority of augmented people to go on murderous rampages. Witnessing that would give PTSD and Aug-phobia to a large number of people. Even if they knew that it wasn't technically Augs' fault, it would still provoke them to fear augs on an instinctual level. It was also called out at the beginning of the game that Prague was uniquely anti-Aug compared to the rest of the world, which is another reason why the racism was dialed up to 11 in the game.

[@oplawlz]

Was about to type the same thing: while there is a metaphor for racism in the game it's clear that the resentment was different than just seeing one group as "other". Leaders were using the fears that it could happen again to stir up the populace and increase their political power.

[@viderevero1338]

His whole point on racism in the game was by far the worst part of the video.

[@Aemond2024]

The devilishly based and ironic part of this is that the games view on racism as being a reaction to actions of the group and not an irrational fear is very realistic.

[@Some_Guy_87]

What timing, I just started playing Human Revolution again and a few days later this pops up :). Some points of a small voice that doesn't matter: - Regarding Deus Ex 1, hacking was actually the skill I first maxed. It is not necessary to access stuff in general, but hidden behind hacking is also a great amount of worldbuilding through E-mails, and the time limits to read them are extremely annoying for immersion. That's also one thing I absolutely LOVED about the original : Newspapers, mails, notes, books - there's tons of stuff lying around fleshing out the world you are in, and in most cases they are very interesting to read. I still remember some "advertisement" to essentially get a big amount of money for your family if you kill yourself so that insurances remain stable - it's grotesque, but a surprisingly interesting joke considering the growing issues of overaging. It's just a smart game through and through, something I never experienced to this degree again ever. - I'm ashamed to say I quite enjoyed Invisible War. Imho it was a fun game and I played through it several times. As is often the case, it just suffered from being called Deus Ex, and the way they dumbed down JC rubbed me the wrong way. - Human Revolution: I actually agree with the boss fights. Even with 0 skills in combat the fights were still very manageable, and I was quite proud of myself when I e.g. used the environment to my advantage in the Barrett fight to overwhelm him due to me not being able to gun him down. Now that I'm replaying the Director's Cut I don't see much value added with the new options, it just seems ridiculously easy now. What I didn't like about them was just that they were just that - boss fights. Coming from the way you can defeat bosses in the original earlier if you pay attention it just seemed disappointing to just be thrown in front of a boss in a designated fighting area without meeting them earlier on. But that is a minor thing and in general I absolutely love this game and think it's a worthy entry to the series. The art style is absolutely amazing and combined with the music stunningly beautiful, the game even inspired me in my home decoration (plant-like lights, my gaming area is also black/gold). I still remember getting goosebumps when the Penthouse track started playing combined with the stunning visuals of it. A+ for that. I quite enjoyed the augmentation plot in general and found it a great gap to use from the original game, where augmented people basically were second-class citizens of forgotten times. Imho the game also makes enough points to answer why people augment themselves: If they don't, they fall behind everywhere. Noone is interested in non-augmented workers in well-paid jobs, art is starting to be dominated by augmented people, even sexuality-wise people got accustomed to the higher standards offered by augmentation and "aug fetishes" seem common. The point, for me, was that the initially optional thing becomes more and more mandatory in order to keep up in society, and I found that idea quite intriguing. While I agree the ending choices were a bit meh, it was a bit evened out for me by the style of the ending videos...they just got me with the atmosphere they built up during them. - Mankind Divided: Honestly, I was surprised how much you had to say about the story. I remember 0 of it and just have it in my memory that it ended when I thought it would just really start. The clear star was the level design in Prague - I especially loved how every single apartment had a story to tell, even to the point of finding out personal details of your coworkers accidentally just by exploring random apartments. Unfortunately the price for this was a disappointing main game. One thing I always missed in general in this series is emotional moments. Despite the dystopian premise, you never really feel for anyone. I would have hoped for some successor to go a bit into the Philip K. Dick style and explore the emotional impact of technology a bit more. Jensen's struggle with augmentation in HR was a great opportunity that - as you mentioned - was just not taken. This seems to be a thing with SciFi games in general, they usually go more by the rule of cool rather than diving into emotional areas. I really hope Cyberpunk will take up on this, but what I've seen so far looks like yet another rule of cool entry unfortunately. Getting detached from your body, a feeling of emptiness when all your desires can be fulfilled with the click of a button etc. are all great topics for emotional explorations that this series just never takes despite having the fitting topics. Anyways: Amazing video, I can't believe I just watched two hours of someone talking about a game series without pause. Great summary of the series and portrayed in an engaging way.

[@blindeyedblightmain3565]

I've decided to play the series a few months back starting with the mainline games first and so far this is incredible. Even if pacing and some themes in the first Deus Ex do clash, it still is an amazing game to me, where I thoroughly enjoyed 60% of it. Now playing Human Revolution and I must say, as an immersive Sim fan, this is one of the greatest games that I've played. Artstyle, OST, character writing, world building, gameplay - everything is amazing. Now I am very sad, knowing that Mankind Divided is a half of a game at best, ending in a cliffhanger with no continuation in sight. Although maybe since Avengers did fail, Squre Enix will let the developers to finish this series proper.

[@renardmccrary8395]

@Some Guy I would hope Square Enix sells the rights to the game to Arkane Studios or Obsidian ^^ But that is a pipe dream for another time. First DX game, even with its clunky battle and A.I. was extremely immersive and accessible. The story, aside from when they went WAY into the conspiracy portion (The Greys), was amazing as well as the final choices one had to make. The sequel...man, I played it only because it was the only DX sequel I knew of at the time xD Tried to play it now and the loading times plus the smaller levels really bummed me out. It is not the worse game out there for sure, just disappointing. If it was re-done with larger levels, individual ammo loadouts, skill system returning, and the choice of faction actually making an in-game difference... Which DX:HR seems to have done in a certain way. Love the art style, improved battle mechaics, voice-acting...wish that the players would have been able to further explore Upper Heng-Sha and the cut Montreal Hub but ah well. I do agree that the Boss fights were...forced in. Not so much that they should have had more ways to take out the boss, but rather, how to MEET the boss. " Coming from the way you can defeat bosses in the original earlier if you pay attention it just seemed disappointing to just be thrown in front of a boss in a designated fighting area without meeting them earlier on" ...exactly! It would be different if we met with Barrett (the first boss in HR) outside when we overhear him talking to the other Tyrant agent dude, with all the infantry supporting him, BUT with the boxes blocking his field of view compared to later on being ambushed by him in that open area. Or maybe even finding something in a broadcast that would help him find a loved one that the Tyrants are hiding away from him so you can convince him to work with you INSTEAD of fighting. Having those options would have been way better than what Square Enix delivered. DX:MD...ah, this was definitely a game that was a Middle Child of a supposed "trilogy". Time to really evaluate who to trust, who Jensen is, and just all of these other factors yet never get too deep into any of it. Though the main story is difficult to follow because the side stories are all so interesting! Though Prague itself is a beautiful area, I missed being able to traverse to other Hubs of other globe-trotting places and explore how other countries are seeing the result of an augmented world. Plus the way Square Enix butchered the game, laid it out with the in-game transactions, the story elements, and actors (they replaced Sarif's voice actor and I still have not recovered x) )... Deus Ex is not going to be the next Halo, or Call of Duty. It is not a series for that. For them to attempt to monetize it in that manner felt ... wrong. Messing with it, especially considering the game is about "those in Power" attempting to steal from those who do not have it (money) felt hypocritical. And NKB described it greatly when it came to the Augmentations/Racism angle. It could have been a whole lot more (while also tugging at those threads) but the focus did not get to expand too much (which granted, could have been a whole lot worse). Otherwise, I so want Deus Ex to finish and if it does not, guess I'll have to make a spiritual successor to it someday x)

[@WanderingPropeller]

@@blindeyedblightmain3565 don’t know if you ended playing MD also, but after two playthroughs I have to say it’s a definitive gaming experience for me, despite its butchered status. Immersion factor is unreal, and I was maybe a bit surprised by the completeness of the story experience by the end of my 2nd playthrough, with foiling Marchenko and his cronies. Jensen got his guy…kind of reminded me of True Detective S1’s resolution. Have to say that going back to HR after it was a surprising struggle, given the improvements MD brings to the table.

[@Slyslug]

If you think mankind divided wouldn't happen in today's political climate i would like to point you to the U.S.

[@tlaloqq]

Yeah I really like this video but his views are a bit short sighted. Always had stupid bigots say stuff cus I’m Latino but after trump won it was like shifting into a different universe full of trailer trash simpletons 😅😅

[@CyborgSodaCollects]

Adam Jensen is probably the coolest protagonist in the last ten years.

[@DaboooogA]

To anyone considering replaying Deus Ex after watching this, I'd highly recommend the New Vision 2.0 mod, which uses AI to upscale the game's textures and the result is too impressive for words!

[@dallesamllhals9161]

GMDX

[@RainCloudVideos]

GMDX community update + dx11 renderer + Helios texture overhaul is basically Deus Ex Definitive Edition/remastered

[@nickalotdegit]

I hear the "HDTP" (High Definite Texture Pack) Mod' for the 1st game is *at last* nearly finished...

[@Aemond2024]

Ive tried everything but cant get the game to work on my laptop till this day

[@mothwings8795]

Listening to this in 2022 and finding that the story is uh. Well that's a thing. We gotta ask the writers what magic they use to see the future.

[@BinaryDood]

Malick's death was the saddest in any game... because it felt it was my fault

[@TheMrDewil]

Oh, but it wasn't. It was her choice and she was ready to face consequences. She lived and died for things she believed in. And that is a lot more than can be said about IRL people nowadays.

[@cookieface80]

@@TheMrDewil Except that you can save her, so it totally is your fault.

[@Heeroyui752]

I really appreciate you going through all of the games and commenting on every element: story, design, logic, writing and how you eloquently explored each and every aspect. Even when I found myself disagreeing with some of your opinion (largely around your criticism of the games use of slurs--they are as you rightfully say idiotic words but IRL slurs when you look at their etymology are just as braindead as the people who use them), your arguments were grounded in fact and with respect to the franchise, and you would always qualify your views by saying "I think", "In my opinion", "for me." Which is very different from many of the detractors you rightly criticize who took their opinions as gospel, and your defense of the boss battles in DEHR was spot-on. Actions, such as how you choose to level your character, has consequences and its irrational to complain about a result you could've avoided had you prepared properly. As an aside I focused on a balanced build with an emphasis on stealth was still viable even in those boss battles. One aspect I would've wanted to see was the whole control chip reference to the original Deus Ex in DEHR. Right after you return to Hensha for the second time I believe, you start experiencing software bugs--well all augmented people do at the same time. Pritchard says you should get it looked at, but you're never forced to. If you do get the new chip, Zhao basically shuts you down for the Namir boss fight. If you don't get it, you can fight him at full power, and you're rewarded with a cutscene featuring Zhao's shock that her "Killswitch" didn't work, because you kept playing with those minor software bugs created by the Illuminati to goad you into receiving it. But ultimately it ties into your greater point of how DEHR returned to the series' emphasis on choice, making the inclusion ultimately unnecessary. DE is really one of my favorite franchises of all time, up there with MGS, Splinter Cell, Syphon Filter, and Halo. And you did the franchise justice, and can tell you're as big of a fan if not a bigger fan than I, as I've only played the first two and completed the latter two (my first DE was actually HR) and I wouldn't have made a video like this! You get a subscribe and if we get another Deus Ex, I certainly look forward to your review! Cheers

[@saibgassanov3378]

You don't know how happy this makes me. As someone who both loves DE and your format

[@LokiYD]

What an expensive mistake you turned out to be, another 50 billion dollars down the drain..

[@vincentbatten4686]

"There isn't much time to build cybernetic augments or a universal gold filter over everything..." Hahaha, thank you for the dead dry delivery of that line. My favorite part of this year.

[@renzocabarco472]

I think with the base Human Revolution version, the problem was the first boss. All of the others seem to be fine because at that point you have a decently sizeable arsenal and can develop your own strategies against them, even as a non-lethal sneak speech kind of guy. You had no option against this rootin-tootin' machingun armed man beast except run around and shoot him with your futility until he destroys the covers you hid on. I feel like the mandatory boss sections just hinder your progress, and turn into a nuisance when you are locked out of the rest of the game for choosing how you built Adam. They're not bad by themselves but when they're meant to be done only one specifically way, it just becomes infuriating. Why not have the consequences of your choices be a longer way around, like having to accomplish a longer winded branch mission that doesn't show up on the HUD to give you more options and encourage exploration? The other ones weren't as intrusive as the Barrett one.

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

The first boss was definitely the worst one but they all and the same issue, it was definitely possible to get good guns before the first boss but most players didn’t, including me, I played stealthily and went into it with a revolver, 10mm pistol, and a variety of sniping and stealth weapons. I got completely wrecked by the boss numerous times and was unable to get anywhere, eventually I changed tactic, dropped my sniper, and found a machine pistol in the boss room and ran around in circles shooting as much as possible and just barely won. Future bosses were a lot less difficult though, as I knew by then that you can’t win with just stealth, so I put some points into dermal armour and carried a heavy cannon with me the entire time, but that doesn’t really fix the issue, it just meant I was able to win and progress, I would’ve loved them a lot more if there was any kind of other option at all.

[@LunaPPK]

Reminder deus ex died for that trash avengers game

[@bofad6074]

The exact moment this game blew my mind was looking up a guide and finding out about the real majestic 12. so cool and unnecessary

[@WanderingPropeller]

Highly recommend Threadbare’s Deus Ex Lecture Series, then: kzbin.info/aero/PL9H-oYsI40xb7gcRVeZ9cTWamY7kWDPV9

[@acn1580]

I think you're the first person that i've heard speak positively regarding the boss fights in HR, and I gotta say, you kinda convinced me. I think there's a tendency for players to say they WANT meaningful choices and consequences while at the same time complaining when they can't experience all the content of game in a single run through, or that their choices made some content harder.

[@williamgregg6339]

If a sequel comes out they will complain that it's the same game just with updated graphics asking why they didn't make any changes to the game. Then if they make changes they say "the game was fine you should have just updated the graphics". Lol.

[@WanderingPropeller]

I remember playing through them during my first playthrough and very much enjoying the variety and change of pace from stealth, hacking and KO-ing mooks.

[@Dr.Quarex]

The problem was that the first boss stomped you into the ground if you were not a combat character and there seemed no way around it. I did not experience this myself, as I even went so far as to use non-lethal methods on them to preserve my non-lethal playthrough--not that they ended up counting even if you killed them--but I bet there were plenty of people who stopped playing then because they thought it was a dead end trap for non-combat characters

[@acn1580]

@@Dr.Quarex This is fair. The problem then isn't that there's a combat focused boss, it's that the only outcome for not being able to deal with a combat focused boss is a game over, potentially forever for that save file. The best option then, in my two seconds of pondering the problem, is make losing to a boss that you weren't prepared to deal with, not the end of the game. Have some other outcome that punishes you for failure, but allows the store and the game to carry on.

[@whocares9033]

You can trivialize EVERY boss fight by taking just one perk: Typhoon One or two shots to kill ANY boss in that game They had a special demonstration about it at the beginning that you can't skip, too "But I want to go through the game as a pacifist" ok, then get killed like one

[@BucklingSwashes]

Can confirm that Mankind Divided's moment in TF29 where the one guy (can't think of his name) says he's noticed you snooping around is entirely dependent on whether you've been doing a lot of that. In my second playthrough I had avoided hacking any computers in the office at all and that conservation was much different as a result.

[@bournecode]

The IT guy maybe....its been a long time...but I feel ya

[@orestes0883]

Stopped watching when you defended the atrocious, farmed out bossfights in HR. They were garbage no matter what your build, and forcing people attempting pacifist runs (which *you* created an achievement for) to kill bosses with guns is bad game design, period full stop. If you build a game that you claim "encourages player choice", and then take away or invalidate that choice in the most important moments of your game, you don't actually have a game that encourages player choice.

[@markvergara]

Aside from HL, deus ex human revolution is one of my favorite gaming memories of all time.

[@vivavideo-videofilmer]

Such a great game.

[@lomborg4876]

Imagine a remake of the original (Like how they remade Resident Evil 2 & 3)

[@CaptainEggcellent]

2 hour long video talking about some of my favourite games? Sign me up!

[@henrycrabs3497]

SILENCE VERIFIED

[@IshioRamo]

im surprised you didnt talk about the hiron project and its similarities to what stanek did with the religious group haha and im seeing a lot of "racism" with people who arent getting vaccinated which feels pretty similar to how augs were treated in the game.

[@Nick-ww2hq]

NKB just dropping by to say, man, this was awesome. Essentially a documentary on Deus Ex, one of my favorite franchises ever. Cannot say how many times I have clocked DXHR and DXMD, but it's at least 10-20 between both titles. Really nice to see this retrospective, you've got a sub from me and I will be checking out your other content as I have already noticed a few more I am keen to watch. Thanks for making excellent content.

[@HunterTinsley]

Enjoyed it. I _will_ say, it is made quite clear in DX that the "grays" are man made. They're not aliens. Also, fem Alex D. is a much better character, IMO.

[@EspressoStalinist]

Man, please continue these series retrospectives. They're amazing! Consider doing Elder Scrolls and Mass Effect.

[@Preserbius]

Catch the outro music at 2:10:01

[@midnightfenrir]

I hated the energy recharge in human revolution. It was one of the major issues I had with the game past the mid point as a large part of my inventory became dedicated to energy bars. One of the things I did like about the directors cut is they made the recharge apply to two bars.

[@ShaitanAI]

I have a thought on the subject of quest markers in the modern games. For me they are quite useful for two different reasons. For players that are new to the genre, they provide familiarity, comfort and guidance. They do make exploration optional but they can also enable a sense of freedom to explore since the player doesn't have to worry about being lost in levels that are quite different from all the other games out there. For me as an experienced player, the quest markers indicated the areas where I shouldn't go until I explored everything. With markers present I can feel free to explore knowing that I won't trigger an event that would potentially stop me from doing it.

[@WanderingPropeller]

Excellent points - while he was making his point about the maps in HR and MD, I kept trying to remember if I ever used them once while playing these games. I found exploration to just be so rewarding that I completely forgot about the actual maps.

[@LiteralmenteFadul]

Idk why, but I love mankind devided so much.

[@OrangeDog20]

"This video will look at every Deus Ex game released to date" . . . The Fall: "Guys?"

[@markiv2942]

IT did so in few minutes and that's too much for The Fall.

[@NicheGames]

It doesn't exist :)

[@Stygiophobic]

I'm glad this popped up in my recommended. Never seen your channel before. Instant sub, loving the vids!

[@CharlatanWonder]

Oh hey I'm in this!

[@WifeWantsAWizard]

(1:45:40) The question, "This is NAZI Germany 2.0 and everyone is just okay with that, but why?" requires the answer to the question, "Why was everyone okay with NAZI Germany 1.0 at the time?"

[@amazinghorizon8270]

Most weren't. That is why we had WW2, because enough people did not accept Nazi Germany, such that they even went to war with them. And you just have to look at all the resistance movements within Germany to see that even under the threat of extermination, A LOT of people were not fine with it.

[@MagSpud12]

Always bums me out that Mankind Divided did so poorly (comparatively speaking) - would have loved to see more of this universe.

[@807D14M0ND5]

I picked up a new copy of MD for 3€ I get sad thinking about it.

[@JP-kp3uv]

Thanks for including all the games in the series, and not just the first, you spoil us.

[@Ikenhauer]

NKB: "Deus Ex is overly generous with the items it gives you, which forces you to make choices that actually matter". JC: "Give me the GEP gun".

[@LeodiAstoriaXIII]

I really hope there will be more Deus Ex game, I love Mankind Divided.

[@otakon17]

1:12:12 the issue was there was only ONE WAY TO BEAT THE BOSSES: SHOOT IT A TON AND DON'T GET SHOT TO HELL! This was especially egregious with the first boss who is a literal tank on two legs armed with an GAU-8/A Avenger for an arm.

[@zaratustra00]

Immersive Sim definition: Being able to pick up an unimportant objects and turn on bathroom taps for no reason.

[@dorsia6938]

I'm kind of disappointed that you never discussed the soundtrack, Human Revolution's soundtrack is probably one of the best video game soundtracks of that era (IMO). Michael McCann did some masterful work

[@adrienlamotte3051]

NKB's makes videos of astounding quality. The amount of work needed to even just play the games and gather information is just immense, but on top of that this dude produces insightful, thorough commentary on just about every aspect of the games he covers. And the production quality is on point, not unnecessarily over the top. All that work for an ASMR channel, it's crazy.

[@AzaelVI]

Some feedback.....you're focusing far too much on criticism. Constructive or otherwise. It's a theme I also heard in your Fallout retrospective. It's fine to point out issues you have but it's easily two thirds of the video. Try focusing on the positive.

[@chenoir]

About the appeal of augments, you only see the Jensen side of them. But augments in the game diegese are for everything. Workers are being augmented to be able to lift heavier charges and work in difficult conditions. And that poses a question about how do you compete in a saturated job market if you're not willing to get yourself augmented and have that edge. Prostitutes are being forced to be augmented by human traffickers because there is an "Augmented' kink developping. Journalists and politicians use social augments to be able to sweet talk their way into about everything. And ocular implants because they allow for journalism work on the down-low. All in all, I find that HR and MD's augment subject is not that badly developed, quite the contrary in fact. And about the hatred in MD, it's pretty simple. Fear. People died at the hands of augmented people, and even if it's proven to not be their fault, you'll always have a certain amount of defiance toward augmented people. If they're that vulnerable to hacking, who knows what could happen. And when humans fear, they reject. And they find any way possible to justify this hatred, and rationalize it. To the point of systematically enforce it. To take your analogy of self-driving car, if they start killing people, we will be angry at the manufacturers (well, except that there are cases of people being killed by autonomous cars nowadays, and PR is very good at pointing that "they just didn't use it properly"). But if people continue to use autonomous cars despite knowing the risks, you'd consider these dangerous people who don't care about others. And the problem with augments is that, well, you had parts of your body removed. Sure you can opt to get it surgically removed, but what do you do when you end up a human trunk because your arms and legs were augmented? So it's not easy as just "stop driving an autonomous car". Plus, there would be a general anger towards augmented people. Even de-augmented people would face backlash for even having been augmented in the first place. So, I can't really agree with your assertion of this game. To me, it's all pretty logical.

[@KrutoiPersonazh]

Anyway Deus Ex is MUCH more RPG than cyberpunk 2077..

[@justiziabelle]

many manual labourers (construction workers and so on) were basically forced to get augmented by their employers to not lose their jobs. those weren't the fortunate rich of society. their augmentations basically only serving to make them more efficient at their respective job, but not beyond that. masses of people were economically coerced to get augmented to make corporations richer and to make those people more dependent on the corporations. as for why many people aren't railing against those corporations, well, clearly they did in human revolution and there are still such sentiments among people in mankind divided, but never underestimate the propagandistic power of huge corporations (i.e. the capitalist class), especially since they control the media, to exploit the fear of the other to their own benefit.